Why doesn't Mexico have any meaningful armed forces?
>larger economy than Russia, South Korea or Australia
>zero tanks
>Air Force consists of six (6) total F-5s
>Navy backbone is four 50+ year old surplus American frigates
Why doesn't Mexico have any meaningful armed forces? >larger economy than Russia, South Korea or Australia
to their north is the US, a country who they could never defeat no matter what they tried
to their south is an isthmus, an incredibly mountainous and narrow body of land that itself is made up of even smaller countries
no invasion is coming through there
and oceans to either side of them
their military only needs to be good enough to maintain internal order, with their toughest foes being drug cartels
Also this. Mexico is quite literally impossible to invade because of its geography, much like the US. Their only security needs are internal, and practically speaking the cartels are arguably a segment of the governing body of Mexico anyways, with their own narco-state ways of providing security and order. Mexico's security forces only need to be strong enough to project the image of keeping the cartels in line, when in all actuality the cartels are so pervasive in Mexican socirty that they could deter most Mexican soldiers from fighting them without firing a shot
I literally just naval invaded it with 24 divisions as China retard
240–360k swimasiatics coming for OUR beanbois
>Monroe Doctrine intensifies
Video games aren't real you basement dwelling nagger.
North America is probably one of the hardest, if not the hardest places to invade. It would be different if there were multiple tiny countries, but it's just Canada, the US, and Mexico. I do wonder if outside forces would try to create a Mexico-Texas conflict.
>Zimmerman telegram has entered the chat
>Mexico
>impossible to invade
Cortez did it
About 90% of the Indians in Mexico hated the Aztec and openly helped the Spanish.
>About 90% of the Indians in Mexico hated the Aztec
True. Nothing quite like that today outside of the cartels potentially being able to be bought
>Anon, "Mexico" did no exist at the time
Well Mexico doesn't have an army now so it might as well not exist.
Like the reason Cortez got so far is because he had a decent army that could challenge the aztecs. Yes he outteched them but his army was pretty small.
If say Denmark or Israel invaded Mexico and the US didn't bail them out, is there really that much the Mexican government could do?
>Well Mexico doesn't have an army now
>The Mexican armed forces include 510,600 uniformed personnel plus 120,000 National Guardsmen
Goddamn I love fucking Mexican chicks in the ass, bros
>Like the reason Cortez got so far is because he had a decent army that could challenge the aztecs.
It is mathematically impossible for Cortez to have felled the Aztec empire with his tiny expeditionary force. Most of the maneuvers during the seige of the Aztec empire were done by Tlaxcaltecs or others of the Nahua ethnicity who were the same ethnic group as the Aztec. Literally everyone hated the Aztecs for basically being the Saudis of the time. The Spanish had excellent cavalry but that was really the only major element that did fighting. The Aztec lost in a 3:1 fight.
Anon, "Mexico" did no exist at the time, if anything, the conquest Cortez jumpstarts mexican national history.
>Mexico is quite literally impossible to invade because of its geography,
How did the Americans do the impossible?
It's because we are god's chosen people
>Mexico is quite literally impossible to invade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War
I'm noticing a trend that Mexico is invadable when it's locals are all fighting eachother because half of the Mexicans end up helping the invader. Truly the greatest enemy of Mexico is Mexicans.
Beaner here. basically what these guys said
No real reason to have one in this day and age, at least not for defense from foreign threats for the reasons already stated and given that Mexico prides itself on being a neutral, non-interventionist country, we would never sent troops abroad for UN missions for example.
That said, I wish the Air Force would at least get some COIN aircraft if nothing else to keep the Air Force at least somewhat relevant. Those F-5 are going to fall out of the sky one day.
At least the Army and Naval Infantry are well trained and absolutely mog narco scum. Too bad they have to do it with one hand tied.
>their toughest foes being drug cartels
if only they had at least taken that threat seriously, now it's too late.
Government intentionally castrates the military in terms of funding and rules.
>Everybody isn't eating off of dead Amerifucks who can't live a normal drug free life
Post hands
they could have invested into a decent fleet of IFVs and light attack/recon helicopters to genocide the cartels with military efficiency instead of using fucking technicals like they are some terrorist organisation, in some instances the cartels had better equipment and more firepower than the army which is fucking sad
>in some instances the cartels had better equipment and more firepower than the army which is fucking sad
Not really. Narcos mostly use gay shit like V6 F150s, Silverado HD with welded spaced armor or the like. Mexico has lots of armor and a ridiculous amount of explosives but the army is forbade from using them by human rights organizations that curiously spring up with gigantic funding in any random tiny town where a narco is killed. I think there is something ridiculous like 100,000 MILAN + RPG29 warheads in the Mexican army inventory. Army was mowing down sicarios with chain guns, grenade launchers and simple machine gun fire very often in the late 2000s and early 2010s but got neutered right when PRI came back into power. Crime rates spiked a lot then too. It's almost like killing narcos and arming locals fixes crime.
>to their south is an isthmus, an incredibly mountainous and narrow body of land that itself is made up of even smaller countries
>no invasion is coming through there
>and oceans to either side of them
That's what the Aztecs thought too
Despite the media /misc/ related "tension" between US& Mex related to cartels and border security, they're actually one of our closest and most important allies. If they ever truly need help, we got em. But no Central or South American country poses any real threat to Mex, so it's unlikely they'll ever need our help. Plus, Americans (Texans, mostly) would get nervous about Mex having a sizable military, and nervous Texans are dangerous. Besides, the only true threat to Mexico is the US if we ever decide to annex them, which will never happen in reality because the guerilla war would be a charnel house of slaughtered GI's, and again they're a very close ally.
The idea is if anyone came to mess with Mexico then America would take care of it.
>just waste your nation's money on a military that will have no real use aside from photo ops and dickwaving contests
thirdie mindset
they just don't need all that heavy equipment, things like tanks would be money sinks that only got used for parades.
It doesn't benefit us to have well equipped neighbors and it doesn't benefit them to invest heavily in their defense from external threats when the biggest military power in the world will take care of that for them if need be. As it stands their military exists to fight internal threats so a robust navy, tanks, and jets aren't as useful as armored cars/MRAPs and helicopters
no threats at all
same reason Canada doesn't have a meaningful armed force
If we're gonna compare, Canada has
>80 tanks
>12 frigates and 4 attack subs
>100 F/A-18s (to be replaced with F-35s)
A monster military compared to Mexico
Canada is part of NATO and the Five Eyes, alliances that make you have at least a decent military to help your comrades in case of emergencies. Mexico is not part of any military alliance, that's the difference.
Canada also has a higher GDP to defend.
No true need for an offensive military as Mexico despite the rhetoric maintains excellent relations with it's neighbor, the world's preeminent super power. Additionally Mexico had a relatively capable and decently sized military in the past for it's population and economy, but had a pretty bloody era of military influenced governments 80+ years ago. The desire to not go through this as a nation again depoliticized the armed forces. Later the crooked Mexican ruling party had a falling out with the military who had an epiphany that they didn't have to be the personal goon squad of the ruling party so said party starved them of funds out of spite. It's why they haven't had any large arms purchases since the fucking 80s. They've been offered Su30s, F18s, French, Russian and German tanks but bought none because the politicians who dislike them don't want them getting strong enough to stand against them. Nowadays the president seems deadset on turning the armed forces into a self funding fifth column however, which is odd because he's center left and the military is mostly center right.
> Nowadays the president seems deadset on turning the armed forces into a self funding fifth column however, which is odd because he's center left and the military is mostly center right.
I've seen this one before and it ends hilariously.
Probably why GOM props up the Neo-feudal nobility and lets them go buck fucking wild because it substantiates their military and it can do something somewhat constructive. That and they get absolutely rich off of it too via bribes and skimming. If cartels are actually beaten down, the first thing the military organization would do, ever true to their Hispanic roots, is initiate yet another Latin American coup. However, this would run contra to both GOM and the United States' interests so having an eternal conflict in Mexico is the best scenario for both nations.
To the actual ruling Mexican class, it's just Paisas, Indios, and Panchito subhumans killing each other for their amusement while they become extremely rich off of it. Then again, to believe Mexico is an unified state is misleading as it is realistically a smattering of regional nation-states and territories.
The Mexican military is probably one of the only groups that could run a junta counter to US whims and get away with it simply because AMLO is a moron and is putting them in charge of every critical point of infrastructure in Mexico (airports, oil, lithium, ports, shipbuilding, power, refineries, even emergency food and medicine resources) right at the same time where Mexico is surpassing China as the main source of US imports. Every car, electronic, appliance, medication, gallon of fuel and gram of precious metal that goes from Mexico to the US is soon going to be under the control of the army. They despite the corrupt Latin dictator meme are still extremely nationalistic. The last two times Mexico had leaders who actually brought the country to some point of economic prominence they were military men. He's probably doing this thinking that this will happen but we might see Mexico turn into some sort of hyper-Pinochet era Chile type society. Only in that case, Mexican Pinochet would hold power over the lions share of US imports meaning it would be too much of a socio-economic mess for the US to risk dislodging the power apparatus. Bizarre times ahead.
>(because as corrupt as Mexican politicians are they are nothing next to Russians)
I love this image.
> Australia is just fucking Africa/Central Asia tier black re economic complexity
We are NGMI unless the fuckers in parliament start realizing there is stuff you can do for money other than selling rocks
Australia is an odd case because it's actually regressed from industrialized in many ways. I think the only other big examples of that are Russia, Argentina and South Africa.
Those are not good countries to be like. This is a very bad omen, I think.
Russia has never been industrialized. I once wrote a large paragraph about it, but the TL:DR Russia literally had hegemony over Eastern Europe and made everyone buy Russian to prop up its shit.
Ukraine was only 15% of the Soviet population during most of the cold war but was 40% of Soviet industry and 45% of Soviet scientific research. Russia was wildly underrepresented in Soviet higher echelons of science for being the majority of the Soviet population. Hell, Mikoyan was Armenian. The T34 was Ukrainian. Kalashnikov was an Altaian Turk.
Always been that way, the mongols showed up, taught them to maintain a slave like grip on it's people, and exploit their neighbors to get what they need.
It's kleptocracy from the very start of Russian history, and its soviet industrialization was merely a radical shift in how it gained more serfs for the kleptocracy.
That was Muscovy. Novgorod were the good Russians, but they lost the reunification wars.
Not true, we also sell houses to each other (and the Chinese)! It's definitely not a game of musical chairs, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the 10 largest companies in the ASX 200 basically all being either banks or mining companies 🙂
Sounds like Egypt.
>They've been offered Su30s, F18s, French, Russian and German tanks but bought none
They can't buy foreign armament without americans throwing a hissy fit, and american armament is over expensive crap way beyond our budget. That's what we barely any new armament.
Not really. The US just throws a tantrum over Russian stuff and any thing with US parts like the Gripen. Mexico is building drones with smart munitions designed with Turkish input and new naval vessels with Dutch help and no one in the US gov cares. Also more Caracals are on the way in place of Blackhawks. I think all the 8x8 proposals to replace the VCI fleet are non American too.
>Also more Caracals are on the way in place of Blackhawks
Source? Because as far I know, Mexico is still buying black haws.
https://nationworldnews.com/civil-force-black-hawk-helicopter-shines-in-new-splendor
I think the Marines are buying more Caracals. As far as I know the army/air force are still buying more Blackhawks. What's interesting is that Russia really fucked up on supplying parts to Mexico to maintain the Mi17 fleet so local industry had to learn how to fabricate Mi17 parts so now there is a local industry making Russian aircraft parts. Same think happened with the Sukhoi airliners that private Mexican aviation purchased. USA is actually pushing for Mexico to give the Mi17 airframes to Ukraine in exchange for Blackhawks from the US to replace them. So far I think only 2 were sent to Ukraine. Would be cool if those local helicopter industries could move from making Mi17 parts to Blackhawk parts.
>USA is actually pushing for Mexico to give the Mi17 airframes to Ukraine in exchange for Blackhawks from the US
Biggest mistake if they do it. Americans get pissed when you modify their armament, for some reason.
This is why I think Mexico still prefers European equipment whenever they get the chance. It's still NATO quality but they tend to not give a shit what you do as long as you pay. Except for ze Germans. These things really need to be replaced soon however. There are fucking 400 of them and they've been obsolete since 1990 and half of them don't even have modern opticals.
Those are going to be replaced by an 8x8 IFV with a 40mm auto cannon. Probably the VBCI-T40 since México has a positive history with French armor. These would take up much of the ATGM carrier role too as they mount the Akeron missile. I think the Guarani 8x8 version, the Super AV from Brazil/Italy is the other option.
No, it will probably just be an 8x8 version of the Guarani like this anon says.
But no one is sure how the 8x8 IFV version will look yet. Brazilian Marines are set to order them.
They'll buy Brazilian Guaranis probably.
The reason some countries avoid buying US stuff it's because the US Govt can fuck them over anytime they walk out of line, which is something LATAM cunts do constantly(i.e being part of China's Belt and Road, etc...)
So they buy from cunts who doesn't really give a shit, like Europe, except for Germany because they're even worse than Americans and are constantly veto'ing sales and basically they wanna kill their own MIC. (They blocked Saudi Eurofighters, Saudis immediatly bought Rafales instead).
>They'll buy Brazilian Guaranis probably.
That would also be acceptable. The army keeps saying 8x8 so that would be this version. I'd hope they would order them with that uparmor kit since they will be serving as an IFV, though that makes them lose their amphibious ability to gain 25mm/30mm protection. Good thing you can dismount those kits if need be. It can double as amphibious search and rescue so they can call it a dual use humanitarian aid vehicle.
I think the Guarani itself is literally the SuperAV, but 6x6.
Guarani, SuperAV, Centauro, they all share the same powertrains.
Correct, the Marine ACV is too but is taller, more amphibian focused and has a Kongsberg turret. It would be cool to have a common 8x8 platform in use throughout the Americas.
>except for Germany because they're even worse than Americans and are constantly veto'ing sales and basically they wanna kill their own MIC.
That's actually partly why the G36 tender was cancelled and the FX05 was built on German supplied machinery instead. I do believe the Germans in the original G36 contract wanted Mexico to still import gas blocks and carriers from Germany. It's probably why those parts look so different on the FX05. A shame because the G3 and HWK-11 are widely liked and more German cooperation in arms would have been cool. I think H&K is actually blocked form doing business in Mexico now because some H&K official forged documents to sell guns to narcos. Really fucked shit especially considering German firms are usually above the board.
>except for Germany because they're even worse than Americans
To be fair the other anglo countries are the same. They always put ridiculous conditions to the armament they are going to sell you.
>To be fair the other anglo countries are the same.
Canada was literally helping the Iraqis build nuclear artillery until the Israelis got pissed enough and assassinated the guy leading the project.
Americans throwing a hissy fit is a good thing though. Russian military technology is dog shit, Europe is a literally bootleg American if you can't afford American armaments.
Euro ground equipment actually tends to be more expensive than US stuff and often outperforms US equivalents. The big thing with the US is air power and sheer ability to mass produce stuff.
>often outperforms US equivalents
In theory.
American stuff is hit or miss. The Huey and Humvee are massively hated but the Blackhawk and F5 were widely liked. M113 and M60 were offered to Mexico and rejected for being outdated to hell and back but the Greyhound platform and Gage Commando were liked so much that Mexico kept producing upgrades and knock offs long after they were no longer in production in the US. Pic related was the latest version of the Greyhound that got new engines, electronics and armaments in the late 1980s. Was in service until like 1992. Some of them still run and are used in parades.
It was even worse until the 50s, when Guatemala wanted to pick a fight with us and our generals were genuinely afraid of us losing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93Guatemala_conflict
>Why doesn't Mexico have any meaningful armed forces?
Starved of funding on purpose by leftist politicians who have a bone to pick with the armed forces who typically lean more right. This means the armed forces have absolutely miniscule budgets that are mostly marked for pay and maintenance and the army is super stingy with acquisitions.
>>zero tanks
Mexico has tankettes like the ERC90 and fire support vehicles like the HWK11-90 (basically a Mexican Marder with a 90mm gun) but no proper tanks because MBTs are not really suitable for Mexican terrain. Most heavy fighting the Mexican army plans for would be in jungle or mountain areas. I do believe the only tanks Mexico ever considered were the AMX40 and the Osorio in the 1980s when they were doing a lot of big arms purchases. Both are very light compared to other western tanks. Russia also offered the T72 and T90 when Mexico bought Russian helos but Mexico didn't like them. I do believe Mexico will get new fire support or medium tanks over the next few years. It wouldn't surprise me if they go with the M10 Booker or the 120mm armed CV90 that Brazil is likely going to build.
>>Air Force consists of six (6) total F-5s
Mexico has a domestic drone industry and is trying to actually start building proper domestic aircraft so I think this is one segment where Mexico may actually improve. Aerospace is a highly profitable segment in Mexico. Mexico almost got Gripens but the US blocked it because the F18 was also competing in that tender. Mexico also almost bought the Su30 but decided to fund domestic shipbuilding and more AWACS instead. Objectively a better move.
>Navy backbone is four 50+ year old surplus American frigates
No, the Navy is actually pretty competent and is building new vessels, some of domestic design and some with Euro assistance.
>šoy naval
>the only tanks Mexico ever considered were the AMX40 and the Osorio in the 1980s
The AMX40 actually would be the perfect tank for Mexico. It was just an AMX30B but with extra armor and new systems that ended up on the Leclerc later
>Cheaper than other western contemporaries and on a proven established platform
>Uparmored negating the weak armor problem of the AMX30 platform
>Much lighter than other western MBTs so could be used in jungles, mountains, forests and on poor infrastructure
>Still had all the modern amenities like hunter killer system, night fighting ability, blowout panels, off the shelf fire control system
>French didn't give a fuck how you used their weapons at the time
>Coaxial 20mm autocannon that would be used a lot because Mexico would likely be fighting troops in light armor over MBTs
>Mexico already had experience with French armor at the time
Should have bought it it was also possible to order it with an off the shelf commercial German engine and ZF transmission . Mexican Marines not buying the M60 or T72 in the early 90s was the correct move though.
I wake up everyday hoping today is the day we get footage of narco techinicals getting btfo by mexican army armor.
Every day I am dissapointed
You -- and everyone else -- must have missed the part where 70-80% of the ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY is controlled by the cartels, according to the Mexican 'government.' And our own government has allowed them to take the border over.
do they even need the extra armor
seems like they would be a good match for lighter tanks in general
don't really expect opponents with big guns & ATGMs
The front was designed to shrug off RPG hits, 105mm hits and the common ATGMs of the time which were TOW, Konkurs, Milan and Refleks. I think that is the acceptable range of threats Mexico would face. No reason to go with less armor if they manage to keep the vehicle around 40 tons. I believe full combat load out for the loaded 120mm armed version was still only 43 ton. The AMX30 family was too under armored before. Supposedly could be penetrated by 14mm machine gun fire.
It's a giant Native American reservation, except without US federal government aid. The fuck do you expect from them?
In Mexico the Castizos are wilder than the Indians.
If you sold the Mexican military serious hardware it would end up in cartel hands. I think you would find the US would provide a level of guarantee to Mexico in order to maintain a lesser equipped military to prevent technology/capability spills.
>If you sold the Mexican military serious hardware it would end up in cartel hands.
Not really. It's not at all common to even see stuff like FX05s in cartel hands. Most actual military grade cartel weapons are from Venezuela and Cuba. Venezuela particularly has a very huge part in supplying narcos with AK style weapons and explosives. Also most of "evil deadly machine guns" that narcos get from the US are in fact just semi-auto AR style rifles or shotguns which are actually legal in Mexico too.
I've never seen a VBL or a EC725 in narco service. Being identified with anything approaching proper militia grade armaments is a great way to get instantly splatted by the army. Politicians can't protect people like that because they can be considered an internal militarized threat, not a criminal group at that point. Narcos thrive via clandestine action and skirting the law in a way where their crooked local politician friends can protect them at the judicial level. That one time a cartel went out and filmed themselves in camo with proper armored trucks the army tracked them down pretty quick and went after them with rockets and helos.
>>ESTO ES UNA ZONA MILITAR
>>EL PASO ESTA PROHIBIDO
The big stockpile of Milans are going to start expiring next decade so they were using them mounted on VBL armored cars at roadblocks for a while GMG up front and MILAN in back. If you bypass the blockade in an armored vehicle you just get an ATGM up your ass. It's funny how small these are for the amount of armor and offensive ability they have.
Even the FX-05 rifles are kind of too hot for narcos.
>Since 2006 only 32 rifles have been lost
>19 stolen
>13 lost
Of those 11 have been recovered.
>4 rifles were stolen in Durango in April
>Command immediately set up an operation to recover them
>Put up a $100,000 reward for info on the rifles
>Rifles turn up in an empty field somewhere hours later
The army (and more so Marines/Navy) tend to be pretty proactive at fixing leaks because they make them incompetent if this keeps happening. Military personnel are also held to harsher punishments than any other sector in Mexico society. Not much happens to most civil or private employees who get caught pulling crooked shit. One of the theories why the Zetas got stamped out so hard was because they made the army look bad so they basically said they were just going to do what they wanted to get rid of them.
I remember one time one army sting operation tried selling an RPG29 to a Marine sting operation and each side caught the encounter on their own drones. The fact that they can track and arrest people when they actually want to so efficiently really just kind of proves how much of this shit is only the way it is because politicians want to keep it this way.
>The fact that they can track and arrest people when they actually want to so efficiently really just kind of proves how much of this shit is only the way it is because politicians want to keep it this way.
This is true, for politicians, the narco "problem" is not a problem, it's a feature.
Thanks for the info. I wondered what happened to those "Let's imitate an ISIL propaganda video" guys. Nice to know they got splatted.
But how does stuff like El Chapo's son walking away because his cartel guys surrounded/invaded/secured the town he was arrested in happen?
simple answer, the president is a pussy/corrupt or both. the more complex answer(and the one the president used as an excuse) was that keeping the chapo's son under arrest would make the city a war zone. and he wasn't particularly wrong, but at the same time the army was confident enough that it wouldn't happen or that if it would happen, they would squash the narcos in no time
im not denying that. im just stating that the army as a whole entity is capable of squishing the narcos. the problem isn't firepower or manpower(to a degree of course); its mainly particular people and the immediate consequences of eliminating the cartels
Sinaloa cartel is basically semi controlled opposition. There are pretty openly known secrets that the feds have an aggreement not to go after them to hard because they want some sort of order while they go after other cartels. Shit goes down between them when promises are broken. AMLO is a typical nu-liberal who thinks that you can just be nice to narcos so he ordered Chapos son be let go after he was captured. However most Mexicans saw this as completely retarded and THAT would have in effect been allowing narcos to run the show so they later went back and captured him again with a bigger military presence.
I have heard AMLO went against Chapo's son because he pacted with Mayo Zambada, the other mob that ruled the cartel outside Chapo's family. Now the Chapo faction and his successors barely had any power, anymore.
>BEEEERRRRP
>ESTO ES UNA ZONA MILITAR
>EL PASO ESTA PROHIBIDO
economy than Russia, South Korea or Australia
and almost entirely grey or black and untaxed lol
Why did the US not just annex all of Mexico?
Because then the US would have to fix Mexico and the US realized long ago that you can't fix Mexico, parts of it are borderline like Afghanistan where it's tribal groups that all hate each other.
>parts of it are borderline like Afghanistan where it's tribal groups that all hate each other.
That's retarded nonsense. Indians in Mexico are just basically rednecks. There isn't some sort of weird tribal warfare bullshit. They don't even have tribes like in the US. There are different ethnic groups in different parts of the country.
Yeah. Afghanistan literally has people in the mountains who have no idea they live in Afghanistan. They have concept of a country. That's why part of the nation building bs didn't work. Those people only cared about their village and may be some nearby ones on the mountaintops or in the valleys. Mexico is an actual country where everyone in the country is fully aware they live in Mexico. The situations are not the same at all.
Mexico has an underlying racial caste system exactly like India but a little more intermixed and muddied. They don't talk about it outside of Mexico but you only have to look at Univision for a few minutes to see what genetic lineage dominates and controls Mexico. Indios are essentially seen as second class citizens all but in actual designation and it doesn't help they see themselves as that too. They looked how the Guatemalan natives were treated (Genocided) back a couple decades ago and decided they rather not have that happen to them.
That's the root of the "You're not White" meme since genealogy and the amount of Spanish blood they have is important to their identity.
>They don't talk about it outside of Mexico but you only have to look at Univision for a few minutes to see what genetic lineage dominates and controls Mexico.
Most of the "Whites" you see on Mexican TV are Argentines or Lebanese. Mexico actively tried to stop the Guatemalan genocide of the Mayans and took in a bunch of Maya refugees. Hell, Yucatan had a Mayan governor at the time.
>Mexico actively tried to stop the Guatemalan genocide of the Mayans
Thank you, that's blessed.
The Mayan part of Mexico is the most interesting part of Mexico. They're the only natives that could actually be considered as equals to Euros or East Asians. Had a literate population, culture that survived the colonial era and actually persevere via genetic, petroleum, industrial and tourism sectors. Are strong in both right wing and commie politics. It would behoove Mexico if they embraced Maya identity instead of Aztec larp. Mayas I think are the only big Indigenous group in Mexico that is majority middle class and educated.
Mayans also had a prehispanic history of blowguns using metallic penetrators. The Brits sold them rifles in the 1800s and they figured out how to make rudimentary smooth bore firearms from those and won the caste war. Managed to over throw the Spanish and Mestizo Mexicans between 1880 and 1930 and took over the profitable oil industry and other high margin economic segments. No idea why Mayans aren't known of more.
>That's the root of the "You're not White" meme since genealogy and the amount of Spanish blood they have is important to their identity.
I've seen way more non-Mexican foreigners care about this shit than any Mexican I've ever known. In fact most that care about it seem to be "Mexican-Americans". There's kind of a weird racial plateau but not the way you probably think. The totally unmixed segments of Mexican society be they European Mexicans or Amerindian Mexicans are both kind of isolative and not particularly in giant positions of power. The "elites" in Mexico are browns and light browns from Mexico City, Guadalajara, Monterrey etc (mestizos or castizos who are mestizos with more euro ancestry) or literal foreigner origin types like the Lebanese or Chinese. Lebanese are very very well off. They're actually related to israeli people.
Hispanic here, you see, the thing with most Hispanic countries is that at one or another moment in their history they came to realize a race based caste systems wasn't going to work, instead the new deal was that most of the population were mestizos, if not at a genetic level at least in mindset:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizo
It worked, when 50 to 90 percent of your population are mutts and also "family" and "fellow countryman" with the remaining europeans and amerindians the idea of ethnic and religious wars such as the ones seen in Africa and ex-Yugoslavia start losing traction.
There is finally one additional point, people in LATAM are both regional and patriotic, aside from a few meme separatist groups no one really wants to break apart national unity, most people even in faraway rural areas are drilled from early age the idea of belonging to a country even while simultaneously developing a regional identity, and this isn't marred by religion, all things being equal contemporary catholicism is quite tolerant both to non believers and local variants.
LATAM's main problem is social and economic inequality, this is why most of their wars are often rebellions and subversions between left-wing militias and center-right-wing governments, none of them want to fracture the nation but lead it towards a specific path.
>Yndia
I love archaic spellings of Spanish
at the time we didnt know all the mexicans would move here anyway
Why would they invest in tanks when they don't have electricity or water?
...Mexico has a higher GDP per capita than the global average and a higher net GDP than Australia, South Korea, and Spain. They have electricity and running water (because as corrupt as Mexican politicians are they are nothing next to Russians) - what Mexico are you talking about?
>what Mexico are you talking about?
I'm talking about the parts of Mexico that are so bad their citizens are willing to risk their lives to go to another country.
Most migrants into the US from Mexico are Central Americans or mystery foreigners. Prevailing factory wages in Mexico are now higher than US minimum wage after cost of living inflation.
>Median factory wage in Mexico is $4.95 per hour
>US minimum wage is $7.25
>Costs of living in Mexico are on average 40% of those in the US
Grim
why are you so eager to show how retarded you are?
no reason to have an army, the country is effectively conquered by gangs, or atleast very large parts of it are.
army is only needed when you have police that can enforce the state, to protect that order you build an army but if you have no internal national order there's nothing to protect.
hopefully in the coming decades mexicans get their shit together. they will burkele every criminal and pinochet every leftist off a helicopter.if this happens mexico can easily be one of the biggest world powers
>the country is effectively conquered by gangs, or atleast very large parts of it are.
Do Americans really think this? 90% of Mexicans will never interact with a narco.
bro ive seen videos from the past months of full on millitary gun battles between and against gangs
id rather live in gaza than the bad parts of mexico they fucking butchered random people taking a bus and things like that.
mexico needs nothing short of full extermination of gangs, special rules of engagement against them. dungeon for life for anyone gang-affiliated and a bullet to anyone that resists.
anything short of this is a cope, no one will respect mexico before it has law and order
How does that mean gangs run everything? That's like El Salvador in the early 2000s.
no but in some areas you have gang members roaming freely with police too scared to arrest them or just police no go zones
>no but in some areas you have gang members roaming freely with police too scared to arrest them or just police no go zones
That's like saying Black youth gangs control America because police in San Francisco will not arrest them due to their crooked political commanders.
yes
but in mexico this is to a far greater degree as the gangs are richer
Yes, Americans can indeed be this mind boggingly retarded.
>Live in a shitty little town in a shitty little flyover state
>Never leave their state much less their country
>Only information they have on other countries or cities is whatever Fox News or MSM of choice tells them
>Consoom propaganda 24/7
>told all other countries/cities besides their own are literal hellscapes with non stop murders, rapes and pillaging every day of the week, so be very afraid and keep watching
>also buy all this shit
many such cases
I mean, it's a great country and all, but some of y'all are frustratingly stupid
this is what the mexicans who came here told us
fix your gay ass lying migrants then
>If I say I was a victim of narco violence they will give me a free pass to stay with refugee status
Hmmmmm. Not to say that doesn't happen, but most Mexicans don't ever deal with that sort of stuff. In fact a lot of Mexicans don't care about fixing the problem very much because most of the people killing eachother are criminals in places they'll never visit so some have a "let them kill eachother off" mentality. Though when it bleeds into normal society it becomes the big problem. But I think the left segment of politics not addressing that is a big issue in both Mexico and the United States.
>Work with Mexican girl
>Not cute but nice
>Her family owns farm in Michoacán
>Cartel took it over
>Had to pay them to leave
>Legit afraid of visiting her grandparents because they abduct chicanos and hold them for ransom
Chicanos deserve it tbqh
This question, like many others on this board, can easily be answered by "Look at a map."
This is the most important answer. Mexico is in effect uninvadable by conventional means by anyone but the US who also can't due to geopolitics unless shit really gets bad enough to warrant it.
>Extreme mountain terrain (negates most tanks and heavy armored vehicles)
>High population used to living under stressful conditions and high tolerance towards violence
>Population that's just smart enough to understand complex tactics, disciplined guerilla tactics,
>Warfare would cause unprecedented humanitarian crisis
>Gigantic manufacturing industry, currently the 6th largest, projected to be the 4th largest in a decade; can be repurposed towards a war economy
>In a socio-economic death pact with the US guaranteeing intervention of they're attacked from anyone that's even vaguely anti-America
>Has and can make enriched uranium and has the industry to manufacture huge dirty bombs even though they can't make nukes or ICBMS
The Mexican military focuses on basically creating a heavily industrialized guerilla force that would hold up in mountains, jungles, forests and rural towns. Mexico is known for deserts and tropical beaches but in reality most of it's mountains and Mexico City is rainier than London. They should actually have a good air force but it seems like they'll probably fix that because they're starting to invest heavily in aerospace. I suspect that they'll buy Brazilian Gripens and possible get a small number of stealthy fighters from Turkey or Korea who they've been building up military industrial ties with. If they play their cards right maybe a small number of F35s. Mexico builds and exports drones too so I think they're going to go heavily into that like Turkey. Their navy also has domestic shipbuilding and proper missile and radar programs ongoing so I think that'll grow too with their industry since they want to start building a lot of tankers and cruise ships too. Mexico is basically where China was 30 years ago but is US friendly.
What this country needs is better access to guns and ammo for citizens and less restrictions on calibres.
>you can only own up to .380
>no rifles unless you are part of a gun club
>no carrying on you or in your car
>you can only buy a gun from an Army store
>Only one store in the entire country
Fucking this, fuck the army and fuck the government. Bunch of brainless useless retards.
I want my guns back.
just checked what was in stock. What is the best .380 option? I'm between:
>cz p07
>beretta 84fs
>glock 25
>mendoza pm1 cuz muh mexican gun
https://www.gob.mx/cms/uploads/attachment/file/865296/EXISTENCIAS_DE_ARMAS_20_Oct.pdf
I say go for the Mendoza for the reason you mentioned, none of us Amerifats have one.
Mendoza actually exports to the US. Just not very often. They made good 22 plinkers.
Maybe I will pick one up someday.
Man I'm going to miss living only 3 hours from the border.
new mexico-US ATF shit. they tried to bury smuggling via vehicle with diplomatic plates. it's suggested that the ATF never notified mexico
https://reuters.com/world/former-us-firearms-investigator-illegally-trafficked-guns-mexico-govt-doc-2023-10-20
>MONTERREY, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Jose Luis Meneses, a Mexican national who worked as an investigator for ATF at the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, admitted to buying firearm parts online and at a California gun store and trafficking them into Mexico for profit back in 2017, according to the letter and an ATF memo from the time obtained by Reuters.
>The case has not been previously reported.
Because half of it will end up in the hands of the cartels? You want them to have tanks?
It's surprising no Air Force jets were stolen/seized by the cartel.
How many times have narcos been found with HWK11s or MILAN? Americans are delusional. This is like saying that BLM will be driving around in Abrams.
How can you live like this?
Like, how can you be this retarded and still be able to do basic tasks?
What everyone seems to forget about world militaries, is that without conscription the government is just another employer. In general the bulk of the world's militaries are made up of poor to middle class citizens who want a decent paying job. That's it!
In Mexico, for poor to middle class people there is an employer who pays better and offers similar risk profile. Why go work for the government?
>mexican military is not big
But the US military is the biggest in the World?
Because mexican politicians know very well no external force will attack the country as long as the US is the superpower military hegemon of the world.
And if the US is the one attacking, it would be game over no matter if the Armed Forces is given 50% of the total GDP of the country.
The other reason you would need a strong army is narcos, but people here overestimate the military power of the narcos. The truth is, mexican armed forces could wipe them in less than a month if they really wanted to, but surprise surprise! they don't.
>The truth is, mexican armed forces could wipe them in less than a month if they really wanted to, but surprise surprise! they don't.
and its not like they don't want to, its because of the politics in power and the nationwide instability that'll bring
But it's not like the military forces are free of guilt, both politicians and some higher-ups in the army are in narcos' pockets. Check about Salvador Cienfuegos, for example.
Some narco lords paid them to gain immunity and tell them to attack other narco groups, but not them. That's the reason some cartels grow big under one president mandate, then fragment or even disappear when such president leave office.
>Why doesn't Mexico have any meaningful armed forces?
Corruption and their shitty attitude towards their gov when it comes to voting.
Hell, Costa Rica doesn't even have a military since they know the US will protect them.
The potential of army officers of plotting coups are high in Latam states.
Quite frankly most of them would be better off without militaries and instead channel those resources to improve Police forces and Gendarmeries.
Plus, a well equipped and trained Civil Protection corp.
It’s a country filled to the brim with hapless mongrels that want nothing but to escape the company of their fellow turdmunching goblins and be amongst white people. Many such cases.
Why would they? The only realistic threat of invasion is the USA and how could they hope to beat them?
Interesting part of Mexican history I hadn't heard about til recently and was kind of forgotten after the Mexican-American War:
>Be US, pushing west, fighting Indians
>Republic of Texas secedes from Mexico in 1836
>Texans encounter particular bloodthirsty tribe in their West, the Comance
>Texas and US make peace with Comanche. Tell them they can raid Mexico instead
>Comanche do, the Comanche don't directly border Mexico so just pass through US land
>Mexicans therefore can't invade back
>Comanche Raids make it almost to Mexico City
Would be fun to see a leftie take on it as it's an example of the Natives winning against the colonials pretty late in the game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche%E2%80%93Mexico_Wars
>in 1847, traveler Josiah Gregg said that "the whole country from New Mexico to the borders of Durango is almost entirely depopulated. The haciendas and ranchos have been mostly abandoned, and the people chiefly confined to the towns and cities."
>When American troops invaded northern Mexico in 1846 and 1847 they found a devastated landscape and a demoralized people. There was little resistance to the Anglo-Americans. Some Mexicans in the north perhaps hoped that the U.S. would be more successful in fighting the "barbarians" than Mexican forces had been
Should do it again to take out the Cartels.
Have Apache, Navajo, etc. US troops go in. When lefties complain about muh imperialism, just say the Natives were there first
>Would be fun to see a leftie take on it as it's an example of the Natives winning against the colonials pretty late in the game.
>Numunuu Sookobitu
>Mexicoo Dood, wat nou?
IIRC the Mayans actually succeeded in over throwing the Spanish speaking Mexicans in the Yucatan peninsula in the 1800s after the British sold them guns and they figured out how to make more based on their experience making blow guns. They'd attack Mexicans then retreat back into British held Belize. Perfidious Anglo strikes again.
After their prior civil war they have bad memories about militaries, and geography dictates they don't need much.
That said they could benefit from some modest upgrades like new Gustafs.
No need to, although I’m suprised given their mountainous and vast terrain they haven’t adopted more of a air cav role, utilizing attack helicopters and light attack aircraft more.
They have a pretty decent helo fleet actually but just have MD500s for attack roles. Starting to build up a drone industry as well. Surprisingly coherent aerial AWACS/ELINT infrastructure too. They'd be a prime candidate for the Bell 360 light attack helicopter IMO. Textron already has manufacturing in Mexico to boot.