Why does the eternal Brit resist the AR platform?

Why does the eternal Brit resist the AR platform?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    how many times will you make these threads?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably just warriortard realising he needs to change his tune every now and then to avoid being immediately trolled. L85 hate is probably a safer bet for him than Warrior hate, as the gun still carries a lot of the bad reputation of the legendarily shitty A1 version (the fact that the M16 and its derivatives don't carry the same stigma probably shows us that this is just more of the same 'LOL BRITAN BAD!' shit you find everywhere online though). Either ignore the threads, remind him how pathetic he is, or just talk about something more interesting in them.

      On that last note does anyone know if the GLSDB would benefit from being air launched?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >is still 11 lb somehow
        L85 was never good, current variants just make it not dangerously bad

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Tell me you only know the memes without saying that you only know the memes.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Coping about "muh memes" won't shave that 2.5 lb off your gun any faster Nigel

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Remind me again what the US adopted?
              A 2 metre long 20kg rifle with a 20 round mag?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The only thing remotely resembling that description would be a fricking BAR. You know, the 20 lb (not kg) rifle retired 30 years before the SA80 saw the light of day. Bongs are really scraping the barrel.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                try the NGSW

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, you mean the rifle that's 2.5 lb lighter and nearly the same length if you remove the suppressor?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is warriortard.
        He's doing other varied threads too but I'm keeping mum because you'll also notice it eventually, he's that obvious.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is warriortard.
        He's doing other varied threads too but I'm keeping mum because you'll also notice it eventually, he's that obvious.

        His spam about the rapier seems to have been a flop, mostly because noone gives a shit about an obsolete 40 year old weapon system that isn't even used anymore.
        I wonder why he thought that would be a good idea? I fully expect a thread to come up soon like
        >Why did the bongs think the Baker Rifle would be a good idea? IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE CARTRIDGES! YOU HAVE TO LOAD THE PROJECTILE AND THE PROPELLANT SEPERATELY! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!????

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I rather like the Rapier. I don't know what it is, but SACLOS SAMs just feel comfy. Also at this point he might actually get more traction out of thought experiments of obsolete and historical kit against the best the Russian military can produce.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >posts bullpup AR
    >says it's not a AR
    Contrarianism suits no one.

  3. 11 months ago
    Indian Shill

    SAS literally uses AR variants. Heck they have AR-10 DMR's in their standard military. LMT shit. Super sexy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >LMT shit
      Thought it was the Kiwis who did

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kiwis have a 5.56 service rifle, Bongs have a 7.62 DMR

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kiwis have that same marksman rifle too, adopted it before changing the service rifle from the steyr. But it has on it an adjustable Leupold scope and offset irons rather than an ACOG

          What’s the yellow thing?

          Blank firing adapter

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      hate bullpups
      hate lightweight equipment
      luv me l129a1
      simple as

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      hate M193
      hate M855
      hate engagements beyond 50 yards
      love me L119A1
      simple as

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A1
        >Not the A2
        Ouf

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I posted the wrong pic lol

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I posted the wrong pic lol

          I would chug some weiner milk for the parts to throw together an A2 clone.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Assault Rifles are really not that important in the grand scheme of war. The difference between an SA80 and an AR-15 is probably less than 5-10% overall, and for nearly all of the cases where you use your assault rifle, as long as it can reliably put rounds on target then thats all you need. This is why there is such an heir of nationalism around rifles, they are a very visible weapon where the gains are marginal and the impact in minimal.

    The things that actually matter in war are things like artilley, tanks, jets, IFVs and many others complex weapon systems, where the UK is actually not doing too bad so its not reall a big deal.

    And I think bullpups are sexy as frick, so you can kiss my ass

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its just lack of institutional inertia. SOF used ARs since the 60s and a bunch of other units like MPs and boarding teams are using ARs now. Now the new ranger unit are getting their own rifle, last I heard the MCX was in the lead. Its just going to get more common, until eventually anybody who deploys will have an AR and the SA80 will be relegated to remf units.

      >Assault Rifles are really not that important in the grand scheme of war.
      >The things that actually matter in war are things like artillery, tanks, jets, IFVs and many others complex weapon systems
      When they are deployed, which tanks, jets and gunships overwhelmingly aren't. When a bong deploys nowadays to places like Mali and Sudan, its just him, his rifle and an MRAP; which is a circumstance where the quality of the rifle is dramatically more important.

      It's probably just warriortard realising he needs to change his tune every now and then to avoid being immediately trolled. L85 hate is probably a safer bet for him than Warrior hate, as the gun still carries a lot of the bad reputation of the legendarily shitty A1 version (the fact that the M16 and its derivatives don't carry the same stigma probably shows us that this is just more of the same 'LOL BRITAN BAD!' shit you find everywhere online though). Either ignore the threads, remind him how pathetic he is, or just talk about something more interesting in them.

      On that last note does anyone know if the GLSDB would benefit from being air launched?

      >the fact that the M16 and its derivatives don't carry the same stigma probably shows us that this is just more of the same 'LOL BRITAN BAD!' shit you find everywhere online though
      They don't carry the same stigma because there was nothing materially wrong with the rifles, as opposed to the L85 which had something materially wrong with damn near every aspect of its design and construction. Thats not the same thing. You already know this and you're being disingenuous about it, like every other bong who has ever posted on /k/ which is why people shit on them and I suspect why warriortard started his noble crusade. Every country gets shat on on the internet, but the way bongs respond to the bantz has a unique almost 3rd world quality, like you're talking to an pajeet or something.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tell me about the faults in the L85 system as someone who hasn't looked into it yet

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Now the new ranger unit are getting their own rifle, last I heard the MCX was in the lead
        Source?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's a no-brainer, their job is going to be mostly training "local troops" and there's no point training those on a rifle they're not going to be supplied with.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but the way bongs respond to the bantz has a unique almost 3rd world quality
        Poles, too.

        why do euros like keymod

        ITAR. But the L85A3 uses HKey.

        It's probably just warriortard realising he needs to change his tune every now and then to avoid being immediately trolled. L85 hate is probably a safer bet for him than Warrior hate, as the gun still carries a lot of the bad reputation of the legendarily shitty A1 version (the fact that the M16 and its derivatives don't carry the same stigma probably shows us that this is just more of the same 'LOL BRITAN BAD!' shit you find everywhere online though). Either ignore the threads, remind him how pathetic he is, or just talk about something more interesting in them.

        On that last note does anyone know if the GLSDB would benefit from being air launched?

        >the fact that the M16 and its derivatives don't carry the same stigma
        Probably because the M16 was a relatively new operating system and it was fixed in about a decade by the designers. While the SA80 was a talentless clone of the AR18 operating system (something that has been around for 20 years) and they couldn't fix it without paying foreign company to do it for them.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          HK was owned by a British company iirc at the time.
          The bongs never would have contracted them to fix it otherwise.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was owned by British Aerospace from 1990 (later BAE Systems) to 2002.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But the L85A3 uses HKey.
          Only during initial rollout. UK MoD specified MLOK when A3 went in to full deployment across the infantry

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            M-lok chads keep winning

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            What’s the yellow thing?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >SOF used ARs since the 60s
        Impossible, there simply wasn't the production capacity seeing as how the US military was still switching units over to the M16 by the early 70s.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Regular Aussie infantry used ARs in Vietnam. There's no reason at all the British SAS couldn't have got a couple hundred to play with.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Impossible
          Nah, the MoD bought several thousand of them when Armalite sold the manufacturing rights to Colt in the early 60s. It was later on they bought C7s from Diemaco/Colt Canada.

          Regular Aussie infantry used ARs in Vietnam. There's no reason at all the British SAS couldn't have got a couple hundred to play with.

          This guy gets it. It wasn't just the SAS it was general issue to radiomen and such to replace the Sterling in Borneo (picrel 1963)
          I think they were Colt 602s

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >SOF used ARs since the 60s
            Impossible, there simply wasn't the production capacity seeing as how the US military was still switching units over to the M16 by the early 70s.

            2Para Borneo 1965

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          SAS bought their M16s after the USAF. Before the US Army adopted it

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            See

            >Impossible
            Nah, the MoD bought several thousand of them when Armalite sold the manufacturing rights to Colt in the early 60s. It was later on they bought C7s from Diemaco/Colt Canada.
            [...]
            This guy gets it. It wasn't just the SAS it was general issue to radiomen and such to replace the Sterling in Borneo (picrel 1963)
            I think they were Colt 602s

            [...]
            2Para Borneo 1965

            It wasn't only for the SAS it was a general issued rifle for pointment radiomen and anyone on long range patrols, it was issue in most conflicts from the 60s onwards until 1990 when they were replaced by C7s. It's a shame we didn't go with it because everyone liked it at the time even with the early teething problems. Picrel is a 604(?) In Singapore garrison.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I really wish my SP1 had the “partial fence” on the lower receiver to satisfy my British Cold War collection autism.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reliably put rounds on target
      Ya that's the problem with this pos

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't they fix the shitty trigger guard? It's just some fricking bent spring steel lmao. Rule brittania and all that jazz.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's wrong with that? It's big enough to use with gloves on, and easily detached so you can use it with thick gloves on

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they have a real rifle for the real units at least

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Every single Bong line infantry regiment is better than every American one except the Rangers. That's a fact.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >except the Rangers
        There is literally nothing good or special about amerimutt 'rangers' they're a small airborne infantry unit which regularly gets btfo in exercises with other armies. Their most famous operation is one where 18 of them and 3 helicopters got killed by starving illiterate somalis with aids and they immediately crashed and died in afghanistan and got machinegunned off the ramp of their own helicopter on their first mission in 2001

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. quit at RASP

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >airborn that gets btfo on all ocasions, because life isnt action movie
          Wait a second are.... are rangers just burger VDV?

        • 11 months ago
          Indian Shill

          Rangers and SFOD-Delta is pretty much the only good and competent force in the U.S military that is not filled with homosexuals and basedboys pussies.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >be me
        >inna 29 stumps doing some big frickoff exercise
        >Bong Royal Marine Commandos on Opfor
        >Command hyping these homosexuals up during sandtable walkthrough of exercise
        >Night 1
        >onna turret watch
        >onna thermals
        >who are these like 10-12 infantrymen advancing through open desert towards a platoon of LAVs
        >call Plt sausage
        >plt sausage calls on radio for Coyote (the exercise referees)
        >Coyote comes up to us, Lols, then drives over to infantrymen
        >wiped out a platoon of the "Commandos"
        >this repeats every night for the next 10 days from varying directions
        Yeah nah mate they're kinda fricking trash

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >like infantry
          Nigel please no, dont make your soldiers walk slowly into enemy fire again

          Wasting digits on making shit up? Sad.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Seething the absolute best of Bong infantry is actually still gutter trahs compared to the Muhreens

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I've never heard real Marines describe the Royal Marines as anything other than awesome.
              I feel like you're some kind of shit skinned turd worlder trying to stir up trouble between two close friends like the Black person you are and the closest you've ever been to a real Marine was when you went to the embassy to beg for a visa but they turned you down for being brown and moronic.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I feel like you're some kind of shit skinned turd worlder
                No those gays were just assblasted about it and tried to jump our Doc at the dub club afterwards when they heard him and a few guys from the platoon laughing about it.
                Maybe there's some cooler ones out there, but my only experience is massive homosexuals who don't understand how thermals work.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >t.USMC Sargent that got rekt and had to call a reset after being raped by RMs
                Still upset about that one I see

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The seething brit returns
                Fren all you gotta do is teach your "commandos" 10-12 infantry vs a platoon of light armor is not a winning match up in open desert

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >y-your seething
                >Takes a pic of his ID card to prove he isn't a turd worlder to a random person on the Internet
                Yeah, kinda sad your ego was hurt like that sgt ramirez

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you not a marine
                >haha you're so butt hurt you proved your a marine
                Its all so tiring

                >match up in desert
                Nta but I heard you got fricked pretty bad 100v1500 and forced to reset, figures though the usmc is much larger than the British marines and trains to a standard similar to Indian infantry.

                >Nta but I heard you got fricked pretty bad 100v1500
                I wouldn't doubt it, I've heard some fricked shit about how training standards have fallen at 29.
                Haven't been to the stumps in a few years so I couldn't tell you what's transpired since then.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Its all so tiring
                Just ignore it, the goalposts will shift indefinitely.
                >u r noguns haha
                >post guns
                >no timestamp homosexual
                >post timestamp
                >nice daddy's gun homosexual

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >match up in desert
                Nta but I heard you got fricked pretty bad 100v1500 and forced to reset, figures though the usmc is much larger than the British marines and trains to a standard similar to Indian infantry.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's your dad's one isn't it? Looking at the plastic, that's old as shit.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >t.Never been to the field

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >like infantry
        Nigel please no, dont make your soldiers walk slowly into enemy fire again

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Emphasis on individual marksmanship, barrel length gives greater accuracy. Sunk cost, got the units and the upgrade is pretty much just furniture anyway, some reinforcement of the barrel I think....

    All the Brit anons who've touched it once or twice can attest that the controls are shit, fire selector requires hand off the trigger, magazine release is a stiff as frick button, no paddle. Safety catch requires the finger off the trigger. The trigger is alright, two stage and allows accuracy. That's the biggest set of issues. I think most realise that it runs fine, actually in winter conditions it is more reliable than others as far as I'm aware. Shorter rifle with same barrel length lends well to urban ops and patroling.

    Basically because it works and they've got it at the moment. Cheaper to upgrade the current ones than scrap them and buy new, fundamentally a bullpup system has significant benefits, it's not conventional Vs bullpup it's that the bullpup design is flawed in this case, not universally.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >All the Brit anons who've touched it once or twice can attest that the controls are shit,
      >fire selector requires hand off the trigger
      left hand operates fire selector. right hand still in firing position
      >magazine release is a stiff as frick button, no paddle
      stiff is good, release is literally a paddle
      >Safety catch requires the finger off the trigger
      the safety can be disengaged and the trigger pulled in one fluid movement

      you are a know-nothing-Black person, have a nice day NOW

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get how you defend this, all of these features force you to take your eyes off the target before you can engage, what about the bolt release, some proper finicky button you push down, which, when compared to an ar platform button you slap it seems stupid. I always just reach over and pull the bolt back myself.

        You can't seriously think that a safety you take you finger off the trigger is appropriate, if you think it's fluid compare the the fire selector safety of an ar platform it's very little pressure, done with your thumb while you're on target.

        These design choices have 0 benefits and are nothing to do with the choice of bullpup design it's just the guys that made it never designed a rifle before.. go on post yourself in uniform, was it in school or the community centre, did yours even have a fire selector. Im confident I've handled it far more than you

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He stands there and stares at a target while he reloads or messes with his fire selector
          NGMI
          Soldiers that want to live take cover while doing anything to their gun.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he needs to take his eyes off a target to to push a button right next to the trigger
          If you've ever driven a manual car, do you also stare at the gear stick whenever you need to change gear?
          Maybe you're just moronic.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh and point to the paddle release please big man,

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Upgrades usually involve rebuilding the receivers as well. All of the L85 rifles in service still have been given the ship of theseus treatment at this point. Each upgrade is more expensive than what the US military pays for a brand new M4a1

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Part of that may be trying to preserve a UK economy by doing things in house and feeding money back to ourselves instead of buying foreign and relying on foreign servicing. I also do not agree that it would be a comparable cost to buying new units, the upgrades likely take the shape of a regular service

        It's a nice rifle for travelling it's nice and small, good weight distribution for patroling too nice and rear weighted

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    why do euros like keymod

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >engaging with americans

    we'd rather not

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >engaging with Canadians (which is where the Brits get their ARs)

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not all of them LMT isn't Canadian is it?

        The way things are going we should just adopt the L129a1 as the Infantry weapon and give the L119s out as and when needed, like the sterling was to the slr.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're insolent, and poor.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The bongoloids should unfrick themselves and return to tradition

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're fricking boring. We live in a world of 200 slightly different matte black Glocks and AR15s and I fricking hate it

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does that have bearing on war? You're just autspergic and bored.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      stay mad then i suppose.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because we're a country of c**ts and it's all been getting steadily worse for well over 70 years now.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know the real story but here's my assumption, first, every country should seek to develop and manufacture their own rifle, even if a copy, to prevent war time supply issues in the future. Next, the SA80 was developed during the era when the bullpup meme was the meta

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They refuse to admit defeat. The royal marines are switching completely to AR15

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    L85 is literally just a bullpupped AR-18

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    they are still salty about 1776. they wouldnt even take AR-180 so they slapped a cosmetic skin on it

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, wouldn't you be? Looking at the absolute state of the modern revolution-tarded world don't you think worrying more about the French and treating your cousins as fellow Englishmen rather than exterminating the traitors seems like a huge mistake?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      From what I understand, they don't even think about American independence. It's just another high HDI country created by bongs at this point like Canada, Aussie New zealand. How they ended up independent isn't really a big deal for them since that bacially happened throughout Europe during decolonisation, so comparatively it's whatever.
      A few Americans like you think other people only think about you, but the reality is you're huge in population and speak English, so American news is rather pervasive on culture even if they don't really care.
      As an Aussie, half the news is about the US or Europe, it's honestly quite annoying.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    what gun is that?
    looks kino, just a shame the color looks different at front and rear

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >resist the AR platform?
    uhhhhhhhhhh...

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >glock carbine
      Fake news

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't worry, it's the worse one out of the contenders and wont be adopted

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You just know they're going to pick a bullpup as their next service rifle

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't you go learn Spanish

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Some MI6 guys were in close protection training with me and they had 10.5” Commando variants, but this was back in peak GWOT. I remember they were monolithic uppers but the ones that are still two pieces like a drop in omega rail.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit sa 80 is sexy now?

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Two LMTs for kiwiland.

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