Why is having 6 rockets instead of 12 considered an improvement?

Why is having 6 rockets instead of 12 considered an improvement?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Weighs 20,000lbs less and has far higher road mobility and ease of maintenance

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't need tracks/tank transporters, more fuel efficient, moves faster to avoid counterbattery fire, and can be carried by more aircraft.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This thing can launch and move instead of staying stationary. Retaliatory artillery will arrive minutes after they've de-assed the area. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize how pissed the enemy will get. Demotivation in the ranks + dead ruskies or traumatic brain injuries abound. Good times will be had.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    2 vehicles instead of 1 also means you only lose 50% of your firepower if one them breaks down

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Mobility, you can set up, shoot, and leave before counter battery.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It isn't. It's a sacrifice they made to render it operationally mobile and air-transportable. The USA is building a two-pod unmanned version while SK has a two-pod 8x8.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    M270 was designed around unguided rockets with a significantly larger CEP so needed twice as many to render the same effect on target

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      pretty sure M270 and HIMARS have the same launchers and can use the same rockets
      HIMARS is just half the number of rockets

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        M270 was designed long before the improved rockets it can use today.
        The rockets were made backwards compatible to keep things simple.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure M270 is also much older sister that did not have more modern rockets when it was taken into service.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure M270 is also much older sister that did not have more modern rockets when it was taken into service.

        Most M270s were upgraded to fire them decades ago tho.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't change the fact they're a legacy system that was designed around the unguided rocket and early ATACMS blocks

          GMLRS upgrade is an enhancement to the M270 but most platforms designed after GMLRS such as HIMARS, WR-300 Homar , LIMAWS(R) etc. are single-pod launchers.
          An exception is Worst Korea's K239 Chunmoo/K-MLRS system

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    thoughts?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fund it!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think that is a waste of a good chassis.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think that is a waste of a good chassis.

      This. Rocket artillery doesn't need to get close to fight (any more), it doesn't need armor or much offroad capabilities.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    what are the handlebars above the pods for ?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Reloading.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >1969+53
    >not counterbatterying an entire theater in one go
    ngmi

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      christ it's real? I thought it was one of those chinese meme 3d animations

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Arabs buy all kinds of stupid shot of it looks cool when shooting.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's a UAE Army-specific thing; they have a tiny manpower pool so they wanted to condense a 30-person BM-21 Grad battery to a 3-man truck. The UAE doesn't do much expeditionary stuff overseas so it doesn't have to be airmobile, which opens up a lot of interesting design possibilities.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      A weapon to surpass metal gear

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that this is extremely impressive unfortunately doesn't make it any less of a bad idea.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think they had to cut the number of rockets on HIMARS because it's a wheeled vehicle.
    Since both platforms can use a variety of rockets/missiles the debate is on cost, protection, deployment time and speed on x terrain.
    Personally I would put my money on MLRS which happens to be the system my country has.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i've heard m270 is an absolute shitshow in terms of maintenance

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >i've heard m270 is an absolute shitshow in terms of maintenance
      yeah and every other tracked vehicle in existence

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >i've heard m270 is an absolute shitshow in terms of maintenance
      Maintenance problems aren't a straightforward thing.
      As an example Finland and Norway both ordered the NH-90 transport helicopter.
      Both nations had issues with it from the start but Finland managed to fix things and turn NH-90 into a reliable helicopter whereas Norway had to ditch the whole program and buy UH-60 to replace every single helicopter.
      Granted the NH-90 helicopters weren't exactly the same models but still.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You mean Finland and Sweden?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Norway bought them too for anti submarine role. Now they demand their money back because they still aren't ready and the ASW weapons they were supposed to use are outdated and not produced anymore.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, but the post was talking about troop transports and Uh-60, which is the swedish clusterfrick. The Norwegian NH90-program is a completely different shitshow that we spent waaay to much time trying to fix

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Far as I remember i think i read that Norway is considering renting blackhawks to fill the gap until they choose a new copter. Unless they somehow get a major price reduction in current farce.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                We have the Bell 412 for Army-needs, the NH is for Navy. There has been some talk of leasing the SeaHawk, but nothing concrete yet. But the SH60 has been floated as a solution for like 10 years now, we should just do a FMS and get it over with

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >You mean Finland and Sweden?
          Ah yes! Quite right.
          But Norway too seems to have the same problems with Sweden and they are looking for an alternative.
          Curious.... why do Sweden and Norway have so much trouble with NH90 while Finland doesn't?

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's incredibly fast in terms of shooting and then being somewhere else.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Himars wienerpit is so fricking ugly tho.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wheels and better horsepower/weight

    Tracks are a cope for vehicles that don't have enough horsepower.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    When HIMARS was designed they were primarily using GMLRS and ATACMs already, so the vehicle is less MLRS (where quantity is important) and more of a precision strike asset.

    One thing to remember as well, is that both M270 and HIMARS can reload very quickly with their podded ammunition and integrated reloading crane.
    10 times faster than Uragan or Smerch (which requires a separate reloading vehicle as well)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not to mention that you can hardly carry all the ammo for Uragan in one truck because they are packed into single crates.

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