Why doesnt electronic warfare work against drones?

Why do both the west and east depend that electronic warfare is the answer to countering drones? Does electronic warfare work against drones?
pic rel is tank with lots and lots of different ew systems destroyed by drone

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesnt electronic warfare work against drones?
    it does

    >pic rel is tank with lots and lots of different ew systems destroyed by drone
    except for the fact that the drone destroying it had to approach from a narrow corridor outside its range, if EW did not work, then the drone could approach from any angle

    while that vulnerability could be exploited, and was in that instance, this is not surprising considering the relatively crude and quick nature of the conversion compared to a dedicated EW suite

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If the jammer is only blocking certain frequencies and the drone is set on a different one from those being blocked then the drone will continue unimpeded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      then ew is useless no? if there is always a workaround ew it would be cyclical

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        EW is a game of both knowledge and balance. You need to know what the enemy needs, and balance it with your own ability to use those frequencies.
        Using EW hardware is also inherently handing out information about it. Block everything you can immediately? Now you can't surprise your enemy with your capabilities during an offensive. Have all your assets on at once? Congrats, you just told your enemy roughly how many you have and where they are.
        I'm oversimplifying but EW is more complex than just turning on a jammer and seeing if it stops the death drones.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >then ew is useless no?

        getting really tired of OPs who ask a question then shut down any answer they get.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          are you going to do something about it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >then ew is useless no? if there is always a workaround ew it would be cyclical

        It's useful because you don't just stick to a single frequency or a single method of jamming so the enemy has to keep adapting.
        And it's easier to switch frequency every few seconds from a dedicated EW system than it is to do it on a drone which needs reliable and stable communications to be guided.

        It's useless if you act like a vatBlack person, strap the magical box on your tank, blast it continously at the same frequency (and so reveal your position) and call it a day.

        Skill is as important as equipment.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >easier to switch frequency every few seconds from a dedicated EW system....[don
          t] blast it continously at the same frequency
          A lot of EW blast ALL the frequencies, at the same time. This is powerful but takes a lot of power and isn't something that is man-portable.

          >(and so reveal your position)
          EW will reveal your position no matter what you do. Even with "fancy" tricks like directed beams and select frequency targeting is still lighting up the target....and you. This is just the nature of the beast since at the end of the day you're till shouting into the electromagnetic spectrum.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if X can be defeated its useless no?
        That is the very basis of the sophistry on this board anon.
        Everything can be defeated.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it does work, the problem russia has is their systems are just shit, for a case were ew works look at israel who has decent systems hence why drones aren't a problem for them

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because that's actually an air conditioner they stole and painted green.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sorry, did you just say they have a...
      <ahem>,
      Air-Conditioner?
      I happen to be uh... looking for something.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If these boxes are full of supposedly sophisticated EW equipment, why couldn't they design an enclosure and weld some steel frames together instead of making this ISIS-tier contraption?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because pallet is pallet.
      Rope is rope.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wait so they do have pallets? I thought that was alien technology… /k/ you lied to me!!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Russian Army is a learning organization. Special ed, that is, please understand.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a possibility that it did work- I read an article about some Polish drones in Ukraine that have some AI based image recognition and terminal guidance capability.
    Maybe you could tell it to fly to such and such GPS coordinates and crash into the first tank it sees.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    those are really simple - they pump out high powered noise overpowering drones ability to filter out real signal - and if you tinker with commercial drones software it will continue going where it was headed originally - and that means if ew platform stops moving even cheap drones will eventually hit it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And what form of EW would you consider 'advanced' ? Microwaves? With tinkering still EW would fail to stop a drone from continuing to its target no matter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        by simple i mean pumping noise on static frequencies around you - more advanced system would track the drone and overpower its emitted signal selectively, microvave emmiter is more of directed emergy weapon breed like lasers than EW used to block out or scramble signals like gps jamming

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they pump out high powered noise overpowering drones ability to filter out real signal

      I think its pretty funny that most people dont know this and think EW is some kind of advanced AI-powered remote hacking, as opposed to it just being an antenna that just spams selected frequencies with garbage

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That is the most basic and lamest kind of jamming. I wouldn't be surprised if that's mostly what they are doing, its been reported over and over the Russians have a deconfliction problem. You'd think eventually they would learn how to deconflict EW with comms but if their tools are mostly broadband noise jammers then you can't do much to deconflict.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I know there are western platforms that can lock onto alibaba tier drones, get their serial number and operation location from them and force them to land. They aren't the biggest or most advanced systems either.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what you're thinking about is Aeroscope, a DJI product that detects the ID and position data that DJI drones send since a few years. it might work a little on other commercial drones from the big manufacturers. especially since they now all have to send ID/position in the US by law
          none of this applied to DIY builds like we see now in ukraine

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes thats it, that's public domain stuff, you could assume there's something a lot more advanced stuff held at secret levels.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Aeroscope and other manufacturer built-in software interception methods no longer apply in this war.

          Ukraine increasingly assembles their own drones from China parts (motors, controller boards, cameras, transmitters, all purchased by the crateful). This is cheaper, and they do their own software for them, but there are open-source drone C&C repositories out there if you're curious.

          Some standardized parts kits have been worked out by the Ukies as a good bang/buck deal, and have been published. There are other standard ones they are hush hush about, plus they're constantly tweaking and hacking away to make Russian Removal cheaper. Check this out: https://nicedrones.notion.site/13cc6b42b0104da4847bc2a7e4a800c9

          If DJI drones ARE used, and they sometimes are, both sides first flash the drone with their own firmware to remove the Aeroscope vulnerabilities.

          what you're thinking about is Aeroscope, a DJI product that detects the ID and position data that DJI drones send since a few years. it might work a little on other commercial drones from the big manufacturers. especially since they now all have to send ID/position in the US by law
          none of this applied to DIY builds like we see now in ukraine

          >they now all have to send ID/position in the US by law
          Probably 3 seconds to remove this, if you care to do so and did an afternoon's worth of research. You do void all warranty and support on your somewhat expensive drone, just like any jailbreaking of a physical device.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >they do their own software for them
            do they? basically all the DVR we're seeing is plain old BF

            >flash the drone with their own firmware to remove the Aeroscope vulnerabilities
            when DJI drones expect signed FW files?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            thanks for the parts lists tho!!!

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesnt electronic warfare work against drones?

    Russian electronics.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Does electronic warfare work against drones?
    It "works" in the sense that drones can be vulnerable to it, and have to counter it. Just as aircraft spawned air defense, but still today neither side has decisively "won", drones and their countermeasures are always evolving and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

    (Disclaimer: the below is meant with respect to the current hugely cost-optimized homegrown drones, I know plenty of it has long existed in the much more expensive ones.)

    On the one hand, so much has already happened:
    - The ongoing dance between new frequencies and new jammers
    - Hunting for antennas and blowing them up along with the pilots
    - Remote antennas, so only the antenna gets blown up
    - Repeaters on bigger drones to give the smaller ones more range and jamming resistance
    - Directional and tracking antennas, for the same purpose
    - Intercepting video feeds to find a drone or even its pilot
    - Computer vision object detection (i.e., basic AI) for terminal guidance, making jamming much less useful at close range
    - Thermal cameras for night operations and detection by heat signature
    - Drone on drone combat (so far by ramming, mostly)
    - Failsafe self-destruction to prevent the enemy from capturing your drone
    - Hidden GPS trackers so the enemy reveals their position if they take it for analysis

    (1/2)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      (2/2)

      On the other hand, we're still so early. There are plenty of developments that are conceptually obvious, and are probably being considered and developed already, but haven't been seen yet, to my knowledge:
      - Drone-to-drone weapons, such as nets
      - Proliferation of air defense targeted to drones, ranging from a crude automated shotgun turret on a Buhanka to directed energy weapons for high-value equipment
      - Encrypted comms to prevent snooping and spoofing
      - Frequency hopping to make jamming more difficult
      - Direction finding on drones to hunt down enemy drones, pilots, and jammers, eventually refined into automated home-on-jam
      - Recharging in the field (e.g. solar panels, inductive charging from power lines) for greater endurance
      - Smart sights for drop drones that account for things like heading and wind speed
      - Control over IP, so the link can easily be extended over existing networks like Starlink or cellular
      - Integration with situational awareness systems
      - Seeding drones that can be remotely activated days or weeks later

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How far is the development on feeding drones?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder when tracking EW emissions will become.

        https://i.imgur.com/8TAQfx7.gif

        >they pump out high powered noise overpowering drones ability to filter out real signal

        I think its pretty funny that most people dont know this and think EW is some kind of advanced AI-powered remote hacking, as opposed to it just being an antenna that just spams selected frequencies with garbage

        I wonder how they track EW emissions

        But it does? Read any report by any research institute/think tank on that matter.
        Last RUSI number we had here recently was like 90% success rate vs FPV drones for instance.

        do they track EW emissions?

        Electromagnetic emissions?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. One major issue is that both sides make extensive use of jamming. So just shooting at emissions is a great way for BoB. Turning off your jammers would also alarm the enemy and increase the amount of drones making it to target by an order of magnitude.
          The issue is substantially more complicated than
          >just shoot at emitters, bro

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Picture it like this.
          You're in a room full of people with the lights turned off.
          You need to identify the enemy and hit them without accidentally hitting friendly people.
          You can't ask anyone anything because everyone is screaming and the second they stop, the enemy finds them.
          You can't go based on position because your people are all over the place.
          How do you find the enemy?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Seeding drones that can be remotely activated days or weeks later
        are they grown yet

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But it does? Read any report by any research institute/think tank on that matter.
    Last RUSI number we had here recently was like 90% success rate vs FPV drones for instance.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It works but there are no videos of the times it worked because the EW worked.
    It just doesn’t work perfectly and it’s not feasible to do it everywhere and all the time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it doesnt work

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But it does. You don't see the videos where a drone loses control before reaching the front

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