Why does Starfleet think it is appropriate for away teams to beam down to planets with dress shoes, no pockets and a thin layer of cloth for uniform?

Why does Starfleet think it is appropriate for away teams to beam down to planets with dress shoes, no pockets and a thin layer of cloth for uniform?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk maybe because they have a spaceship capable of wiping out a planet

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does Starfleet think it is appropriate for away teams to beam down to planets with dress shoes, no pockets and a thin layer of cloth for uniform?
      Because a hand phaser could melt an M1A2 Abrams into a puddle, a wee bit of armor ain't defending against that.

      ?t=21
      Environmental gear also probably isn't that important since they can determine if an atmosphere is safe and Starfleet medical are basically space white mages when it comes to curing disease.

      Also this.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Trekkie hand weapons are frequently shown being blocked by random crates

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          they're set to 'hey stop'

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          They're not set to kill at the time.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Crate destruction is Setting 17.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's still human behind phaser and they die to humble AK. It's just authors are hacks and show is utterly stupid. Sorry, this is how it is.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hey man where can I read your awesome scripts

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you interested into real Sci Fi Frontier trip read Invincible by S. Lem. It comes from the same time but power gap between Lem and Hollywood hacks is unbelievable.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              memoirs from a bathtub was one of the most obnoxious novels i ever had the pleasure of reading

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I recall it being different, but going through screen shots real quick, I guess that was the case aside from one dude just wearing a t shirt.

          >super militarized in DS9 (in which you actually see starfleet infantry)
          But didn't Starfleet infantry in DS9 still just wear standard uniforms? Not even camouflage or helmets.
          Don't tell me they didn't have the budget for some dedicated combat uniforms when the plot is a full scale quadrant wide war.

          They have personal shield emitters issued when they go into actual combat, which tracks with all their ships being basically tissue paper aside from the ludicrous shield projectors, implying physical defenses are basically unheard of and helpessly obsolete compared to blasters. The only ones ever seen wearing armor are Klingons, and they're frequently involved in hand to hand combat with swords!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >which tracks with all their ships being basically tissue paper aside from the ludicrous shield projectors, implying physical defenses are basically unheard of and helpessly obsolete compared to blasters.
            The only ships iirc that actually has armor worth a damn is the Defiant (which basically has bonus layers it can burn through before it's vulnerable) and Voyager in the last episode (which had future tech that constantly regenerated armor layers over the ship)
            Aside from that yeah, ships in star trek are by design basically paper when the shields are gone because armor simply can't keep up with weapons anymore. Hence why the Jem'Hadar were so dangerous early on, their polaron weapons ignored shields before new shield tech was developed to combat it.

            They had fighters in DS9.

            The Jem'Hadar Fighter is the size of a naval destroyer, it was meant to show the sheer power of the Dominion that they could call such a thing a simple "fighter"

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >>The Jem'Hadar Fighter is the size of a naval destroyer, it was meant to show the sheer power of the Dominion that they could call such a thing a simple "fighter"

              They also had small federation fighters in the big battles but I don't remember whether they were acknowledged in the dialogue.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aren't those Maquis attack frigates?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                no those are terran raiders!

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aren't those Maquis attack frigates?

                https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter
                https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Maquis_raider

                Separate but similar looking ships. The attack fighters seem to basically be heavily armed shuttle craft which makes sense, even the runabouts could be dangerous against weaker opponents. The Maquis Raider is more of a small warship closer in size to the Jem'Hadar Fighter, Bird of Prey or Defiant.

                Pic is from the reference book: Shipyards: Starfleet Ships 2294 - The Future

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Beam down
              >Need X
              >"Hey we need X"
              >X magically appears

              that probably could happen in 99% of circumstances if they truly were worried. Besides, most primitives aren't really equipped with anything. Also the dress clothes are iirc immune to common 20th century ballistics, I think there was an episode of TNG where the away crew is shot at with bullets and they just aren't bothered by it.

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              They have personal shield emitters issued when they go into actual combat, which tracks with all their ships being basically tissue paper aside from the ludicrous shield projectors, implying physical defenses are basically unheard of and helpessly obsolete compared to blasters. The only ones ever seen wearing armor are Klingons, and they're frequently involved in hand to hand combat with swords!

              Star Trek ships aren't just unarmored, they aren't even like welded or riveted together or anything. There is an integrity field that just holds everything together. It's like a lego kit except the legos don't have pegs, they just magically know where they are supposed to lock into place. This apparently makes it very quick to build and replace ship components though, because they can just yoink things out at space docks and slap new bits in.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >they aren't even like welded or riveted together or anything.
                That sounds like a terrible idea.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                According to the tech manual everything is gamma welded together and shit. It just comes apart when needed because space physics and shit.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was about to say, "I swore I replied to this post earlier". And I did, but I accidentally linked to the wrong post when I did

                Let's be fair, if we had that kind of construction tech we absolutely would build things that way too, it's so much easier. The real question is why the frick did no one think to install seat belts until the Dominion War?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're not set to kill at the time.

        https://i.imgur.com/rIDnaDW.jpg

        Crate destruction is Setting 17.

        My favorite Star Trek weapon is the bazooka Worf used which was approximately 1000 times the size of the smallest hand phaser and hit with less force than an actual real world bazooka.

        My second favorite are the Borg Sphere's torpedoes/energy balls/whatever, that also apparently packed one millionth the power of a hand phaser.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. Despite it being primarily a diplomatic vessel, people forget just how much firepower a Galaxy-class has. It could reduce most civilizations to cinders effortlessly.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        According to tech manual figures, the Ent-D, which is commonly derided as a flying cruise ship, has a secondary armament of 250 FTL capable antimatter warheads with a 62 megaton yield.

        https://i.imgur.com/9dDz0F7.jpg

        >>The Jem'Hadar Fighter is the size of a naval destroyer, it was meant to show the sheer power of the Dominion that they could call such a thing a simple "fighter"

        They also had small federation fighters in the big battles but I don't remember whether they were acknowledged in the dialogue.

        https://i.imgur.com/a7bYmQT.png

        [...]
        https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter
        https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Maquis_raider

        Separate but similar looking ships. The attack fighters seem to basically be heavily armed shuttle craft which makes sense, even the runabouts could be dangerous against weaker opponents. The Maquis Raider is more of a small warship closer in size to the Jem'Hadar Fighter, Bird of Prey or Defiant.

        Pic is from the reference book: Shipyards: Starfleet Ships 2294 - The Future

        Several sides use craft called "fighters." As pointed out the Jem'Hadar fighters are closer to corvettes or destroyers, while the Federation and Cardassian fighters are closer in function to fast attack craft or PT boats (has enough armament to take on a full-sized vessel but will die in a standup fight).

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >According to tech manual figures, the Ent-D, which is commonly derided as a flying cruise ship, has a secondary armament of 250 FTL capable antimatter warheads with a 62 megaton yield.
          We dont cotton to spacebattlers around these parts, why dont you mosey on back where you came from before you have to t t t t t t taste the pain.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Ent-D having a magazine of 250 photon torpedoes is canon though.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it is a tv show with a budget you putz.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's based on reality tho. At least the original series was.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thunder Birds outfits on the two homies ??

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's based on reality tho. At least the original series was.
        Gene was candid about it being "Wagon Train in Space". The human element was what interested him, the Sci-fi was, figuratively and literally, set dressing.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. The reason Star Trek was so successful is that even though it had Gene’s hippie-dippy ideals he never focused on the political or societal aspects of the federation and only on the interactions of a highly professional, albeit unorthodox, crew and their adventures as they manned an exploratory space vessel. The lore and internal logic of Star Trek sucks ass, like why the frick would sovereign species submit themselves to the human-centric Federation? or how the frick does an implied pacifistic, anti-imperialist, and pleasure seeking utopia cultivate the culture and internal justification to create and sustain a highly militaristic “exploratory” organization that maintains a massive fleet of war capable ships and disciplined crews to man them, as well as have human colonies? or how with so many extant space faring species did they all evolve to go to space at roughly the same time with basically only 3 becoming dominant in the alpha quadrant? The main attraction of star trek is the characters and wacky situations but people are so idiotic they take the moral lessons as gospel and the science as fact.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he never focused on the political or societal aspects of the federation

            >Accidentally unleash a man from the 80s
            >He immediately is obsessed with the stonks
            >Gene Rodenberry's opinion comes out as Picard basically calls him a greedy savage and that society has evolved beyond petty wealth
            >another epi with uniforms of war
            >Tangent about the end for a need for large standing armies and how they've evolved beyond such things
            >Klingons only exist because the TV execs basically told him he needed an antagonist race because it was fricking boring without it, and they wanted some cold war tensions

            Nah Gene was pretty clear on his opinions with regards to consumerism, war, and imperialism

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Gene Rodenberry's opinion comes out as Picard basically calls him a greedy savage and that society has evolved beyond petty wealth
              But it turned out that guy had a perfect read on the Romulan captain within seconds of hearing him talk. Starfleet probably made him a fricking professional negotiator.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But it was obvious, it was so goddamn obvious the Romulans were being cheeky liars, Picard basically said "he's not wrong" when the dude said it
                >Starfleet probably made him a fricking professional negotiator.
                In the novels he's the Federation's ambassador to Ferenginar.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Tell me once where the society and politics of the Federation was explored in detail. Gene made passing allusions to how the Federation’s society was structured, with one of the most often cited episodes being the one you mentioned with the stock guy, but never does he go into how his magical utopia is ever structured. Gene didn’t hide the fact the Federation was his idea of a liberal’s paradise, he just never went in to how it functions beyond it being “tolerant.” It’s just a hippie commune in space with a culture that paradoxically values the militaristic and borderline fascistic qualities of Star Fleet. It’s a world where humans live in a multi-species federation but still have human colonies; it’s a world where humans culture is implied to be heavily pacifistic, beyond most human vices, and anti-imperialistic, yet Star Fleet (which is by nature a security force and an extension of the Federation’s will to inflict violence even if they call themselves “explores”) is considered an honorable organization and profession; it’s a world where humans domination of the Federation goes unquestioned.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yet Star Fleet (which is by nature a security force and an extension of the Federation’s will to inflict violence even if they call themselves “explores”) is considered an honorable organization and profession
                Because they know there's a difference between being peaceful and being harmless. You can be a hippie and still recognize when it's a good time to stop someone kicking your ass.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Because they know there's a difference between being peaceful and being harmless. You can be a hippie and still recognize when it's a good time to stop someone kicking your ass.
                The last hundred years have put that idea decidedly to rest. There is a difference between being violent and restrained and violent and unrestrained.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You should think of starfleet as the japanese military. technically, by their constitution they are not allowed to have an army but they are allowed to have "Self Defence Forces"

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Such an arrangement was imposed from outside. Not an organic development.

                >yet Star Fleet (which is by nature a security force and an extension of the Federation’s will to inflict violence even if they call themselves “explores”) is considered an honorable organization and profession
                Because they know there's a difference between being peaceful and being harmless. You can be a hippie and still recognize when it's a good time to stop someone kicking your ass.

                But the very idea that Star Fleet exists to preempt aggression or to put it down is in itself an issue in the Star Trek universe. By the very nature of the Federation as it is implied it should not exist.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I would argue in the TNG era the federation were doormats and starfleet would just let every other race just walk over them

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Gene Roddenberry added unsung, purely for legal purposes lyrics to the themesong of TOS so he could get half of the royalties that should have gone in their entirety to Alexander Courage.
              Getting a weekly lecture in greed from Gene is like getting a weekly sermon on chastity from a kiddie diddling Priest.

              I'm sure there some dumb canon some where that will say it because star fleet is peaceful and shit, only becoming super militarized in DS9 (in which you actually see starfleet infantry).
              I don't recall off the top of my head in earlier shows, but in Voyager at least, they do wear space suits in certain situations. And Janeway is too much of a coffee addict to go on away missions (generally).
              Then you have the MACO dudes in enterprise, and the hazard team in the games.

              I think Gene's a foolish hypocrite, please see above, but DS9 shouldn't be considered anything than Ira's israelited subversion of Gene's loopy utopia. After the first couple season's after Piller left at least.
              It shouldn't be cited as an example of what Starfleet or the Federation is or isn't. Ever. Ira is a selfish rat.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                hate the game not the player foo

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >but DS9 shouldn't be considered anything than Ira's israelited subversion of Gene's loopy utopia.
                People say this but I have to ask, did we watch the same show? DS9 didn't subvert Gene's vision, it merely challenged it because the Federation in TNG always tried to just create treaties to avoid any conflict ever even when it was a shitty treaty that is 90/10 in the other side's favor. Well what do you do when when an actual nation (and not a force of nature like the Borg) refuse to negotiate and their own goal is your death or total subjugation? You will have to fight. More importantly, every time it seemed they were going for a subversion, the actual main characters fought against it.

                When Section 31's existence was revealed, it disgusts everyone but actual S31's members and it's seen as a betrayal of everything the federation stands for. Even the ones that are willing to work with them hate the fact that they're doing it

                In the Pale Moonlight, THE DS9 episode, everything immoral was done by Garak, it pisses off Sisko to no end, and Sisko hates the fact that he can live with maintaining the lie

                The Bajoran terrorists and Maquis are constantly shown in a negative light, being seen as short-sighted, betraying any higher values, and that they create more problems than they solve.
                And lastly, how did the war end? When the Federation had the ability to destroy the Founders, Section 31's plan was utterly rejected and the war ended not with destruction, but peace after saving their enemies through compassion and humanity. It's like the most Star Trek ending possible.
                ....and then Sisko fights Dukat in a volcano.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I do not allow my officers to be terrorists
                holdup

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But he just said he doesn't allow his officers to be terrorists, because he doesn't believe in Mao's line

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                but at the end when Data qualifies it more Picard gives a very open ended answer

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >everything immoral was done by Garak
                come on, the mans a real hero

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ira hated TNG so much he walked away from a 2 year pay or play contract, returning only after Gene was too dead to oppose him.
                Ira was a forerunner of everything infecting Hollywood today. He thought writing "grey" stories was interesting. So he shoved all the 20th century human conflict he could into DS9 and called it a day. These are all things Gene thought would be thoroughly in the rear view mirror for 24th century humanity.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He thought writing "grey" stories was interesting.
                I mean they are more interesting than black and white conflicts, the problem is if you don't do it well there's no one to root for.
                >So he shoved all the 20th century human conflict he could into DS9 and called it a day. These are all things Gene thought would be thoroughly in the rear view mirror for 24th century humanity.
                Let's ignore that Coon was the true genius behind TOS and ST's idealistic tone and that Gene took credit for shit he didn't do. That doesn't change that even TOS did shit like that, like how TOS was built around the writers' disagreement with the Truman Doctrine. Or the episodes where the Prime Directive should just be thrown out the window if the Klingons are involved because they don't follow it, why should we in that circumstance? Or the episodes about race relations while the Civil Rights movement was going on. Or hell, Star Trek 6 which is explicitly about the Soviet Union's collapse and involves an inner federation plot to sabotage peace by assassinating the leaders of both factions, something Gene loved right up until the movie was about to come out and then suddenly he openly hated it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The question isn't whether or not one is better than the other. The matter at hand isn't what sort of setting you prefer.
                At issue is what exactly is Federation doctrine. DS9 being Ira Behr Stevens subversion of TNG, it should be completely and totally ignored when thinking about that. Same as nuTrek.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again, how is it subverting it? Section 31 is a super secret organization that you have to be captain rank just to hear of its name and an admiral to know what it does, and everyone who knows what they does fricking hates them. If it was a subversion, S31 would be seen as ultimately necessary for the Federation's existence and not a cancerous growth on the system that needs to be exsised. But the only people who think that are the people in Section 31 themselves.

                Like, how many more episodes of DS9 did you need of the characters saying that the worst thing a federation officer can do is betray its values for you to realize it's not a subversion? What do you think a subversion means?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Raising the issue at all within Starfleet is something Gene would not do. To raise the things touched on by DS9, not in monster of the week way, not allegorically within another Alien state, but within the Federation itself is subversive.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Raising the issue at all within Starfleet is something Gene would not do.
                Do I have to point out how many "evil admiral" plots we had while Gene was still alive?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I shouldn't have to point out to you the difference between an aberration to be cut out of Starfleet like a cancer and Ben Sisko living with it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again, what is subversion to you? What does that word in regards to audience expectations actually mean? Because I'm pretty sure you think it means something that it doesn't. The idea that the Federation should be pure and all conflicts should exist through allegory, is something Gene Coon ignored all the fricking time.

                I shouldn't have to point out to you the difference between an aberration to be cut out of Starfleet like a cancer and Ben Sisko living with it.

                Do you forget that Sisko is disturbed by the fact that he can live with it? That even though he know it's the correct thing to do, it's absolutely NOT the right thing to do? That it's making him realize how much war takes away peoples' humanity that he can even consider something he never would've a few years earlier? Why do you think he said "I can live with it" over and over? Hint, it's because deep down he can't.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hit submit early. Was going to say that he's not Garak, he's not a patriot that can just toss away all morals and ethics whenever doing so benefits Cardassia. He hates what he thinks he's becoming. That is the difference between him and Garak.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ira hated TNG so much he walked away from a 2 year pay or play contract, returning only after Gene was too dead to oppose him.
                Ira was a forerunner of everything infecting Hollywood today. He thought writing "grey" stories was interesting. So he shoved all the 20th century human conflict he could into DS9 and called it a day. These are all things Gene thought would be thoroughly in the rear view mirror for 24th century humanity.

                Wait till you guys find out that TOS is about the book of Enoch.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                explain

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The question isn't whether or not one is better than the other. The matter at hand isn't what sort of setting you prefer.
                At issue is what exactly is Federation doctrine. DS9 being Ira Behr Stevens subversion of TNG, it should be completely and totally ignored when thinking about that. Same as nuTrek.

                What the frick are you on about? Behr was hired as a producer in S3 under Berman and Pillar, long after Roddenberry's involvement with the show had become minimal. He continued as a freelancer in S4 before joining Pillar on DS9. You're also ignoring Ronald Moore and Robert Hewitt Wolfe.

                I shouldn't have to point out to you the difference between an aberration to be cut out of Starfleet like a cancer and Ben Sisko living with it.

                Sisko actively opposes S31 whenever he's informed of their activities. In the Pale Moonlight is his own initiative.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >how the frick does an implied pacifistic, anti-imperialist, and pleasure seeking utopia cultivate the culture and internal justification to create and sustain a highly militaristic “exploratory” organization that maintains a massive fleet of war capable ships and disciplined crews to man them, as well as have human colonies?
            Their closest neighbors are the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Gorn, and Tholians. Granted the latter two are more like self-interested buttholes you can have a friendly beer with than existential enemies but they're still rival civilizations.

            Tell me once where the society and politics of the Federation was explored in detail. Gene made passing allusions to how the Federation’s society was structured, with one of the most often cited episodes being the one you mentioned with the stock guy, but never does he go into how his magical utopia is ever structured. Gene didn’t hide the fact the Federation was his idea of a liberal’s paradise, he just never went in to how it functions beyond it being “tolerant.” It’s just a hippie commune in space with a culture that paradoxically values the militaristic and borderline fascistic qualities of Star Fleet. It’s a world where humans live in a multi-species federation but still have human colonies; it’s a world where humans culture is implied to be heavily pacifistic, beyond most human vices, and anti-imperialistic, yet Star Fleet (which is by nature a security force and an extension of the Federation’s will to inflict violence even if they call themselves “explores”) is considered an honorable organization and profession; it’s a world where humans domination of the Federation goes unquestioned.

            The Federation is comprised of constituent independent governments. Despite the name it's actually closer to a confederation. There are human colonies because human governments (there are actually several independent human polities in Trek) sponsor them. Federation as a whole is largely pacifistic as a matter of policy, but in practice they're simply non-aggressive rather than defenseless. Everyone understands that the galaxy is a hostile place and the need to protect themselves or to be a part of an organization that can. And lastly the reason why we see so many humans in Trek is budget and filming constraints (something that is changing with increasingly cheap CGI and easier makeup/prosthetic construction).

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Also isn't the Federation president almost always an alien?
              >and Tholians
              Everyone is close to the Tholians, Tholians are an interdimensional species

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Tholians are an interdimensional species
                Nta but I always thought that was neat. The idea that since the multiverse has been an established thing since TOS, that there's this one empire that explicitly takes advantage of that and the Tholians of every universe joined forces as one big multi-dimensional Tholian Empire.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                In fairness that's because no one except for the Tholians have tech specifically built for reliably crossing between universes aside from whenever DS9 wants to do that season's Terran episode.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The beta canon explanation is that Tholians naturally have multidimensional properties unlike everyone else. A Tholian is a Tholian regardless of dimension, but you're not going to get the Federation and Terran Empire to agree to anything.

                [...]
                And the various forms of cover people hide behind regularly. You'd think if your life was in danger you'd turn up the juice 1%

                Dont try to pretend star trek is consistent.

                Phasers can penetrate damn near anything - if they're at the right setting. And higher settings have higher energy requirements from the battery.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Phasers can penetrate damn near anything - if they're at the right setting. And higher settings have higher energy requirements from the battery.
                You'd die to conserve battery on something you could carry fifteen of comfortably?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > Despite the name it's actually closer to a confederation.
              It’s literally described as a single central united government ruling over various planets that have a limited degree of self-rule, hence a federation, but that still doesn’t get to the crux of the issue that such a disparate group of vastly different species with NO shared history could come together to form a stable united government and then construct the internal culture that would allow them to address all internal grievances while at the same time effectively compete with established monospecific cultures like the Tholians, Romulans, etc.., which for some reason weren’t blessed with the innate democratic spirit that infected all those other species immediately around mankind. If you want it to be a confederation fine, but that does no favors to internal structure and only introduces more issues: like how Earth would basically be autonomous, pursue human colonies and construct Star Fleet for its own use, but still be committed enough to the idea of a “federation” that they felt the need to defend it when they are essentially their own entity and would have no stake in the survival of a organization that they don’t have a controlling share of and that actually hinders their growth (as it would to any species that is a part of it).

              Gene wanted a giga-UN in space but completely forgot the nasty bits of history and international tomfoolery that made the UN come about in the first place and then remain, and that the UN is essentially powerless and only derives any legitimacy it has from the superpowers that nursed it into existence for their own designs. The only way the Federation could exist is if it was held together by a central and dominate species, i.e. Humans, but that would go against the very ideas that Gene set up for a spacefaring democratic civilization that has left behind the vices of yesteryear.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Easy, you don't actually know the setting and instead are arguing assumptions you've constructed out of ignorance.

                Aw frick it is just prodigy. Shit.

                To be fair none of us expected Prodigy to as good as it is.

                what's the webm from?

                Farscape.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is Prodigy good? I wasn't too keen on a kids cartoon, but people seem to like it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no argument
                Why am I not surprised.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                No one is going to debate your headcanon.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol. Little baby can’t handle the fact that Star Trek has 0 internal consistency or rational when it comes to politics and society.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >and that the UN is essentially powerless
                But that's by design, the people who created the UN as an organization never wanted it to be able to override national sovereignty, merely that its member nations could join together towards a common cause even if that cause is to shit on a country.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                This.

                The UN was created to prevent another World War. So far it has succeded.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                My point was more that by contrast, the League of Nations WAS actually supposed to have the power to infringe on national sovereignty to prevent war. However that was its downfall, giving the organization that kind of power meant no one truly wanted to commit to it in fear that that power would be wielded.
                The UN not wielding any real power itself and the power being held by its member states means people have much more of an incentive to buy into the system.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's amazing how effective "Here's an avenue of officially b***h about how pissed off you are at the other guy" has been

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                League of Nations failed because it had zero backing from the superpowers of the time. The US, essentially the country that introduced the ideas internationally which led to the creation of the League of Nations, didn’t even join it.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kes was the better character and cuter

      Fight me

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah, seven was sexier in every way
        >you will never be the guy who took her virginity
        why live

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why fight you when we could pool our resources and try to convince them to team up?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        7/9 had arguably better character development. Kes just kinda stayed flat the whole time she was on the show, despite having that whole Dark Phoenix Saga thing going on in the background.

        To be fair though there's no shortage of shitty characters that don't get developed in VOY.

        And Kes was only sort of yandere-cute whereas 7 was genuinely hot. But real gentlemen preferred the one you can only download with Internet King advanced computer services.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't need to fight you. This is Kes' actress' 2015 mugshot.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I forgot all about that. Oof.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          And here's 2022 Seven for comparison.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      i blame star trek for my thing for pixie cuts

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Checked

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          No Kira Nerys?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know the actress that played Janeway hated this actress. She would bully her on set all the time. When 7/9s actress would ask to use the bathroom Janeway would say no way, it takes too long to get her in and out of that skin tight spandex, so she just has to HOLD IT! Needless to say this likely led to 7/9 having at least one 'accident' in her costume.
      7/9s actress said she would feel sick in the morning getting ready for work because she knew how much Janeway was going to bully her that day!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        My thunderous wiener would’ve sorted them all out. Also what costume? She was just in spandex with some shit glued to her face

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think it was more jealousy on Janeway's part anyway, because she was all excited about being the 'female Picard' for all the little girls to look up to, and all that. And then they had to bring in this giant titted bimbo to save the ratings from the shitter... And worst of all, it worked. People actually started watching after they got 7/9.

          That said, I'd say there's more to that costume than just spandex. There's at least a corset or something ribbed, and the arms and collar might be a separate part from the body. Anyway, even if your costume is just a shirt and pants, you have to stop by wardrobe after a break to get straightened out, make sure you didn't stain anything, etc

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was a multitude of things; Kate Mulgrew was big dog and she wasn't going to let the newcomer take her place. It didn't help that Jeri Ryan essentially replaced Jennifer Lien because the studio didn't want to pay for another actor and Kate and Jen were relatively close. Also, the fact that Jeri was fricking Brannon Braga at the time was public knowledge and everybody hated her for it.

            Was it fair? No, not really. There's footage of Jeri Ryan breaking down crying at a con over it. For her part, Kate was publicly owned up to it, but I don't know if they've ever reconciled.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't honour that request according to Garrett Wang. But Mulgrew DID ask for it, marking her out as the sourest b***h in history.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I always knew she was a b***h irl
        I need to trust my instincts more

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stop, I can only get so hard!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Her husband's desire to have sex in public is the reason Barack Obama was elected president. And the reason we have Joe Biden today.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Go on

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_Senate_election_in_Illinois#Obama_vs._Ryan

          It's a little disingenuous - there was no way Illinois was going to elect a Republican senator in 2004.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Before that: why the FRICK do they think it's appropriate for both commander and XO to be beamed down, sometimes even bringing their heads of staff. If they die the entire bridge goes unmanned.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      At least Enterprise had the Marine team for away missions deemed too intense for department heads.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's fiction.

      Or perhaps because it was the creation of someone who was hopeful and imagined a future where humans would be curious and open and boldly go toward the unknown... And lots of no-strings attached sex, of course.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They actually don't think its appropriate, they usually only do it when visiting a friendly planet or when the plot really needs both of them down there.

      Riker stops Picard in one of the episodes and points this out, and actually bans him from joining the away mission

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It only really made sense in TOS with Kirk and Spock since they're in an entirely different league.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Story telling anon. An extremely strong unobtainium battle suit that can do shit like tank 20mm rounds or shoot lasers at people would probably be ideal for travelling to a hostile planet but it doesn't go well with the vibe Star Trek has or help the audience distinguish the characters.
    Pic related is probably more what you're looking for. The context is that the people in pic related are Martian space marines, who have trained with combat drugs under artificial 1G conditions for an opposed landing and combat on Earth. Notice how you literally can't tell men or women apart, since that's kinda the point of power armor? Notice how everyone looks like they're going to rip your head off?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Notice how you literally can't tell men or women apart
      i dont think the armor is responsible for that so much as the horrific genetics at play in this pic

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Considering the number of Poo-in-loos who fanboy over Elon, wouldn't be surprising if his Mars fiefdom ends up being populated primarily by Indian subcontinent serfs.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Notice how everyone looks like they're going to rip your head off?
      the guy looks affable enough, it's just the female police officer effect where women are too weak to not go full throttle in any confrontation

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mutt squad
      >attack mongrels
      >miscegenated minions

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The expanse is weird about it’s war as well since ships basically are 1 shot machines and the biggest threat by the end was a space terrorist who realized that you can just throw asteroids at people and win

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        read the books homie

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and the biggest threat by the end was a space terrorist who realized that you can just throw asteroids at people and win

        The whole point was that he was a fricking moron who would have made the entire human race extinct before admitting he had no idea what he was doing

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What annoys me about modern casting like this isn't necessarily sex or ancestry being shoehorned or played up, it's the way this culture seems to have affected either the way actors act or the acting ability of who they hire.
      In particular, it seems disproportionate that "diversity hiring" makes actors who can't convincingly make any face other than "smug actor face". Maybe the decline is coming from behind the camera, in that directors are lower quality and can't get performances out of the actors that don't have that ironic "letting you know I'm acting" quality to them, for whatever reason.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Avery Brooks is a black man who can act. Nichelle Nichols was a black woman who could act. it's 50% hiring for the sake of diversity, 25% nepotism, and 25% not hiring theater trained actors. "intersectional" diversity - aka playing the oppression olympics - makes it even worse because of how severely it cripples your pool of potential actors.

        Trek main actors were theater trained, they weren't just hiring newbies with only TV acting experience - at least before the abomination that is Discovery. oh, and Trek has a history of very deeply involving everyone in the writing process, especially the actors, and i'd argue its history of excellent character work is proof that the best results come from allowing the actors themselves to become invested in the world and characters and not some isolated writers room echo chamber full of inflexible ideologues mistaking their soapbox diatribes they shove into the characters' mouths for character depth.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, even back to George Takei, Trek has had lots of really good non-white actors. I definitely think the "not hiring from the stage" thing is a larger percentage of the problem.
          Also, the dialogue in new Trek is too naturalistic. Trek characters shouldn't curse (beyond a "damn" here and there) and shouldn't hem and haw like a 21st century person. Not outside of a throwaway scene where Data is being autistic and everyone is sBlack personing.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Actually, even back to George Takei
            In fairness Sulu didn't do all that much in the series. A way to maybe tell someone from the tv series from one that's seen just the movies is they think Sulu is more important. But the way to DEFINITELY tell they've just seen the movies is they think Chekov is more important.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, even back to George Takei, Trek has had lots of really good non-white actors. I definitely think the "not hiring from the stage" thing is a larger percentage of the problem.
          Also, the dialogue in new Trek is too naturalistic. Trek characters shouldn't curse (beyond a "damn" here and there) and shouldn't hem and haw like a 21st century person. Not outside of a throwaway scene where Data is being autistic and everyone is sBlack personing.

          >Avery Brooks is a black man who can act. Nichelle Nichols was a black woman who could act.
          That's not diversity, that's just inclusion. The goal with inclusivity is that you want to show minorities, especially kids, is that you can be a doctor, engineer, lawyer, someone who can be successful. There is more to your life than trying to entertain white people to make money.
          It makes a huge impact on a kid's life to see people who look like them excel in certain fields. The problem stems from people on social media complaining about shows not having a trans-queer faekin and then crying about media companies not acquiescing to their demands. This ruins fricking everything and people begin associate negative ideas with inclusivity and diversity.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bobbi is Polynesian in the books. They cast her correctly. The only knock on The Expanse is the way they killed Alex because he couldn't poo in the loo.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Maybe the decline is coming from behind the camera, in that directors are lower quality and can't get performances out of the actors that don't have that ironic "letting you know I'm acting" quality to them, for whatever reason.
        It's not even that. There's nothing wrong with art, there's more quality art out there than ever before because the tools for making it are getting cheaper and cheaper. The problem that's happening with TV and movies is the same problem that happened to music. Music in every genre has become more fragmented and niche and "complex" with one exception - pop music, which is more homogeneous and "simplistic" than ever. This isn't a bad thing per se. The point of pop music is to have mass market appeal, and almost everyone who listens to pop music also listens to some other collection of their actual favourite niche genres. It's just an example of society becoming ever better at optimising for X.

        Movies and TV move more slowly for obvious reasons but it's the same effect. Budgets are going up, the amount being invested into the programs is higher and higher, and so the appetite for risk is going down at the same time as understanding of the mass market goes up. That's why every popular show you watch has the same plot, the same characters, and usually even the same actors.

        If you go outside the mass market stuff and look in the niches there's good shit being made but anything which is big budget and "trying" to be popular will always be derivative and merely adequate because that's the optimal strategy for mass market products. Always has been. The difference is that because TV and movies are so expensive to make it's really hard for anyone to fill out the niches. But it does happen.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I thought what happened to music was what Frank Zappa said about the industry: the artists took over and think they know better about what people like than the people do

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I remember back during the oldtrek era, it was common for the main actors to direct episodes of the shows they acted in and sometimes some of the others. Avery Brooks for instance directed Far Beyond the Stars, and if we're being honest I don't think anyone else COULD have directed that episode. LeVar Burton directed a lot of TNG/DS9 episodes I really like, like the DS9 episode where Worf was accused of blowing up that Klingon civilian ship during the battle between Klingons and Cardassians.

        They don't do that with nuTrek afaik, they don't let the actors direct anymore and it's a shame because they each had kind of a signature style of directing.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it was common for the main actors to direct
          It was common because the showrunners didn't care and the actors were cheap.

          Star Trek used to be a little community on the Paramount lot.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're not wrong but it also meant they got experience outside of just acting.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That was less common than you think. Nimoy, Shatner, Stewart, Burton, Dorn, McFadden, Frakes, Brooks, Siddig, Robinson, Auberjonois, Dawson, McNeill, Picardo, and Russ are the only ones who directed.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >3 Martian marines are shown
      >oh wow 2 of them are MUH STRONG WYMEN

      why do people keep shilling this shit past the first season.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        homie it’s power armor
        Hell I bet you could put anyone in a suit capable of vacuum combat and they’ll be a good soldier

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then whats the fricking point of puting a person in the armor if its that fricking awesome? make it a fricking robot.

          Oh wait Power armor enhances the strength of the individual wearing it, so in reality its going to be a fricking dude wearing it and not a woman.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Then whats the fricking point of puting a person in the armor if its that fricking awesome? make it a fricking robot.
            On-site human intelligence
            Resistant to technological interference (of some types)
            Hearts and Minds
            Still operates when suit deactivates, human just dismounts
            >enhances your strength
            Only in the same way your car makes you punch harder. It's not a multiplier. The pilot's strength is not an appreciable part of the equation.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >On-site human intelligence
              Then you'd only use men.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because it was better after Amazon picked it up. Too bad they still have three books left and nobody wants to do them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >who have trained with combat drugs
      cute.. *snorts chemical wienertail from pharmacope*.. where were you when the nukes dropped?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the eugenics wars soldier has tiny ERA pindot armor

        Incredible foretelling

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think that's what they were going for but it is funny

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think they were going for something like thermal dissipation, but it's a funny thought.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Given the thickly padded look, I assumed it was shear thickening fluid with an outer layer of carbide scales.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          After the Iraq war I thought this type of armor may be standard in the future cause it looks so bomb squad. Best way to survive an IED is in a bomb squad suit.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think bomb squad suits are covered in tiny bombs

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Brag about training under normal gravity for Earth
      >All Earthers are hulks on Mars
      It is really funny to think about

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Before that: why the FRICK do they think it's appropriate for both commander and XO to be beamed down, sometimes even bringing their heads of staff. If they die the entire bridge goes unmanned.

      Why send people when you could build drones and observe the ground from a holodeck? Its seems wasteful and stupid to send in people

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You'd have to be a real man to understand.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I doubt you are to. Post pictures of your nuts to prove your a real man.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tank 20mm
      >get shot by three rounds of 10mm
      >dies
      lmao so long space trannies

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      dios mio...

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bruh, I would still AOC.

        Like in a heartbeat.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's the hair, she looks so much better when it's not tied up.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wasn't even talking about looks. If all things are equal, I'd rather be around a woman who can talk in-depth about issues of government than someone who wants to talk about reality TV.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I wasn't even talking about looks. If all things are equal, I'd rather be around a woman who can talk in-depth about issues of government than someone who wants to talk about reality TV.
              >Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                k

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah got your ass Black person
                you're CRINGE

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm too old to care about what makes zoomers cringe

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're too gunless for anyone to care about you at all.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You also have shit taste

                ok

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                alright

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You also have shit taste

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              are you moronic anon? she's literally just a waitress who had the "right" politics and skin color to market to idiots who believe everything is racist. there isn't much going on upstairs with that one

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I respectfully disagree. I think too many people think of her as some sort of symbol, but time and again I've noticed she seems to be one of the few politicians to put thought and effort into their questions and proposals.

                I don't agree with everything she's done, but I also don't think she's one of the empty suits on Capitol Hill waiting for their turn to bluster in front of a camera like a gibbering fool.

                To each their own.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's the hair, she looks so much better when it's not tied up.

          I wasn't even talking about looks. If all things are equal, I'd rather be around a woman who can talk in-depth about issues of government than someone who wants to talk about reality TV.

          She's over thirty, disgusting.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean so am I

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm almost 40.

            Anon, millenials are getting old.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their uniforms allow them to act diplomatic, but their phasers allow them to easily vaporize everyone in that photo.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Finally, so many replies but someone gets it. One plasma torpedo could probably obliterate Phoebe station.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          O think having a weapon small and light makes more sense then having something that large. Imagine a handgun sized weapon that could do what a rifle sized weapon could do. Having something large like that seems pointless

          The inescapable fact is that the power level of Star Trek weapons, like every sci fi setting, is about as consistent and reliable as a friend you made at a methadone clinic.

          They made the big phaser because in the mind of that design guy, phasers don't vaporize people, they just blow a little burn hole in you, and the bigger gun = blow somewhat bigger hole in you.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes anon, but the point of Star Trek isn't the technology, it's the message. If you're a moronic modern day right winger who can't look at anything critically without seeing israelites or diversity hires of course you're going to get the wrong message. I brought up the Expanse because it's a valid example of what an away team in sci fi looks like if you have somewhat reasonable tech. Half of the morons here looked at a Polynesian woman (btw very good actor and her character, although annoying for the first few episodes of the series, turns out to be pretty good) and compared her to an American cop (ie Mexican) or a black woman.

            The tech of Star Trek isn't reasonable. That's the point. It's about the setting, the dialogue and the diplomacy on show.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Black person I dont give a shit about the message I'm just talking about the effects of the guns, post your gun you raiding homosexual.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Eat a snickers or something dude, you are starting to talk like a gay. This thread is comfy af

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post gun

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Anon says something about weapons not doing the same thing on camera all the time to anons talking about fake sci fi stats
              >STOP BEING RIGHT WING STOP IT STOP IT IT'S NOT THE israeliteS REEEEEEE

              What in the frick kind of a reaction is that.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >"the message"
              gtfo queer

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Starfleet superiority complex. The main reason why I disliked this show and the francise in general.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're an idiot.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Starfleet superiority complex.
      have you seen whats going on in mirror universe?

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Extreme naivety and optimism.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure there some dumb canon some where that will say it because star fleet is peaceful and shit, only becoming super militarized in DS9 (in which you actually see starfleet infantry).
    I don't recall off the top of my head in earlier shows, but in Voyager at least, they do wear space suits in certain situations. And Janeway is too much of a coffee addict to go on away missions (generally).
    Then you have the MACO dudes in enterprise, and the hazard team in the games.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >super militarized in DS9 (in which you actually see starfleet infantry)
      But didn't Starfleet infantry in DS9 still just wear standard uniforms? Not even camouflage or helmets.
      Don't tell me they didn't have the budget for some dedicated combat uniforms when the plot is a full scale quadrant wide war.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I recall it being different, but going through screen shots real quick, I guess that was the case aside from one dude just wearing a t shirt.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        we get like one look at a dude in a flak jacket, but I believe the intent is that Security Division are deployed as infantry with appropriate combat gear during a "legal" war. I think O'Brien mentions stuff about it with the Cardassian War.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Starfleet is like NOAA and the Coast Guard combined.

      They go to war, but it's not their primary mission until it is.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tradition, the uniform dates back to stardate 47634.44.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      4 and 5 rows of ribbons and no short tour mutherfrickers.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No AAM or ARCOM but an MSM and DMSM
      must be an officer

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're AF badges not army. AF have their own versions. And space force managed to take all the worst qualities of AF

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does the US military continue to seek out the most aggressively ugly Black folk possible for photo ops?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Humiliation ritual for the west. You WILL look at the ugly thing, you MUST look at the ugly thing, the ugly thing has POWER OVER YOU.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What an interactive looking woman is it a bad angle bets shes got a nice body I guess

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    because literally every single facet of star trek top to bottom is pants-shittingly-retarted duct-tape-over-60s-pulp. it's like war of the worlds having universe traversing world conquering aliens who have no cold medicine. it stopped being excusable 50+ years ago.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This
      You just send drones

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Really a lot of the problems in TNG could of have been solved by sending in a drone first.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's canon that humans of the era realize this, but believe the danger worth it to physically be present. It's not talked about in show hut apparently drones and sensors are used off screen all the time unless time constraints don't allow it.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's canon that humans of the era realize this
            No they don't. Drones during 60s are primitive and useless, hell these primitive humans larping as futurists didn't even heard about VR. It's all you need to know about trackies.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's canon that humans of the era realize this, but believe the danger worth it to physically be present. It's not talked about in show hut apparently drones and sensors are used off screen all the time unless time constraints don't allow it.

          They use drones and probes all the time. Wtf are you homosexuals talking about.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      > universe traversing world conquering aliens

      War of the Worlds aliens were from mars. Earth was their first attack, not the last in an endless line of conquests in a ten million year war.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Frick you, it's just a show. And H.G.Wells was ahead of his time. You look back with 20/20 hindsight, yet you create nothing. Frick off.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Anon believe he has the right to question Starfleet's authority on such matters? Anon, report to the bridge at once.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the original series send the captain, the first officer, and the chief medical officer to the surface of unknown planets with potentially (and frequently) hostile cultures?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason they used old cowboy film sets with fake rocks - smaller cast, lower production cost.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because they larp as Navy. Only they mismatched times. So instead of copying Age of Discovery they copy 1960. What are captain and first mate doing when ship hits port? They go to make "discovery" in the port bar!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      As opposed to the first officer, second officer, chief medical officer, chief engineer, and chief tactical officer like in OP's picrel?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unlike the real world, rank is equal to core job proficiency in Trek all the way up to Captain (admiralty seems to dull the wits somewhat). As such, the best personnel for resolving the week's critical incident also happen to be the highest ranked.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    explain this

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a picture of Luke and Bigger Luke.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like a weapon model from Quake.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        lmao

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mortar round with handles ??

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Two handed and sights. It's for aiming at distances beyond personal defence that the standard phaser is for.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        And then the movies replaced it with this

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/G3VhJZS.jpg

        And then the movies replaced it with this

        O think having a weapon small and light makes more sense then having something that large. Imagine a handgun sized weapon that could do what a rifle sized weapon could do. Having something large like that seems pointless

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they often go on research and diplomatic missions, not fricking low drag high speed tacticool raids. Real question would be why they send their second in command, chief medical officer and security chief on dangerous away missions.
    Also O'Brien is a psychopath that's killed thousands.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You best not be talking shit about Miles "ain't a party 'til I start killin' Cardies" O'Brien.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Voyager introduced the concept of the Hazard Team, which was basically Starfleet SWAT, and that was pretty great.
    But others have it right: the energy output of individual weapons completely overwhelms man-portable defence in Trek, with a few exceptions (Borg drone shields, rare personal deflector technology). As such, uniforms are much more about comfort and diplomatic display.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Pacifism
    2. These are scientific explorer teams, not military units. Star Fleet has space marines and fighters and war ships, but they've never been a focus of any of the shows and in universe are a fairly small part of the fleet as the federation really isn't militant.
    3. This has frick all to do with /k/

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and fighters
      Outside of the Scimitar there isn't really such a thing as fighter ships in Star Trek for the simple reason that the phasers/disruptors of anything bigger would vaporize them in one shot so it's a waste of resources. The closest thing is a BoP and that's explicitly supposed to be like a submarine, not a plane.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They had fighters in DS9.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There is an episode of TNG were I believe Wesley comes back from the academy after his Fighter Squadron fricked up a stunt flight or some shit.

        But Fighters, as dumb as it may be, are indeed a thing. It's fiction written by hundreds of different people anon, there are going to be inconsistencies.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I recall that episode, but I thought they were flying trainer spacecraft at the Academy, not fighters. Generic small fighters appeared several times in DS9 though like

          They had fighters in DS9.

          mentioned. It's no stretch to call the Defiant a warship either. There was also the "Tactical Flyer" fighter in Discovery.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I thought they were flying trainer spacecraft at the Academy, not fighters.

            About the only thing I recall about that episode is they referred to them as Fighters. It stood out to me.

            Aren't those Maquis attack frigates?

            No. Pic related is a Maquis Raider frigate. They look a lot alike, but no one piece of the ship is exactly like the other really. In particular notice the fighters have what looks like a small wienerpit, the engines are half the fricking ship, and it has those shuttle type nacelles on either side of the fuselage.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Let's be fair, if we had that kind of construction tech we absolutely would build things that way too, it's so much easier. The real question is why the frick did no one think to install seat belts until the Dominion War?

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Phasers are dangerous enough that armor doesn't really matter anymore. Even the weaker ones in the TOS era fricking vaporized people at a high enough setting. Nothing short of deflector shields can really stop a phaser.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It helps to understand that starfleet officers are all thrill seeking adventurers that weren't satisfied with the infinite possibilities at the holodecks back on earth. Every mission could probably be done autonomously by the ships computers but the humans want to tag along for the ride because exploring the stars is cool.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s what it is has become retroactively.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You virgins don't deserve to share the same board with a veteran like myself.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You'd place a low value on human life, too, if your daily commute involved being atomized and replaced by a duplicate constructed wherever you were going.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, are you conscious going from sleep-->awake? Black out drunk to awake? Provided your memories are exactly the same they may think nothing of it at all. How would you know if you were replacing a person who had your same exact organs and memories?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This meme again
      Transporters aren't replicators. The clue is in the name you FREAK.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't there an episode where Riker accidentally got cloned because his matter stream refracted off an ion cloud or something?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, are you conscious going from sleep-->awake? Black out drunk to awake? Provided your memories are exactly the same they may think nothing of it at all. How would you know if you were replacing a person who had your same exact organs and memories?

      >This meme again
      Transporters aren't replicators. The clue is in the name you FREAK.

      Reminder that TNG confirms the existence of the Soul and some people are even able to remain conscious during transport.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's like everyone forgets that Barclay is actively conscious and able to move during transport and we watch it happen

        or maybe they never actually watched the show and are just whining about what they think transporters do

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >suddenly realize Picard is nowhere to be seen or heard of to speak of even during the Dominion war
    Where was he? It seems like such a prominant captain and ship would be among the ships on the front lines.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard_(1ST)#The_Dominion_War
      >In early 2374, the Enterprise saw extensive action along the front-line in the Dominion War.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Where was he?
      Making diplomatic missions to get more allies on their side during the war effort, that was literally the whole plot of Insurrection

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Starfleet had personal shields on the old cartoons that were able to protect its user from fire and bad atmosphere, so why not use shoes and cool clothes?.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pockets
    just beam your keys into your hand when you need them

  24. 11 months ago
    Greased Geese

    what do you get from overanalyzing star trek

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unlike Star Wars which relied on action, the almost-nonexistent budget of Trek until relatively recently meant a lot of standing around and talking which meant sometimes having really intelligent dialog. Which means there's actually something to examine there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      its one of the palatable TV shows

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      what do you get by using a trip on an anonymous imageboard

      • 11 months ago
        Greased Geese

        clout for being the biggest moron on the website

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don’t need a trip for that

          t. a bigger moron than you’ll ever be

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      boner.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      enjoyment

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's O'Brien.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sure I killed them
      Chief.. the war ended 20 years ago..

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Meanwhile

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >spill spaghetti in family home
        >storm off to cargo hold full of volatile crates
        >decide to an hero
        >deliberately set phaser to 16, intend to take the promenade with you when the crates go up
        based

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kek I never thought about that but yeah, based O'Brian

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          he didn't want to risk the next chief of operations having to put up with fixing quark's pleasure rooms when Cardassian Babes with Cardassian Gapes causes the whole line of holo-suites to go haywire

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            All the other kids with their gold-pressed kicks
            Better run, better run
            Away from the hull
            All the other kids with their gold-pressed kicks
            Better run, better run
            Back to seal the bulkheads

            Why is being an engineer, assuming you aren't Chief Engineer, such a fricking death magnet? It's not being a redshirt that gets you killed, it's being connected to engineering, red and gold switching their uniform colors didn't change that.

            >Why do people working with the most potential energy and fastest operational tempo suffer the most injuries?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Miles "Neck like a snake? It's gotta break" O'Brien

      Miles "Spoon on head, shoot 'em dead" O'Brien

      Miles "Kill a Cardy, get a hardy" O'Brien

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      man, it's funny how many of my favorite episodes involve that sad sack of potatoes, especially ds9
      i've really gotta rewatch everything sometime

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the minstrel boy to the war has gone
        >I'm not going to win this one, am I chief?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the episode where they make a perfect clone of O'Brien with a hidden killphrase to make him go nuts and kill someone
          >but they made the clone too perfect and instead the clone keeps believing it's the original and trying to figure out what's wrong with everyone around him right to the end and the clone's dying breath is telling them to tell his wife he loves her

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >His best friend is a genetic abomination, a living embodiment of the Federation's core taboo
            >O'Brien just makes him stand further back on darts night
            Humanity's shining beacon

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I know. I know, nu Trek, but this was a nice joke to end an episode on.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pitch:
                >Six episode miniseries
                >Academy training ship on a routine patrol of some incredibly safe backwater encounters hostiles and is attacked.
                >All but one senior officer dead, cadets and their surviving instructor must join a ragtag defense of the sector as starfleet scrambles to respond to the threat.
                >Thankfully, these young officers are now under the command of a seasoned starfleet veteran
                >Colm Meany stars in : O'Brien

                Also everyone is a competent (young) adult naval officer who mostly solve problems by talking about them, regardless of general stress level. Ain't no one throwing screaming fits or doing idiot teenager shit because of their feelings.

                Make Star Trek Kind Of Boring Again

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Aw frick it is just prodigy. Shit.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >His best friend is a genetic abomination
              Alex Siddig hated that reveal because it was written in basically at the last minute and if he knew Bashir was going to be revealed to be an Augment, he would've played the character differently. Though funnily when you rewatch it knowing that twist, there a ton of moments where it seems like Bashir is holding back his genius or physical prowess just so he can appear "normal". Like in Trials and Tribble-ations where he easily takes down a Klingon and then looks like he's faking that he hurt his shoulder to do it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it could've been done better, but it gave his character a lot to do.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's a case of backloaded vs frontloaded storytelling. Babylon 5 was frontloaded, Straczynski had everything planned out day 1 from how the plot would go. DS9 by contrast was backloaded, they were making it up as they went and basically looked at previously established plot points and said "how can we expand on this?"

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                B5 is overrated as frick. Londo and G'Kar are the only good parts of that show. Maybe Sheridan.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                My point was just that there's different ways of writing a serialized show, and for as much as DS9 and B5 were compared, they were written in opposite ways.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I get you, I just wanted to get that off my chest.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's why DS9 up until the S2 finale has a very "what the frick is this show even supposed to be" feeling because they hadn't quite realized yet that they didn't HAVE to be another TNG which is why there were so many "alien of the week" episodes.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That song might be my favorite scene in all of Trek.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Every season must have an "O'Brien must suffer" episode because he's the working-class everyman the audience can relate to so you're more empathetic to his suffering compared to say Bashir who is kind of a twat even if he eventually grows a heart of gold.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah but even the non-suffering episodes are good
          yes, i even like bashir and o'brien buddy cop episodes

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tfw ywn spend all evening shooting down Jerries with your bro in the holosuites
            Bashir is arrogant af but his relationships with the best characters Garak and O'Brien make him good in my book.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >mfw I found out they wanted to do at least 3 more Bashir/Garak Bond parody episodes but the British film studio that owns the 007 franchise stepped in and said "nah, you can't make any more"
              God, why do some people in this world just hate FUN? Bashir and Garak's banter was on point that episode

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It was MGM and we don't know what the actual legal terms of what went down but the gist of what most surmise is Paramount paid a fine and promised to never do this again.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It was MGM and we don't know what the actual legal terms of what went down but the gist of what most surmise is Paramount paid a fine and promised to never do this again.

                >not fulfilling the letter of the agreement and having the Bashir/Garak spy episodes parody other superspy franchises
                The Vic Fontaine casino job episode is 75% of the way to a Mission Impossible episode already.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's just a really good actor. That's how he basically turned an incredibly minor role into a major part over the course of twelve years.

        Writers love to write for good actors; that's why Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart got all the love in TNG.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    MACOs were based, but having a dedicate marine force stationed on diplomatic and exploratory vessels would have pissed Roddenberry off

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder: Roddenberry was high as a kite starting in the late 70s.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Also why do they keep sending the main officers it's just dumb they should have had a special team trained for diplomatically meeting the aliens, people with language skills and have a security team for them. I think a lot of lives would have been saved and lot of embarking situations been avoided. Better yet why not send droids or just been holographic images down there.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well the obvious answer is for the sake of giving the main actors more screen time and not just having them stand in front of the bridge's viewscreen during negotiations, but in the case of Picard he is the Federation's highest representative.
      Also, more often than not when they're doing diplomacy/negotiation in person they don't beam down, the other party comes and they talk in the Enterprise's conference room

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    My understanding was that phasers could penetrate virtually any material known to man, making body armor a redundant concept.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can as long as you set it high enough. Only deflector shields can actually stop a phaser.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can as long as you set it high enough. Only deflector shields can actually stop a phaser.

      And the various forms of cover people hide behind regularly. You'd think if your life was in danger you'd turn up the juice 1%

      Dont try to pretend star trek is consistent.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't so inconsistent. Shooting large objects seems to heat them all the way across in an inefficient (for combat) manner. We don't often see a shoot-through effect. Sheer mass can be an obstacle. At lower power, you'd spend crucial time disintegrating a piece of cover and the enemy could pop out and shoot you. At higher power, you might get fratricide or breach your own hull or what have you.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is being an engineer, assuming you aren't Chief Engineer, such a fricking death magnet? It's not being a redshirt that gets you killed, it's being connected to engineering, red and gold switching their uniform colors didn't change that.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd pretty sure it's actually the Security part of Engineering and Security that has such a high mortality rate as they were the red TOS/gold TNG dudes too.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Feddie ships are death magnets in general and where E&S is usually stationed tends to be right at the poles of the magnet.

      I'd pretty sure it's actually the Security part of Engineering and Security that has such a high mortality rate as they were the red TOS/gold TNG dudes too.

      Nah, engies get deaths too and even the worst ones like "phasing through the fricking floor halfway and then becoming solid again" or "atomized into a trillion tiny fragments and lost in the transporter beam forever."

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw real life turns into a Bethesda game and you glitch through the floor

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Man that episode scared the shit out of me as a kid.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            what's the webm from?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Man that episode scared the shit out of me as a kid.

          legit made me afraid of the fricking floor for a week

          Enterprise's problem was it started off pretty bad, then it got worse, then it finally started to get really good...and was cancelled

          and i'll never forgive CBS for it
          robbed us of the fricking Federation-Romulan war, the bastards

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    transparency and nonagressive visuals

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Enterprise D was a star liner with torpedoes and phasers. Imagine dressing the staff of a Disney cruise in military gear

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven’t been on a Disney Cruise since 2004, but I’m pretty sure most of the waitstaff participated in one Balkan atrocity or another.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Enterprise was fricking /k/ino and I'm tired of pretending it was a bad show.

    A bad Star Trek maybe, but not a bad show. It made fricking sense that there should be a special forces team trained in all manners of combat that accompanies your starships across the galaxy. ESPECIALLY on away missions. Imagine having a Captain beam down to a planet with a couple of ensigns that only have a few weak concealed phasers. That logic was so stupid in all the Star Trek series.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Enterprise's problem was it started off pretty bad, then it got worse, then it finally started to get really good...and was cancelled

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Enterprise was fricking /k/ino and I'm tired of pretending it was a bad show.
      It was really bad up front and people were sick of Star Trek.

      Rick Berman begged to have a few years off so they could give people a breather, but Paramount needed a flagship show to carry the dying UPN.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    God I want to make sweet tender love to Dr. Beverly Crusher. I want her homosexual son to walk in just as I'm blowing my load into her fertile womb. I'll slowly turn to him and give a wink while asking if he wants a brother or sister.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not wanting to blow your load into prime twink 1987 Wil Wheaton for round 2

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only if it would somehow alter the timeline to create a future where he isn't the man he is now.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Every man watching TNG wanted to frick Gates McFadden, at least say something controversial here anon.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        McFadden never did it for me and Sirtis only started once she hit MILF.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          For me it was when Troi actually wore her blue uniform, I thought she was hotter in that than in any of her jumpsuits

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Forgot pic.
            Greek chicks, man.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/cDz8nx9.jpg

              God I want to make sweet tender love to Dr. Beverly Crusher. I want her homosexual son to walk in just as I'm blowing my load into her fertile womb. I'll slowly turn to him and give a wink while asking if he wants a brother or sister.

              Miss the days when they had attractive women on tv now its awful. Why is usa like this, theres a some what correlation on a civiisation/country the better the movie tv show film the better th country is doing, once it starts to be shit the country is going to hell. Right now american cinema and films suck and usa is going to hell

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You say that but movies are still filled with beautiful people because hollywood if no one else seems to understand that people want to look at attractive people on the screen.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                shirley jones and lizzo twerking.jpg

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    THEAD THEME

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >dress shoes
    You only have one chance to make a good first impression.
    >no pockets
    Data's uniform clearly has one
    >and a thin layer of cloth for uniform
    You got to let your skin breathe.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Data's uniform clearly has one
      It's literally a belt he's wearing

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >an entire episode about communicating in memes

    https://vimeo.com/820879030

    Frick me Star Trek was so good.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Putin, his army scattered

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Napoleon at Moscow

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lavrov, his arms wide

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      One of my favorite experiences was going into Darmok blind and figuring out the deal with the analogical speaking style at almost the same second Picard does. I don't know if they had a bunch of people watch the proto reel and cut the episode to length to line up perfectly with the average or what but damn was it neat.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No it's definitely intentional as the Enterprise crew figures it out around the same time Picard does.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    also. they can just use tele for instant orbital bombing.

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    star trek saved my netflix subscription

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      And then they took the shows off it. People wonder why piracy has gone up in the last few years but it's not a surprise that people were ok with paying 15 bucks a month for access to EVERYTHING, instead of every goddamn studio out there trying to make their content exclusive to their version of Netflix that they all expect you to pay 15 a month for.

  40. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    To manufactured triumph!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just want to say that I really appreciate this image.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Odo being a stickler for the rules to the point that it actively hampered the Niners
      >got hollywood's biggest baseball coach to make sure they got everything right
      >they got actual minor league baseball players to play the Vulcans so it looked convincing that the Niners were getting shitstomped even though most of the DS9 cast had at least some experience playing in their lives
      >Rom's actor was a semi-pro baseball player before becoming an actor and literally couldn't convincingly look like Rom was bad at the game without using his off hand
      >aired the same week as the world series
      God I fricking love that episode

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