Why is delta force selection a 40 mile ruck march?

Why is delta force selection a 40 mile ruck march?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of delta force when we have drones anyway?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >what is moravec's paradox
      The more you automate, the harder it gets to automate the rest, and the more critical the remaining humans become.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's not Moravec's paradox, you moron. The actual paradox is that higher level intelligence is extremely easy to replicate with AI's (strategy, speaking, art, etc), but more 'simple' animal-like tasks like walking or navigating an environment are difficult.
        This is because the more 'simple' tasks are actually only simple because we've had several billion years to deal with the problem of a near infinite amount of information that is involved when doing something as basic as walking from one point of a room to another. Our brains have learned to ignore the vast majority of this information and only focus on what is relevant. For an AI, determining what is relevant and what isn't involves analyzing all of the information - which as said before, is nearly infinite, just think about how many individual points exist in the room you're sitting in - and then determining if something is relevant to the point A to point B path. Meanwhile, our brains just throw out anything we don't care about instantly without any effort at all.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Derp, you're right. It was Bainbridge not Moravec.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We just don't know.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why does your mom succ me so good thru my jorts?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because they dont want some b***hass with weak ankles

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its probably good to find out that you have a medical condition before you're behind enemy lines

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    marching with a ruck is the most basic infantry job. all it requires is simple the discipline to do the prep work and deal with pain and discomfort and competence in looking after your shit by yourself in the field. that's it. if you're not up to that then why would they both spending the time and money to train you on the ninja shit, most of which is built from the exact same foundations.

    it's the most simple and effective selection tool there is. if you can't do basic infantry work like that then you're not up to the rest of the shit they need you to do. yes, it's more than normal infantry but then so is the job you're applying for.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's not a ruck march on a road, it's rucking 40 miles on rough terrain with an unknown time limit.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Selecting people for special units is somewhat subjective. The only test which is objectively proven-reliable to modern armies for filtering between good and bad is long distance rucking.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They want you lean and mean, and smart enough to hike 40 miles without royally fricking yourself up, which is what 90% of waterhead boots do when they have to ruck 5 miles, or 12, let alone 40
      So if you are competent to walk long distances carrying a modest load, which humans have been doing for 300,000 years until now, you are elite SOF material!

      and this

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's 1 mile per dick they've sucked to get to that point which is typically around 40

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Hot take: the March is not the selection process. It begins the moment you step foot into the military. Hell, it began the moment you were born. Everything in your life has led you to that point of marching 40 miles. And the recruiters wil, be scrutinizing everything you've done since then. All the hike does is give them an easy reason to shitcan someone, but if you're truly what they want, the hike will be no hill for a big stepper

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I've heard this before in a biography about bong SOF. That they'd bring up run times and scores from boot camp and ask the SAS applicant to explain why they didn't try as hard on those occasions.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is true for the top places, but also, the fact that selection tests arent really tests. You already passed when you were admitted for the tests, they just want to assess if what you already are is good enough or not, hence they use land nav, ruck marches, etc.. but there's nothing there you can "overcome" or "learn", you were capable already when they admitted you to screen for their unit.

      That's why you can't really prepare for selection, and why many people that do fail. It's because in order to become Delta / SEAL / whatever you must already be one, in a way, then skim through selection as the capable man they're looking for.

      The based JTF2 guy on the Shawn Ryan show said as much, that they're not looking for you to learn anything new or become better and that the selection process isnt an obstacle you must learn to overcome, but rather that they already selected you based on the previous fitness / intelligence / records etc... stats you had and that you're just expected to go through the tests from then on, if that makes sense.

      They also said once you're over the standard physical requirements it didnt matter if you could do 120 pushups or 1200, since they would push you to 130 or 1300 anyways and tire you regardless. Same for swimming, running etc... so assessment is more of a mental thing.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's 100% mental. Anyone can do pushups; the man they're looking for will do pushups until told to stop

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is true for the top places, but also, the fact that selection tests arent really tests. You already passed when you were admitted for the tests, they just want to assess if what you already are is good enough or not, hence they use land nav, ruck marches, etc.. but there's nothing there you can "overcome" or "learn", you were capable already when they admitted you to screen for their unit.

      That's why you can't really prepare for selection, and why many people that do fail. It's because in order to become Delta / SEAL / whatever you must already be one, in a way, then skim through selection as the capable man they're looking for.

      The based JTF2 guy on the Shawn Ryan show said as much, that they're not looking for you to learn anything new or become better and that the selection process isnt an obstacle you must learn to overcome, but rather that they already selected you based on the previous fitness / intelligence / records etc... stats you had and that you're just expected to go through the tests from then on, if that makes sense.

      They also said once you're over the standard physical requirements it didnt matter if you could do 120 pushups or 1200, since they would push you to 130 or 1300 anyways and tire you regardless. Same for swimming, running etc... so assessment is more of a mental thing.

      Are you trying to say there isn't a actual time limit? People that have done the course will tell you otherwise. Candidates will fail if they don't complete it on time.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually roughly a month of daily rucks. 40 mile r is the very final event.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's a test of both endurance and mental fortitude. Not everyone can just bite the bullet and keep pushing, despite pain and exhaustion
    The point in doing something this isn't to push your body to its limits, it's to see whether you are willing to do that yourself

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    why is the fan dance part of SAS selection?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It includes land nav and a time limit. Those of you who have never done a 24 mile forced march don't know the misery, even with just weapon, helmet, armored vest, and 45lb ruck. You don't get to rest or take a break. Your shoulders are on fire, your body is completely out of energy, and it's all the vast majority of people can do to keep putting one foot in front of the other. If you think that it's literally "just" a 40 mile ruck for selection, you're crazy. Do you really think the premier special operations unit is just going to let you progress after simply proving you're fit and that you want it? There are frick-frick games; guaranteed.

    The beauty of a long ruck is that pretty much anyone can do it. We are, after all, endurance machines. The point of a long ruck is that it tests your heart more than anything else. No matter how fit you are, 40 miles under a combat load fricking SUCKS. It's never going to not suck. You really have to want it, and no matter how gung-ho you are going in, you're probably going to find out you really just don't want it that bad.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I would imagine its for

    1. A test of your physical ability but most importantly

    2. Who you are as a person, are you willing to subject your self the something that just 12 let alone 20 miles can fricking suck, in rough terrain more than likely you'll have little sleep, just enough food and water to keep you alive, and probably in less than preferable weather. It's a simple task that's amazing at filtering out people and determine who should or shouldn't be selected

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of anons are looking at selection side, but traveling vast distances on foot for infiltration is expected of SF as well

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Any examples of real world missions where delta force had to walk very long distances?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Mogadishu when they had to run back to base? They always seem to get in and out by chopper or car

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > very long
          > Mogadishu

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lots of running around happened before the Mog mile too, anon.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Analysis after the fact for one of my briefs for a SJOTF-OIR deployment came to the conclusion that altogether it was 3-4 miles of running in kit along with sprinting for 1~ mile altogether. But this is aside from the point, that my response was to "Any examples of real world missions where delta force had to walk very long distances", which Mogadishu was neither very long, or walking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                CJTF-OIR, sorry, drinking.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not Delta, but similar.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravo_Two_Zero

        Oddly enough almost every “elite” SOF unit gets outmaneuvered by a bunch of skinnies or goat herders that can run/crawl mountain sides all day.
        Third world tough isn’t a joke.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Well you see this in rural areas as well as third world countries: humans in these places are resilient as frick. You know, the moor in flipflops that goes up the Atlas in Morocco like its nothing and runs back down again, the babushka carrying 150kg of logs on her back at 85, the gramps doing the plumbing and the garden and chopping wood... theyre just rugged and built like oxes / gazelles

          SF in the first world usually have to recruit from soft first world environments, so of course there are outliers that are tough / strong / fast / etc.. but they are still crammed with gear and shit, whereas in all of human history we see warriors only carry the bare minimum that was necessary. It's how they shat all over that Green Beret that dressed like the afghans and did what the afghans did instead of wearing cammies and hueg backpacks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not Delta, but similar.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravo_Two_Zero

            Oddly enough almost every “elite” SOF unit gets outmaneuvered by a bunch of skinnies or goat herders that can run/crawl mountain sides all day.
            Third world tough isn’t a joke.

            > tfw this ignores the 99.9% of the time where the locals get absolutely fricking crushed
            > some weird cope about muh noble savage instead of accepting the reality that "watching your enemy land in your home where your friends are gives you a massive defensive advantage"
            Neither of you have visited the third world, clearly
            They are tiny, scrawny 80 IQ brownoids who get lucky here and there, and we romanticize le heckin' dirty gritty brownoids in media. My Platoon used to wrestle our Iraqi and Afghan counterparts all the time, even our scrawniest twink would throw their best dudes around like it wasn't shit. But none of that shit matters, because "sitting where these people live for 20 years" is stupid, and no amount of being in better shape and tougher makes you immune to 7.62 on a long enough time scale.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What's crazy is they can't do basic exercises western kids do in school. They can't even run on flat ground.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Every early OEF mission. They were walking around mountains the whole time.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Rucking is painful, boring, and depending on the weather/terrain absolutely miserable

    It’s also the #1 infantry activity

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I actually much prefer rucking in the rain or light snow to direct sunlight just because you stay cool.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason the insignia is a tiny knife in a buttplug.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a poor ass conscript and I marched 40 miles in full gear and a ruck.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Actually it was 50 miles and not just marching. It really isn't anything spectacular, I was a fat frick before I got conscripted and was in average shape even after I got released

      Humans literally evolved to walk long distances under load. Anyone who isn't sickly or elderly can easily walk 24 hours straight if they hydrate themselves

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is this one of those things where you didn't actually straight ruck 50 miles, but took breaks, did other tasks, etc.? Literally "just walk 50 miles at a good pace no stops"? I've done 40 miles before, straight rucking without a stop at all, and I'd be a fricking liar to say that more than a small percentage of the global population could do it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We did pushups with the rucks among other things like scaling a small hill, scaling it down, scaling it up agaun

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah that's not as hard. I've done similar a few times, and even just stopping for a few minutes to get smoked with pushups/carries/etc is way better.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            True, I think you're right

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The difference is these guys do it by themselves and need to walk as fast as possible because they don't know the time limit. This is the final test in selection. Most people don't even make it this far.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A 40 mile ruck is guaranteed to weed both the weak and the "sane" (because you're guaranteed to have knee/back/etc. problems by the time you're 40 due to the intensity of the training/lifestyle).

    SF wants people who are smart, but also kind of dumb in that they're willing to break their own bodies over it.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is delta force selection a 40 mile ruck march?
    Good nobody want to have some gay gym bros in the military

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Plenty of muscular guys can do that anon. Myself included.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Those guys are walking flat paved roads at a slow pace. Delta selection is conducted in the mountains and they have to walk as fast as possible.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    On top of what others said, a month of consecutive ruck marches is the only way to make sure no female will pass selection.

    The marathon runners females will not be to handle the ruck weight, the muscle women will not have the stamina to ruck so many hours, And for the rare female that can handle the march, a series of marches will surely provoke some stress bone fractures that will frick her up.

    To pass Delta selection you must also be a decent swimmer, the rumor is that the founder put it to weed out most of the blacks.

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