Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios?

Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios? You can't watch a video or have a conversation with someone without some reference to this low-probably scenario. I'm not saying it can't happen but just seems ignorant to plan your entire arsenal around it.

Now if you just enjoy planning for it I can't really argue with that but some people legitimately believe they're going to roaming the country side with their rifle rummaging through the remains of civilization.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    At least they're having fun, unlike the capacity-obsessed, gear queer min-maxers who think that if they don't have every possible advantage in a theoretical gunfight then it's as good as a death sentence.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. gays screeching if you don’t have…
      >red dot sight on a pistol for an encounter less than 10 feet away
      >2 spare mags that hold at least 15 rounds
      >modified trigger
      >super duper hollow points
      >over priced shooters insurance that will drop you as soon as you shoot a brown person
      >2-3 tourniquets in your pocket all times
      …you won’t survive some 100 pound crackhead in the Applebees parking lot.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hey, don't shit on red dots. Those were a game changer for me.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have no doubt they are great for shooting, I just can’t stand the elitism that comes with it. I have a cheap dot on my rifle and that’s about it. If I was really into competition or long range shooting yeah then I’d shell out for a nice one. But implying you NEED one or you will die in a short range scuffle is dumb.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. My 30 year old makarov with 8 round magazine provides more than enough protection for my needs. Everything else is a larp

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly I carry my 8 round bersa .380 all the time. I usually bring a spare mag but still. A gun is a gun. And if some sperg is mogging my car or body it’ll be just as threatening and deadly.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >needs
          Poorgay cope

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based. I carried my Mak with Hornady self defense rounds I got cheap doing security work for awhile. My 1911 would be (on paper) better in every way but at the end of the day from the sights to the trigger reset to following up it was the one I felt I could count on in the moment if I had to. Shit on the cartridge and 8rd single stack as much as you want but I can operate my Mak easier, quicker and more accurate (firing quickly) than anything else I own. Best poorgay choice I've made

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pic related with flash and dogshit lighting

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Based. I carried my Mak with Hornady self defense rounds I got cheap doing security work for awhile. My 1911 would be (on paper) better in every way but at the end of the day from the sights to the trigger reset to following up it was the one I felt I could count on in the moment if I had to. Shit on the cartridge and 8rd single stack as much as you want but I can operate my Mak easier, quicker and more accurate (firing quickly) than anything else I own. Best poorgay choice I've made

              Mossad Ayoob says the same, get what you're comfortable with, shoot with it, live with it. The other gunfighters I've seen say "carry as big as you possibly can manage" but also that you gotta do the things Massad says. It's the right choice. If anything, maybe try out some more guns you might think would be better.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >over priced shooters insurance that will drop you as soon as you shoot a brown person
        Is this just shit talk or are there any examples you can point me towards where this happened?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lawyers have gone through most common carry insurances and have pointed out many clauses that are of serious concern::
          >Many of these places are not even the actual party providing the insurance they are middlemen that maintain a network of lawyers who you're effectively paying a retainer fee to connect you with a lawyer
          >No control of your representation, you get who you get
          >No control over legal bargaining, you get whatever your appointed lawyer tells you to get
          >People have had their coverage dropped despite paying for highest tiers of coverage because the insurance felt they had a small chance to lose their case
          >Coverage is not guaranteed despite what promotional materials may indicate, an example is USCCA saying they cover $150K legal expenses but they are legally only liable for $30K; there has been lawsuits filed against them over this specific issue
          >Policy outright does NOT match promotional materials, USCCA promises $2M coverage if you're found to be civilly liable but the legal docs do not have any such wording or coverage so even if you're not criminally liable in a self-defense shooting and the mom of Te-shaun-dequindre dindunuffin sues you for civil damages because "you killed the breadwinner of their houshold" you can and absolutely will get fricked

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Shooters insurance is a scam directed towards poor and stupid people. I mean, how moronic do you have to be to think you can get insurance coverage for committing a crime? Otherwise they’d recognize you’re either released once the cops figure out what happened as there’s no crime, or you pay bail and get a good lawyer because you’re charged with a crime. Shooters insurance isn’t going to mediation with the state to avoid a trial for fricks sake.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. gays screeching if you don’t have…
      >red dot sight on a pistol for an encounter less than 10 feet away
      >2 spare mags that hold at least 15 rounds
      >modified trigger
      >super duper hollow points
      >over priced shooters insurance that will drop you as soon as you shoot a brown person
      >2-3 tourniquets in your pocket all times
      …you won’t survive some 100 pound crackhead in the Applebees parking lot.

      You are describing the same person. SHTF tards are one demanding you own a gucci Glock, SR-16, and NODs.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why wouldn't you want NODs? They're based.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can someone explain to me what the frick the point of a gucci Glock is? Over stock the only improvements I can see a Glock really "needing" are maybe a less shit trigger. Everything else seems like you're paying $1000 more dollars for things that aren't really upgrades or are 3% better than stock

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's for richgays that wanted to buy an expensive 1911 but are insecure about it not being tactical or modern, so they go with Glock. But owning a Glock is not a status symbol or impressive so they opt for an overpriced Glock to impress the tactical dudebros. No one can criticize it otherwise they get called poor despite the fact it probably would perform about the same as a normal priced Glock.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios?
    You mean American gun culture. It comes from colonial era self-defense doctrine - You'll have property but you have to defend it on your own.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      European gun channels are often obsessed with SHTF too.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Being real, they're more likely to seriously be involved in it than we are. The invasion of Ukraine reminded us all that the possibility of conventional, let alone nuclear, war in Europe is still entirely possible. The only saving grace is that Russia is shit... But still, there are Ukrainians currently living in war zones living SHTF right now. Sarajevo was only 31 years ago. It's more possible for them than it is for North Americans, which have more ready access to what they need to survive it.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it started as fun, then people started taking things too seriously and ruined the fun. We had the zombie apocalypse loadout discussions 10-15 years ago and even got novelty products like Z Max ammo. Then today, we have people buying full soldier kits who seriously think they will be involved in domestic combat in their lifetime. I blame post 2012 gun owners who bought a bunch of tacticool shit out of fear of the political climate, and when that fear wore off, they had to justify the purchase by inventing a fantasy scenario.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Waaaaaaaaah things change waaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!1!!1!!!1!!1!1!
      Lol

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"I live in my own world. Anyone who doesnt live in my world isnt relevant to me. Therfore I cannot comprehend anything outside my self centered close minded world."
      (you)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I miss zombie culture. It was so comfy. Walking dead crapping out 40 seasons of drama probably killed it. But season 1 WD, world war z, the zombie survival guide, deadliest warrior, and L4D2 made zombie prep so much fun. You could buy and put together a solid rifle that’s valid in every way then pair it with a 6 inch revolver and jagged ass machete/axe tool. Because it was cool.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    That’s what happens when your country is flooded with millions of violent law breaking illegal migrants that are cartel affiliated and hate you. That’s what happens when Black folk run rampant and burn down cities and commit crime at will and police do nothing about it because they are afraid to be called racists. It’s what happens when your government prints 30 trillion dollars of debt and cannot even pay the interest on the debt. It’s what happens when a virus created in a lab is unleashed on the global population and the government tells you not to ask questions and forces you to get an experimental vaccine. It’s what happens when the government and every large corporation including the military industrial complex is spouting anti white propaganda and labeling gun owners as domestic terrorists that must be eliminated

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It’s what happens when a virus created in a lab is unleashed on the global population and the government tells you not to ask questions

      This is actually a point worth discussing. This was THE scenario the SHTF guys were waiting for (government overreach, end-of-days atmosphere, etc.) and I don't recall any major retaliation. What happened here exactly?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It fizzled out because the virus was weak as piss and didn't deliver on blood in the streets. But it did deliver George Floyd riots, steadily rising random violence and murder (even in Canada where I am), Land War in Europe and the slow but steady dissolution of globalism as an ideology. We are in the early stages of a pretty severe, yet slow and grinding, SHTF scenario. It is due to the last 30 odd years being a socioeconomic experiment that has accelerated in the last 8, which was doomed to extreme and catastrophic failure. It's due to demographic decline, the erosion of invested capital and many, many, factors that made this time a golden age for humanity that would burn brightly for a short time, like a dynamo, before extinguishing. I'm not of the opinion that civilization will collapse, but rather the period from 1945 to 2020 was more of an aberration than anything and that we can, and likely will, return to the historically violent mean. That is possible, it is more possible than anything else because it is the median of human experience. Which means preparing for when the shit hits the fan, which can be anything from being robbed at a gas station to nuclear warfare, is plausible... Because it always has been. We do not live on a different planet from our ancestors. We were only blessed to be raised in a world that was made safe by our grand parents for a brief and wonderful period of time. So, buy that armor and get those NODs, not just because they are based, but because your Border Reiver ancestors would have wanted this for you.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That whole paragraph just to say, "someday something bad might happen". At what point does this decline require action on your part? My point is the SHTF people are constantly moving the goal post. If you did nothing during these recent crises you'll continue to do nothing.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            SHTF is about survival when shit hits the fan, not causing shit to hit the fan, moron, you’ve got your wires crossed

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you not have some obligation to, at least, attempt to stop the decline? My question was when do you decide to take action against the decline? At what point does shit hit the fan?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >stop the decline

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                No? That’s not my view at all. Shit hits the fan when your life is in danger and/or wars reach your shores.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mostly agree with what you've said here. I'm trying not to strawman since this question could have a million different answers. My instincts tell me that most the SHTF people are full of shit though. My primary complaints are mostly around those who claim the country is "being destroyed" and do nothing but complain.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Check out Brass Facts if you want a more measured view of /k/ related SHTF preps.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sweet, will do.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well, one thing to consider about being prepped is that you should be involved in a community of likeminded individuals and help one another get through the hard times. Your ultimate goal is to survive whatever disaster befalls you and rebuild from it and a large part of that is being prepared, as a community, to get through it and a significant aspect of it is being prepared to help provide for the physical security of that community. They way you prevent SHTF, is to do what you are capable of doing... Which isn't going to happen beyond the community level. You're only one man, you can only do what you can do. You will not have a major impact at the national scale, but you can do your part in your neighborhood or wherever you end up to keep law and order, within your community, and mitigate the worst of it... Which is why it is critically important to larp in combat kit and train regularly in whatever ways you can. Hit the gym, go to the range at least once per month, go to airsoft, practice HEMA or martial arts. Whatever. Just be a responsible, prepared, citizen that is physically and mentally capable. Maintain your integrity during shit times and just do your best.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you not have some obligation to, at least, attempt to stop the decline? My question was when do you decide to take action against the decline?
                Join local and national organizations working towards the same goals as you, might be political parties, ngos, unions, etc
                If you don't have the time, donate money.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >At what point does it require action on your part.
            In January 2020, I was the first guy in my area buying toilet paper in larger than normal quantities. Checkmate, leftist. But more seriously, I'll know it when I see it. For me, locally, I nearly was stranded 60km from home by the flood of 2021. Had I not owned a truck, which I bought for this and other reasons, my car would have bogged down like the half dozen or so I passed. The truck is a prep. Now, had I ended up stranded, I had some options... But more likely than not, I would have just walked home. Which is fine, because I own a Hazard 4 poncho and comfortable waterproof hiking boots. These are a prep. I started doing these things, keeping shit in my truck in case my vehicle ended up getting bricked, because the 2019 port blockade opened my eyes. I was stuck behind protesters that did not allow me to leave work... And engaged with them verbally. In the United States, this kind of shit did leave people stranded in a hostile environment, so there is precedence to at least be prepared to walk long distances, maybe in adverse weather conditions... And maybe in a scenario where you can and will be attacked. This isn't a fantasy scenario, there's a lot of precedent.

            My preps are pragmatic and have helped me out. Had no problem wiping my ass, always have water to drink and my shoes are always Gucci. If nukes went off tomorrow, it would be a shit deal, but I'd be as good as I can be... Could probably stand to get a carton of smokes though.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I never had to buy tp or any of that because I always keep stockpiles for cost reasons. Food I did , but not much, because my mother is a fat sow and eats like a truck, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
              Prepping in advance is teh key, future proofing, making sure you have the skills to deal with a lot, or at least useful skills to trade if you don't.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's not something bad might, it's something bad WILL.
            You live a pampered life and haven't experienced hardship at all, maybe you're in a nice rural area, maybe you enjoy a luxury living in a blue city's outer limits.

            I have been in the shit, not long, but briefly. If you were out during Covid, you experienced the tip of it. Shit has been getting steadily worse for years now, if you're old enough you will have seen it, no it's not generational "these darn kids" shit, you can actively see the rich becoming unimaginably wealthy and able to get away with thing in broad daylight they never could before, your dollar meaning less and less, millions of directionless angry people with no futures, a public that is half spinless and weak, and half violent and ready to explode.
            We are seeing war on a global scale more than we have in years, we are seeing unrest like we haven't before, the world is being pushed to a breaking point all over, and coivd was just the first noticable domino.

            You will look at this point in history a decade or two from now and think "wow, that really was the start of the troubles huh? I knew it all along!"

            >global economic decline
            >wages not keeping up with inflation, housing prices, automotive prices, etc
            >cheapest brand new car is up $1000 USD YoY
            >cars don't last as long as they use to, generally
            >basic necessities raising in cost
            There was another greentext years ago about this, how you're apartment is getting smaller and smaller, less and shittier food, more work for less pay, you only care about immediate survival and not big picture politics; basically shtf in slowmotion

            Because they have been happening and can always happen.

            >war in Europe
            >global economic decline
            >wages not keeping up with inflation, housing prices, automotive prices, etc
            >cheapest brand new car is up $1000 USD YoY
            >cars don't last as long as they use to, generally
            >basic necessities raising in cost
            >WW3 being hung over our faces constantly, but no one is actually taking it as seriously as we took the cold war
            >global pandemics
            >civil unrest and civil disobedience becoming more wide spread and severe
            >weather events becoming more extreme
            >political polarization and political violence more normalized
            >increase in organized crime and commerical insurgencies across the border, leaking into the U.S
            >Inevitable deglobalization
            >Birthrate collapse everywhere except sub Saharan Africa

            it's here, it's getting worse, you should be able to see it now, and if you didn't in 2019, you won't now.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It didn't fizzle out, people moved to areas that are are in line with their political views. Food is the only thing that Americans would really fight about but by then it would be too late.
        The country is in a different place than it was in the 2000s post 9/11, I doubt there will be as much national unity with the influx of migrants, widespread internet use, and the isolation that comes with it.

        It fizzled out because the virus was weak as piss and didn't deliver on blood in the streets. But it did deliver George Floyd riots, steadily rising random violence and murder (even in Canada where I am), Land War in Europe and the slow but steady dissolution of globalism as an ideology. We are in the early stages of a pretty severe, yet slow and grinding, SHTF scenario. It is due to the last 30 odd years being a socioeconomic experiment that has accelerated in the last 8, which was doomed to extreme and catastrophic failure. It's due to demographic decline, the erosion of invested capital and many, many, factors that made this time a golden age for humanity that would burn brightly for a short time, like a dynamo, before extinguishing. I'm not of the opinion that civilization will collapse, but rather the period from 1945 to 2020 was more of an aberration than anything and that we can, and likely will, return to the historically violent mean. That is possible, it is more possible than anything else because it is the median of human experience. Which means preparing for when the shit hits the fan, which can be anything from being robbed at a gas station to nuclear warfare, is plausible... Because it always has been. We do not live on a different planet from our ancestors. We were only blessed to be raised in a world that was made safe by our grand parents for a brief and wonderful period of time. So, buy that armor and get those NODs, not just because they are based, but because your Border Reiver ancestors would have wanted this for you.

        We are in WWIII already and I don't think people realize it because there aren't bombers flying over their homes.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'll agree, said it before myself. WW3 looks weird but it's happening.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        all bark no bite

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          There were, a lot of gays laughed at people who tried to buck it, a lot of it wasn't reported.
          Mostly, in more consrvative areas, people stopped giving a frick. And nobody cared, in middle of the road areas where guns were allowed, it went either way. In blue states you accepted your street was on fire or being looted, or got prosecuted by scumbags.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pills, Alice. Now.

      >It’s what happens when a virus created in a lab is unleashed on the global population and the government tells you not to ask questions

      This is actually a point worth discussing. This was THE scenario the SHTF guys were waiting for (government overreach, end-of-days atmosphere, etc.) and I don't recall any major retaliation. What happened here exactly?

      Literally nothing since that's just as much of a fantasy larp as zombies or scary black people

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Black people aren’t scary. They are proven to be destructive and have higher crime rates. They destroy real estate prices and think because they are black that people owe them something. It’s hard to be afraid of a group with sub room temperature iq

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >higher crime rates
          Not caused by race
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
          >destroy real estate prices
          We did this to ourselves
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
          >sub room temperature iq
          You're thinking of PrepHole users

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >not caused by race
            >picrel is from the very wiki you linked

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              notice how the graph shows 0 correlation between black homicide rates and total black population, because there is no correlation

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but do you know what the word "rate" means?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >skips all the words
              >goes right to the picture
              >doesn't even understand the picture

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >skips all the words
                Sure, so allow me to post them here, word for word, under the exact image I used.

                "The per-capita (lol

                notice how the graph shows 0 correlation between black homicide rates and total black population, because there is no correlation

                )
                offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites, and their victim rate was similar. About half of homicides are known to be single-offender/single-victim, and most of those were intraracial; in those where the perpetrator's and victim's races were known, 81% of white victims were killed by whites and 91% of black or African-American victims were killed by blacks or African-Americans."

                "According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the opposite."

                "Evidence supporting the role of structural factors in high black crime rates comes from multiple studies. For example, Robert J. Sampson has reported that most of the reason violent crime rates are so high among blacks originates mainly from unemployment, economic deprivation, and family disorganization. Specifically, he found that "the scarcity of employed black men increases the prevalence of families headed by females in black communities" and that the increased prevalence of such families in turn results in family disruption that significantly increases black murder and robbery rates."

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > originates mainly from unemployment, economic deprivation, and family disorganization. Specifically, he found that "the scarcity of employed black men increases the prevalence of families headed by females in black communities" and that the increased prevalence of such families in turn results in family disruption that significantly increases black murder and robbery rates."
                Not caused by race

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >completely glances past the first paragraph
                >per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites
                >per-capita
                >for each person; in relation to people taken individually.
                >91% of black or African-American victims were killed by blacks or African-Americans

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cool, why? Keep reading.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >not caused by race
                >picrel is from the very wiki you linked

                Hey moron, if black crime rates are some innate genetic thing, then why the frick has it clearly fluctuated over the years rather than remaining constant? Gee, its almost is if race isn't the issue here...

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Abortion has had a pretty eugenic effect on American blacks.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So are you admitting that race isn't even a concrete construct? I mean the fact that mixed race people are even possible to begin with should tip you off to this idea, and concepts like heterosis also kinda break that illusion

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you take a population, and selectively remove from that population individuals with a particular set of traits (unplanned pregnancies are more frequent in individuals who have poor planning abilities, which correlates with all sorts of negative behaviors), you will reduce the frequency of the genes that code for that inside that subpopulation. I suspect abortion has had a eugenic effect on the white population too, but a much higher percentage of black pregnancies are terminated so the effect is stronger.

                Race is correlated to the statistical likelihood of an individual having certain genes, but obviously knowing race alone cannot predict an individual's genes (other than for melanin lol.)

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but nobody has ever suggested that different races are different species. Subspecies, a short distance along the trajectory of speciation, yes that’s what race is, but not diff species.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is incoherent and does not merit a reply. Have a great day, and try to be better tomorrow.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's pre-empted an impressive number. You can have quality of life or many children, rarely both.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wikipedia has been ideologically captured for some time now. I wouldn’t use it as a source for anything other than totally benign, apolitical topics.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wikipedia isn't a source you moron. The sources themselves are inlined in that article. I suggest you follow them but you probably wont.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                then why did you only follow the biased sources that you think prove your argument, instead of the decades accumulated federal crime statistics.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                because he's a discord homosexual who gets paid to lie

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go the frick back to r/liberalgunowners you reddit white knight homosexual

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        All those things are happening and you support it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >That’s what happens when your country is flooded with millions of violent law breaking illegal migrants that are cartel affiliated and hate you. That’s what happens when Black folk run rampant and burn down cities and commit crime at will and police do nothing about it because they are afraid to be called racists.

      Shit was was worse in the crack era. I was alive then. You let the internet eat your perceptions.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >when your government prints 30 trillion dollars of debt and cannot even pay the interest on the debt

      >"No, we do not [think about the cost of borrowing for the USA itself]. In other words, that's... fiscal dominance. IF we were constrained in our monetary policy by the budgetary situation of the USA (and we're not, we're clearly not) the path we're on is not sustainable *but the level of debt that we have is not unsustainable. "Is not" is sustainable, put it that way. So we don't think about interest costs when we make monetary policy, we think about maximum employment and price stability." — Jerome Powell, March 7 2023

      The good news is only America is really positioned to weather the demographic winter coming for most 'post-industrial' societies, and the dumping of Eurodollar LIBOR for SOFR for debt pegging is as good a secoond Declaration of Independence as any: there will never be IMF/WEF/BIS et. al. Eurogay pinko banker lead CBDC, US commercial banks aren't committing suicide for them or the Sino-Soviet cargo cultists, and they'll go to unrestricted war and beyond to do it. Whatever your position on Ukraine, allowing Moscow & Beijing real warmaking capability with beyond 1990s levels of sustainment in high tech is at stake -- The French & Germans want to go all in with the Pan-Eurasian Superstate, and it won't be allowed. Those are the real stakes out on the Black Sea right now.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Amen anon. People think this SHTF scenario happens out of nowhere when really if we just stay on our current trajectory we will be there in a few years. But because it was a constant gradual burn most normies wont even know when they are there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Crime levels were worse in the 90s

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >reported

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Crime levels were worse in the 90s
        IN NYC most crime doesn't get reported in the city because they don't do anything about it. Some guy went down teh street a year or two ago smashing car windsheilds with a 2x4 for no reason before he got tackled by bystandards, cops showed up late. Nobody bothered to do anything because they wouldn't be covered by this anyway. That's just reality in a lot of blue states. They say it's fine, you have no say, and shit gets worse.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the perfect excuse to fantasize about shooting people they don't like but aren't legally allowed to murder since murder is illegal

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    2020s Covid lockdowns and riots made most gun owners and preppers look not as delusional as the left wing portrayed them as.

    Before hand you had the random event like hurricane katrina or some shit but it wasn’t widespread and not worth the public’s time.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Before hand you had the random event like hurricane katrina or some shit but it wasn’t widespread and not worth the public’s time.

      When will the SHTF guys realize that's how 99% of these scenarios will actually play out? Just be honest and admit that how you responded to COVID or any other recent crises is how you respond to any other scenario based in this reality. Nothing wrong with playing close to the vest or playing smart but to pretend you're some latent warrior waiting for an opportunity to strike is moronic.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Being real, prolonged natural disasters are some spooky shit. From 2020 to 2022 in the Vancouver metro area, we had COVID, a fire that wiped out a major rail line in Merritt and a flood that killed most of the livestock in Abbotsford that also blocked off Highway 1 (and all rail traffic.) These were minor, but had potential. If these events were worse, it would have had serious impact. But it did also seriously affect the lives of the people living in those communities hit hardest... Crime did go up, but it wasn't Katrina tier.

        [...]

        I'm actually getting more into prepping since Ukraine was invaded. But okay. Gun registration is worthless, doesn't prevent bad guys from getting guns, isn't used by the police anyway and serves no other purpose than to be a barrier to entry for responsible and law abiding individuals. Stop promoting it, registration only provides a false sense of security.

        >post Cold War but pre Covid
        Haha what a dumbass keeping a basement full of basic canned foods, TP, medical supplies, and a few jugs of water.
        >January 1st 2020
        These people are evil, they should be sharing these supplies with us, we are human beings and you’re denying us what we need to survive.
        Honk honk

        It's almost like those dudes were right. I got ahead of the Shanghai Shivers by three months and didn't have to visit a grocery store to actually buy anything I needed until 2021. It was fun heading in there to see what people were panic buying though.

        >2020s Covid lockdowns and riots made most gun owners and preppers look not as delusional as the left wing portrayed them as.
        Lol.

        >Before hand you had the random event like hurricane katrina
        Hurricane Katrina was massively overhyped and a most of the action people talk about straight up never happened.

        [...]
        >These people are evil, they should be sharing these supplies with us, we are human beings and you’re denying us what we need to survive.
        >things that never happened

        There's real and perceived safety. While the world, at this point, is still safer than it has ever been... The perception of safety is lower than dirt. That is more important than anything else. If people don't feel safe, if they feel that the world is more violent and that the standards are diminished... Over time, that is exactly what you're going to get. Statistically, we are as safe as we were in the fifties and sixties. The seventies and eighties were a fricking shit show, though and if we go back to this, then yeah... It'll be pretty fricking bad. You can laugh about it, but this is just the human condition. Get your head straight. People are getting weird and it ain't slowing down.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >post Cold War but pre Covid
      Haha what a dumbass keeping a basement full of basic canned foods, TP, medical supplies, and a few jugs of water.
      >January 1st 2020
      These people are evil, they should be sharing these supplies with us, we are human beings and you’re denying us what we need to survive.
      Honk honk

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2020s Covid lockdowns and riots made most gun owners and preppers look not as delusional as the left wing portrayed them as.
      Lol.

      >Before hand you had the random event like hurricane katrina
      Hurricane Katrina was massively overhyped and a most of the action people talk about straight up never happened.

      >post Cold War but pre Covid
      Haha what a dumbass keeping a basement full of basic canned foods, TP, medical supplies, and a few jugs of water.
      >January 1st 2020
      These people are evil, they should be sharing these supplies with us, we are human beings and you’re denying us what we need to survive.
      Honk honk

      >These people are evil, they should be sharing these supplies with us, we are human beings and you’re denying us what we need to survive.
      >things that never happened

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >things that never happened
        Because looters will be shot by people who are prepared to do so. Two kinds of men in this world, those with guns and those who dig. The haves vs have nots

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You have the CEO of Blackwater on video saying why Walmart hired them to stop looting. Blackwater was in New Orleans before FEMA was.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Lol.
        passive aggressive little pussy that you are can't admit he was right.
        You know what happened with the blm riots, covid lockdowns and societal unrest?
        Gun purchases and owners SHOT UP, especially in the homosexual lil liberal shitholes you live in, where you found out quickly
        >"wow waiting periods and gun restrictions fricking SUCK why can't I get a gun NOW REEEEEEEEE"
        >Hurricane Katrina was massively overhyped and a most of the action people talk about straight up never happened.
        Confirmed for a yuppie who not only didn't live there, know anybody there or bothered to look into it, but has never been near anything like it.
        Not only was there riots, loting, murders, abduction, and destruction, but to this day they have not recovered completely. They got back on their feet MOSTLY in 2016-2018, but that's years after the fact.
        >things that never happened
        They did, media didn't liek to comment on it because it was busy trying to spin teh whole thing as neccessary, but there was unrest, there was looting, there were things like that. A lot of it happened in tandem with BLM and a lot of it got buried or spun.
        For example there was a man who owned a gun store in Chicago which was looted during the riots, he also owned several clubs and venues, and shot to death several looters who made an attempt on his life and the store. This is only one such occurance and there's dozens more that were REPORTED on.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    because nothing ever happens.
    so we have to make shit up

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's fun. The more realistic scenario of course is getting fricking mugged by some moron with a HiPoint outside a bodega, but that's not really as interesting as zombies or Red Dawn is it?

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios?
    Mormons and other gun culture adjacent prepper types, combined with manchildren obsessed with being in one of the few hero fantasy scenarios popular in fiction that an average person could reasonably be in without committing crimes or otherwise being significantly irresponsible. I've been around the gun community for a while now and outside of the Mormons and preppers who don't focus primarily on the shooting aspect, the popular idea of SHTF scenarios has changed over the years with the situations popular fiction portray (examples being the old zombie trend, and the more recent battle royale shooter themed trend where people talk about shooting basically every person in sight).

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Here's your (You).

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >replying to bait

      Don't you do it. Don't you fricking reply to the moron. His glassy eyes gaze upon his screen, his Funko Pop collection lays meticulously cleaned in the background. On his other tab, an InRange video plays. He lays waiting for you, anons, waiting for more (You)s. Don't give him one.

      >S-S-Stop r-replying
      Getting real nervous, eh?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        And he's being honest. Every other country in the world might have better this or that or welfare, security or whatever. But none of them have freedom. Not Czech republic, Finland or Switzerland. Look at the UK. You have to be 18 to buy a potato knife. If you critique the government the police come have a chat with you.
        So go frick yourself. Ack. Took the bait.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I have the freedom to get shot in school but not criticize Israel

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'd honestly rather have been killed in a school shooting than be forced to live in the UK.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's like all the Afghan interior decorators moved there. What a country.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Registration leads to confiscation
    If the Military can have it. So should I.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      >replying to bait

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Every civilized country on earth has gun registration and only among the *nglos has that ever led to confiscation
      Look at Finland, their gun culture is stronger and smarter than America's

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't you do it. Don't you fricking reply to the moron. His glassy eyes gaze upon his screen, his Funko Pop collection lays meticulously cleaned in the background. On his other tab, an InRange video plays. He lays waiting for you, anons, waiting for more (You)s. Don't give him one.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        We dont need gun registration. All FFL firearm sales require a federal background check.
        You dont even know what you are talking about.

        >USA has no gun registration
        All NFA items are registered under the NFA
        Do me a favor and go back to Reddot.
        You are not welcome here

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Every civilized country on earth has gun registration
        Today I learned Canada is not civilized

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why do nogun morons always bring Finland?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based
      t. Euro

      Every civilized country on earth has gun registration and only among the *nglos has that ever led to confiscation
      Look at Finland, their gun culture is stronger and smarter than America's

      Black person

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I live in a place that has hurricanes.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You (and the people you talked too) are under a misconception. SHTF can be a local collapse of the rule of law/society whereas the "rummaging through the remains of civilization scenario would be called EOTWAWKI which stands for end of the world as we know it.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios?

    Dreams of their otherwise not particularly useful hobby suddenly validating their obsession. Dreams they'll become Givi or Motorola despite not having the actual military experience needed to build, train and employ a small unit let alone a large one.

    Dreams of power over their lives. I have one autistbro who only owns guns and models and toys of military equipment which are supposedly a "collection". He's afraid to be without either and nearly homeless but won't sell the toys.

    I don't need my house to be afire to justify owning fire extinguishers or a SHTF cult worldview to be armed.

    If you seriously believe in SHTF you modify your entire life to be robust because toys are not nearly enough. If you are simply ready for inevitable periodic economic downturns and prefer real more comprehensive personal agency firearms are a minor part of that while tools, equipment, workshops and owning your own rural property where you can shoot on your own land (also a good metric for doing everything else) are far more vital and that readiness looks the same plus multiplies your income effectiveness.

    A poorgay with a full gun safe is not prepared.

    If you cannot build vehicles from wrecks you're not prepared. If you cannot drive a well or repair one or scavenge parts for your use you're not prepared. If you are DIY-averse you are not prepared. If you cannot contribute broadly and usefully to a team you are not prepared. If you don't know how turn waste plastic into fuel, Aleppo style, you are not prepared etc etc.

    All those things are basic man skills and have been for a very long time.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek. You will need more skills than a basic fricking auto mechanic when shtf. Lol

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have far more skills but auto mechanics are foundational for most people because if you can work on vehicles proficiently you can manage almost any machine. This isn't speculation. I was studying applicable skills in childhood and have worked on one form or another of technology my entire long life. It's all I do or ever wanted to for vocations and recreations. Humans are a tool-using species after all.

        I can fix most machinery, make tools, make parts, drive wells etc, erect modest buildings, raise avians (currently chickens to keep it simple but at this point I could live on eggs in a pinch), repair farm equipment and have the tools (no tools and no shop = impotence, etc etc. All my skills are barterable as is done in areas where SHTF is normal. I live where I can barter them and am of the same demographic as local farmers and vets for whose abundance I chose to live here.

        I can make bullet trap rifle grenade adapters for standard grenades (or dummies, which are legal since no pyro and I've posted pics here) and other weapons thus increasing my value to any local militia (which form naturally in SHTF, see everywhere that SHTF is normal). Of course anyone decently capable could make grenades but in SHTF there will be competing sides not anarchy because power abhors a vacuum.

        My bros are likewise capable and the best have shops which I helped build. If you have no team in SHTF or life in general that's bad.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Dreams of power over their lives
      This is the correct answer.

      Being real, prolonged natural disasters are some spooky shit. From 2020 to 2022 in the Vancouver metro area, we had COVID, a fire that wiped out a major rail line in Merritt and a flood that killed most of the livestock in Abbotsford that also blocked off Highway 1 (and all rail traffic.) These were minor, but had potential. If these events were worse, it would have had serious impact. But it did also seriously affect the lives of the people living in those communities hit hardest... Crime did go up, but it wasn't Katrina tier.

      [...]
      I'm actually getting more into prepping since Ukraine was invaded. But okay. Gun registration is worthless, doesn't prevent bad guys from getting guns, isn't used by the police anyway and serves no other purpose than to be a barrier to entry for responsible and law abiding individuals. Stop promoting it, registration only provides a false sense of security.

      [...]
      It's almost like those dudes were right. I got ahead of the Shanghai Shivers by three months and didn't have to visit a grocery store to actually buy anything I needed until 2021. It was fun heading in there to see what people were panic buying though.

      [...]
      There's real and perceived safety. While the world, at this point, is still safer than it has ever been... The perception of safety is lower than dirt. That is more important than anything else. If people don't feel safe, if they feel that the world is more violent and that the standards are diminished... Over time, that is exactly what you're going to get. Statistically, we are as safe as we were in the fifties and sixties. The seventies and eighties were a fricking shit show, though and if we go back to this, then yeah... It'll be pretty fricking bad. You can laugh about it, but this is just the human condition. Get your head straight. People are getting weird and it ain't slowing down.

      I don't know why I'm annoyed by this, but Shanghai is over 500 miles from Wuhan. That's Houston to Memphis, or Washington DC to Ottawa. Two tanks of gas.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you prefer Sweet and Sour Sicken?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you cannot drive a well
      I mean, that would be pretty impressive even in a peaceful scenario.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Common in rural areas. Fun too. My bro taught me and I welded a mast with a pulley to the back of an old trailer (I decapitate pickups after parting them out) then ran a rope over that. We used scrap pipe with one old flex plate welded to it then stacked a couple scrap flywheels over the tubing with the flex plate as their stop. Tube slid over cap on well casing which we washed out using water from a smaller well that was nasty because sulfur water. Driving casing is more work than just driving a pipe with a sand point but neither are difficult in the right soil (hit rock and either drill that or try elsewhere).

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they have been happening and can always happen.

    >war in Europe
    >global economic decline
    >wages not keeping up with inflation, housing prices, automotive prices, etc
    >cheapest brand new car is up $1000 USD YoY
    >cars don't last as long as they use to, generally
    >basic necessities raising in cost
    >WW3 being hung over our faces constantly, but no one is actually taking it as seriously as we took the cold war
    >global pandemics
    >civil unrest and civil disobedience becoming more wide spread and severe
    >weather events becoming more extreme
    >political polarization and political violence more normalized
    >increase in organized crime and commerical insurgencies across the border, leaking into the U.S
    >Inevitable deglobalization
    >Birthrate collapse everywhere except sub Saharan Africa

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >global economic decline
      >wages not keeping up with inflation, housing prices, automotive prices, etc
      >cheapest brand new car is up $1000 USD YoY
      >cars don't last as long as they use to, generally
      >basic necessities raising in cost
      There was another greentext years ago about this, how you're apartment is getting smaller and smaller, less and shittier food, more work for less pay, you only care about immediate survival and not big picture politics; basically shtf in slowmotion

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that major events, wars, rebellions or disasters, are not handled at the individual level is all too often forgotten. The majority of the population has little to gain by owning anything other than a simple handgun which guarantees personal defense anywhere. The number of people who will have to use a rifle + NVO against multiple assailants, who will have to hunt for survival is incredibly small. No large-scale action is viable without the support of an organization, a state that provides both weaponry but also all the necessary logistics for communication or food so, roughly speaking, life in the broad sense. Individuals seek to control everything, which is normal but also illusory. The distribution of tasks reigns in the medium and long term. The priority should always be self protection which can be ensured by any CCW in real life. The rest is managed through political commitment in the broadest sense.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It feeds into their fears of minorities and the self-image they have of being smarter than everyone else.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    All of my problems (which are my fault) are washed away with my responsibilities and I can go off on my own and shoot anyone I think is a bad guy (which is fun).
    Who doesn't want the chance to go off on an adventure? It's like an extremely long S.T.A.L.K.E.R. challenge

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Societal rejects tend to stockpile firearms and wank over the thought of shtf so they can feel a marginal sense of justification to go postal on normies. You may not be aware but every workplace has a guy like this and we are well aware.

      From what I can tell, that's probably just guys like you because doing that kind of shit has never crossed my mind. You're projecting.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Societal rejects tend to stockpile firearms and wank over the thought of shtf so they can feel a marginal sense of justification to go postal on normies. You may not be aware but every workplace has a guy like this and we are well aware.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    hope for the best prepare for the worst

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >military hardware doesn't belong on the streets
    It belongs in my hands
    Got mine librul

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios?
    zombie era has passed, and it is now cringe to be preparing for the zombie apocalypse, but the people remained and still have that itchy need to buy gay shit and prepare for something
    I miss zombie era with fun and quirky preppers, it's immediately obvious that they're not serious about it all, while all the real preppers sound like turbo schizos who pray every evening for S to HTF because they've invested all of their money and personality points into preparing for it

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a hobby, bro and preparing towards an objective goal comes along with a lot of training and fitness goals as well. I know I'm never going to seriously use all my larp kit, but it's fun to collect and it brings me joy to go inna woods with my dudes and have a good time. Unrelated question, how much do you weigh?

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >humans have built hundreds of thousands of civilizations over millions of years
    >every single one to date has collapsed and failed
    >low-probably scenario
    op is a homosexual

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >humans have built hundreds of thousands of civilizations over millions of years
      >over millions of years
      bro please tell me the education system hasn't failed you
      >inb4 christgays chime in with ITS 6000 YEARS

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't need an education; I have a GUN.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't all 'collapse' you fricking dolt. Using the Roman empire as a prime example it was a decline and not some sudden cataclysm.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Roman Empire is one of the worst understood events by midwits there is considering the Roman Empire actually survived another millennia after the fall of Rome.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Eastern Roman Empire lasted until it was conquered by Turkic peoples. The Western Roman Empire can only really be described as a prolonged SHTF scenario where all able bodied men were expected to bear arms and answer the call to banners when some tribe or petty kingdom decided to invade your lands or vice versa. Armed civilians, training for combat on their own dime with some loose administrative participation by their feudal lords is the most common kind of warfighting host in history. Therefore, I maintain this human tradition by owning the means of individual warfare and training in its implementation in the best way that I can. While we have not, and may never, get to that point... You cannot deny that this has been how several wars have been fought in recent history. The entire Syrian Civil War and the ISIS invasion of Iraq was largely fought with one, or both, sides making prolific uses of citizen militias. Given the absolute state if modern professional militaries, there are only a handful today that can seriously claim to have a fully capable state military model in practice with most simply claiming to have them in principle.

          The militiaman isn't going anywhere.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't plan for a rainy afternoon, I plan for the week of flooding rains that will actually be a real problem.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The leading cause of unnatural death after the 20th century is going to be Rogue Communist Governments indefinitely. Stay jabbed and boosted fren.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason I spend 90% of my work day just maladaptively daydreaming about settings I've autistically world built in my own head, because shit's fricking boring and it's nice to sometimes let yourself succumb to autistic fantasies every now and again.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is gun culture so obsessed with SHTF scenarios?
    people want to cosplay as heroes
    and imagine all the things they've been conditioned to fear will come after them and they'll finally have a chance to lash out and exact righteous vengeance

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing inherently wrong with being a prepper, but its kinda fricking exhausting constantly hearing doomposters cry about random schizo world ending scenarios that never fricking happen because the world doesn't work like their favorite animes.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You homosexuals leaving reddit to come here doesnt mean there are more of you but only that you need to infest has grown.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Black person have you dealt with the aftermath of a hurricane?
    Thats a real SHTF situation that could happen every year

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Let me guess, you still believe the Superdome turned into hell on earth with gangs fighting the police, national guard, and other gangs for control, death rape orgies that even children and infants couldn't escape, and people needing to step over bodies that littered the floor because they couldn't fit anymore into the freezers they were using as makeshift dead Black person storage facilities.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No worse
        Hurricane Andrew

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >hurricanes are destructive and there's a reason why evacuations are ordered
          >no violence mentioned

          Here's another one

          >video complaining that troops weren't already there helping 48 hours after the hurricane made landfall
          >no violence mentioned
          So already better the ridiculous claims of what happened after Katrina.

          But that did happen, and still happens, it's only slightly exagerated, but the shit going on around the dome was worse. You're a sheltered dumbass who has no experience, so you wouldn't know, but we do know better.

          Anon, in reality, 6 out of the 30k people housed there died over a week. 4 of natural causes with 2 of those being old people who were already in rough shape when they showed up, 1 suicide, and 1 OD. And the only person shot at the Superdome was a national guard member who NDed into himself. No one was raping children and even babies to death in front of their weeping mothers or any of the other wild shit that was reported. Hurricane Katrina saw people substituting ridiculous events you'd find in action movies for reality whenever they couldn't get good information about what was happening.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Here's another one

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Or you could spend all your 'prepper' money to move the frick away from places like this.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        But that did happen, and still happens, it's only slightly exagerated, but the shit going on around the dome was worse. You're a sheltered dumbass who has no experience, so you wouldn't know, but we do know better.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Superdome was also full of all the poorest, nothing to lose, stuck in their ways southerners, while everyone who was able to just left

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            There were poors all over, it wasn't isolated to the dome and it sure as shit is all over when it happens elsewhere.

            Prostate cancer doesn't give a frick about that

            It does actually, since a lot of cancer is caused by the modern day poisons we ingest on the regular. Processed foods, being overweight, being out of shape, interacting with and ingesting things that are bad for you and foreign to the body that weren't present even 20 years ago.

            If you're getting cancer and you're not genetically predisposed, you're either living like shit or living in a dangerous area that causes it.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >If you get cancer it's your fault
              lmao. masculinity was a mistake

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can't help that you were born a pussy, kiddo!

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think the most realistic "armed citizens in societal breakdown" scenario would be the one against the federal government, but anyone prepping or even talking about that one ends up getting infiltrated by glowBlack folk so the conversation gets watered down to gay "shtf" larping.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the fricking point of owning a weapon if you weren't planning on using it to defend yourself somehow? Guns only exist to kill stuff. They don't have much use otherwise.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like poking little holes in pieces of paper, and I like tinkering. I have no interest in self defense.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the same reason you see gun-tubers shilling their latest FOTM guns. It's the same reason gun-tubers make videos like "x accessories you MUST have on your rifle!" It's the same reason "recce" and "DMR" and whatever other bullshit setups are shilled.

    It's to sell people guns and gun accessories.

    Most actual SHTF scenarios people will encounter are disasters like hurricanes, floods, pollution disasters, wildfires etc. Having a bunch of guns doesn't give you an advantage and in most cases people need to abandon them because most disasters require you to GTFO your home. Guns are useful tools, but you're better off building hard and soft-skills so you can work with other people to survive a disaster rather than try to hole up by yourself, painting a massive target on your back. Knowing how to make clean water, keep warm, and treat injuries is significantly more important than buying your tenth long gun for the imaginary coming "civil war."

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity was born out of apocalypticism and American Christianity is only deeper entrenched in apocalypticism.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They think a SHTF scenario will be a modern battle of Rorke’s drift and they’re foaming at the mouth due to hating black people.

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    A revolution with mass instability is medium probability. Look at the wide spread COVID riots over getting locked up for two months.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fantasy just like every end of the world scenario. The rapture has been falsely predicted hundreds of times because people are weird and dumb

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If there comes a time of crisis and you're not prepared you're fricked.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      And there's a better chance your time of crisis will come because you didn't get regular bloodwork and prostate checks done

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, because I keep in shape, don't eat processed crap, and don't take copious amounts of pills.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Prostate cancer doesn't give a frick about that

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guns are tools, different tools for different jobs. I think it's prudent to have a before SHTF EDC type weapon set, to include a modest home defense weapon system. You should also have a rifle for "life and liberty" if you profess to call yourself an American. I personally think any modest minuteman loadout will double as you SHTF kit as if you need to kit out rebellion shit has hit the fan.

    A nice Ying and Yang philosophy. Obviously any overlapping gear is ideal and say a set of Glocks and a set of ARs will cover all bases, say 3-4 of each in widely different configurations for different jobs. Make one of those AR's an AR-10 and it's hard t o argue you'd ever need more no matter what come pre or post collapse.

    Please note this is just for one person, if you need to equip a family unit or MAG than you are talking a few sidearms and a few rifles per person, post collapse.

    >Glock 26
    >Glock 19/17 (giggle switch?)
    >Glock 21

    >AR-15 14.5" (giggle switch?)
    >AR-15 20"
    >AR-10 DMR w/ fine glass

    ^^^^^^^^^Let me guess....you need more^^^^^?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Glock 19/17 (giggle switch?)
      >AR-15 20"
      All you need, ditch the rest of the post.

  41. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Societal breakdown isn’t low probability.
    Zombie apocalypse is fantasy, Chinese invasion is fantasy, nuclear holocaust is a long shot, but Bosnia-Herzegovina wasn’t 30 years ago.
    What would it take for something like that to happen here, for mass panic to set in, and for people to start panic buying everything off of the shelves?
    Oil stops being produced, trucks and trains stop moving, goods stop being distributed, mass blackouts, 2/3 of our population is starving within the week, within 2-3 weeks people are dead, neighbors looting, people getting robbed, raped, and murdered.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just admit this is your daydream of choice

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not giving consideration to probable scenarios because “that’s paranoia” is what morons do.
        Smoke the weed, so your government can take care of you. Meanwhile, the Mormons and Amish will be the only ones to survive a prolonged societal breakdown.

  42. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's just what you tell the wife

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