Why doesn't HK sell rifles to the Civilian Market

Euro companies like FN do, why doesn't HK?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll start this off by pointing out that they do sell some rifles, like the MR556A1.

    There are many reasons why they won't sell a particular product though. For starters, US import laws are a b***h (as is the case with many countries). In the 20th century, the government made regulations to protect local industries, which affected foreign manufacturers of many industries like the car industry and the gun industry.

    If you really want an SL8 or G36 then understand that importing them is such a pain that they would have to resort to manufacturing them in the country, and I guess that there isn't enough incentive to do so.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How does FN get around this though? Or other companies like IWI, etc. They don't turn their guns into abominations for the civilian market like H&K do for the UMP, SL8 and more

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll start this off by pointing out that they do sell some rifles, like the MR556A1.

        There are many reasons why they won't sell a particular product though. For starters, US import laws are a b***h (as is the case with many countries). In the 20th century, the government made regulations to protect local industries, which affected foreign manufacturers of many industries like the car industry and the gun industry.

        If you really want an SL8 or G36 then understand that importing them is such a pain that they would have to resort to manufacturing them in the country, and I guess that there isn't enough incentive to do so.

        HK is one of the few companies that actively lobbied against the Gun Control Act because of the import ban. Prior to it, HK actively sold HK91's and HK94 (MP5)'s openly on the US civilian market.
        German law states military rifles made in Germany are collectively the intellectual property of the state, and forbidden from export to civilians unless substantially modified in such a way to make them distinct from their military counterpart.
        FN has a US manufacturing facility, and Belgium allows them to export technical data packages for firearms along with firearms & parts in the US. Prior to the arrival of US-made SCARs, they were imported into the US with fixed stocks, unfinished magwells only capable of accepting a single stack magazine, and no muzzle device to circumvent the GCA.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >GCA
          AWB*

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >HK actively sold HK91
          Friend has an HK911
          > HK
          > make HK91
          > Bush 41 passes foreign made AW import ban
          > bans rifles by name
          > bunch of HK91 already in transit
          > importer stamps an extra '1' on the model number
          > instant HK911
          He found it at a gun show. Boomer had bought it for deer hunting and didn't like it.
          A rare case of boomer not knowing what he had.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Bush sr. bans the rifle you're importing
            >rename rifle to the 9/11 and sell it anyways
            Was it prophesy?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >boomer has HK91 & a set of stamps
            >listen here sonny this is a really rare piece
            Yeah I believe that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >German law states military rifles made in Germany are collectively the intellectual property of the state,
          no, it says that production, distribution and ownership of "weapons of war" require authorization. fully automatic rifles are defined as weapons of war. to not be a weapon of war, a semi-auto rifle must be sufficiently incompatible with wwapons of war and the production lines must be completely separate.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How does FN get around this though?
        They build all the guns they want to sell to US consumers in the US. HK insists on only making certain things in their US factories and making other things in their Euro factories.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I don't understand why HK doesn't bring more products to make in their US factories if import laws are such a big deal. There's clearly a market for HK rifles and PCCs etc.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There's clearly a market for HK rifles and PCCs etc.
            Its smaller than you think. Many larpers would rather buy turkshit clones rather than authentic HK products. The large company must have done the market research and realized that it wouldn't be profitable.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Many larpers would rather buy turkshit clones rather than authentic HK products.
              With good reason lol. People used to put huge amounts of effort into clipping the ends off of push-pins and then gluing them in place on their HK "lower" housing to make it look like a real one. Now you can just buy one that uses a pin there like the real thing. Do you prefer your gun to say "READ OWNER MANUAL BEFORE USE" "GUN FIRES WITHOUT MAGAZINE" etc, or not? You can buy one that doesn't say all that shit.
              Frick HK.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you prefer your gun to say "READ OWNER MANUAL BEFORE USE" "GUN FIRES WITHOUT MAGAZINE" etc, or not?
                Look, warning signs like that often help with liability. Who knows how many morons hurt themselves and then tried to blame the product before HK decided to add those warnings to help them prove that the injured party is a dumbass in court.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have you seen how much of an hard time even fricking beretta had to try and make their tn factory run smoothly with Black person workers and rednecks?
            And it was with such a simple design as the 92. Imagine having americans who haven't been able to make a fricking ak that lasts more than 2k rounds try and make an mp5 etc.
            Just look at the shitshow of the mr556

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MR556A1
      Wow, they sell a gun functionally identical to 100 others on the US market.
      >If you really want an SL8 or G36 then understand that importing them is such a pain that they would have to resort to manufacturing them in the country, and I guess that there isn't enough incentive to do so.
      G36 is a problem with German law, not any US restriction. SL8 was sold in the US during the federal AWB, halted production for like 15 years, and now is being sold again starting in 2021.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >US import laws are a b***h
      True
      >as is the case in many countries
      nope, some countries might have tight laws with civilian gun ownership, but when you are allowed semiautos they can be easily imported as is unlike the US with their bullshit single stack magwell etc.
      In any euro country ar-15s, aks etc are all imported as is and how much of a pain is obtaining a license comes afterward.
      A relevant example would be the differences that make the MR556 you burgers get a shitstain of a firearm, meanwhile an MR223 is literally a 416 minus the FA capability.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >nope, some countries might have tight laws with civilian gun ownership.
        I wasn't talking specifically about gun imports, I was talking about import laws in general. Every country has some to protect their local industries.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you suck, and we hate you.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unrelated, but if you throw in random words in a title for your auction/video/whatever, frick you I hope you get castrated with a pool noodle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NOT AK-47 NOT AR-15 NOT SKS NOT GARAND NOT M14 NOT m1 CARBINE NOT GLOCK NOT 1911 NOT H&K HOLY GRAIL UNICORN RARE MATCHING PARTS ruger 10/22 with tapco stock (used)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not operator

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If its any consolation the boomers that do this are getting rekt by AI

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HK is one of the few companies that actually tried to lobby against the AWB in america. many gun companies supported it and many still donate to democrats.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/03bvsMb.jpeg

      [...]
      HK is one of the few companies that actively lobbied against the Gun Control Act because of the import ban. Prior to it, HK actively sold HK91's and HK94 (MP5)'s openly on the US civilian market.
      German law states military rifles made in Germany are collectively the intellectual property of the state, and forbidden from export to civilians unless substantially modified in such a way to make them distinct from their military counterpart.
      FN has a US manufacturing facility, and Belgium allows them to export technical data packages for firearms along with firearms & parts in the US. Prior to the arrival of US-made SCARs, they were imported into the US with fixed stocks, unfinished magwells only capable of accepting a single stack magazine, and no muzzle device to circumvent the GCA.

      Why don't they go the ak route and modify the guns once they land in US?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're German and snobs. Although Sig has become sole-sourced by the military for development and makes shit in New Hampshire. FN are real homies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they don't have a facility in the US to do the work. FN has a big plant in SC making rifles and machine guns for military contracts. HK doesn't want to open one because the civilian market won't buy enough of their guns to make it worth it. The US market is so flooded with AR15s that the price of them is driven down and other designs can't compete. As is, the SL8 is $1,800, but it isn't as good as a $1,800 AR15. The AR15 and it's ubiquity kills any business case for any other rifle in the US civilian market.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's literally unfeasible with HK guns.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Euro companies like FN do

    You'd be surprised. All the civilian MSR's in Europe are imported from FN America, and not locally produced. FN Herstal fricking hates selling anything to civilians there, especially after a Dutch gunsmith rerouted some P90's and F2000's through Jordan in the early 2000's

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you can buy HK SL8 in Germany and probably also the rest of europe but delivery times are 10-12 months because of order backlog

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because FN has always been the superior company but /k/'s favorite guns in movies and vidya are H&Ks so they gotta demonize the waffles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Life must be miserable for you.
      >Everything happens in such a way that lets me put others down to feel less shitty
      Most things in life aren't PvP, and you better believe HK would be willing to sell more rifles if they could.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Weird export rules.
    H&K will happily sell you a semi-auto G36 if you live in the EU.
    But Germany has convoluted and fricked up rules about exporting shit outside of Europe.
    Much like how American companies can't export modern night vision/thermals outside the US.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Daniel Defense sells guns to civilians
    And now they are going to lose their ass in court because Call of Duty and dead school kids

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lose what jeet? They're protected by law rom getting sued by moronic mexicans.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lol that case is pathetic and will fail miserably, otherwise car manufacturers will be liable for every death caused by someone driving their creations. ill let you figure out which causes more deaths every year aka how much money is on the line.

        Remington and Bushmaster getting sued by Sandy Hook families and settling for $73 million says otherwise

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Read my post again moronic shitskin.
          Also source for that info 🙂 ?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They settled because they couldn’t be bothered to deal with the lawsuit on top of bankruptcy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol that case is pathetic and will fail miserably, otherwise car manufacturers will be liable for every death caused by someone driving their creations. ill let you figure out which causes more deaths every year aka how much money is on the line.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        car manufacturers don't have to worry about a small army of anti-car zealots, funded by billionaires who's goal is to sue them out of business.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >UN Enemy State Clause
    Communism. And the shitbrained belief that Russia wouldn't skull frick them under their aegis.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They purposely limit supply so they can maintain their boutique image and charge more for their cheap guns. If they imported enough to be common, they would only be able to sell them for a fraction of the price

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I proudly own H&K and FN products

  13. 2 weeks ago
    chatgpt

    Heckler & Koch (HK) doesn't sell many of its rifles to the civilian market primarily due to a combination of strict regulations and company policies influenced by both German and U.S. laws.

    Regulatory Restrictions: Both Germany and the U.S. impose strict regulations on firearms, especially those that can be used in military contexts. German export laws are particularly stringent about selling weapons that are similar to their military counterparts. This makes it difficult for HK to get approval to export these firearms for civilian use (HKPRO Forums) (GAT Daily (Guns Ammo Tactical)).

    Economic Considerations: The cost and complexity of modifying military-grade weapons to meet civilian standards and then getting them approved for export/import is often prohibitively expensive. HK has to navigate through numerous bureaucratic hurdles, which include meeting specific requirements laid out by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and this process can be both time-consuming and costly (GAT Daily (Guns Ammo Tactical)) (HKPRO Forums).

  14. 2 weeks ago
    chatgpt

    Market Focus: HK has traditionally focused more on military and law enforcement contracts, where the bulk of their sales come from. This strategic focus means that the civilian market is often a lower priority, and the company may not see sufficient financial incentive to make the necessary adjustments to sell more extensively to civilians (GAT Daily (Guns Ammo Tactical)) (HKPRO Forums).

    Historical Context: Previous legislative actions, such as the import bans enacted by President Bush Sr. and later codified into law, have had a long-lasting impact on the availability of certain types of firearms in the U.S. civilian market. These laws categorized many of HK's firearms as unsuitable for sporting purposes, further limiting their importation (HKPRO Forums).

    In summary, the combination of regulatory constraints, high compliance costs, and HK's strategic focus on military and law enforcement markets largely explains why HK rifles are less accessible to the civilian market.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    chatgpt

    anyway my vibe was "because they're nazis" basically
    you should learn to use chatgpt
    it's basically lrn 2 google

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have contributed nothing to this conversation, you asked a question to a chatbot and got an answer, one that's far too long and verbose for the information it contains and isn't even entirely correct. Then you posted this (partially false) information without validating it and have made this already shit board slightly more shit.
      I think that you should have a nice day, to be totally honest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying someone moronic enough to ask a chatbot questions has the mental capacity to commit suicide
        Maybe he'll choke on his tongue while consulting a magic 8 ball for stock info

  16. 2 weeks ago
    chatgpt

    now none of their weapons will end up in your dumbass hands sullying their image

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