Why does Ukraine want these? S-300 and S-400s can shoot them down quite easily.

I don’t understand it.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Western long range missiles that they can't use in their migs.
    It would unlock a lott of diferent munitions types and while it isn't the best for ukraines situation it's avalible in high numbers so getting it isn't too fat fetched.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arent Russian R-77s equal to Aim 120s? What else can they fit into it? I can see f-16s having better radar and manoeuvre, but aren't both missiles nowadays fire and forget?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Aim 120
        There's a lot of AIM 120 variants (like the AIM-9).

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >R-77s
        They aren't that good at intercepting fighters. As far as I understand, they just launch a lot of them against the Ukrainians and get some hits just by virtue of probability

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why putin wants more siberian meat? they're easily turned into minced meat.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No S-300/S-400 can't shoot them easily.
    Ukraine wants them because there's a lot of them and they can shoot a wide variety of rockets, some of which allow to completely dominate air against SU-35 and others to reliably suppress and destroy S-300/S-400 from far beyond their effective range.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      An f-16 can dodge a missile from s-300/s-400.

      On the other hand, an s-300/s-400 will have a much tougher time dodging or shooting down HARMS fired from an f-16

      If they have them in significant numbers, they can suppress the Russian AA, even if they suffer some losses in the process, it would allow them to provide more air-support for their troops, a significant improvement over what they can do now. It's unlikely the will get them tho. The Ukrainian airforce commander really wanted f-16s for the counter-offensive, saying that it's impossible for them to have a successful offensive without F-16s or anything that provides similar capabilities. He's probably exaggerating by saying that it's impossible to conduct a successful counter-offensive without having more air capability, but either way, it doesn't seem to have provoked any reaction by the west to start training pilots or preparing planes to donate them

      If Russia can get the wreckage of an F-16 that is shot down they can reverse engineer the tech and use it in their aircraft. More specifically the targeting technology and radar.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mate if the russians don't have the tech in an F16 yet I don't know what to tell them

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          F-16’s get upgrades that Russia may or may not have yet. Specifically the targeting systems, radar systems even radar jamming tech gets upgraded quite often.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine is not getting the newest model.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        If they send F-16s eventually, they won't send them with the latest upgrades or any fancy modern tech

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        If Russia needs to reverse engineer forty year old tech, we’ll that says more about them than anything else, doesn’t it?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >reverse engineer
        Black person they can't even produce THEIR OWN tech. They have to source chips from stolen washing machines and chinese toasters. They have 0 capability to reverse engineer and produce anything in any capacity beyond a cargo cult replica. If they did, they wouldn't be fielding museum pieces.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    An f-16 can dodge a missile from s-300/s-400.

    On the other hand, an s-300/s-400 will have a much tougher time dodging or shooting down HARMS fired from an f-16

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    If they have them in significant numbers, they can suppress the Russian AA, even if they suffer some losses in the process, it would allow them to provide more air-support for their troops, a significant improvement over what they can do now. It's unlikely the will get them tho. The Ukrainian airforce commander really wanted f-16s for the counter-offensive, saying that it's impossible for them to have a successful offensive without F-16s or anything that provides similar capabilities. He's probably exaggerating by saying that it's impossible to conduct a successful counter-offensive without having more air capability, but either way, it doesn't seem to have provoked any reaction by the west to start training pilots or preparing planes to donate them

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Ukraine want infantry? Even small arms can shoot them quite easily

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Their logic is that they are made in big numbers. Can do human waves with them that way I guess.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they can't shoot them down that easily. Both sides have been flying daily over the last 432 days and both sides have battered but intact air forces. Picrel includes US estimates for aircraft casualties. SAM sites are not an insta-kill everything proof shield, they degrade the enemy over time.
    Everyone here is saying air defense is the big factor of why conventional manned air power is not that big a factor in this war... that is a fricking lie. The real reason air forces have been a non-factor is very simple, Soviet/Russian equipment, PGM's especially suck ass.
    Give Ukraine 100 F-16's with access to the full suite of Western air launched weapons and sure, half of them may be gone in a years time but between now and then the sheer amount of devastation they'll do to the Russian army is fricking ridiculous.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >S-300 and S-400’s can shoot them down quite easily
    May I see it?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I guess if they get delivered to Ukraine you can

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    > S-300 and S-400’s can shoot them down quite easily
    Maybe in competent hands.
    But we’ve all seen how competent the Russians are

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They Ukrainians did lose a decent chunk of their airforce. I don't know why /k/ likes to pretend otherwise

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that it’s “a decent chunk” and not “all of it” says everything

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The fact that Russia lost "a lot" of tanks but not "all of them" says everything

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine was not boasting about being the second strongest army in the world

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Right, still good enough to cause a lot of damage to the Ukrainian airforce

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                No. Because if Russia was competent, there wouldn’t be a Ukrainian Air Force anymore. The fact that there is one, shows that Russia is incompetent. Therefore, the F-16 will have no problems with SA-10s

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >60 fixed-wing aircraft, all types in one year.
                That doesn't sound like "quite easily", especially considering Ukraine has been doing gravity bombing and dumb rocket attacks while F-16's use stand-off munitions.

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                If Russia can get the wreckage of an F-16 that is shot down they can reverse engineer the tech and use it in their aircraft. More specifically the targeting technology and radar.

                How would they do that if most of the armament is standoff. So long as appropriately tanged missiles are given the F-16 never needs to enter Russian territory.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >60 fixed-wing aircraft, all types in one year
                Ukraine doesn't have 5k planes FYI. 60 planes lost is a meaningful number for them

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                They just got dozens of new MiG-29's replacing most of those losses, I don't see how 50-100 more F-16's is going to hurt them.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't see how 50-100 more F-16's is going to hurt them
                What do you mean? I never said that getting F-16s would hurt them

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It can fire long range missiles. Imagine a HIMARS you can have take off, get somewhere at Mach 2 to dump missiles.

    It can be shot down but this is a much harder thing to do if it is just dumping standoff weapons.

    Also, some F-16s can go up and, with help, locate those Russian AA systems. Then they fire radar seeking missiles at them. Then the S-400 gets destroyed or has to move, etc. Basically, you can't just set up air defense systems and run them at all times because then the enemy can figure out where they are. You turn them on when you have other systems giving you a warning, and try to get a good enough lock to fire. But while you do this your AA is also exposed to fire.

    Also, if Russia ever does make a major advance, they will be pushing into Ukrainian AA without their own up. You can help stop the penetration with close air support. Much harder to safely set up AA on the move.

    Russia did this with the Kharkiv collapse. Yeah, the lost an embarrassing amount of aircraft to MANPADS just hurling shit in, but by all accounts the aircraft did cause significant losses for the advancing Ukrainians and help stop the rout. Likewise, if Ukraine ever gets a breakthrough jets represent a way to have highly mobile AA come in to help defend the advance from the air.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Resale value is pretty good on those

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fox Three missiles, so they can shoot down those annoying vatniks from 160 clicks away, also GBUs.

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