why is the MP5 so expensive? it’s a tiny submachine gun, and you can’t even buy the full auto version. what’s the point when ARs and AKs are multitudes cheaper? I don’t get it
Preparedness & self-sufficiency community
why is the MP5 so expensive? it’s a tiny submachine gun, and you can’t even buy the full auto version. what’s the point when ARs and AKs are multitudes cheaper? I don’t get it
supply and demand retard. It is an icon in addition to simply being a masterful work of art and craftsmanship.
Now THIS is shilling!
but you could say that about any gun, that doesn’t make it true. why is a MP5 superior to an AK or AR, other than some weird icon cope meme fags come up with to justify their purchases?
double replying, mad? Yea, that is true of everything, thats how a market economy works gay, I answered OPs question as written. OP wrote asking why it costs what is does, not why people are willing to pay said cost. You need to work on reading comprehension and OP needs to work on question formulation, fuck both you welfare consuming brainlet moron retards
lmao cope harder you filthy moron, H&K is laughing their way to the bank as retards like you fork over $3k for a semiautomatic MP5
>but…but it’s an ICON okay?!?! that’s what EVERY normalfag told me
>I totally didn’t get cucked by a company that gives zero fucks about anything other than their military contracts
I revel in your tears of anger you pathetic gay. cry harder
nobody actually buys the HK version, you dumb retard basedposter
>shilling for a company you can't even afford to purchase from
Capitalism was a mistake.
basedposter? what the fuck is that?
ohh. I get it.
>he doesn’t know PrepHole doesn’t let you type the s word
lurk moar you pathetic filthy gay. or go back to sodomizing your asshole with your fake MP5’s barrel, doesn’t matter to me. Redditors aren’t allowed on my board
never owned anthing h&k, kys
why are poor people always so bitter
The eternal PrepHole sour grapes. They can't have it, so they'll scream at the top of their lungs that it must be shit. It's why this board, as much as I love it, will always suck. It's infested with poverty stricken peasants.
you’re the definition of a cuck, heckler and koch does zero marketing solely because people like you will just do it for them for free
word of mouth is the best form of advertisement you can have
look at these triggered brand morons, just accept that H&K gives zero shits about you and that you have a humiliation fetish by throwing $3k on a SP5 that ISN’T EVEN THE REAL THING LMAO. cope and seethe, fags
I wouldn't call the SP5 shit. It's just antiquated and SP5 owners can't pull their heads out of their ass for two seconds to accept it.
Somebody once said that there's no such thing as a bad product, just a bad price point. The SP5 has a really bad price point since it's less authentic than turkshit clones that cost half as much and not as nice as a comparably-priced boutique clone like a Dakota Tactical—unless you believe that HK has some secret sauce that makes their guns unique in the market somehow, you're literally just paying for the HK rollmark (which isn't even on the correct side of the receiver)
Yeah the SP5 pricepoint is nothing short of laughable. The HK rollmark is even more subdued considering it's overshadowed by that glaring "READ MANUAL BEFORE USE" engraving on the magwell.
>Heckler and Koch does zero marketing solely because people like you will just do it for them for free
Literally the best form of advertisement is no advertisement. What's the problem here.
you are projecting you pathetic cucklord did it not occur to your retarded brain that maybe he just likes the fucking gun?
anyone who buys a HK MP5 without a select fire option is a chud and deserves to get cucked. Yes, that includes you gay.
>NOOOOOO you are not allowed to tell people you like a gun unless BRAND® pays for marketing REEEEEE
A stamped sheet metal, spot-welded, work of art..
The stampings are intricate, and don't have much margin of error. Particularly the locking shoulders, if they aren't to spec then you either have a direct blowback gun or a paperweight.
tooling costs. stamping is cheap to run, but fucking expensive to start.
>why is the mp5 so expensive
i bought mine for 1k, thats cheaper than most imported full size AK style rifles
I could buy two of these for the price of one B&T APC9 or a Sig MPX
other similarly priced weapons would be something cringe like a cheap parted out AR9 or a PSA JAKL, or a fucking CZ scorpion EVO
For a 9mm PCC its at a perfect price
>brace is a felony now
>still hasn’t dropped a stock on it
Come on anon wtf
stocks are 300 dollars and dont do anything better than this brace so fuck you too, fag
Fucking poorfags. I swear to God.
You can get a B&T UMP style stock for like 120, that is a direct replacement for the brace you have on it currently, and is much better at being a stock than a brace ever could be.
>stocks are 300 dollars
Did you even try to look? Even then, $300 is nothing.
>and dont do anything better than this brace
They don't look like complete shit for starters.
I could sympathize with bracefags for the law aspect of the matter but now that that's gone all I feel like doing is mocking.
whats the point of this gun when you can just use a 12 gauge with buckshot?
submachine guns with pistol rounds are retarded
>submachine guns with pistol rounds are retarded
The only thing retarded here is you, noguns.
Something something 1989
Try being older and knowing things
They stopped making them anon. Clones are cheap but actual HK MP5's were solely for military and police purchases and making a line for some autists isn't profitable unless you jack the price through the roof.
>you can’t even buy the full auto version
You don't understand firearms law. A lot of people get filtered from full auto ownership because they just don't know how the system works.
A lot of people get filtered from Full-auto firearm ownership because it costs fucking $30k
Shilling aside people pay more for a brand than the product. H&K is le ebin German space gun manufacturer and have made le ebin SAS guns for the better part of 50 years.
Same way people pay retarded amounts for AR companies full builds instead of spending way less to build their own that functions either at the same level or higher than some top market manufacturers. It's all about the logo - just look at the poors in black neighborhoods and their clothes/cars
>Shilling aside people pay more for a brand than the product. H&K is le ebin German space gun manufacturer and have made le ebin SAS guns for the better part of 50 years.
Did you have a stroke typing this? I understand you hate what in your eyes are "ebin redditors" or whatever but you don't have to be so full of hatred all the time. Some people just want it because that's what they used in a videogame 10 years ago.
No so much having a stroke but you can't discredit that a lot of public adoration for H&K comes from their extensive military contracts and them surfacing in many games and movies. Part of their expensive pricetag boils down to branding, as the above mentioned enforces their "quality German manufacturing/engineering"
Without full auto, there is no practical point to owning one of these. People buy the gimped version because they're cool and they remember them from vidya. The entire PCC class of firearms was designed as a cope because we can't get real submachine guns. Prices are high because they're expensive to build well and there isn't much market for a semi-auto only version. If the NFA ever gets overturned it's one of the first things I'm getting
>If the NFA ever gets overturned it's one of the first things I'm getting
The dollar itself will collapse and the US balkanize before the fed lets the goyim have actual small arms again.
I shot a friend's MP5 suppressed with a binary trigger pack and subsonic ammo.
It honestly made me consider selling a bunch of shit to immediately go out and buy an exact clone.
It was the coolest fucking thing.
>I shot a friend's MP5 suppressed with a binary trigger pack and subsonic ammo.
>It honestly made me consider selling a bunch of shit to immediately go out and buy an exact clone.
>It was the coolest fucking thing
Its cool in an AR15 too, with either 5.56 or .22lr.
The same thing can be said for the AR15, or any weapon chambered in 5.56 as the round was designed to be controllable under full-auto, not a one shot drop. SEALs are taught to fire in 5 round bursts to make sure the target is taken down.
Because you suck and we hate you.
look at you OP. a piece of shit poorfag civilian who doesn't even load his mags backwards.
>$3000 for a gun the SIG MCX Rattler has all but fully replaced
If you're the type of person who wipes their ass with $3000, then sure, I get it; it's a toy to you. But for most people who would need to save to get one, why not just buy a modern, better PCC for 50%-65% the cost? Or a SBR for that matter?
As far as SMGs go, the MP5 is a bit more complex than a run of the mill stamped steel open bolt direct blowback UZI or MAC-10. Because it uses roller delay the trunnion and roller assembly need to be made to pretty exacting specs and the trigger assembly is a bit more sophisticated. That said they aren't that expensive or hard to make (just not as simple as an open bolt pipe gun) and production was licensed to multiple other countries by HK. Besides which any patents on it are long dead so anyone who has the tools and knowledge can freely make them now.
On the civilian market here in the US, the receiver and trigger assemblies have to be different in order to not permit the installation of select fire trigger packs. The civilian guns can use some original MP5 parts but they need a dedicated production line with unique tooling and setup, which adds cost.
Add to it HK in general getting cucked by US import regs and then getting an attitude that we're not worthy of their guns anyway and when they do sell a civilian version of one of their long guns it's always low volume and exorbitantly expensive. They can get away with it too because they have fanboys and collectors with deep pockets who will pay whatever they ask, so there's no incentive to sell anything cheap. They do sell less overpriced pistols though.
Can't get a real G-36, so an SL-8 is the best you can do.
Can't get a real UMP, you overpay for a USC.
Can't get a real MP-5? Guess you're buying a $3000 PCC.
Now the obvious question is why are Turkish or PTR clones also expensive? HK and import/export fuckery set the precedent that even as a pistol or PCC an MP5 clone here in the US is a premium unicorn tier expensive collector gun. Anyone else cashing in is going to charge a slightly lower premium, but still a premium. They sell as many as they can make at the $1000+ price point so why change less.
Want a cheaper PCC? Buy a Ruger or a Kel-Tec, but it won't look or feel like an MP5.
I don't even think the Turk, Paki and PTR versions are particularly expensive, it's just that AR-15s are very inexpensive now because the production techniques favor small to medium sized precision manufacturers. Like the cost of an MP5 is broadly in like with most other stamped firearms because stamping requires a pretty hefty amount of physical capital to do economically. AKs were inexpensive when they could be made with surplus eastern bloc parts but now that they can't, they aren't.
H&K still charges whatever they want because they can't get them out the door fast enough to keep pace with demand.
>only person in this whole fucking thread who actually answered the question
>it's a trip
I guess you're alright
It's an H&K which means that it is inherently overpriced.
It's also probably overengineered.
An MP5 is probably not the most complicated SMG ever made, but it you don't understand simplicity until you have looked inside an open bolt F/A only SMG. There is so little going on inside that it suddenly makes sense why people have made them in garages and basements out of plumbing pipe.
Every time I shoot a 9mm SMG/PCC its a total joke compared to the MP5. AK9, Vector, any 9mm AR, Scorpion, Flux Raider, its surprising how many people have this type of gun and think its great so they offer to let me shoot it. And every time its a tremendous disappointment. The roller delay system is fucking stupid for rifles and the 223/308 guns shouldn't even exist, but its wonderful for 9mm.
>The roller delay system is fucking stupid for rifles and the 223/308 guns shouldn't even exist, but its wonderful for 9mm.
As much as I hate to admit it, you're probably right.
I was kinda blown away with how shit my HK53 was.
Yeah my 93 is garbage. I went on a big roller gun kick after falling so in love with my MP5s and it's the least impressive out of all of them. Big and heavy for a 5.56, and pretty unreliable to boot. The PTR-91 is actually alright in some aspects, as it is reliable, not too heavy for a .308, and surprisingly accurate. The manual of arms is the worst for the 91 and the charging handle sucks absolute donkey balls.
i built a 53 with a friend off the brand new LSC/PTR/whoever flats and it was a nightmare. Nothing made sense, nothing worked right. the magwell is so flimsy and floppy and the location of the mag catch was ??? Every time i leave the tried and true mp5 9mm formula its a mess. the mp5/10 i built was ok but a lot of the stuff and parts were questionable.
I like the '93/'33 for its looks, but as has been said it seems RDB just doesn't jive if it's not in an MG42 or a pistol-caliber weapon.
The '53, however, is just utter misery.
What's the intended use of the backwards hook thing on the MP5's magwell and the 5.56's handguard?
it's expensive because in it's 60 years of service, there hasn't been a single gun that outright beats it. there are sidegrades and guns that do some things better while doing others worse, but there is nothing that tops it. MP5s still make a large percentage of HK's annual income.
Take a black paint marker to your NFA info, wipe off the excess, and viola! no more needing to do a ugly MSpaint scribble to blur it out.
I use black gaffer tape, works well and doesn't leave residue. It works for grip tape as well.
Lol. Lmao even. The MP5 is being phased out for .300 BLACKED SBRs like the Rattler. The MP5 became obsolete the moment some engineer realized you can take a short-stroke rifle and give it an 8in barrel (ie. 20 years ago). I commend your cope, but your Hollywood gun is effectively dead l.
Yeah cool I still enjoy the shit out of it. Feel free to post your Rattler. You do have one, right?
Still waiting to see your HK brand SP5.
I don't have an SP5. I bought an APC9, since I'm a B&T brand whore, and I like common controls between my main guns.
>Bought an overpriced hipoint
Maybe one day you'll be able to afford the shit you want and will stop being so bitter.
I can afford what I want. Which isn't a 60yo carbine chambered in 9mm. You really need to stop riding the copercoaster whenever someone points out your gimped Hollywood gun that can't even accept a ln auto sear is 20 years out of date. Cry.
Ah, the guy who makes purchases based exclusively on aesthetics has arrived. I'm sure your 6909 is having fun collecting dust.
It's not when it's seeing use in actual battlefields. And the Rattler is just my prime example becuase it's the hottest .300 Blackout platform at the moment. Nearly every AR manufacturer with a military contract has a .300 Blackout rifle in their catalog.
Just goes to show you don’t understand sovl. Is in no way just about aesthetics. The AK series are a joy to look at, work on, build, and most importantly, shoot.
>The MP5 became obsolete the moment some engineer realized you can take a short-stroke rifle and give it an 8in barrel
moron do you think the SBR was invented by SIG?
>the moment some engineer realized you can take a short-stroke rifle and give it an 8in barrel (ie. 20 years ago).
Glad to see this board still can't read, God Bless.
You should actually research what special forces units and anti-terrorism/hostage rescue are actually adopting instead of referencing the latest Warzone meta build for your gun knowledge.
>You should actually research what special forces units and anti-terrorism/hostage rescue are actually adopting instead of referencing the latest Warzone meta build for your gun knowledge.
wow you got me it's definitely not a meme round at all.
>definitely not a meme round at all.
Supersonic sig 125 grain 300 blackout out of a ten inch barrel yields 2150 fps as per.
7.62x39 golden tiger 125 grain out of a yugo m92 with a ten inch barrel yields 2200.
Is 7.62x39 a meme caliber anon?
AK ammo is cheaper, and the gun has actual soul compared to some fag rattler.
>AK ammo is cheaper
Have you SEEN what golden tiger goes for now anon?
It's the best one so of course it's going to be a little more but the gap isn't what it used to be.
I even saw federal m193 for cheaper than x39 now.
Shit is wack.
>The MP5 is being phased out for .300 BLACKED SBRs like the Rattler.
lol, the mp5 was effectively phased out 20yrs ago when the gwot kicked off and the mk18 came out. Rattler is nothing new, and no it isn’t.
yeah man this is definitely the yeah that .300 blackout becomes a thing and not just a meme round.
Never mind the last ten or twelve years people have said that shit, this is the year!!
I don't get the rationale behind outing yourself like this...attention?
This post is delusional, any modern day roller delayed SMG (Ep9, SP9A3, etc) beats the MP5 for the sole reason they don't have to pull the terribly placed charging handle back to reload. Not to mention the terrible magwell on the MP5, shit stock fire selector, and the lack of proper integrated rails. The Mp5 is a total dinosaur, and has been for decades.
>waahh, muh reloads
Unironic skill issue.
literal skill issue
>shit stock fire selector
SP5 has a stock extended fire selector. non issue
referencing a post with an optic, IR laser and foregrip
yeah, the MP5 is old but that doesn't mean it can't keep up.
I don't think having normal-sized hands that can't reach the mag release button is technically a skill issue. Impressive reload, though.
here's proper a HK SOP reload. please ignore the beard. sure, it's not USPSA race gun fast but it's disingenuous to act like MP5s are akin to reloading a musket
thumbing it down out of the hold-open notch is faster and works just as well, sorry
I've rarely seen a post so deserving of a "git gud" reply.
>all the cope replies
laffed. MP5 ergos are shit and everyone is coping.
Don't drop your mags, fag
seethe morons. enjoy your 8lb 9mm and charging handle that takes up half of the railspace.
mp5 is just aesthetics chasing. get a banshee or stribog.
>t. can't afford any of the options, and owns no PCCs
>t. Real man who has used all the market PCCs, and owned more than needed
>you will never have last round bolt hold open
>you will never mount optics properly (forced to use a claw or heavy welded on bullshit)
>you will never have full ambi controls or change charging handle
>you will never mount force-multiplying devices (charging handle blocks it)
>you will never not weigh 8+ lbs
>you WILL be forced to choose between cucked overpriced H&K and turkroach guns
>you WILL justify all of this by clinging to the past and SOVLposting
it's OK to like the MP5. It's not OK to pretend it's the best in current year.
>you will never have full auto
>you will never have less recoil than an mp5
>you will never be as reliable as an mp5
>you will have to mess with your gun out of the box to get it to cycle
do you own a full auto mp5?
owns a glawk mag'd stribog and posts like a fucking redditor, pottery
Awful strange, confirmed she eats soft armor, confirmed she has a flashlight, confirmed I can lift 8lbs (lmao lift more gay), and confirmed that everyone always wants to shoot it and always smiles and looks shocked at how easy it is to ring gongs. Next you're going to post some cope about how you need a uniform control layout, no bolt hold open will get me killed, and oh yeah something about optics, something about you loving cock.
Your gun goes click, you pull the charging handle back, you check your window in the same movement, you see that your mag is empty, you change your mag and you slap the handle.
It's so easy because your reload is literally the same drill as all jam cleaning drills.
The MP5 just needs some training but it's excellent.
The only downside to the MP5 and the reason why most LEOs are replacing it is that it shoots lmao 9mm.
Not having LRBHO because you're going to inspect the chamber to diagnose the "malfunction" anyway is the one of the most Teutonically autistic things I've ever heard, but there is a certain bent logic to it.
Do you even have a PCC or are you just being annoying?
pretty sure he's just retarded, acting like a claw mount isn't fine for optics or that you can't mount a light or laser to an mp5 reeks of a pseud trying to cope with his financial straits
yes i own a stribog sp9a3g. the roller delayed one that takes glock mags.
>i--i-iit's fine i s-s-swear!!
solid cope friend. you can stick with your cold war technology if you want to. i dont care. I only care when mp5 fags relentlessly shill it to newfags while also glossing over all of the mp5's downsides.
explain how it's not fine
i just did, gay. you are missing out on many great features.
>inb4 "it's still fine, it goes bang"
by your logic a hi-point carbine is "fine" too.
I own the pcc with a reversable non reciprocating charging handle, full mlok and optics stack, with a magazine that is not only compatible with my pistols, but is also more proven than mp5 magazines. plus last round bolt open and ambi controls.
cope and fake news. suck my dick MP5 SOVL fags.
>a magazine that is not only compatible with my pistols, but is also more proven than mp5 magazines
Holy fucking shit you're genuinely stupid
there are way more glock mags than mp5 mags in the world. And more glock mags in use by LEO/MIL
The MP5 magazine is quite possibly the best SMG mag ever made, but since you're moronic enough to slave yourself to a double stack single feed pistol mag for your PCC I don't expect you to comprehend that
im just happy i dont have to "slave myself" into owning yet another type of magazine. I already have about 15 types of magazines in my fucking house.
none of you own a real SMG, get off my balls
so you're too broke to own more mags?
it's more of space/organizational issue. and cleaning too. i have all the tools to support glock mags logistically, including takedown tools, cleaning brushes, spare springs, etc.
so you can't keep gun mags organized and you...clean them? like, you fucking clean your magazines? are you autistic?
you either dont shoot enough or dont own a suppressor
glock mags.... explode? really? huh weird, i guess we should notify all law enforcement around the country.
my dude i think you're just stupid, no one cleans their fucking glock magazines holy shit
>you either dont shoot enough or dont own a suppressor
Bud your abortion in
is fucking spotless, don't even try to front.
Do you think LEOs use 33 round magazines in their handguns you neanderthal?
Why the actual fuck do you need specialized tools to clean and take apart your Glock magazines? How often are you cleaning them? I don't know how many tens of thousands of rounds my Glock and MP5 mags have shat out into chambers over the years but not once have I ever cleaned them and even if I did I wouldn't need to use implements I couldn't interchange between them.
they get really dirty on the inside when you shoot them suppressed. this is true of any magazine. after awhile lubricants from the host weapon get in there as well, mags are supposed to be dry. i dont clean my mags often, maybe every 1000 rounds or so when the follower gets fucking filthy.
i could be a nogunz euro fag and still be objectively correct about what i said about the mp5. that said i have about 2k rounds through my bog suppressed and unsuppressed
>they get really dirty on the inside when you shoot them suppressed.
And they still would require an obscene amount of round count before having reliability impacted because of how much clearance there is. Lubricants? A complete nonissue, my OKAY mags in my ARs soak up lubricant while shooting suppressed so much that there's black runoff streaks, with absolutely zero impact. That probably actually *helps* with shooting while suppressed.
>i dont clean my mags often, maybe every 1000 rounds or so
What the fuck dude, that is so hilariously unnecessary it hurts.
>that said i have about 2k rounds through my bog
B R U H
>calls me wrong
>posts his hilariously clean glock
you should be cleaning your mags once a year if you shoot suppressed in any reasonable volume. take them apart in hot soapy water, scrub, rinse, dry.
i shouldnt need to tell you this, i thought tripfags were all giga knowledgeable
his hilariously clean glock
Anon, let me make something clear to you. My Glock's *brake* alone, which was only installed last year, has had more than three times your Stribog's round count put through it
>i dont clean my mags often, maybe every 1000 rounds or so
So you're doing that every thousand rounds total or are you actually keeping track of each mag's round count? Big ol' X.
ok thats fine, dont act like your e-dick is so much bigger than mine, i've been shooting with glock mags for decades. my stribog is relatively new, yes.
you are supposed to clean mags every once and awhile, i like once a year. does this seem like a controversial or unusual opinion to you? i shoot filthy ammo that has tons of that filler crap in it.
glock mag disassembly tool? try google. ive tried using punches but it doesnt work that well. regardless idont want more types of mags. hard pass
> regardless idont want more types of mags
Why? They just sit in wherever you store them. What's the problem?
>glock mag disassembly tool
>ive tried using punches but it doesnt work that wel
FFS this is just sad now.
>What's the problem?
He fell for the mag commonality meme, blew his cash on the Glock mag Stribog, and can't go back.
That's the problem.
you've been shooting with glock magazines for decades and you can't take them apart without a snake oil tool?
nah you cant convince me, morons. not about the stribog thing (idc about that).. the glock mag thing
i sat there and fucked with one of the newer gen 5 mags and punch for like an hour, it was a serious pain the dick. after a long time the floorplate gets a pretty serious friction fit. i use pic rel
smack it against a cutting board. dont do it on a dresser or table you care about
>mummy the mean glock mag is too haarrrddd, that's why my widdle hands need a whole new tool and why I won't get demonstrably better mags for my ratfucked PCC build
Got it, you're inept and a pussy who talks a big game.
you try it then, tough guy
People who shoot more than you are telling you you don't need to and in the same post you admit to needing a specialized tool just to take apart a fucking pistol mag, this shit is just too much
it seems silly, but let me assure you, it's a pain in the ass to dissemble
what shocks me is you guys dont clean your mags. please guys.... if you have 5+ year old mags and you shoot a lot: clean them!!! i dont care if you think im retarded, you can discard my other opinions, but please heed this one and clean them.
>tl;dr wash your penis
I'll second cleaning your mags. Surplus and used mags should be cleaned before use.
Absolutely, and this holds true the more a mag is aged. Cleaning your new fab'd mags after 1000 rounds? Nah.
>you should be cleaning your mags once a year if you shoot suppressed in any reasonable volume.
Literally shoot comps with a can more often than not and I've never done this. No one else does this either.
lol moron that is a casual hour for my MP5. Shoot moar
You're dodging the question about the tools. What tools do you need to clean glock magz that you can't clean other mags with?
> i have all the tools to support glock mags logistically
....A punch for the floorplate detent and an oily rag to run through the body once or twice?
>I already have about 15 types of magazines in my fucking house.
So? Do you take all of your guns with you on range trips? Do you have trouble discerning magazines apart?
>I already have about 15 types of magazines in my fucking house.
Yeah me too, I'm still not gimping myself with pistol mags that are a pain in the dick to load, feed less reliably, and explode if you drop them when fully loaded onto a hard surface. You spend as much on a OEM Glock mag that's actually suited for PCC use as you would a KCI MP5 mag that is going to be less bulky, easier to load, and more appropriate for the weapon it's in.
>magazine that is not only compatible with my pistols
Another poor soul falls for the meme.
So let me get this straight, you own the Payless MP5 PCC that can't go a couple rounds without a misfeed, and you unironically use Glock mags in it. And you still think you can act superior to anyone.
>i own a stribog takes glock mags.
He's probably retarded and likely poor.
>takes glock mags.
Scratch that, he's certified retarded.
what t2 mount is that
brave of you to accuse others of coping
Why would you post that pic?
I often wonder how many MP5, particularly SP5, owners will experience an extractor spring going, or have to replace a roller retaining plate.
Over 20k down the pipe on each of my Turks, one got broken in the other eat 115gr from day 1. Each have done thousands of rounds without malfunction. Worst malfunction experienced was a double feed and required a total break down to free the parts. Extractor spring shit is for weaklings.
I'm more talking about shooting to the extent that those parts would need replacing. I've gone through two extractor springs (switched to steel) and a retainer plate over the 4 years I've been shooting the absolute piss out mine.
Odd my two have gotten a lot of love, but nothing yet. They are notoriously reliable though.
It's only 1k and it's well made, thats what well made stuff costs. But some cheap loose stampings shit of a factory line that only 1 in a 1000 units are inspected if you are poor, no shame in that 99% of the world is poor
Should I just get the roach clone? They aren't exactly the most industrious people.
You are always rolling dice with Turk guns to some extent, but they are definitely capable of making a good product and only a relatively small number of the bigger/better quality manufacturers in Turkey are allowed to make anything other than shotguns. Their gun laws are very favorable towards shotguns and restrictive about everything else.
I'd go for it, but I'm a cheapskate and I take ill-advised risks with cheap sketchy guns which gives me some mixed results.
My $500 M4 copycat is still running like a champ though so it's definitely not all bad.
That is true, stamped guns get cheap when you're making them in the millions of units and civilian production is typically not that. Nowadays CNC made guns that can have their production scaled up or down to meet demand and have parts outsourced to a wide range of subcontractors end up being cheaper.
The same reason a Gucci bags and Maseratis cost more than the sum of their parts. HK is a luxury brand that gets by on reputation and slightly above average quality.
$1k isn't that much especially when inflation is at like 16%
If you're asking why HK wants almost $4k, that's because HK is full of garden gnomes.
>If you're asking why HK wants almost $4k, that's because HK is full of garden gnomes.
1. Not that expensive, try getting into cars or an actual expensive hobby.
2. Stop slandering a white and Germanic company just because you’re a poorfag who has never achieved anything, you bitter little cunt.
>retard actually thinks he’s white.
Your poor inbred middle america genes barely pass for white, despite what bs claim about “muh heritage” you fucking make you tourist.
Don’t have a higher education?
Aren’t a business or land owner?
Don’t have investments?
Not a family man?
Not making at least a low six figure?
Not involved in your community to some extent?
Whine online about nice things you can’t afford?
News flash then, gay, YOU are the morons.
Because H&K makes only so many and it's an iconic gun that's actually pretty fun to shoot, so people with the money will shell it out.
>le white and germanic company
They’re run by fucking retards who skipped business class and need their employees to work for free every now and then to keep the business afloat. Honestly, selling $3k SP5s on machinery thats been paid off for decades is a wet dream - how do they fuck that up? Super special Teutonic magic - that 417 is $7k! Lmfao
SBR is better for room clearing because if you run out of flashbangs you can just use the muzzle blast instead.
>Not that expensive, try getting into cars
>full working M119 mercedes v8 on ~~*ebay*~~ is $2600
You sound more bitter than anyone else in the thread, tbh.
You have my pity.
>1. Not that expensive, try getting into cars or an actual expensive hobby.
Not that expensive, try getting into private jets an actual expensive hobby
Try getting into yacht collecting an actual expensive hobby.
Try getting into human sex slaves while living on a private island and entertaining foreign dignitaries and blackmailing everyone into your satanic cult an actual expensive hobby.
because it's better. that's an objective fact. if it weren't then we'd see more of the UMP, but all that gets is screentime because it's just not as good.
and there's reason also a reason why everyone mostly buys from HK instead of going for cheaper copies, the same reason as the UMP: they just aren't good enough.
You can get a clone for like $1k, stop being poor
show me right now
MKE AP5 series. They have been around $1k for over 6 months now. You are a fucking retard if you like fun and don’t have one.
OP I hate fags like you. Nobody cares if they are “outclassed” by some 300 BO ar15 homogat. The Mp5 is cool and really fun to shoot. That’s literally all that matters.
Century Arms started selling the MKE-made AP5 for $1k last year, and since then the POF-made version has been reduced to $1k too.
OP is being dumb, I won't tell him why.
To OPs direct point of the AK and AR being so much cheaper:
i have a $6k meta gun 11.5 AR. I built it right when ammo started going up in march 2020, so its got less than 1500 rounds (excluding 3500 rounds of sims) through it. I never shoot that bitch, can't stand paying 45c for ammo that used to be 25. But my home rolled MP5 clone (same invested cost as a turk/paki one) gets thousands of rounds a year because 9mm is 21c and lets me do carbine shooting on the cheap. 300 blackout guns are even worse. I know dozens of people with rattlers and none are shooting multiple mags a week through them because its prohibitive. Certainly those are better for Professional End Users tm and thats why every big budget unit uses short SBRs now, but the generic MP5 family is a fantastic practical range toy that you can afford to shoot and wont let you down. If you pay $3500 for an HK marked one because you love gucci rollmarks, more power to you, but that doesnt factor in to the equation for what the type is 'worth'.
>spend 6k on gun
>don't shoot it
man you "people" disgust me
idk 5000 rounds in under 3 years is beating the average here by a lot. i just got sick of M193 prices when i bought it on arfcom for 70c summer of 2020 and can't bring myself to exhaust my supply and have to buy more.
Each of my MP5 clones had well over 10k down the pipe in less than a year. It's because none of the meta fags shoot, but will cry all day about how their doll clothes look pretty.
It varies in price depending on how big your balls are , 4000-5000 if your a chad and wanna build it on your own , 40-50k if your a rich guy
>"stamped = cheap" is bullshit, it only works when you stamp out 40 million of them in a Chink-tier industrial city dedicated to making said gun like the russians did, a non vatmoron AK made with shitty american union hands costs like 3 PSA AR-15s
>roller locked is inherently more particularly in design with material spec and dimensions, an mp5/G3/91 bolt head costs more than a chrome lined M16 BCG and bolt, and an m16 bolt assembly/carrier is pretty fucking eleborate compared to an AK
>most are new production, the ones that arent, are literal collectors items with HK tax tacked on top
>there is no giant surplus of them, unsellable collecting dust for 20 years and then sky rocketing in price magically like other shitty milsurp (though technically a $50 sks in the 80s is $450 with inflation)
>its effectively a dead platform, its been outdated since GWOT, nobody is wasting money on a huge government contract for these things to knock prices down
Fucking stupid funny little ignorant idiot. You have never built an ar and have most definitley rver built anything that required actual headspacing to prevent an out of battery of explosion that could maim the user or welded anything. Shut the fuck up you stupid loser educate yourself on fabrication in general google exists and fuck off far away and be an idiot on reddit you hugbox needing negative iq imbecile.
German shit is expensive.
Because it's now so iconic people will still pay for it, even though it's outdated. I have one, and I paid $2,700 for it, but I'm rich.
It's a high-end toy for sure. Outdated, and could be made better for cheaper if H&k cared, but they don't. The main reason, and I'm saying this because I was in your camp before I shot one, is how nice the recoil pulse and action is on this thing. It's buttery smooth. 9mm gives a little pop, 3 points of contact, no muzzle rise, little soft kick... It's unique and = fun. All the other downsides melt away when shooting a few rounds. I can't wait to get a silencer on it because I'm sure it's even better, and then you have FA versions...
>what’s the point when ARs and AKs are multitudes cheaper? I don’t get it
there is none
the mp5 is good for controllable full auto with a small cartridge it doesnt make any sense for anyone but swat teams
>Too poor to afford both
you pay my salary
why are you poor?
Yeah that's usually what you do with hobbies you dweeb
They don't want you to have it
>what's the point
None, unless you're a larping retard pretending to be an operator. Admittedly it's a better case for 'muh carbine though' than most fake larper SMGs.
Made an offset tube today to make a surefire + Modlite head clear a 1.25" can. I was halfway into the project when i was given the KAC handguard, so this will never get used and I sold it 15 minutes after painting it. I'm going back to TLR-VIR2.
How much for one?
200 painted and shipped for the adapter body, unless I end up making a batch. That might happen, and I could get them down much cheaper (and hard anodize). [email protected]
The legit HKs are because HK. The domestic ones like PTR or cheap turkish ones are probably as cheap as is viable.
Everyone knows historically stamping was a cost cutting cheap manufacturing method, but today it's actually very expensive and complicated in comparison to just a computer controlled milling machine and polymer molds pumping out parts.
The secret is to have man hands.
how long did it take tho
for some reason mine were like cold fused together, even tapping it with a flathead and hammer didnt free it and started to marr it
20 seconds? Just have to squeeze and pull.
Look man you want me to do more than one? Hold on.
Probably the last thing you want to hear but he's a 60 something furfag and still managing to do that
lmao wrecked. Stribog gay confirmed for baby fingers.
A 53 at least seems a little more sensible than a 33, but I agree the magic really is in the 9mm MP5. God it's a nice gun to shoot.
Muh SAS used them
MP5s shoot better than most other sub guns and they are cool.
That's reason enough to own one. Nobody buys one to be a serious tool. They buy them because they are toys. Anyone who is using a PCC for serious work when 300blk ARs exist is an idiot.
It looks cool
>why is the MP5 so expensive?