Why don't?

Why don't /k/alifornian's CC Obrez pistols?
>cheap
>as reliable as the host mosin
>muh stopping power
>non-restricted magazines
>not considered assult wepunz
I see no faults here

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Legally a SBR
    >SBRs are illegal in CA

    Delete your thread moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You left one out:
      >SBR
      That one is a pretty big fault in CA.

      Is this an sbr in Cali? I thought this would fall under pistol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No such thing as a factory obrez so they are all converted rifles. That makes them SBRs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even if it didn't count as an SBR, wouldn't it then count as a pistol (and thus be illegal because it isn't on the handgun roster)?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You left one out:
    >SBR
    That one is a pretty big fault in CA.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me, a Eurogay, how the thing in the OP can in any way be construed as a rifle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Once a rifle, always a rifle in ATF’s eyes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lel
          My local laws are cucked as frick but I'm pretty sure I could get one of those registered as a pistol (may need silhouette sights to avoid upset from cops though)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because it started out as a rifle

          They will never be a real pistol?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Once a homosexual, always a homosexual in my eyes. Not you, just sayin'.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because it started out as a rifle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The definition of SBR includes:
        >a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
        >a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
        Remember, this class of firearms wasn't restricted because they were considered dangerous or scary in their own right, but to prevent chopping down rifles as a workaround to the real target of the NFA, handguns. So when handguns were removed from the NFA before it was passed into law, the rest of it stopped making any sense.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Actually informative, thankses

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Eurogay
        have a nice day.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I refuse

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are Ivans even allowed a rifle on glory hole duty?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Probably not since they sold his rifle to me

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    where are you finding obrez for cheap
    have you ever shot a full sized mosin? are you a noguns

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >where are you finding obrez for cheap
      I assume he's talking about buying a mosin and then cutting it down himself.

      >have you ever shot a full sized mosin?
      Are you trying to imply the recoil would be bad? Lol, with a barrel that short it's going to be very weak.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >mosin for cheap
        >current year

        just go to LGS and get a shitty barreled action with a fricked up bore. No import marks, no registry, not legally a rifle

        go and pick one up right now

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bought picrel like 3 days ago for $400. Next store over was selling for $800. Not a shitfricked barreled action and it has import marks but my point stands.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            for $400 you could've bought an actual pistol
            >not an obrez
            >not a barreled action with no import mark
            >is legally a rifle

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you asked for a cheap mosin, moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                400 is not a cheap mosin you double Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's not a cheap /mosin/, but it is a cheap /gun/.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, it isn’t.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, people regularly pay tens of thousands of dollars for old west colts, rare lugers, fancy shotguns, etc. A $400 mosin ain't shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay.
                It’s still not cheap

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                year
                Sure they're no longer as dirt cheap as they once were, but even at $400 they're still firmly in the low end of the gun market.

                400 is not a cheap gun, for that 400 you could've bought 2 calvary carcanos

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                while this is true, the downside is that you now own two carcanos

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It’s cheaper to equip the second shooter at the grassy knoll that way

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You could get a totally superior rifle with an (not the best but you actually have the ability to easily mount one) optic, shooting 1 MOA, in a better caliber for $100 less.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao this moron spent $400 on a shitstick Mosin!!!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Bought picrel like 3 days ago for $400.
            Are you fricking moronic? Lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > check out how cheap this mosin was, only cost $400.

            It really is over, surp bros. Feels bad.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          year
          Sure they're no longer as dirt cheap as they once were, but even at $400 they're still firmly in the low end of the gun market.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      just go to LGS and get a shitty barreled action with a fricked up bore. No import marks, no registry, not legally a rifle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unless it's been demilled to ATF standards--which, IIRC involves cutting the receiver apart in three places with an oxyfuel torch--then it *is* legally a rifle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          but if it has no import marks how can you PROVE it was ever a rifle and not a pistol? Unless the ATF is keeping a registry, which I believe they're legally forbidden to do?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but if it has no import marks how can you PROVE it was ever a rifle and not a pistol?
            Mosins were never made as pistols in the first place.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Says who? There's no record unless it was documented while imported.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Says history you dumb frick. The ATF is not moronic. Go and find a mosin action that was made from the factory as a pistol.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Calls people dumb frick
                >Has no idea what burden of proof is

                If there's no import record, there's no t was ever a rifle. Thousands of mosins were imported in the 1950s from Spain in that exact state, without serial numbers marked on the receiver. Get the frick off of /k/ and Google some basic mosin history moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *There's no trace

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It still started life as a rifle. Therefore it’s a rifle. I don’t understand how hard this is for you to comprehend?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it was never LEGALLY a rifle. Legality matters. I mean frick, you can find PISTOLS with 20 inch barrels if you shop around enough, but they're still pistols. The point in unserialized, barreled mosin actions is that it is in the same null state as an AR-15 lower. Neither rifle nor pistol, hence you cna make a LEGAL OBREZ from it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The point in unserialized, barreled mosin actions
                Oh cool, so if you make an obrez out of a thing that literally doesn't exist, it's legally a pistol, that's great, thanks for clarifying.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it was never LEGALLY a rifle
                Yes it was. Fricking dumbass

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Go and find a mosin action that was made from the factory as a pistol.
                With some cuts and welds you can be the factory making it as a pistol.
                >chop receiver
                >reweld an inch shorter
                >shorten bolt to match
                >500 s&w barrel
                >50 state compliant obrez that's just as powerful as a full size rifle

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Show 1(one) example of this
                Also
                >welding a torch cut receiver
                >what is heat treat

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >telling morons to blow themselves up and commit felonies is bad

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >telling morons to blow themselves up and commit felonies is bad

                There's a long history of rewelding title ii firearms into title i firearms. Thousands and thousands of machine gun receivers have gone through the process with no trouble.
                >welding bad
                Where do you think all the stress in a bolt action receiver is?

                [...]
                So what you're saying is theres an open market for factory made Obrezs?

                No one would want to buy one for what they'd cost

                No.
                A properly, legally destroyed receiver cannot be welded back together (this is the entire point of the ATF changing their process of deactivation)
                Anything less than a properly destroyed receiver is still a rifle, and thus any obrez would be a SBR
                A Mosin receiver cannot be easily stamped like you can an MP5 or AK or what have you.
                If you’re setting up a machine shop to produce receivers, you’d be better off with anything other than a Mosin set up.
                All this combined means that any factory made examples are going to be expensive, defeating the entire point of buying a Mosin.
                And also, Mosin pistols are, in general, fricking awful to shoot.

                Cool thing about welding is that it's an additive process so even if a plasma torch takes off a bunch of material you can usually put it back. Every deactivated mosin I've seen has had an intact trunnion with the cut far enough away that the heat treat wouldn't be affected.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No one would want to buy one for what they'd cost
                Pretty much this. LugerMan in PA had like 6 or 7 Obrez pistols for sale on GB some time ago.
                You might have seen him mentioned on ForgottenWeapons, he was the guy who produced the 10mm Lugers Ian reviewed.
                As expected of his shop they were really, really nice, the nicest obrez to probably ever exist, but they were priced accordingly, I think somewhere around $1200.

                Found a review of them here lol:https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/obrez-mosin-pistol/466694

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have you ever shot a full sized mosin? are you a noguns
      The recoil will be nonexistent at this barrel length since barely any of the powder will have the time to burn out by the time the bullet leaves the barrel, you're the noguns here.

      [...]
      Is this an sbr in Cali? I thought this would fall under pistol

      >Is this an sbr in Cali?
      It's an SBR everywhere in burgerland because it was manufactured from a rifle, unlike these AR/AK pistol abominations.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        obrez is still going to have more recoil than an actual pistol caliber pistol, look up videos of any obrez being shot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No such thing as a factory obrez so they are all converted rifles. That makes them SBRs.

        So what you're saying is theres an open market for factory made Obrezs?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No.
          A properly, legally destroyed receiver cannot be welded back together (this is the entire point of the ATF changing their process of deactivation)
          Anything less than a properly destroyed receiver is still a rifle, and thus any obrez would be a SBR
          A Mosin receiver cannot be easily stamped like you can an MP5 or AK or what have you.
          If you’re setting up a machine shop to produce receivers, you’d be better off with anything other than a Mosin set up.
          All this combined means that any factory made examples are going to be expensive, defeating the entire point of buying a Mosin.
          And also, Mosin pistols are, in general, fricking awful to shoot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Anything less than a properly destroyed receiver is still a rifle, and thus any obrez would be a SBR
            The way around this is to purchase portions from two legally destroyed receivers that overlap and weld them together.
            IE: the back half of one rifle receiver is completely, irrevocably destroyed. The front half, with barrel attached, is not legally considered a receiver any more.
            The front half of a second rifle receiver is completely and irrevocably destroyed, leaving the back half intact.
            The two halves, from two distinct, legally destroyed receivers are now nothing, they are paperweights.
            They can now be re-welded together into one new, functional pistol receiver.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A Mosin receiver cannot be easily stamped like you can an MP5 or AK or what have you.
            yes it can. I posted a form 1d obrez in this thread.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sorry, I meant stamped as in a stamped flat. As opposed to milling.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There's no fricking market for this shit moron.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >it's a rifle that had the barrel cut and the stock removed
    So, a pistol?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So, a pistol?
      Not according to the ATF. Per the ATF if it was made from a rifle, it remains a rifle.
      It's right on the ATF website
      >A weapon made from a rifle is also a firearm subject to the NFA if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, I was talking about your moronic obsessed troony analogy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that's not the same guy as me (I made te troony joke, my apologies)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        but if you had a braced pistol, which would now be an SBR, and take the brace off of it, it's now a pistol and not an illegal SBR?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. When you make something title II it stays that way until deactivated.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not correct. Reconfiguring a firearm so it no longer meets the relevant definition does remove it from the NFA's provisions.

            I think this misconception arises from specific cases where modifications that look like they should remove a firearm from NFA, don't. But these cases result from the definitions themselves depending on the weapon's history (either by the text of the definition, or in ATF's interpretation), not on a general "stickiness" outside the definitions.

            W/r/t machineguns, drilling the third hole in a semi-auto AR-15 receiver makes it NFA (machinegun), but welding up the third hole of a full-auto AR-15 receiver doesn't remove it from the NFA. This is because the definition includes a machinegun receiver, which ATF interprets to include any receiver that has been a machinegun, unless and until it's destroyed.

            W/r/t SBRs, putting a stock on a <16" barrel pistol makes it NFA (short barreled rifle), but removing a stock from a factory SBR doesn't remove it from the NFA. This is because the definition includes "a weapon made from a rifle".

            But in other cases, such as putting a longer barrel on an SBR to satisfy both >16" barrel and >26" overall length, there's no stickiness -- as soon as you change it, it's no longer governed by the NFA. And likewise for restoring a pistol that's been converted to a rifle (whether SBR or not) to its original pistol self, which avoids the historical aspect of the definition ("made from a rifle") by the logic in

            >but if you had a braced pistol, which would now be an SBR, and take the brace off of it, it's now a pistol and not an illegal SBR?
            That's correct, whether it's a brace or an actual stock.

            ATF's "logic" is that when you take the stock off a weapon that was originally a rifle, you're making a new "weapon made from a rifle". But if you add a stock to a pistol (making it into a rifle), and then later remove the stock, you're not making a new weapon from a rifle, but "resurrecting" the original, not-made-from-a-rifle pistol.

            That's why every AR15 I build from a virgin receiver starts life as a pistol (maybe a 16" or 20" barrel pistol, but a pistol nevertheless), then I put the buttstock on later.

            See https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And how does one prove a pistol was previously a rifle? What if you just don't tell them?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              If it's an AR receiver there's no way they can prove it
              If it's a bolt actual receiver of a firearm that every factory example of has been a rifle, and it has proof marks and/or serial numbers that prove it was a rifle at some point, the burden of proof will be on you to prove that it did not leave the factory as a rifle.
              If
              >But what if it did leave the factory as a pistol, huh?
              Was a good defense, there wouldn't be thousands of destroyed sawn-off rifles and shotguns for sale as parts kits

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but if you had a braced pistol, which would now be an SBR, and take the brace off of it, it's now a pistol and not an illegal SBR?
          That's correct, whether it's a brace or an actual stock.

          ATF's "logic" is that when you take the stock off a weapon that was originally a rifle, you're making a new "weapon made from a rifle". But if you add a stock to a pistol (making it into a rifle), and then later remove the stock, you're not making a new weapon from a rifle, but "resurrecting" the original, not-made-from-a-rifle pistol.

          That's why every AR15 I build from a virgin receiver starts life as a pistol (maybe a 16" or 20" barrel pistol, but a pistol nevertheless), then I put the buttstock on later.

          See https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-i-lawfully-make-pistol-rifle-without-registering-firearm

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Are you defending Californian laws?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no just wanted to make the troony joke, I'm sorry, I can delete the post if you want

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure you can buy a Remington 700 action then make a short pistol chassis for it. Granted, the action has to be registered as a pistol already or something like RECEIVER

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Remington DID offer one for a short time
      https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/10/30/tfb-review-remington-700cp-a-pistol-remington-700/
      Discontinued as of September 2023 from what I can tell

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    P365s, hellcats, shield plus, and max 9s are available. Before that it was ruger ec9s, shield (single stack), kahr whatevers, glock 26, xd subcompact, and sig p238s. CA WAS 10 years behind. The issue isn't the guns it's the carry laws and stupid pissing matches with other anti gun states on who can word israelite around bruen the most.
    >Inb4 blackpilling about bruen
    It was always going to be moronic "tee hee ooh what's" tier moronation from the anti guns. The important part is that there's a new beating stick to hurt them with.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >stopping power
    I think it's more penetrating power, anon.

  9. 1 month ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    Many reasons.
    >Mosins haven't been cheap in almost a decade.
    >It may be "reliable" but is still far harder to operate than a regular pistol.
    >Doesn't really get much power due to the short barrel.
    >Half the legal magazine capacity.
    >Definitely not an AW.
    Oh yeah also.
    >Very bulky
    >Not safe to carry with a chambered cartridge.
    >Safety is almost non usable.
    >Expensive ammunition.
    >No front sight.
    >Have to play rules lawyer with dealer and CA DOJ to even legally get one due to SBR rules.
    >Can't make one with a re-weld since it's not on the handgun roster. Would have to be an original virgin receiver.

    A regular modern compact 9mm is going to be easier to acquire ad far more practical.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I too would like everyone in caliwali to break their wrists.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It ain't going to break shit with a barrel as short as your IQ is low.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    California has a "handgun roster"
    Californians cannot buy "new" handguns unless they are on said roster.
    To get on the roster the manufacturer would have to submit a handgun to the CA DOJ for drop safety testing that has a loaded chamber indicator, chamber loaded indicator, magazine disconnect safety, and manual safety (trigger safety, grip safety, or thumb safety).
    They would also need to pay the CA DOJ a $300 fee to add the handgun to the "approved for sale" database.
    On January 1st of each year they must pay a renewal fee of $300

    Here are all the handguns on the roster
    https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

    If a Californian wanted a handgun that is not on the roster they would have to find a person willing to do a private party transfer.
    The odds of finding someone that owns an Obrez is incredibly small, just like your PP
    and unlike yer Mudda it won't be cheap

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can't Californians get CZ race guns at all then?

      • 1 month ago
        Resident Wumbologist

        Some of the Shadow models were on roster but fell off. If you buy one from someone who bought it while it was on roster or moved to CA with one then yes, but you'll pay a substantial premium. About 1.5-2x what they cost new.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There are two ways to get one
        1. You buy it off someone that already owns one, typically that will be a Cop (they are exempt from the roster) or someone that moved into the state with one.
        2. You find an FFL with the right license that will make the pistol single shot only if possible and sell it to you. (this is very rare)

        Off the top of my head the only people I know of that will mess with the single shot exemption stuff is a guy on Reddit called "Wojtek Weaponry" who does mostly Ruger guns, and a shop called 2A Zone that will do a smattering of stuff for $$$$

        https://www.wojtekweaponry.com/California-Compliant_c_332.html
        https://www.2azone.com/catalog/handguns/single-shot

        If you want a Shadow contact one of them and ask if its possible and how much

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >2. You find an FFL with the right license that will make the pistol single shot only if possible and sell it to you. (this is very rare)
          Thought they shut the single-shot exception down w/r/t temporarily-disadvantaged semiautos? (Still an option for revolvers AIUI.)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Still an option for revolvers AIUI
            Single shot revolvers exemption was never a thing. Single ACTION revolvers are exempt from the roster and you can convert any DA revolver to single action to get it in the state legally.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hearing status:
    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is very fricking true. I modeled this in Quickload, assuming a 4 inch barrel which I think is actually longer than what this has. Muzzle velocity: 1100 fps. Barely even supersonic. Muzzle exit pressure? 46,000 psi. That is going to be one motherfricker of a muzzle blast.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would rather defend myself with a .22 revolver than this if given no other options, and I'm not even a Caligay.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not caligay
    Where do I acquire obrez?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They almost never appear for sale. You buy a mosin and you form 1 it. If you don't care about it being a mosin you could buy a bare receiver for something like a Rem 700 and build it as a pistol from the ground up.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >cut down mosin
    Just like my day z playthrough

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .22 obrez

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      turning one of the Howa 7.62x39's into an Obrez would be great

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are you going to cut up a mosin
    Only to reweld it again because both federal and state laws are moronic

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can take a pistol and convert it to a rifle
    >See Heritage Rough Rider 16 inch "Pistol"
    You cannot convert a rifle to a pistol due to ATF laws that have been around since the 1930s.
    >You cannot take a bolt action rifle like a Moist Nugger and convert it to a pistol.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >obrez nugget

    Would the fireball be as big as I imagine it to be?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have one. The concussive blast if you're under an overhang or next to a solid object at an outdoor range makes my nose run after like five shots.
      I would never touch it off indoors. It'd get me permabanned.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fault is living in California.

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