Why is France building Star Forts in Africa and what does? Posted on May 20, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Why is France building Star Forts in Africa and what does PrepHole think of this?
where is this? Didn't France just withdraw from Mali and Burkina Faso?
no dead zones like a square medieval fort + overlapping fields of fire
apparently this was for Operation Barkhane in 2020/2021 in Mali
so they're gone now
can someone do those Ukrainian cartoon armorers
but this time they are dressed as 17th century engineers
and they're presenting this star fort to an angry french officer
do you mean florkofcrows?
dear god the memes gone too far
Rumor is that they found a Palantir buried in an ancient tomb, in the middle. It was later moved to Pisky.
What is the point of the outer star fort if there are no defensive positions to put enfilading fire down the barricades? that shape makes sense if you're fighting at the wall, but that doesn't look like this is the case
and maybe they considered they would have to fight at the wall
This is giving a migraine just to look at.
Imagine having to attack it too
Can you even build star forts and defenses with HESCO barriers?
>Can you even build star forts and defenses with HESCO barriers?
You can but they look nowhere as pleasing as ye olde defenses
Good in theory, unless some of those layers get cut off or bypassed, which is how you get Dien Bien Phu’d
it's starmie's final evolution, staroui
Maybe it's not yet complete, or maybe they just wanted a ditch set back far enough to keep VBIEDs from getting close.
they became a thing in Iraq and Syria but have they been used in West Africa?
I would imagine mortars and rpgs would be the more immediate concern
>they became a thing in Iraq and Syria but have they been used in West Africa?
Link and picrel just for an example of a big attack on a french fob in Mali. Mortars, RPGs, multiple waves of VBIEDs and foot soldiers attacking.
Highly recommend to read the full thing.
Also for the POV of US soldiers that were presents near the FOB when the attack started and had to hide with civilians in some shop
>3 VBIEDs painted in UN colors or disguised as Malian Armed Forces
>1st vehicle exploded at the entrance of the French camp at 3pm, and the blast caused the first French casualties
>2nd vehicle was seen on approach, refusing to stop;
>French soldiers at the entry control check-point fired warning shots, then targeted the vehicle to stop it... requiring a very significant consumption of their rifle ammunition
>a French legionnaire maneuvered a VAB infantry armored vehicle after the first explosion into the middle of the entrance to block access to any other potential VBIEDs, then used the 12.7mm heavy machine gun turret to return fire on enemy forces.
>When the attack began with the first VBIED, it was 2pm., nap time for everyone in this region due to the weather. The captain then jumped out of his tent (poorly dressed, because it is nap time...), combat boots not laced, helmet quickly put on his head, and combat vest quickly donned… He immediately began to command the defense with a combat group available, and support staff (see below). He was completely dressed only at the end of the attack 6 hours later, after the last adversary was neutralized and that a legionnaire has meanwhile brought him something to wear.
>At least one site major (a chief warrant officer, in charge of the defense and day-to-day organization), an operator for various support missions (catering, refrigeration, air conditioning…), and a cook (both master corporals) issued from French-based military bases thus participated, getting into position ready to respond, carrying out effective counter fires to neutralize at least 2 attackers, carrying out medical extractions under fire, and providing first aid.
>jihadis plan and execute a well -organized and equipped surprise attack which could have easily overrun a FOB had it not been..
>.. stopped dead in its tracks by defenders led by a naked captain and his French chefs, all furious at having been disturbed during nap time.
let us not forget the french coined the term war
Just the way it was worded made me laugh
okay thanks good to know I didn't sorry
>A Romanian-born military medical assistant (a master corporal) of the French Foreign Legion (from the 1st Foreign Regiment, Regiment étranger or RE) was seriously wounded by assisting other inured comrades, and legitimately awarded during the last Camerone (with a Cross for Military and a bronze palm).
>He was shot in the right eye, and a bullet hit his brain.
>French specialist surgeons in neurosurgery were flown from France few hours after the attack to perform medical operations on Malian soil, and avoid transport of the injured legionnaire not yet stabilized.
First World country don't operate on the same level than other. Can you imagine neurosurgeron being flown from Russia to save a Wagnerite who got his brain scrambled?
>Can you imagine neurosurgeron being flown from Russia to save a Wagnerite who got his brain scrambled?
not how you might think
how are they selecting draftees this is retarded
everything russia does is retarded
I remember reading about 10 years ago the army was protesting moving from rags to socks
Recruiting offices just don't know what he made carrier in neurosurgery. On paper employers send info about peoples employment to military and requirement should make notes and divide draftees into categories so they don't draft such first. Also if they lack new data about draftee they should manually contact them and fill gaps of knowledge.
But all this in theory. In realty when mobilizations started there were cases when military auditor's found huge packs of unopened letters send from employers to recruiting offices with information about employment accumulated for decades. They never bothered top open them and fill data into draftees dossiers. Why bother? Nobody would announce mobilization in Russia lolololol. And then SHTF.
the people in charge got quotas and don't care about anything else
To be fair it's very french, France is basically the last country to still have actual doctors on the frontline.
It's very doctrinal in france not to move the injured if you can. If you have a bus crash for exemple they rather build the hospital in the nearest field/gymnasium instead of doing a noria of ambulances to the closest hospital.
Same goes for the army it's better to fly the surgeon to the injured than fly the injured to the surgeon if you can.
>wanted a ditch set back far enough to keep VBIEDs from getting close
that makes sense, but you would want the ditch dug so the MGs can get enfilading fire down it, as it is right now its good cover for an attacking force
the french love rifle grenades
taking cover in that ditch is just putting you at a fixed and known distance for a few frags
"oh non Pierre it would seem that les negres are in ze trench we dug, oui Pierre the one 50 meters out"
usually, they built a second ring around the main walls so that long range cannons would have to punch through the embankment before hitting the main wall
also makes it harder to saturate the defenders area with mortar fire, since they have to hit the main bastion as well as the external walls and so will take pressure off any single point
and it meant just another hoop for the attackers to have to break through
It's anti tank ditch (against VBIEDs). Ditches have problems rats can hid there. Sometimes you need to drive APC close to ditch and flush rats out. But looking over parapet over every segment of the ditch is not convenient. With such design you can drive APC to the line start atbd swipe with APC mounted machingun entire length of the line.
>It's anti tank ditch (against VBIEDs). Ditches have problems rats can hid there. Sometimes you need to drive APC close to ditch and flush rats out. But looking over parapet over every segment of the ditch is not convenient. With such design you can drive APC to the line start atbd swipe with APC mounted machingun entire length of the line.
This answer is satisfactory, keep them pinned down and send a vehicle out to clear the ditches
is a good example of the bastions on the inner fort having enfilade down the walls of the outer defenses. its 100x bigger than the one in OPs pic though.
Others have explained the functions but the shape itself is indeed completely pointless apart from aesthetics.
What is the point of the outer star fort
you ever see the vid of a truck bomb driving into a fort
It's a design perfected against line of sight weapons
Star forts still make a lot of sense and the only reason they aren't used more is they take more effort than a box.
In the current times they are too vulnerable to indirect fire. They are only being used here since random insurgents don't have tons of artillery (and even if they did air and counter battery would shreck them the moment they revealed themselves).
Think about it.
Proper trench lines, ya know like kursk and stuff, is just a really big and long starfort.
If you think about it just the right amount.
Anyway they are no more or less vounerable to indirect fire than a square camp. It's just that in modern conventional warfare combat tends to happen along contiguous lines and not be bands walking about sieging forts. Thus the technical knowledge required to design a starfort properly isn't maintained and in asymmetric circumstances when they are relevant the knowledge isn't there on how to make them.
Well except for the French apparently. Tho the images shown isn't very well developed Fort wise
>modern conventional warfare combat tends to happen along contiguous lines
Only when space is limited and both sides have time to flood in reserves. There were no continuous lines in either Iraq war, or even along most of the border in the Iran-Iraq war, none of the Arab-Israeli wars, the Syrian civil war and related ISIS war, or even the Kyiv campaign in the Russo-Ukrainian war.
Still less so than a city of tall apartment blocks, which is the most common form of modern fortification after trenches.
Yeah, but the apartments are already there. That's the theme of a lot of fortifications post WWII (arguably post WWI but there were holdouts still). Trenches, pillboxes, etc are not superior to a polygonal fort, but they are way cheaper and harder to target being dispersed and concealed. Nothing can stand up to concentrated firepower of explosive shells and still be effective militarily. But if you are spread out enough, the enemy can't concentrate enough firepower to get everyone. Modern PGM's only emphasize this fact further. A fort is better than a commie block, but forts require you to build a bunch of shit. No country can build more forts than what the civilian housing industry can provide apartments.
I don't know, I think Polygonal forts might be better than Star Forts.
there's no air support and nignog too retarded to use indirect fire
We've been building great star forts since the 17th century, thanks to Vauban.
>since the 17th century
Star forts were already common in the 1500s
>thanks to Vauban.
He didn't invent star forts, just build a bunch of good ones and invent reliable methods of taking them.
did he say something else you little son of a smelly moron ? Fucking reddit moron trying to make an argument out of thin air.
Its a good shape greg
yeah. they're pretty cool
You could've posted a better angle shot m8 It's way more impressive that way
Gee Bill! How come your mom lets you have two moats?
>Why is France building Star Forts in Africa
Because france is based af
Let the French build their forts, they know what to do with them still. Try to learn, because it's super cool, and the last time the US tried to use French forts they fucked up the strat.
Close to the end of the Second World War, during the battle in Berlin, the citadel became a part of the city's defences. Although several hundred years old, the Citadel's tracé à l'italienne design made the structure difficult to storm. So instead of bombarding and storming the Citadel, the Soviets invested it and set about negotiating a surrender. After negotiations, the citadel's commander surrendered to the Lieutenant-General Perkhorovitch's 47th Army just after 15:00 on 1 May 1945, saving many lives and leaving the Renaissance bastion fort intact.
Modern Russians must be seething they left some European heritage intact. I'm surprised they didn't dynamite it during the Cold War.
>I made one mistake in my life, I didn't burn Berlin!
>saving many lives and leaving the Renaissance bastion fort intact
Probably executed all the surrendered defenders.
Perkhorovich was Belarusian
Can't bumrush the camp with VBIED
>tartarian pre-mudflood architecture. How did they build such things with bootstraps and buggies?
>and what does PrepHole think of this?
I think they're nice because the attacker is always getting shot from 2 walls
Very nice. I like star forts.
was it autism?
No, it was extremely efficient early modern era defense, every war waging learnt the hard way how hard to breach those things were
Now I want to write a zombie uprising or animals turn monsters story where the people in this community fight them off.
Those forts would make for some great world building cities. I always wondered if a PrepHole dnd campaign would be kino.
already done in world war z (the book of course)
From tiny to huge, they always look good.
would be sick if they repurposed this into a golf course.
That's literally the castle from Hamlet
>star fort theme golf
Someone call nintendie they've got work to do
Looks like a video game level
I love these two pictures, you can see a lot of the defenses still remaining if you compare to google maps.
those forts are easy to spot. a fun thing to do is to see if you can spot all "forts" around the city center of Paris using google maps without labels. i think my count got to 5 or 6 once.
Yep, spotting forts and defenses on google maps is actually one of my autistic hobbies that my wife makes fun of me for.
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Star fort. Ehs a cool guy and ect.
only works if you are fighting goat farmers
russians already perfected the trench building that can survive himars/m777/drone attacks
Based on their observed strategies so far (lines of vehicles and hordes of ground troops) I think they still be pretty effective. Especially considering Russia STILL hasn't obtained total air dominance yet.
The problem is that the time/resources put into building such a fort could be better spent on lots of other things.
>time and resource cost of digging
Not sure what Roman Legion you're in mate, but plant equipment has existed for some time.
>russians already perfected the trench building that can survive himars/m777/drone attacks
Another victim of alcoholism and krokodil, sad!
Why are anglo so obsessed and fascinated with what and why France do things? Looks like Frog derangement syndrome is a real thing...
??? Idk about the british but americans mostly love france. I love watching french neo colonial shenanigans in africa tbh
Why do the French project their own pugnaciousness onto everyone else? The average Anglo doesn’t have an issue with France, even the Brits consider the relationship to be a friendly rivalry.
When you think about it, England was a French colony. We are the same people in the end.
>Normans learned French so they were French.
I guess Jamaicans are English.
language dominance is a key component of maintaining one's culture, it's why the french barely speak occitan
>it's why the french barely speak occitan
This happened for entirely different, political, reasons, no war was fought over this. Regretably.
Even then it didn't really work, some French people still speak occitan, picard, breton, basque and alsacien, and their numbers are growing. Expect us, Parisian homosexuals.
non-parisien france doing their own thing and ideally nuking paris sounds like the turnaround we need
Literally, yes. Normans are one of the dozen of people who became French, because France is literally the Promised Land but less gnomish. France was founded through the union of half a dozen tribes and people under Merovech in order to push back the Huns and then again with Clovis against the Umayyad.
Normans are largely an english historical fiction.
You had "nordmens" warriors that took local nobles french wives generations before the invasion and got completely integrated because it was the wives that educated the children in Frankish traditions.
Then the french invaded BTFO the actual english and ruled for centuries but it sounded better when unifiying the kingdom to pretend everyone were viking rape babies.
Don't believe me easy take a """Norman""" text and show it to a french. I guarantee you they can read it. Today after nearly a thousand year of language evolution.
Because it's pure french with barely any alteration not even old frankish or let alone a mix of nordic and old french.
Meanwhile nobody can read what the angles were writting.
> Netflix pumps shows after shows about Nords being retarded white chad savages that rapes and guts out everything that walks around. Everyone gobbles it up.
Meanwhile in reality this is how a Nord warrior addressed a Catholic pontif.
> "TO THE ILLUSTRIOUS AND DUTIFULLY TO BE VENERATED BISHOP ADALBERO. WHOM HIGH BIRTH ADORNS. WHOM WISDOM GRACES. SITTING ERECT IN THE EPISCOPAL CHAIR OF THE HOLY CHURCH OF GOD AT LAON. FROM DUDO. DEAN OVER THE CONGREGATION OF SAINT QUENTIN. A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP OF A FLOCK THAT HAS BEEN ENTRUSTED TO HIM IN THE SIGHT OF DIVINE MAJESTY. THE FAME OF YOUR MOST GLORIOUS NAME. AS IT IS EXALTED QUITE DISTINCTLY BY YOUR BRIGHTNESS TO A SUPERLATIVE SUMMIT HIGHER THAN THE [CEDAR] (note 1) OF LEBANON. proclaimed more widely than the earth's broad out-stretched length and spacious out-spread breadth. is publicly prominent. No one who understands the words of the lord speaking to Nichodemus. the spirit blows where it will. does not know; for. as is made evident to human sights by your revealing lustre. you surpass the loftiness of all other prelates through the seed of your high birth and the bounty of your merit; having become for everyone an adequate relief and having been made all things to all people. Wherefore are you. pontifical apex. "
French military stuff is just cool
Looks demonic which is fitting
what are some schizo redpills about forts?
europeans are gay so they use the bastioni as ritual gay orgy spots and cover them in cum
every man who storms a star fort becomes sick with the gay disease
oh and obviously garden gnomes designed them so this design being good is because of gnomish death magicks
the floors and walls are so thick you can just bury shit inside
they've dug up bits of bodies
what the fuck else do you think is buried in those things....
French honhonhon military engineers in 1600's argued that this is LE MEILLEUR ZE BEST defensive design, french military remained sceptical
When the engineers finally got their way and the fort has been made, over 9000 gorrillion stronk enemy force couldn't take it and took bazillion casualties storming it
French military shat brix seeing the results
Since then all European militaries started to build this style of fortification for next two centuries
Only modern heavy artillery [as in modern shells with explosive filler, cannonball artillery didn't work] and aviation renders this fort type obsolete...
...but against opponents like sandmorons and moron wewuzkangz warlords that have no artillery and no aviation it magically grants a taste of unfiltered medieval era experience for the nignog raghead attackers if you know what I mean
>autistic focus on math, shapes, set number of points, fractal imagery
Star forts are schizo by default
Because author was history fag. Though such first have some merits because of the same reasons they had in the past (firelines coverage and fire ports protection).
Franks' castles are 25% cheaper
hyped for the romans?
"With a star fort, you can go anywhere you want," said Pierre, out loud.
It makes sense given the technological state of Africa
>what does PrepHole think of this?
That I am happy the French are more or less allies (or at least friendly partners). If they want to take point in Africa on maintaining/spreading democratic ideals and advancing global stability than I'm all for it.
The lease the chinese had on the europeans colonies is up, and they now must stop pretending they don't need their colonies and resume occupying their land in africa.
I wish we had burger kings though.
Anon we already have 470 Burger King in France
We don't have Burger Kings in French bases in Niger or Tchad.
So that we turn into obese monsters too?
Eat the "pâtes de fruits" and the 1848 chocolate of your ration de combat
>pâtes de fruits
is it as nice as it looks?
200% but expect to shit soft/liquid turds afterwards
Star fort thread?
>Why is France building Star Forts in Africa
because they look cool
>what does PrepHole think of this?
anyone with iq over 20 think they're cool therefore PrepHole is divided in their opinion
What makes star forts better than other forts?
It's hard to shoot straight down from on top of the walls, so with older castles an attacker that made it to the wall could usually find kinda sorta safe-ish places to catch his breath and prepare for his next move. With a star fort there's no such place, at any and all spots along the wall there's at leats one, and usually two directions from which the defenders will have an excellent shot at you. Especially if you use the "niches" at the base of the points for heavy weapons, they'll be relatively well protected there while being able to sweep the base of the walls clean.
Cause it looks cool
it's a pedo symbol
Fr*nch soldiers sodomized boys in Central Africa
>t. projecting vatnik/Wagnerite
starforts indepth are the pinnacle of fortification
Africans don't have access to artillery. Star Forts are great at fucking with LoS weapons.
Isis is stupid