Why European cant fifth generation?

China has two.
US has two.
Russia has one.
Korean has one.
Why European cant? I thought Europeans are smart people.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ching chong

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mutt

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For a single EU country the costs of such a programme are to high.
    Not as in, they don't have enough money, but they are not willing to spend so much on a single undertaking.
    And when European countries get together, wether Germany or France, or the UK and France, frogs usually tend to pull out, are not willing to cooperate with their partners and are being a general nuisance.
    So yeah, they buy American instead.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this but add germongs to the list of uncooperative shits

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong, Frenchtards are far worse at this. Perfect example being the Eurofighter.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For a single EU country the costs of such a programme are to high.
          Not as in, they don't have enough money, but they are not willing to spend so much on a single undertaking.
          And when European countries get together, wether Germany or France, or the UK and France, frogs usually tend to pull out, are not willing to cooperate with their partners and are being a general nuisance.
          So yeah, they buy American instead.

          Kraut and Bong morons tongue my sweaty cheesy summer anus.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            tu ne vaux pas mieux

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fuck off tourist

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sad truth about EU in general. It is a autistic version of mexican stand where it is everybody waits for other ones to bend the knee.
        Honestly I don't think it would be much better if f-35 was made by several companies instead of just one.
        Eu really needs to stop acting this retarded and make 5th gen fighter plane and sell them at discount to EU members and export rest.

        Why are Euros this way?
        What is even the point of the European union if their industry refuses to cooperate?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What is even the point of the European union
          European market and Schengen area, to a large extent.
          >if their industry refuses to cooperate?
          It's more complicated than that. Ultimately, everyone wants their own country to benefit the most. Because of this, it's hard to come up with terms that everyone agrees to. That's not to mention if one country suddenly decides they want to change the terms or pull out completely.
          And remember, governments change every four years, often times very radically, not to mention that countries may often face domestic issues that can impair their participation and therefore the project as a whole
          Ultimately it boils down to
          >Europe is not a unified country, do not expect it to act like one

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What is even the point of the European union if their industry refuses to cooperate
          To enslave Europeans

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sad truth about EU in general. It is a autistic version of mexican stand where it is everybody waits for other ones to bend the knee.
      Honestly I don't think it would be much better if f-35 was made by several companies instead of just one.
      Eu really needs to stop acting this retarded and make 5th gen fighter plane and sell them at discount to EU members and export rest.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's Tempest at least
        Hopefully get into that proposed EU-lite and we finally have a Jsp/Euro sixth gen

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong, Frenchtards are far worse at this. Perfect example being the Eurofighter.

      >French are Le bad

      You guys suck ass at making planes and refuse to hear us when we say we need the aircraft to be able to x and y tasks.

      Ex: The Rafale. We needed a multi-role fighter with carrier-borne-capability, while Germany and UK, and others wanted a dedicated interceptor. That's why we left.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the french are the best aircraft manufacturers in europe
      they dont need the rest of europe to bog them down
      the rafale beat an F22 at a war games dogfight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the rafale beat an F22 at a war games dogfight
        >The rafale beat AN F-22
        >In a DOGFIGHT

        Lmao even if this was true it's truly pathetic the lengths that Frogs will go to claim the Rafale does anything better than ANY given US 4.5th gen fighter let alone the F-22 or F-35. Tell me, what's the F-22 to Rafale kill ratio? Because raising it from 100-0 to 100-1 isn't as big of a victory as you seem to think.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >at a war games

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        war games said Poland would be Russian territory in 3 months. They have absolutely no correlation to reality, never have and never will

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol delusional retard, that's why they have the illustrious military powers of Croatia, Egypt, Greece, India, Indonesia, Qatar and UAE as their only customers?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and the egypt and india deals are being investigated for corruption lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But you always surrender at the first hint of real combat, in all seriousness why do you think the French character displays consistent cowardice?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the rafale beat an F22 at a war games dogfight
        An A-10 beat an F-22 and F-16 in a war games dogfight. It's meaningless you stupid frog.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >frogs usually tend to pull out, are not willing to cooperate with their partners and are being a general nuisance.
      Welcome to another episode of "Anglo-German" scum being eternally butthurt and mad about France

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly why UK partnering with Japan. EU mic is too politically sensitive to allow for effective cooperation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, what do you expect from us? Our history has been different flavor of killing each other until we discovered killing morons was more fun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France alone could build it probably, but military seems to be underfunded starting from the Holland times, cause meh social security.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As a Britbong: Excellent job pissing off every salty bong/frog/kraut this is fucking hilarious. Especially good at annoying the Frogs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look at the fucking state of UK stupig Rossbeef

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Korean
    no they don't? The KF-21 isn't one

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia
    >Korea
    4.5 gen at best. One is a minor upgrade for the Su 35 and one is can't even carry internal weapons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The (first) prototype doesn't carry internal weapons, the series literally will.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they used their pretty little head and bought f-35s like a good girl

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why don't F-35 partners develop their own 5th gen

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but muh free healthcare
    it means fuckall if you're dead

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europe is ran by rich old farts that literally launder money instead of investing it in overpriced projects. They don't give a fuck about anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you talking about US ?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Impressive.

    With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you post the wrong one every time
      Impressive.
      With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese
      >nuclear fusion imitation sun
      >plasma stealth technology
      >undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles
      >gaseous rubidium technology
      >quantum direct-current electricity
      >neutrino submarine detectors
      >hypersaturised turnpin computing
      >polygonical airfighters
      >rehubridating fields
      >refined pneumaticism
      >gamma titanium mono crystal turbines
      >mono-edge wertens
      >quantum aircraft carriers
      >double-pointed Heinmann engines
      >unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks
      >self-building submersible mines
      >protocratistic neural administration
      >hypervelocity air brolisters
      >tetrahedronical gas grenades
      >near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles
      >neuvon construction facilities
      >super light tanks
      >+2km range airburst rifles
      >quantum enhanced railguns
      >neurolaser satellite imaging
      >5G Remote Surgery
      >enhanced cobcrete
      >concretium superstructures
      >vao tree botanies
      >inverse particle accelerators
      >magnetized plasma cannons
      >trilithium retrigration reactors
      >vurticity ejectors
      >plasticized heat-seeking pyroammunition
      >quantum retrograde griminite airships
      >and quantum superalloy drones
      will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Based Charlie Magne Poster

        Until China's economy melts down, lol.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2 more weeks!
          Idiot

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its in its way

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uh is the FC-31 even in production? Last I heard only the J-20 is in any noticeable numbers, so doesn't China have just 1? If a prototype counts than might as well give Turkey a 5th generation jet too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the turkish one doesn't fly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't that mean the americans already have a 6th generation jet then? Since didn't a fully functional NGAD prototype finish its' flight in 2020 or at least was reported to?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >americans already have a 6th generation jet then?
          Probably but why would let anyone know

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wouldn't that mean the americans already have a 6th generation jet then?
          5+ for sure. Avionics and engine are probably about 5-10 years away.
          And I'm Chinese.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia and Korea don't

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only the US builds true 5th gens, and recent conflicts show they are complete overkill for what any possible adversary can field to counter them. The others "5th gens" have the 5th gen edgy stealth look but lack severaly in key 5th gen aspects mainly avionics, network integration and stealth (suboptimal engine integration and internal weapon carrying capacity). They will have a hard time even reaching Typhoons, Rafale, and late model F-15 performance/capability wise.

    Europe flies around in a mixture of (upgraded) 4 /4.5/5th gens, and that is more than enough to counter any threat for the next few decades. And for the period after that they have multiple development programs running that either work on 5/6 gen platforms or 5/6 gen technologies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >look but lack severaly in key 5th gen aspects mainly avionics, network integration and stealth
      what's your source? Your fucking asshole?
      Why do you think the Chinese airborne AESA on the J20 isn't LPI capable?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Call it what you want but the F22 mogs everything in the sky and that's why we don't export it to any nation

      Next is the F35

      Next is the KF21

      The Russian and Chinese crap would struggle against an F15

      Rafale and Typhoon below F15 too

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fighter jet tech today is US > SK > decade+ gap > Russia > China > Eurofighter > Dassault

        Everything below these might as well be remote control toy airplanes found at a radio shack

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >SK
          moron please.
          It hasn't even finished a 4.5th gen fighter that all the major powers (US, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Russia, and China) did decades ago while the rest are working on 6th gen.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol nips know they are castrated midgets

            There's an argument to put UK, France, Russia and China on par with SK military grade aerospace tech but Germany and Japan is pure delusion

            Germany has good land tech but nothing in the skies

            Japan has literally nothing and can't even produce 1990s vintage weaponry let alone an operational 4 gen fighter, a 6 gen fighter from Japan is the same as saying Nigeria is working on a 6 gen fighter, so ludicrous it engenders laughter among any rational person

            The 6 gen they are connected with is basically playing the role of Indonesia in the KF21, just like SK (with LM) did 100% of the everything, the Brits are going to be doing 100% of everything with Japs only contribution being capital and probably not even having full access the confidential R&D developments lol, this is not even factoring that its going to realistically be 30+ years before any operational model is in the skies and by that time the US will be at 8 gen and SK will be at 7 or 8 gen, the fact that the UK is trying to get as many F35s as possible should tell you something about this 6 gen effort

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok moron, keep believing that. In fact, there is a wonderful place for brilliant analysts called reddit. You should absolutely go there, clearly our PrepHole smoothbrains can't understand your logic.

              I've never set foot in SK, but just this past week of your shitty shill threads has made me wish we just let you get conquered back in the 50s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck off back to your chud porn gay nobody gives a shit about your entitled kind anymore and there is a reason why everybody in the world hates your kind dumbass

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is the same type of gay that wishes the germans finished the job with the garden gnomes for no other reason than his life is a failure so blame those that succeed for all of his shortcomings, the only good thing about this is at they eventually expose themselves like rats and are inevitably exterminated

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I got no dog in the fight and never stepped foot in germany or israel but every time I hear about the mossad or some mysterious painful death of a kraut associated with the nazi it feels like justice is being served in this universe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you think Russia is ahead of Firefighter and Rafale, you're nuts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and that's why we don't export it to any nation
        More like the paint alone was a state secret the US couldn't afford to lose as it could be applied on any other plane, the F22 is also strictly an air-superiority plane when everyone want multi-role now and know that level of stealth is more of a luxury.
        A Rafale can and did outmaneuver the heavier F22, the cold-war F22 was not built to share targeting data either, which is were the F35 turd shine most.
        The US are learning from the F35 clusterfuck and are designing high-attrition wingmen drones to take the bigger risk and the hits.

        The 6th generation fighter will not survive on stealth alone, they will need wingmen drones and active decoys.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >designing high-attrition wingmen drones to take the bigger risk and the hits
          Which in practice will turn out to be even more expensive than manned aircraft

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Which in practice will turn out to be even more expensive than manned aircraft
            If they let Lockheed do the drone like the F35 yes.
            In theory there's no way the drones can be less survivable/stealthy than the manned aircraft. The only reason we still need pilot is to take unexpected decision.

            There's also the question of wether or not modern airfighter would actually survive modern air defense.
            Ukraine isn't a good indicator since both side use Soviet-old equipments, the TB2 is a really small, cheap and rather discreet drone.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And a German F-4 blew the fucking Rafale out five times in wargames. In practice everyone knows the Rafale will never equal the combat ability of a F-22.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thats was proven false

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The F4 is actually a solid jet fighter but its 1960s vintage, but the Rafale is almost as big a scam as the eurofighter, who besides France uses the Rafale? Egypt and India and they are both being investigated for corruption, the US won't even give India F4s/F5s let alone even F16s and that's the only reason why India buys the Rafale lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >late model F-15
      F-15EX is lookin' pretty groovy, baby.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >China has two.
    Literally and optimistically

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Blame Germany (and the US who lobby to sell their F35)
    France want to develop the FCAS without asking for anyone's secrets.
    But Germany is greedy and want everyone's secret or they don't work on the project. Especially France who could do the FCAS on their own, just cheaper.

    For Germany military spending was (is still?) only a mean to keep the industries working, like "who care if Russia attack? Big bro America will sell us weapons."
    The US of course is more than happy to do that, if Germany never learn to produce their own weapon, it will be too late to try making 6th or 7th generations airfighter and with networked equipments and drones they won't be able to replace one without loosing another.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Especially France who could do the FCAS on their own, just cheaper.
      I look forward to hearing about the completion of this project never.
      France should just be happy that Germany is willing to put up with their undeserved arrogance.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germany are the arrogant one, France did the Rafale alone and it is superior to the Eurofighter in every way, it's also more cost-effective than the F35.
        Now Germany make all of Europe wait because they believe they deserve control over every aspect of the FCAS when France support "everyone will do what they do best" and Germany isn't better.

        Germany is weak politically, that's why they let themselves get tricked into giving up nuclear energy, took 60% of their gas from Russian, and keep falling to US lobbying.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Delusional, the fact that the Eurofighter has the UK(BAE) in it makes it superior to the Rafale

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          France should just tell Germany that they'll stop supplying energy.

          Germans fucked up the electrical grid completely using renewables, in the current situation, without a safe Russian gas-supply it's basically hanging on threads tied to french nuclear power-plants.
          German industry getting heat from natural and "biofuel" based gas will likely compete with private heating for supply in the winter. And the industry will get it as the factories must not cool down as this would destroy them.

          German foreign and energy policy is based on deliberately making the country dependent on parties the evil German (in the mind of German politics) might want to suddenly wage war against, this includes France, France only needs to use the cards Germany dealt it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You realize that France's nuclear power plants are currently off and they import coal energy from Germany?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This makes sense because it's summer and Germany can actually use the solar installations, it wouldn't be possible in winter as the "backup" for solar would have to be used by Germany itself.

              >Germans fucked up the electrical grid completely using renewables
              I wish...
              At least it would imply they did go green. But Nuclear energy is already the greenest you could do and in the end they did the opposite.

              >German foreign and energy policy is based on deliberately making the country dependent on parties the evil German (in the mind of German politics) might want to suddenly wage war against, this includes France,
              I almost want to believe that

              [...]
              Bad timing to do maintenance. The good news is France finally have a President who said "Let's build more newer nuclear reactor" instead of worrying about saying the bad word in front of ecologist.

              >I almost want to believe that
              A good presentation in German on the state of German energy production and consumption (a bit odd sentence structure but auto translated subtitles work):

              The basis for German politics is constant shame and fear remembering pic related.
              What differs between the classical German conservative and social-democrat parties and the modern left and Green is if national suicide is to consist of dissolving the country into the EU or if this suicide should also include demographics (as openly called for by members of the Green party).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it wouldn't be possible in winter
                they did last year january and by a cunthairs width nearly causes a Europe wide blackout

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Germans fucked up the electrical grid completely using renewables
            I wish...
            At least it would imply they did go green. But Nuclear energy is already the greenest you could do and in the end they did the opposite.

            >German foreign and energy policy is based on deliberately making the country dependent on parties the evil German (in the mind of German politics) might want to suddenly wage war against, this includes France,
            I almost want to believe that

            You realize that France's nuclear power plants are currently off and they import coal energy from Germany?

            Bad timing to do maintenance. The good news is France finally have a President who said "Let's build more newer nuclear reactor" instead of worrying about saying the bad word in front of ecologist.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is just NO military threat to Europe.
    To the north is ice. To the east is Russia, which is done. To the south is Africa, which has never been capable. To the west is America, which is an ally.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT obvious assravaged Amerimutt shills replying to an obvious assravaged Amerimutt shill in yet another scripted assravaged Amerimutt shill thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meds. Now.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    im a europoor and it's 100% due to the f16 working for the time being
    that's it.
    it's a good plane and what're we gonna do, start our own airplane R&D while the americans are lightyears ahead AND willing to share their f35? I'd like it more if every nation in EU had small arms manufacturing, less research and development and easier to start off with. Buy quality, Buy american

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Buy quality, Buy american
      you're 100% a fucking amerishart

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Name a better plane than the f22

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The 6th generation UK jet
          Just trust me bro, it really exists and evidence of its existence will be shown any day now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The British empire will be reinstated in two more weeks, just trust me.

        • 3 weeks ago
          afatoldman

          The F35 is better overall, given how much more versatile it is. It also has superior sensors, sensor fusion and datalinks.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No industry, we only have Airbus here building liners.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any failure of western European cooperation is a result of Russian and Chinese psyops. They helped engineer Brexit and actively try to divide the EU. Luckily Russia and China have the last couple of years reached record low approval in the EU population, so things might start to change. Way more than half of people see China and Russia as enemies according to polls. Even in Italy which signed the belt and road a vast majority now disapprove of China. Thanks Xi, if it wasn't for your chimp out China might have been able to divide us further.

    But to actually answer your question, it's because we leave that stuff to the Americans. They are, and always will be, out natural ally. We give them good trades, they design commie killers. Easy as.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Correction:

    US has two serial production gen 5's and several flying 6th gen prototypes
    Russia has 4.5 gen mock ups
    Korea has 4.5 gen mock ups
    China has serial production 4.5 gen
    Europe has.....hot gas

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why European cant fifth generation?
    it's not a mystery

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, the Europeans aren't willing to spend shitloads of money jsut to pull evne when they can get F-35s and meanwhile invest into a 6th gen program instead.

      Also,
      >thinking raw salary numbers actually tell anything useful

      Mutts not having a proper healthcare system by itself already eliminates that difference and then some. And let's not even get into purchasing power.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh healthcare
        I sure as hell love giving my money away so Achmed can have his 10 children and boomers get to go the hospital every week.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only thing Europe could do to change the problems created by social security is forced long-therm contraception (or vasectomy) for those living at the expense of tax-payers.
          US healthcare is actually a well working system, it's just overpriced, due to stupid unnecessary regulations. Tax-payer based healthcare expense of the US is similar to the EU.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If it was up to me then welfare shouldn’t be a thing at all unless you lost an arm while working or serving in the military, same goes for pension. If you don’t have 3+ children you will not be eligible to get pension but it’s way too late for that, Europe is an infertile boomercracy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Mutts not having a proper healthcare system by itself already eliminates that difference and then some
          You're retarded, there isnt a single engineer in the US that doesnt receive healthcare coverage from his employer.
          So no, the difference isnt made up, and under no circumstance or scenario are european engineer salaries comparable to ours.

          every house in America is air conditioned. jealous now?

          The only thing Europe could do to change the problems created by social security is forced long-therm contraception (or vasectomy) for those living at the expense of tax-payers.
          US healthcare is actually a well working system, it's just overpriced, due to stupid unnecessary regulations. Tax-payer based healthcare expense of the US is similar to the EU.

          If it was up to me then welfare shouldn’t be a thing at all unless you lost an arm while working or serving in the military, same goes for pension. If you don’t have 3+ children you will not be eligible to get pension but it’s way too late for that, Europe is an infertile boomercracy.

          Anyone who lives under a public healthcare system and actually shills in support of it is legitimately retarded.

          Getting a bit 4chan here anons.
          America is the country with the worse disparity between poor & wealthy, so you may want to check wether or not honest citizen are being taken advantage of by a plutocracy who would replace you by robots and "passively" let you starve to death the moment it become a possibility (if you aren't dead from some unregulated opioid drugs).

          Money sure get wasted in more social countries, but when setting the line (by democratic means) you may want to remember you could have been the one born unlucky.

          And to get back on topic: it's hard to work together on a same project if no one is willing to come to a compromise.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >could have been the one born unlucky
            I -was- born unlucky.
            My parents had me at age 19 while they were working minimum wage.
            I grew up poor as fuck, but now I'm an engineer whose bank account grows because of endless wars, and it was only possible thanks to being American.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >(both) parents working minimum wage
              >able to afford engineering school
              Sound unfathomably lucky & wealthy for many American who need 3 jobs to payback their own education.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I assume you're not American based on your phrasing, but the cost of college is primarily based on whether you're going to a private school or public school.
                When it comes to STEM, the differences in education quality are much more narrow when comparing private vs public.
                As an example, Berkeley, UMichigan, and Georgia Tech are all ranked in the top ~10-20 schools worldwide for engineering, but you could pay their tuition costs just by working at McDonalds while in school.
                Of course, there's the private schools like MIT and Stanford which are ranked in the top 10 but cost 5 times as much. And while they create geniuses with connections, they are not by any means required if your goal is just to get a well-paying engineering career.
                The whole "crippling student loan debt" meme is very real, but it's entirely from people that get gay humanities degrees from private no-name schools, just to end up unemployable because they cant just "go get a job at the local gender studies factory"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's also the US misconseption of "College Lifestyle" being part of European "Free Education" Dorms and food are never included in what is free.
                European free education is livig with your parents and working for low cost tuition or expensive housing.
                It's possible to lake out a loan and go to an expensive private university in europe, it's simply not considered reasonable to do so unless you parents are able to afford it.
                Pic related is also a good example of what the US riots about (as more parts of the US starts to look more like Europe with recent changes), assuming extremes to be normal outside the US, claiming what otheres consider reasonable to be draconian.
                It's the same people that cry about the loan they can't pay back for being drunk in an airconditioned dorm while studying humanities with no employment-options.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Pic related is also a good example of what the US riots about
                This is really getting out of topic and your pic is outdated (exactly by the end of June).
                ex: Tennessee, South-Carolina & Georgia heartbeat-bill make it illegal around 6 week.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbeat_bill#/media/File:Heartbeat_Bill.svg

                Any American should also know that even before Roe v Wade was overturned the conservative states were making it a legal clusterfuck to keep doctor from practicing abortion, a ban without saying it.
                A few of those "legal 21-31 week" also don't have providers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > As an example, Berkeley, UMichigan, and Georgia Tech are all ranked in the top ~10-20 schools worldwide for engineering, but you could pay their tuition costs just by working at McDonalds while in school.
                I graduated from UM AA with a BS-EE and this isn’t even remotely true.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its trivially easy to get a full ride through undergrad education in the US. In my state everyone who has halfway decent grades/test scores gets a full ride at the state university, which is decent. The only people with massive student loan debt either somehow fucked up high school bad enough to not get a full ride or tried to live beyond their means going to a private school instead of state

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its trivially easy to get a full ride through undergrad education in the US.
                you're full of shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but you’re probably just retarded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's full of shit and you're a retarded poorfuck.
                My top 10 US engineering school, when I went there, in a cohort of roughly 2000 students, handed out less than 50 full rides.

                You're retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >handed out less than 50 full rides
                Stupid bro alert

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you realize even merit scholarships consider need, right?
                How poor and dumb are you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was poor, and now I’m not, imagine paying for college lmao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Mutts not having a proper healthcare system by itself already eliminates that difference and then some
        You're retarded, there isnt a single engineer in the US that doesnt receive healthcare coverage from his employer.
        So no, the difference isnt made up, and under no circumstance or scenario are european engineer salaries comparable to ours.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh and I specified engineers having healthcare coverage, because I only care about us, not the average minimum wage retard, they can drown in medical debt for all I care

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        every house in America is air conditioned. jealous now?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone who lives under a public healthcare system and actually shills in support of it is legitimately retarded.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's another episode of Americans complaining about Europe not having a stronger and more independant MIC while using political leverage and blackmail to destroy local MIC and get juicy weapon and supply contracts for themselves.
    >"WHAT? You want to build your own fighter aircrafts? No no no, buy our F-16s or else."
    >"Wtf, why don't you build your own 5th gen jets?"
    This is all tiresome.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thonk you misunderstand. No one is COMPLAINING that EU doesn't build their own, they're just asking why.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    afatoldman

    >Korean has one
    South Korea has a Gen4.5 which may someday become a Gen5.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europe is the New Africa

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >EU_6th_gen_program.png

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post percentage of white population in EU and USA mutt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes I wonder what these guys are doing today. Hopefully they're doing well.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That Chinese guy talking about fucked up railroad cars with a fucked up haircut.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This Chinese is retarted. Europe left the infrastructure in Africa, but not the technology, neither social institutions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Europe left the infrastructure in Africa, but not the technology, neither social institutions.
        China had neither the technology nor the infrastructure when Europe left Africa, yet they still managed to build their own railroads

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Somehow those little yellow monkeys didn't have that problem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not here to defend Yuros, I'm just here to post this in reply to that webm.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Single countries can't field the necessary funds for it & very few aviation companies that actually make fighters, only ones I can think of with the potential being capable of making something close the 5th gen Desault and Saab. There's also not a real threat to any of them since Russia is proven to be a paper tiger and Africa is Africa. They'll just buy the f-35 instead of trying to make their own.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China has half a one.
    USA has two.
    Russia has zero.
    Korea has zero.
    Euros have zero.

    • 3 weeks ago
      afatoldman

      Korea doesn't have one.
      Russia doesn't have one.

      Euros are skipping 5th gen or buying F-35's and then going straight to 6th gen. This is to save money and focus research resources as a fighter-jet program is an immense undertaking.

      Nothing wrong with that considering Euro 4.5th gens (Eurofighters, Rafales, Gripens) can eat vatnik shit for breakfast and could go toe to toe with chinkshit.

      China has none
      Russia lmao
      Korea has none
      Europe is not willing to cooperate for it

      There is no country called Korea.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Best&worst korea reunification in our lifetime.
        But only after china&US collapse.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Korea doesn't have one.
    Russia doesn't have one.

    Euros are skipping 5th gen or buying F-35's and then going straight to 6th gen. This is to save money and focus research resources as a fighter-jet program is an immense undertaking.

    Nothing wrong with that considering Euro 4.5th gens (Eurofighters, Rafales, Gripens) can eat vatnik shit for breakfast and could go toe to toe with chinkshit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Euros are skipping 5th gen or buying F-35's and then going straight to 6th gen
      They're not "skipping" 5th gen, they simply cant fucking make one.
      Pretending to work on 6th gen is how they keep their industry from losing all tax funding and falling apart.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >can't fucking make one
        How on earth did you come to that conclusion?
        Britain was a tier 2 JSF partner and without RR the F-35B simply wouldn't exist.
        Meanwhile EADS were developing a low-observable test-bed which was shelved when it was realised that Russia was broke ass.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How on earth did you come to that conclusion?
          source: the fact they havent made one

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            America hasn't made a vtol jet alone.

            Doesn't mean they can't.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              X-32 and X-35

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Neither had working vtol until, the X-35 was developed into the JSF which then used a RR patented lift fan, built by Britain.

                My point is chose not to ≠ can't.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Neither had working vtol
                The X-35 demonstrated VTOL and the X-32 demonstrated STOVL, this is easily verifiable information.
                Where is the British 5th gen? They're incapable of even making a prototype.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                X-32 didn't meet specifications and had worse performance, the X-35 met requirements and made use of the RR lift fan.

                Where is the American vtol aircraft? They're incapable of even making one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no you
                The absolute state of anglos, pathetic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Americans thinking they're capable of innovating lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Britain buys American aircraft because it is incapable of developing its own.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol
                Lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no missiles
                >no radar
                >in 1969
                >meant to be bong frontline fighter with guns only
                Harrier is unironically dogshit, the only reason it existed was because it was the only plane that crayon eaters could launch off their cuck carriers and pretend they are still seperate from Navy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still brought by America because they couldn't figure out vtol
                Lmao.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeas, only muhreens could ever figure out a use for a first gen fighter in 3rd gen era

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't a fighter you gay retard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America and France keep buying out anything the Brits keep innovating and it pisses me off that the conservatives are just happy to let them lmao.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        EU's aviation industry is more then capable to build one, it's just that the EU is too divided to get past the drawingboard.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't Mexico have modern jets?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They need a modern economy first.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mexico has the 15th largest GDP in the world...bigger than a lot of eu countries.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mexico is third world anybody that's been there knows this, in reality to everyday people its more third world than Turkey or China or Russia by a fairly large gap

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    each f35 is at least 15% British, even more so for the B variant

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BAE USA is not BAE (UK)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Manufacturing of the lift fan systems, ejection seat and rear fuselage are manufactured in the UK. Not an extensive list

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re retarded and checking even the most entry level source (Wikipedia) proves it beyond reasonable doubt

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China has none
    Russia lmao
    Korea has none
    Europe is not willing to cooperate for it

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From what i understand there were several plans in europe between nations like france&england&germany&italy to build one, but american weapons industry aggressively lobbied that competition to death.
    And right now many EU nations are getting their entire militairy budget getting eaten up by F35 purchases.
    And i dont see the F35 become the same succes story for the EU nations as the F16's they got strongarmed in to buying by the US decades ago.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The KF-21 isn't 5th gen you stupid chink

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5th Gen aircraft design does not benefit refugees, sorry but funding has been withdrawn.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China and Russia have zero.
    Europeans spend too much time knitting vegan panties or whatever so they just buy ours.
    I know nothing about the Korean one.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japan also has a fifth gen domestic demonstrator but it's not going to be manufactured, doesn't make sense for them. They're aiming for sixth.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP wants the actual truth?

    The Germans tried to use the program to maximize their own benefit at the expense French. Remind me again why France should give away their painstakingly developed tech and manufacturing capability? The French government should just do the US thing and pay their MIC to develop emerging tech with other European providers as junior contractors only. If Germany wants to be a partner they can participate as a real partner and not greedy fucks just trying to grab benefits.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The French government should just do the US thing and pay their MIC to develop emerging tech with other European providers as junior contractors only

      This is what Dassault wants and has done for the nEUROn Drone : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_nEUROn

      Though, I have no idea who would be the junior partners in this? Turkey? Spain? Portugal?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    European politics decided that war is impossible after the collapse of the Soviet Union. So they just produce expensive boomsticks for third-world countries. Even their brand new tanks and hotwives produceв in ridiculous quantities, just to show them on promo videos

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was much cheaper and beneficial to both parties to get in on helping develop the F35. Why bother making a competitor when you can just help one design from a friendly nation be better and cheaper for you when its ready, or at the very least save money to buy that design over wasting it making an unnecessary alternative? Europe doesn't have a need to make a counter to American designs, quite the contrary with NATO its better for them to be as compatible with the greatest military force in their security alliance rather than making things difficult for themselves and their allies

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia has one
    They also have two

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's camouflaged, so it's harder to spot.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >china
    >fifth generation
    you mean third? thats the best they have.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wholly Americucked countries can't into 5th Gen.

    See: Japan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except Japan literally built a 5th generation demonstrator with an RCS lower than that of anything but F-22 and F-35 from scratch with 100% domestic technologies, and is developing the 6th generation F-X.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    neuron was the biggest mistake of eu ever

    they should have continued its development and make it an actual weapon system instead of a tech demo

    by now eu would have the biggest strike drone fleet

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is the meme obsession with countries wanting to have the "best" aircraft?

    Sure the best option from both a financial and defensive perspective is to just make a 'good' aircraft which is cheap enough to mass produce, but good enough to put up a fight if it needs to?

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because stealh is a meme

    > I thought Europeans are smart people.

    They are, they wont throw billians in a shitty plane like the failure f-35, we dont need it

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia has one.

    a cheap knock off

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too many cooks in the kitchen

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >iran has one
    >yes, that is the actual picture of the cockpit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >has a GPS reciever
      It might still be more advanced than Su-57

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I thought Europeans are smart people.
    Modern Europeans are NOTHING like their forebearers.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because we're already at 7th generation. But unlike amerimutts we can keep secrets and don't have to file retared FOIA requests.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spent all their money on free healthcare and social welfare.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Numerous European countries have either been part of the F-35 development or are buying it.
    They are also trying tic are their own with Tempest and FCAS, though it will be wait and see with what actually comes out of them.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >China has two
    Not real fifth gens. Notice how Chang is now attacking Europe after Americans kept feeding him his own asshole?

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