My 10mm carry ammo has like double the recoil of my training ammo, and the carry ammo (underwood) costs over $2 a round so I’m not practicing with that shit. What the fuck is the point of training with a round that has ridiculously soft recoil compared to the shit you’ll actually fight with? Might as well just shoot my Glock 17 instead of my 20 when I’m at the range. Most bulk 10mm has the same amount of propellant as .40 I’ve read
>He fell for the stoppan powah in a pistol meme
>
>muh gel
Cope.
https://www.tierthreetactical.com/analyzing-1800-shootings-which-caliber-has-the-best-stopping-power/
>10mm not on the list
Anon I...
Because literally nobody uses 10mm for self defense. But if there's no real world difference between 380 and 45 in terms of incapacitating someone, it's safe to say the advantage of 10mm is marginal at best.
Just get a .44 magnum
Case in point
That's some nice bullet mushroom clouding kek
I don't think pictures, numbers, or personal biases translate as effectively as a Human torso with glocks as a control group in terms of solid registerable data.
.45 IS a good caliber, "stopping power" is just the transfer of kinetic energy. A larger projectile has a larger surface which distributes that force across the surface of the target. Getting hit with a .45 will have a higher likelihood of throwing the target off balance as opposed to the faster velocity smaller projectile 9mm.
You can see in this video the size differences in entrance and expansion wounds. Neither is superior than the other, its literally just what subset of advantages and disadvantages you want to train on.
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.45 lacks enough force to guarantee any effect on target outside of getting a CNS or heart/lung shot, which is the problem. Yes it makes bigger holes in gel in comparison to 9mm but the practical effect on targets isn't seen in real world scenarios. The human body is surprisingly good in closing off smaller capillaries so unless you're making vital shots a slight increase in flesh wounding won't disable an attacker on adrenaline and/or drugs unless you're seriously opening them up. .45 does has its uses, for example if you need to carry a single stack you can get still like 8-9 rounds of .45 in a similar size of gun to a 9mm that carries 8-10 rounds. However 10mm guns tend to have better capacity than .45 so if you're talking double stack guns I think .45 is outdated when 9mm and 10mm exist.
>super ++p++ pure hardcast hypercore buffalorape penetrator 10mm round fired from a custom 10 inch barrel
>recoil shatters your trigger finger and shears the locking block straight off the gun
>still stopped by soft body armor
vs
>completely normal winchester white box .223 fired from a factory standard AR15
>you dont even feel it
>it shot through the target and past the backstop and through a bear that was hiding behind a tree
10mm is a meme
Ok how do I conceal the latter while also being able to access it quickly
carry a 5.7
Why? So he can pay well in excess of $1/round for watered down ammo that loses a ton of velocity out of the 5" barrel?
Camouflage
++p++ pure hardcast hypercore buffalorape penetrator 10mm
This but in
>5.7
>still stopped by soft body armor
LMAO
just convert to 9x25 Dillon
Yea I bought a fuckload of 10mm HST’s before I learned this was a thing. Guess it’s just .40 long s&w till I find a sale on some underwood
From a ballistics standpoint .40 S&W is perfect for 2 legged threats. With 155 gr high velocity loads they can expand to .96 of an inch, over 100% expansion.
I just picked up 400 rounds of pic related for 15 bucks a box on sale at bi-mart. I carry my g40 inna woods for bears and stuff like that but cmon man a 10mm edc is already overkill and underwood is practically novelty tier on price.
lose wait
OP here this is for hiking in grizzly country. 10mm is minimum
220gr hard cast from Buffalo Bore. I kept a full mag of those in a G20 strapped to my chest in MT.
Nah OP, you really don't need 10mm.
Turns out most of your common pistol calibers will get the job done, because it turns out bears don't like getting shot.
Here :
https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/
and here :
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/update-of-pistol-defenses-against-bears-123-cases-98-effective/
Don't get me wrong OP, I get it. Bears are goddamn terrifying if they're coming after you. But just like with every other use of a handgun it comes down to getting shots on target, quickly. Caliber isn't as important as most folks think.
Also, it's hard to beat 230 grain .45 ACP for penetration.
>Why is full power 10mm so hard to find at a reasonable price
because we figured out 30 years ago that .40 S&W is fine and that's what everyone started using
>Bubba's Special Reloaded Pissin' Hot Loads
vs
>FBI SuperFed Agent Cherry Popper 10mm
The latter was considered too Hispanicy by soft hand agents thus eventually came the .40S&W meme after 10mm softhands loads were too commonplace.
>why does the thing that requires twice as much material to make cost twice as much to buy?
>why does the niche thing I want carry niche pricing?
Buy some goddamn Buffalo Bore 180 HST's for people-shaped things and 220 hard casts for bear-shaped things.
How does a bit more propellant mean 4x the cost
All 10mm shills shall hang, as well as those couple of really annoying Tokarev guys floating around.
Play with stupid caliber win stupid prizes.
The difference in 'wounding capabilities' as I shall refer to it, between conventionally used pistol calibers is larger between different cartridges of the same caliber, than between calibers. None of these generate nevermind dump enough energy to cause temporary cavities capable of rupturing organs or breaking bones: They're all just glorified hole punchers.
>Why is full power 10mm so hard to find at a reasonable price
Litigious lawyers.
Reload for it and it's cheap af.
Does 'full power' FMJ 180g like magtech or sig sauer have enough penetration for grizzly bone plates? Google says the Danish sirius sled patrol uses simple Prvi Partizan FMJ in their glock 20s (for polar bears!), although in that case it's a sidearm to 30-06.
>grizzly
you will never see one in person up close that isn't tamed and used to humans.
.22lf is lighter.
If you are one of the .000000000000001% that ever is attacked by a griz, then just shoot your buddy in the leg and outrun him.
Maybe in your gay ass state
Anon, a .22 will penetrate a grizzly skull.
I just got some at the store the other day. Can't remember what I paid.
>Bear load
Anon, I...
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>bear load
>200 grains
>subsonic at sea level
>BEAR LOAD
Shit, you'd be better off with .45 AARP.
At least it says the brass is reusable.
>10mm gay researches nothing before buying product
Lol, lmao even. Like pottery. Hope he enjoyed paying >$2/rd for some .40 S&W FMJs.
10mm is the most versatile pistol caliber. Smart bros like the centimeter for this reason. I'm tired of explaining it, so if you can't figure it out on your own, the 10mm nirvana isn't for you.
10mm constitutes 0.08% of all ammo sales, while 9mm and 45acp constitute nearly 40% of ammo sales in any given year, sell your 10mm and switch to a 45 or 9 instead.
Say 10mm is the best or ill pull the trigger
Ill fucking do it this time i swear
Could have bought a holoCHAD EPS instead of those pedohou dolls
i got the optic for free trading for the g40
and it fits the longslide aesthetic, any other optic looks retarded.
If i didnt get it for free i would have probably bought a vortex venom anyway
>he would have willingly bought a Vortex pistol dot
Retard alert! Though I don’t expect much else from 10mm dumbfucks.
You won't do shit because those weird plushies are more important to you than anything else.
>10mm is the best mm though
does your father know you play with dolls anon?
I used to buy it from my boomer friend who made handloads but he passed away
Kill all 9mmfags
It doesn't matter how powerful your gun is if you can't afford to effectively train with it. 10mm and other larger calibers also attract low income individuals further compounding the problem
10mm is a reloader's cartridge, which is why I don't own one yet. Maybe I'll be able to justify it if I get into wildcat cartridges like 6mm SPC, but I'll need the LWRC SIX8 if I really want to take advantage of that. Then I'll need somebody to make a barrel for it, and I'm looking at dropping >10k for what's essentially a meme.
If you don't have money to burn like that, you're better off sticking with basic bitch stuff like 9mm and 5.56
10mm is worth reloading if you want to shoot it frequently. You can get a progressive press for $300
You're either in the meta or outside of it. You've decided to be a contrarian and you'll have to forge your own path because you're one of the few who choose a 10mm pistol for defense. The only way forward on your path is to reload your own ammo or turn back and do what everyone else is doing.
>>10mm is expensive
>>….
in big bore pricing
Life is pain anon… spend the money, enjoy the explosions..
Bro I know your pain.
Pic related cartridges for this are $70-90 for a fucking box of 20
I rented a 44 mag at a range a week or so ago and the range guy was careful to let me know that the 20 count box of 44 mag was 34$…. And I don’t think he expected me to consider that “affordably cheap” compared to 454 lol.
On a side note my brother has a 500 magnum Thompson contender…. If your looking for some crazy ammo for that revolver aria engineering out of Washington state makes a 600 grain +p+ round that kicks ass.. pic is it compared to I think a regular Magtech or Hsm 500 round….
meme calibur
>does anyone know who makes correctly loaded 10mm range ammo?
>10mm sucks
>10mm sucks
>10mm sucks
>10mm sucks
>10mm sucks
Every time. This board is jam-packed with 12-year-olds.
Anyway, the only real solution is to handload. It's a timesink but since you're not counting grains for that 0.1-moa bolt gun, you can shell out for a progressive press and speed up the process considerably. Both the cost savings and your satisfaction will be realized quickly versus buying buffalo bore to shoot at the range.