Why does Starfleet think it is appropriate for away teams to beam down to planets with dress shoes, no pockets and a thin layer of cloth for uniform?
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Why does Starfleet think it is appropriate for away teams to beam down to planets with dress shoes, no pockets and a thin layer of cloth for uniform?
idk maybe because they have a spaceship capable of wiping out a planet
>Why does Starfleet think it is appropriate for away teams to beam down to planets with dress shoes, no pockets and a thin layer of cloth for uniform?
Because a hand phaser could melt an M1A2 Abrams into a puddle, a wee bit of armor ain't defending against that.
Environmental gear also probably isn't that important since they can determine if an atmosphere is safe and Starfleet medical are basically space white mages when it comes to curing disease.
Trekkie hand weapons are frequently shown being blocked by random crates
they're set to 'hey stop'
They're not set to kill at the time.
Crate destruction is Setting 17.
It's still human behind phaser and they die to humble AK. It's just authors are hacks and show is utterly stupid. Sorry, this is how it is.
Hey man where can I read your awesome scripts
If you interested into real Sci Fi Frontier trip read Invincible by S. Lem. It comes from the same time but power gap between Lem and Hollywood hacks is unbelievable.
memoirs from a bathtub was one of the most obnoxious novels i ever had the pleasure of reading
They have personal shield emitters issued when they go into actual combat, which tracks with all their ships being basically tissue paper aside from the ludicrous shield projectors, implying physical defenses are basically unheard of and helpessly obsolete compared to blasters. The only ones ever seen wearing armor are Klingons, and they're frequently involved in hand to hand combat with swords!
>which tracks with all their ships being basically tissue paper aside from the ludicrous shield projectors, implying physical defenses are basically unheard of and helpessly obsolete compared to blasters.
The only ships iirc that actually has armor worth a damn is the Defiant (which basically has bonus layers it can burn through before it's vulnerable) and Voyager in the last episode (which had future tech that constantly regenerated armor layers over the ship)
Aside from that yeah, ships in star trek are by design basically paper when the shields are gone because armor simply can't keep up with weapons anymore. Hence why the Jem'Hadar were so dangerous early on, their polaron weapons ignored shields before new shield tech was developed to combat it.
The Jem'Hadar Fighter is the size of a naval destroyer, it was meant to show the sheer power of the Dominion that they could call such a thing a simple "fighter"
>>The Jem'Hadar Fighter is the size of a naval destroyer, it was meant to show the sheer power of the Dominion that they could call such a thing a simple "fighter"
They also had small federation fighters in the big battles but I don't remember whether they were acknowledged in the dialogue.
Aren't those Maquis attack frigates?
no those are terran raiders!
Separate but similar looking ships. The attack fighters seem to basically be heavily armed shuttle craft which makes sense, even the runabouts could be dangerous against weaker opponents. The Maquis Raider is more of a small warship closer in size to the Jem'Hadar Fighter, Bird of Prey or Defiant.
Pic is from the reference book: Shipyards: Starfleet Ships 2294 - The Future
>"Hey we need X"
>X magically appears
that probably could happen in 99% of circumstances if they truly were worried. Besides, most primitives aren't really equipped with anything. Also the dress clothes are iirc immune to common 20th century ballistics, I think there was an episode of TNG where the away crew is shot at with bullets and they just aren't bothered by it.
Star Trek ships aren't just unarmored, they aren't even like welded or riveted together or anything. There is an integrity field that just holds everything together. It's like a lego kit except the legos don't have pegs, they just magically know where they are supposed to lock into place. This apparently makes it very quick to build and replace ship components though, because they can just yoink things out at space docks and slap new bits in.
>they aren't even like welded or riveted together or anything.
That sounds like a terrible idea.
According to the tech manual everything is gamma welded together and shit. It just comes apart when needed because space physics and shit.
I was about to say, "I swore I replied to this post earlier". And I did, but I accidentally linked to the wrong post when I did
My favorite Star Trek weapon is the bazooka Worf used which was approximately 1000 times the size of the smallest hand phaser and hit with less force than an actual real world bazooka.
My second favorite are the Borg Sphere's torpedoes/energy balls/whatever, that also apparently packed one millionth the power of a hand phaser.
Pretty much this. Despite it being primarily a diplomatic vessel, people forget just how much firepower a Galaxy-class has. It could reduce most civilizations to cinders effortlessly.
According to tech manual figures, the Ent-D, which is commonly derided as a flying cruise ship, has a secondary armament of 250 FTL capable antimatter warheads with a 62 megaton yield.
Several sides use craft called "fighters." As pointed out the Jem'Hadar fighters are closer to corvettes or destroyers, while the Federation and Cardassian fighters are closer in function to fast attack craft or PT boats (has enough armament to take on a full-sized vessel but will die in a standup fight).
>According to tech manual figures, the Ent-D, which is commonly derided as a flying cruise ship, has a secondary armament of 250 FTL capable antimatter warheads with a 62 megaton yield.
We dont cotton to spacebattlers around these parts, why dont you mosey on back where you came from before you have to t t t t t t taste the pain.
The Ent-D having a magazine of 250 photon torpedoes is canon though.
Because it is a tv show with a budget you putz.
It's based on reality tho. At least the original series was.
Thunder Birds outfits on the two bros ??
>It's based on reality tho. At least the original series was.
Gene was candid about it being "Wagon Train in Space". The human element was what interested him, the Sci-fi was, figuratively and literally, set dressing.
This. The reason Star Trek was so successful is that even though it had Gene’s hippie-dippy ideals he never focused on the political or societal aspects of the federation and only on the interactions of a highly professional, albeit unorthodox, crew and their adventures as they manned an exploratory space vessel. The lore and internal logic of Star Trek sucks ass, like why the fuck would sovereign species submit themselves to the human-centric Federation? or how the fuck does an implied pacifistic, anti-imperialist, and pleasure seeking utopia cultivate the culture and internal justification to create and sustain a highly militaristic “exploratory” organization that maintains a massive fleet of war capable ships and disciplined crews to man them, as well as have human colonies? or how with so many extant space faring species did they all evolve to go to space at roughly the same time with basically only 3 becoming dominant in the alpha quadrant? The main attraction of star trek is the characters and wacky situations but people are so idiotic they take the moral lessons as gospel and the science as fact.
>he never focused on the political or societal aspects of the federation
>Accidentally unleash a man from the 80s
>He immediately is obsessed with the stonks
>Gene Rodenberry's opinion comes out as Picard basically calls him a greedy savage and that society has evolved beyond petty wealth
>another epi with uniforms of war
>Tangent about the end for a need for large standing armies and how they've evolved beyond such things
>Klingons only exist because the TV execs basically told him he needed an antagonist race because it was fucking boring without it, and they wanted some cold war tensions
Nah Gene was pretty clear on his opinions with regards to consumerism, war, and imperialism
>Gene Rodenberry's opinion comes out as Picard basically calls him a greedy savage and that society has evolved beyond petty wealth
But it turned out that guy had a perfect read on the Romulan captain within seconds of hearing him talk. Starfleet probably made him a fucking professional negotiator.
But it was obvious, it was so goddamn obvious the Romulans were being cheeky liars, Picard basically said "he's not wrong" when the dude said it
>Starfleet probably made him a fucking professional negotiator.
In the novels he's the Federation's ambassador to Ferenginar.
Tell me once where the society and politics of the Federation was explored in detail. Gene made passing allusions to how the Federation’s society was structured, with one of the most often cited episodes being the one you mentioned with the stock guy, but never does he go into how his magical utopia is ever structured. Gene didn’t hide the fact the Federation was his idea of a liberal’s paradise, he just never went in to how it functions beyond it being “tolerant.” It’s just a hippie commune in space with a culture that paradoxically values the militaristic and borderline fascistic qualities of Star Fleet. It’s a world where humans live in a multi-species federation but still have human colonies; it’s a world where humans culture is implied to be heavily pacifistic, beyond most human vices, and anti-imperialistic, yet Star Fleet (which is by nature a security force and an extension of the Federation’s will to inflict violence even if they call themselves “explores”) is considered an honorable organization and profession; it’s a world where humans domination of the Federation goes unquestioned.
>yet Star Fleet (which is by nature a security force and an extension of the Federation’s will to inflict violence even if they call themselves “explores”) is considered an honorable organization and profession
Because they know there's a difference between being peaceful and being harmless. You can be a hippie and still recognize when it's a good time to stop someone kicking your ass.
>Because they know there's a difference between being peaceful and being harmless. You can be a hippie and still recognize when it's a good time to stop someone kicking your ass.
The last hundred years have put that idea decidedly to rest. There is a difference between being violent and restrained and violent and unrestrained.
You should think of starfleet as the japanese military. technically, by their constitution they are not allowed to have an army but they are allowed to have "Self Defence Forces"
Such an arrangement was imposed from outside. Not an organic development.
But the very idea that Star Fleet exists to preempt aggression or to put it down is in itself an issue in the Star Trek universe. By the very nature of the Federation as it is implied it should not exist.
I would argue in the TNG era the federation were doormats and starfleet would just let every other race just walk over them
Gene Roddenberry added unsung, purely for legal purposes lyrics to the themesong of TOS so he could get half of the royalties that should have gone in their entirety to Alexander Courage.
Getting a weekly lecture in greed from Gene is like getting a weekly sermon on chastity from a kiddie diddling Priest.
I think Gene's a foolish hypocrite, please see above, but DS9 shouldn't be considered anything than Ira's garden gnomed subversion of Gene's loopy utopia. After the first couple season's after Piller left at least.
It shouldn't be cited as an example of what Starfleet or the Federation is or isn't. Ever. Ira is a selfish rat.
hate the game not the player foo
>but DS9 shouldn't be considered anything than Ira's garden gnomed subversion of Gene's loopy utopia.
People say this but I have to ask, did we watch the same show? DS9 didn't subvert Gene's vision, it merely challenged it because the Federation in TNG always tried to just create treaties to avoid any conflict ever even when it was a shitty treaty that is 90/10 in the other side's favor. Well what do you do when when an actual nation (and not a force of nature like the Borg) refuse to negotiate and their own goal is your death or total subjugation? You will have to fight. More importantly, every time it seemed they were going for a subversion, the actual main characters fought against it.
When Section 31's existence was revealed, it disgusts everyone but actual S31's members and it's seen as a betrayal of everything the federation stands for. Even the ones that are willing to work with them hate the fact that they're doing it
In the Pale Moonlight, THE DS9 episode, everything immoral was done by Garak, it pisses off Sisko to no end, and Sisko hates the fact that he can live with maintaining the lie
The Bajoran terrorists and Maquis are constantly shown in a negative light, being seen as short-sighted, betraying any higher values, and that they create more problems than they solve.
And lastly, how did the war end? When the Federation had the ability to destroy the Founders, Section 31's plan was utterly rejected and the war ended not with destruction, but peace after saving their enemies through compassion and humanity. It's like the most Star Trek ending possible.
....and then Sisko fights Dukat in a volcano.
>I do not allow my officers to be terrorists
But he just said he doesn't allow his officers to be terrorists, because he doesn't believe in Mao's line
but at the end when Data qualifies it more Picard gives a very open ended answer
>everything immoral was done by Garak
come on, the mans a real hero
Ira hated TNG so much he walked away from a 2 year pay or play contract, returning only after Gene was too dead to oppose him.
Ira was a forerunner of everything infecting Hollywood today. He thought writing "grey" stories was interesting. So he shoved all the 20th century human conflict he could into DS9 and called it a day. These are all things Gene thought would be thoroughly in the rear view mirror for 24th century humanity.
>He thought writing "grey" stories was interesting.
I mean they are more interesting than black and white conflicts, the problem is if you don't do it well there's no one to root for.
>So he shoved all the 20th century human conflict he could into DS9 and called it a day. These are all things Gene thought would be thoroughly in the rear view mirror for 24th century humanity.
Let's ignore that Coon was the true genius behind TOS and ST's idealistic tone and that Gene took credit for shit he didn't do. That doesn't change that even TOS did shit like that, like how TOS was built around the writers' disagreement with the Truman Doctrine. Or the episodes where the Prime Directive should just be thrown out the window if the Klingons are involved because they don't follow it, why should we in that circumstance? Or the episodes about race relations while the Civil Rights movement was going on. Or hell, Star Trek 6 which is explicitly about the Soviet Union's collapse and involves an inner federation plot to sabotage peace by assassinating the leaders of both factions, something Gene loved right up until the movie was about to come out and then suddenly he openly hated it.
The question isn't whether or not one is better than the other. The matter at hand isn't what sort of setting you prefer.
At issue is what exactly is Federation doctrine. DS9 being Ira Behr Stevens subversion of TNG, it should be completely and totally ignored when thinking about that. Same as nuTrek.
Again, how is it subverting it? Section 31 is a super secret organization that you have to be captain rank just to hear of its name and an admiral to know what it does, and everyone who knows what they does fucking hates them. If it was a subversion, S31 would be seen as ultimately necessary for the Federation's existence and not a cancerous growth on the system that needs to be exsised. But the only people who think that are the people in Section 31 themselves.
Like, how many more episodes of DS9 did you need of the characters saying that the worst thing a federation officer can do is betray its values for you to realize it's not a subversion? What do you think a subversion means?
Raising the issue at all within Starfleet is something Gene would not do. To raise the things touched on by DS9, not in monster of the week way, not allegorically within another Alien state, but within the Federation itself is subversive.
>Raising the issue at all within Starfleet is something Gene would not do.
Do I have to point out how many "evil admiral" plots we had while Gene was still alive?
I shouldn't have to point out to you the difference between an aberration to be cut out of Starfleet like a cancer and Ben Sisko living with it.
Again, what is subversion to you? What does that word in regards to audience expectations actually mean? Because I'm pretty sure you think it means something that it doesn't. The idea that the Federation should be pure and all conflicts should exist through allegory, is something Gene Coon ignored all the fucking time.
Do you forget that Sisko is disturbed by the fact that he can live with it? That even though he know it's the correct thing to do, it's absolutely NOT the right thing to do? That it's making him realize how much war takes away peoples' humanity that he can even consider something he never would've a few years earlier? Why do you think he said "I can live with it" over and over? Hint, it's because deep down he can't.
Hit submit early. Was going to say that he's not Garak, he's not a patriot that can just toss away all morals and ethics whenever doing so benefits Cardassia. He hates what he thinks he's becoming. That is the difference between him and Garak.
Wait till you guys find out that TOS is about the book of Enoch.
What the fuck are you on about? Behr was hired as a producer in S3 under Berman and Pillar, long after Roddenberry's involvement with the show had become minimal. He continued as a freelancer in S4 before joining Pillar on DS9. You're also ignoring Ronald Moore and Robert Hewitt Wolfe.
Sisko actively opposes S31 whenever he's informed of their activities. In the Pale Moonlight is his own initiative.
>how the fuck does an implied pacifistic, anti-imperialist, and pleasure seeking utopia cultivate the culture and internal justification to create and sustain a highly militaristic “exploratory” organization that maintains a massive fleet of war capable ships and disciplined crews to man them, as well as have human colonies?
Their closest neighbors are the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Gorn, and Tholians. Granted the latter two are more like self-interested assholes you can have a friendly beer with than existential enemies but they're still rival civilizations.
The Federation is comprised of constituent independent governments. Despite the name it's actually closer to a confederation. There are human colonies because human governments (there are actually several independent human polities in Trek) sponsor them. Federation as a whole is largely pacifistic as a matter of policy, but in practice they're simply non-aggressive rather than defenseless. Everyone understands that the galaxy is a hostile place and the need to protect themselves or to be a part of an organization that can. And lastly the reason why we see so many humans in Trek is budget and filming constraints (something that is changing with increasingly cheap CGI and easier makeup/prosthetic construction).
Also isn't the Federation president almost always an alien?
Everyone is close to the Tholians, Tholians are an interdimensional species
>Tholians are an interdimensional species
Nta but I always thought that was neat. The idea that since the multiverse has been an established thing since TOS, that there's this one empire that explicitly takes advantage of that and the Tholians of every universe joined forces as one big multi-dimensional Tholian Empire.
In fairness that's because no one except for the Tholians have tech specifically built for reliably crossing between universes aside from whenever DS9 wants to do that season's Terran episode.
The beta canon explanation is that Tholians naturally have multidimensional properties unlike everyone else. A Tholian is a Tholian regardless of dimension, but you're not going to get the Federation and Terran Empire to agree to anything.
Phasers can penetrate damn near anything - if they're at the right setting. And higher settings have higher energy requirements from the battery.
>Phasers can penetrate damn near anything - if they're at the right setting. And higher settings have higher energy requirements from the battery.
You'd die to conserve battery on something you could carry fifteen of comfortably?
> Despite the name it's actually closer to a confederation.
It’s literally described as a single central united government ruling over various planets that have a limited degree of self-rule, hence a federation, but that still doesn’t get to the crux of the issue that such a disparate group of vastly different species with NO shared history could come together to form a stable united government and then construct the internal culture that would allow them to address all internal grievances while at the same time effectively compete with established monospecific cultures like the Tholians, Romulans, etc.., which for some reason weren’t blessed with the innate democratic spirit that infected all those other species immediately around mankind. If you want it to be a confederation fine, but that does no favors to internal structure and only introduces more issues: like how Earth would basically be autonomous, pursue human colonies and construct Star Fleet for its own use, but still be committed enough to the idea of a “federation” that they felt the need to defend it when they are essentially their own entity and would have no stake in the survival of a organization that they don’t have a controlling share of and that actually hinders their growth (as it would to any species that is a part of it).
Gene wanted a giga-UN in space but completely forgot the nasty bits of history and international tomfoolery that made the UN come about in the first place and then remain, and that the UN is essentially powerless and only derives any legitimacy it has from the superpowers that nursed it into existence for their own designs. The only way the Federation could exist is if it was held together by a central and dominate species, i.e. Humans, but that would go against the very ideas that Gene set up for a spacefaring democratic civilization that has left behind the vices of yesteryear.
Easy, you don't actually know the setting and instead are arguing assumptions you've constructed out of ignorance.
To be fair none of us expected Prodigy to as good as it is.
Is Prodigy good? I wasn't too keen on a kids cartoon, but people seem to like it.
Why am I not surprised.
No one is going to debate your headcanon.
Lol. Little baby can’t handle the fact that Star Trek has 0 internal consistency or rational when it comes to politics and society.
>and that the UN is essentially powerless
But that's by design, the people who created the UN as an organization never wanted it to be able to override national sovereignty, merely that its member nations could join together towards a common cause even if that cause is to shit on a country.
The UN was created to prevent another World War. So far it has succeded.
My point was more that by contrast, the League of Nations WAS actually supposed to have the power to infringe on national sovereignty to prevent war. However that was its downfall, giving the organization that kind of power meant no one truly wanted to commit to it in fear that that power would be wielded.
The UN not wielding any real power itself and the power being held by its member states means people have much more of an incentive to buy into the system.
It's amazing how effective "Here's an avenue of officially bitch about how pissed off you are at the other guy" has been
League of Nations failed because it had zero backing from the superpowers of the time. The US, essentially the country that introduced the ideas internationally which led to the creation of the League of Nations, didn’t even join it.
Kes was the better character and cuter
nah, seven was sexier in every way
>you will never be the guy who took her virginity
Why fight you when we could pool our resources and try to convince them to team up?
7/9 had arguably better character development. Kes just kinda stayed flat the whole time she was on the show, despite having that whole Dark Phoenix Saga thing going on in the background.
To be fair though there's no shortage of shitty characters that don't get developed in VOY.
And Kes was only sort of yandere-cute whereas 7 was genuinely hot. But real gentlemen preferred the one you can only download with Internet King advanced computer services.
I don't need to fight you. This is Kes' actress' 2015 mugshot.
I forgot all about that. Oof.
And here's 2022 Seven for comparison.
i blame star trek for my thing for pixie cuts
No Kira Nerys?
You know the actress that played Janeway hated this actress. She would bully her on set all the time. When 7/9s actress would ask to use the bathroom Janeway would say no way, it takes too long to get her in and out of that skin tight spandex, so she just has to HOLD IT! Needless to say this likely led to 7/9 having at least one 'accident' in her costume.
7/9s actress said she would feel sick in the morning getting ready for work because she knew how much Janeway was going to bully her that day!
My thunderous cock would’ve sorted them all out. Also what costume? She was just in spandex with some shit glued to her face
I think it was more jealousy on Janeway's part anyway, because she was all excited about being the 'female Picard' for all the little girls to look up to, and all that. And then they had to bring in this giant titted bimbo to save the ratings from the shitter... And worst of all, it worked. People actually started watching after they got 7/9.
That said, I'd say there's more to that costume than just spandex. There's at least a corset or something ribbed, and the arms and collar might be a separate part from the body. Anyway, even if your costume is just a shirt and pants, you have to stop by wardrobe after a break to get straightened out, make sure you didn't stain anything, etc
It was a multitude of things; Kate Mulgrew was big dog and she wasn't going to let the newcomer take her place. It didn't help that Jeri Ryan essentially replaced Jennifer Lien because the studio didn't want to pay for another actor and Kate and Jen were relatively close. Also, the fact that Jeri was fucking Brannon Braga at the time was public knowledge and everybody hated her for it.
Was it fair? No, not really. There's footage of Jeri Ryan breaking down crying at a con over it. For her part, Kate was publicly owned up to it, but I don't know if they've ever reconciled.
They didn't honour that request according to Garrett Wang. But Mulgrew DID ask for it, marking her out as the sourest bitch in history.
I always knew she was a bitch irl
I need to trust my instincts more
Stop, I can only get so hard!
Her husband's desire to have sex in public is the reason Barack Obama was elected president. And the reason we have Joe Biden today.
It's a little disingenuous - there was no way Illinois was going to elect a Republican senator in 2004.
Before that: why the FUCK do they think it's appropriate for both commander and XO to be beamed down, sometimes even bringing their heads of staff. If they die the entire bridge goes unmanned.
At least Enterprise had the Marine team for away missions deemed too intense for department heads.
Because it's fiction.
Or perhaps because it was the creation of someone who was hopeful and imagined a future where humans would be curious and open and boldly go toward the unknown... And lots of no-strings attached sex, of course.
They actually don't think its appropriate, they usually only do it when visiting a friendly planet or when the plot really needs both of them down there.
Riker stops Picard in one of the episodes and points this out, and actually bans him from joining the away mission
It only really made sense in TOS with Kirk and Spock since they're in an entirely different league.
Story telling anon. An extremely strong unobtainium battle suit that can do shit like tank 20mm rounds or shoot lasers at people would probably be ideal for travelling to a hostile planet but it doesn't go well with the vibe Star Trek has or help the audience distinguish the characters.
Pic related is probably more what you're looking for. The context is that the people in pic related are Martian space marines, who have trained with combat drugs under artificial 1G conditions for an opposed landing and combat on Earth. Notice how you literally can't tell men or women apart, since that's kinda the point of power armor? Notice how everyone looks like they're going to rip your head off?
>Notice how you literally can't tell men or women apart
i dont think the armor is responsible for that so much as the horrific genetics at play in this pic
Considering the number of Poo-in-loos who fanboy over Elon, wouldn't be surprising if his Mars fiefdom ends up being populated primarily by Indian subcontinent serfs.
>Notice how everyone looks like they're going to rip your head off?
the guy looks affable enough, it's just the female police officer effect where women are too weak to not go full throttle in any confrontation
The expanse is weird about it’s war as well since ships basically are 1 shot machines and the biggest threat by the end was a space terrorist who realized that you can just throw asteroids at people and win
read the books bro
>and the biggest threat by the end was a space terrorist who realized that you can just throw asteroids at people and win
The whole point was that he was a fucking retard who would have made the entire human race extinct before admitting he had no idea what he was doing
What annoys me about modern casting like this isn't necessarily sex or ancestry being shoehorned or played up, it's the way this culture seems to have affected either the way actors act or the acting ability of who they hire.
In particular, it seems disproportionate that "diversity hiring" makes actors who can't convincingly make any face other than "smug actor face". Maybe the decline is coming from behind the camera, in that directors are lower quality and can't get performances out of the actors that don't have that ironic "letting you know I'm acting" quality to them, for whatever reason.
Avery Brooks is a black man who can act. Nichelle Nichols was a black woman who could act. it's 50% hiring for the sake of diversity, 25% nepotism, and 25% not hiring theater trained actors. "intersectional" diversity - aka playing the oppression olympics - makes it even worse because of how severely it cripples your pool of potential actors.
Trek main actors were theater trained, they weren't just hiring newbies with only TV acting experience - at least before the abomination that is Discovery. oh, and Trek has a history of very deeply involving everyone in the writing process, especially the actors, and i'd argue its history of excellent character work is proof that the best results come from allowing the actors themselves to become invested in the world and characters and not some isolated writers room echo chamber full of inflexible ideologues mistaking their soapbox diatribes they shove into the characters' mouths for character depth.
Actually, even back to George Takei, Trek has had lots of really good non-white actors. I definitely think the "not hiring from the stage" thing is a larger percentage of the problem.
Also, the dialogue in new Trek is too naturalistic. Trek characters shouldn't curse (beyond a "damn" here and there) and shouldn't hem and haw like a 21st century person. Not outside of a throwaway scene where Data is being autistic and everyone is smoroning.
>Actually, even back to George Takei
In fairness Sulu didn't do all that much in the series. A way to maybe tell someone from the tv series from one that's seen just the movies is they think Sulu is more important. But the way to DEFINITELY tell they've just seen the movies is they think Chekov is more important.
>Avery Brooks is a black man who can act. Nichelle Nichols was a black woman who could act.
That's not diversity, that's just inclusion. The goal with inclusivity is that you want to show minorities, especially kids, is that you can be a doctor, engineer, lawyer, someone who can be successful. There is more to your life than trying to entertain white people to make money.
It makes a huge impact on a kid's life to see people who look like them excel in certain fields. The problem stems from people on social media complaining about shows not having a trans-queer faekin and then crying about media companies not acquiescing to their demands. This ruins fucking everything and people begin associate negative ideas with inclusivity and diversity.
Bobbi is Polynesian in the books. They cast her correctly. The only knock on The Expanse is the way they killed Alex because he couldn't poo in the loo.
>Maybe the decline is coming from behind the camera, in that directors are lower quality and can't get performances out of the actors that don't have that ironic "letting you know I'm acting" quality to them, for whatever reason.
It's not even that. There's nothing wrong with art, there's more quality art out there than ever before because the tools for making it are getting cheaper and cheaper. The problem that's happening with TV and movies is the same problem that happened to music. Music in every genre has become more fragmented and niche and "complex" with one exception - pop music, which is more homogeneous and "simplistic" than ever. This isn't a bad thing per se. The point of pop music is to have mass market appeal, and almost everyone who listens to pop music also listens to some other collection of their actual favourite niche genres. It's just an example of society becoming ever better at optimising for X.
Movies and TV move more slowly for obvious reasons but it's the same effect. Budgets are going up, the amount being invested into the programs is higher and higher, and so the appetite for risk is going down at the same time as understanding of the mass market goes up. That's why every popular show you watch has the same plot, the same characters, and usually even the same actors.
If you go outside the mass market stuff and look in the niches there's good shit being made but anything which is big budget and "trying" to be popular will always be derivative and merely adequate because that's the optimal strategy for mass market products. Always has been. The difference is that because TV and movies are so expensive to make it's really hard for anyone to fill out the niches. But it does happen.
I thought what happened to music was what Frank Zappa said about the industry: the artists took over and think they know better about what people like than the people do
I remember back during the oldtrek era, it was common for the main actors to direct episodes of the shows they acted in and sometimes some of the others. Avery Brooks for instance directed Far Beyond the Stars, and if we're being honest I don't think anyone else COULD have directed that episode. LeVar Burton directed a lot of TNG/DS9 episodes I really like, like the DS9 episode where Worf was accused of blowing up that Klingon civilian ship during the battle between Klingons and Cardassians.
They don't do that with nuTrek afaik, they don't let the actors direct anymore and it's a shame because they each had kind of a signature style of directing.
>it was common for the main actors to direct
It was common because the showrunners didn't care and the actors were cheap.
Star Trek used to be a little community on the Paramount lot.
You're not wrong but it also meant they got experience outside of just acting.
That was less common than you think. Nimoy, Shatner, Stewart, Burton, Dorn, McFadden, Frakes, Brooks, Siddig, Robinson, Auberjonois, Dawson, McNeill, Picardo, and Russ are the only ones who directed.
>3 Martian marines are shown
>oh wow 2 of them are MUH STRONG WYMEN
why do people keep shilling this shit past the first season.
bro it’s power armor
Hell I bet you could put anyone in a suit capable of vacuum combat and they’ll be a good soldier
Then whats the fucking point of puting a person in the armor if its that fucking awesome? make it a fucking robot.
Oh wait Power armor enhances the strength of the individual wearing it, so in reality its going to be a fucking dude wearing it and not a woman.
>Then whats the fucking point of puting a person in the armor if its that fucking awesome? make it a fucking robot.
On-site human intelligence
Resistant to technological interference (of some types)
Hearts and Minds
Still operates when suit deactivates, human just dismounts
>enhances your strength
Only in the same way your car makes you punch harder. It's not a multiplier. The pilot's strength is not an appreciable part of the equation.
>On-site human intelligence
Then you'd only use men.
Because it was better after Amazon picked it up. Too bad they still have three books left and nobody wants to do them.
>who have trained with combat drugs
cute.. *snorts chemical cocktail from pharmacope*.. where were you when the nukes dropped?
>the eugenics wars soldier has tiny ERA pindot armor
I don't think that's what they were going for but it is funny
I think they were going for something like thermal dissipation, but it's a funny thought.
Given the thickly padded look, I assumed it was shear thickening fluid with an outer layer of carbide scales.
After the Iraq war I thought this type of armor may be standard in the future cause it looks so bomb squad. Best way to survive an IED is in a bomb squad suit.
I don't think bomb squad suits are covered in tiny bombs
>Brag about training under normal gravity for Earth
>All Earthers are hulks on Mars
It is really funny to think about
Why send people when you could build drones and observe the ground from a holodeck? Its seems wasteful and stupid to send in people
You'd have to be a real man to understand.
I doubt you are to. Post pictures of your nuts to prove your a real man.
>get shot by three rounds of 10mm
lmao so long space trannies
Bruh, I would still AOC.
Like in a heartbeat.
It's the hair, she looks so much better when it's not tied up.
I wasn't even talking about looks. If all things are equal, I'd rather be around a woman who can talk in-depth about issues of government than someone who wants to talk about reality TV.
>I wasn't even talking about looks. If all things are equal, I'd rather be around a woman who can talk in-depth about issues of government than someone who wants to talk about reality TV.
yeah got your ass moron
I'm too old to care about what makes zoomers cringe
You're too gunless for anyone to care about you at all.
You also have shit taste
are you retarded anon? she's literally just a waitress who had the "right" politics and skin color to market to idiots who believe everything is racist. there isn't much going on upstairs with that one
I respectfully disagree. I think too many people think of her as some sort of symbol, but time and again I've noticed she seems to be one of the few politicians to put thought and effort into their questions and proposals.
I don't agree with everything she's done, but I also don't think she's one of the empty suits on Capitol Hill waiting for their turn to bluster in front of a camera like a gibbering fool.
To each their own.
She's over thirty, disgusting.
I mean so am I
I'm almost 40.
Anon, millenials are getting old.
Their uniforms allow them to act diplomatic, but their phasers allow them to easily vaporize everyone in that photo.
Finally, so many replies but someone gets it. One plasma torpedo could probably obliterate Phoebe station.
The inescapable fact is that the power level of Star Trek weapons, like every sci fi setting, is about as consistent and reliable as a friend you made at a methadone clinic.
They made the big phaser because in the mind of that design guy, phasers don't vaporize people, they just blow a little burn hole in you, and the bigger gun = blow somewhat bigger hole in you.
Yes anon, but the point of Star Trek isn't the technology, it's the message. If you're a retarded modern day right winger who can't look at anything critically without seeing garden gnomes or diversity hires of course you're going to get the wrong message. I brought up the Expanse because it's a valid example of what an away team in sci fi looks like if you have somewhat reasonable tech. Half of the morons here looked at a Polynesian woman (btw very good actor and her character, although annoying for the first few episodes of the series, turns out to be pretty good) and compared her to an American cop (ie Mexican) or a black woman.
The tech of Star Trek isn't reasonable. That's the point. It's about the setting, the dialogue and the diplomacy on show.
moron I dont give a shit about the message I'm just talking about the effects of the guns, post your gun you raiding gay.
Eat a snickers or something dude, you are starting to talk like a fag. This thread is comfy af
>Anon says something about weapons not doing the same thing on camera all the time to anons talking about fake sci fi stats
>STOP BEING RIGHT WING STOP IT STOP IT IT'S NOT THE garden gnomeS REEEEEEE
What in the fuck kind of a reaction is that.
Starfleet superiority complex. The main reason why I disliked this show and the francise in general.
You're an idiot.
>Starfleet superiority complex.
have you seen whats going on in mirror universe?
Extreme naivety and optimism.
I'm sure there some dumb canon some where that will say it because star fleet is peaceful and shit, only becoming super militarized in DS9 (in which you actually see starfleet infantry).
I don't recall off the top of my head in earlier shows, but in Voyager at least, they do wear space suits in certain situations. And Janeway is too much of a coffee addict to go on away missions (generally).
Then you have the MACO dudes in enterprise, and the hazard team in the games.
>super militarized in DS9 (in which you actually see starfleet infantry)
But didn't Starfleet infantry in DS9 still just wear standard uniforms? Not even camouflage or helmets.
Don't tell me they didn't have the budget for some dedicated combat uniforms when the plot is a full scale quadrant wide war.
I recall it being different, but going through screen shots real quick, I guess that was the case aside from one dude just wearing a t shirt.
we get like one look at a dude in a flak jacket, but I believe the intent is that Security Division are deployed as infantry with appropriate combat gear during a "legal" war. I think O'Brien mentions stuff about it with the Cardassian War.
Starfleet is like NOAA and the Coast Guard combined.
They go to war, but it's not their primary mission until it is.
Tradition, the uniform dates back to stardate 47634.44.
4 and 5 rows of ribbons and no short tour mutherfuckers.
>No AAM or ARCOM but an MSM and DMSM
must be an officer
They're AF badges not army. AF have their own versions. And space force managed to take all the worst qualities of AF
Why does the US military continue to seek out the most aggressively ugly morons possible for photo ops?
Humiliation ritual for the west. You WILL look at the ugly thing, you MUST look at the ugly thing, the ugly thing has POWER OVER YOU.
What an interactive looking woman is it a bad angle bets shes got a nice body I guess
because literally every single facet of star trek top to bottom is pants-shittingly-retarted duct-tape-over-60s-pulp. it's like war of the worlds having universe traversing world conquering aliens who have no cold medicine. it stopped being excusable 50+ years ago.
You just send drones
Really a lot of the problems in TNG could of have been solved by sending in a drone first.
It's canon that humans of the era realize this, but believe the danger worth it to physically be present. It's not talked about in show hut apparently drones and sensors are used off screen all the time unless time constraints don't allow it.
>It's canon that humans of the era realize this
No they don't. Drones during 60s are primitive and useless, hell these primitive humans larping as futurists didn't even heard about VR. It's all you need to know about trackies.
They use drones and probes all the time. Wtf are you gays talking about.
> universe traversing world conquering aliens
War of the Worlds aliens were from mars. Earth was their first attack, not the last in an endless line of conquests in a ten million year war.
Fuck you, it's just a show. And H.G.Wells was ahead of his time. You look back with 20/20 hindsight, yet you create nothing. Fuck off.
Why does Anon believe he has the right to question Starfleet's authority on such matters? Anon, report to the bridge at once.
Why did the original series send the captain, the first officer, and the chief medical officer to the surface of unknown planets with potentially (and frequently) hostile cultures?
Same reason they used old cowboy film sets with fake rocks - smaller cast, lower production cost.
Because they larp as Navy. Only they mismatched times. So instead of copying Age of Discovery they copy 1960. What are captain and first mate doing when ship hits port? They go to make "discovery" in the port bar!
As opposed to the first officer, second officer, chief medical officer, chief engineer, and chief tactical officer like in OP's picrel?
Unlike the real world, rank is equal to core job proficiency in Trek all the way up to Captain (admiralty seems to dull the wits somewhat). As such, the best personnel for resolving the week's critical incident also happen to be the highest ranked.
It's a picture of Luke and Bigger Luke.
Looks like a weapon model from Quake.
Mortar round with handles ??
Two handed and sights. It's for aiming at distances beyond personal defence that the standard phaser is for.
And then the movies replaced it with this
O think having a weapon small and light makes more sense then having something that large. Imagine a handgun sized weapon that could do what a rifle sized weapon could do. Having something large like that seems pointless
Because they often go on research and diplomatic missions, not fucking low drag high speed tacticool raids. Real question would be why they send their second in command, chief medical officer and security chief on dangerous away missions.
Also O'Brien is a psychopath that's killed thousands.
You best not be talking shit about Miles "ain't a party 'til I start killin' Cardies" O'Brien.
Voyager introduced the concept of the Hazard Team, which was basically Starfleet SWAT, and that was pretty great.
But others have it right: the energy output of individual weapons completely overwhelms man-portable defence in Trek, with a few exceptions (Borg drone shields, rare personal deflector technology). As such, uniforms are much more about comfort and diplomatic display.
2. These are scientific explorer teams, not military units. Star Fleet has space marines and fighters and war ships, but they've never been a focus of any of the shows and in universe are a fairly small part of the fleet as the federation really isn't militant.
3. This has fuck all to do with PrepHole
Outside of the Scimitar there isn't really such a thing as fighter ships in Star Trek for the simple reason that the phasers/disruptors of anything bigger would vaporize them in one shot so it's a waste of resources. The closest thing is a BoP and that's explicitly supposed to be like a submarine, not a plane.
They had fighters in DS9.
There is an episode of TNG were I believe Wesley comes back from the academy after his Fighter Squadron fucked up a stunt flight or some shit.
But Fighters, as dumb as it may be, are indeed a thing. It's fiction written by hundreds of different people anon, there are going to be inconsistencies.
I recall that episode, but I thought they were flying trainer spacecraft at the Academy, not fighters. Generic small fighters appeared several times in DS9 though like
mentioned. It's no stretch to call the Defiant a warship either. There was also the "Tactical Flyer" fighter in Discovery.
>I thought they were flying trainer spacecraft at the Academy, not fighters.
About the only thing I recall about that episode is they referred to them as Fighters. It stood out to me.
No. Pic related is a Maquis Raider frigate. They look a lot alike, but no one piece of the ship is exactly like the other really. In particular notice the fighters have what looks like a small cockpit, the engines are half the fucking ship, and it has those shuttle type nacelles on either side of the fuselage.
Let's be fair, if we had that kind of construction tech we absolutely would build things that way too, it's so much easier. The real question is why the fuck did no one think to install seat belts until the Dominion War?
Phasers are dangerous enough that armor doesn't really matter anymore. Even the weaker ones in the TOS era fucking vaporized people at a high enough setting. Nothing short of deflector shields can really stop a phaser.
It helps to understand that starfleet officers are all thrill seeking adventurers that weren't satisfied with the infinite possibilities at the holodecks back on earth. Every mission could probably be done autonomously by the ships computers but the humans want to tag along for the ride because exploring the stars is cool.
That’s what it is has become retroactively.
You virgins don't deserve to share the same board with a veteran like myself.
You'd place a low value on human life, too, if your daily commute involved being atomized and replaced by a duplicate constructed wherever you were going.
I mean, are you conscious going from sleep-->awake? Black out drunk to awake? Provided your memories are exactly the same they may think nothing of it at all. How would you know if you were replacing a person who had your same exact organs and memories?
>This meme again
Transporters aren't replicators. The clue is in the name you FREAK.
Wasn't there an episode where Riker accidentally got cloned because his matter stream refracted off an ion cloud or something?
Reminder that TNG confirms the existence of the Soul and some people are even able to remain conscious during transport.
it's like everyone forgets that Barclay is actively conscious and able to move during transport and we watch it happen
or maybe they never actually watched the show and are just whining about what they think transporters do
>suddenly realize Picard is nowhere to be seen or heard of to speak of even during the Dominion war
Where was he? It seems like such a prominant captain and ship would be among the ships on the front lines.
>In early 2374, the Enterprise saw extensive action along the front-line in the Dominion War.
>Where was he?
Making diplomatic missions to get more allies on their side during the war effort, that was literally the whole plot of Insurrection
Starfleet had personal shields on the old cartoons that were able to protect its user from fire and bad atmosphere, so why not use shoes and cool clothes?.
just beam your keys into your hand when you need them
what do you get from overanalyzing star trek
Unlike Star Wars which relied on action, the almost-nonexistent budget of Trek until relatively recently meant a lot of standing around and talking which meant sometimes having really intelligent dialog. Which means there's actually something to examine there.
its one of the palatable TV shows
what do you get by using a trip on an anonymous imageboard
clout for being the biggest retard on the website
You don’t need a trip for that
t. a bigger retard than you’ll ever be
For me, it's O'Brien.
>Sure I killed them
Chief.. the war ended 20 years ago..
>spill spaghetti in family home
>storm off to cargo hold full of volatile crates
>decide to an hero
>deliberately set phaser to 16, intend to take the promenade with you when the crates go up
Kek I never thought about that but yeah, based O'Brian
he didn't want to risk the next chief of operations having to put up with fixing quark's pleasure rooms when Cardassian Babes with Cardassian Gapes causes the whole line of holo-suites to go haywire
All the other kids with their gold-pressed kicks
Better run, better run
Away from the hull
All the other kids with their gold-pressed kicks
Better run, better run
Back to seal the bulkheads
>Why do people working with the most potential energy and fastest operational tempo suffer the most injuries?
Miles "Neck like a snake? It's gotta break" O'Brien
Miles "Spoon on head, shoot 'em dead" O'Brien
Miles "Kill a Cardy, get a hardy" O'Brien
man, it's funny how many of my favorite episodes involve that sad sack of potatoes, especially ds9
i've really gotta rewatch everything sometime
>the minstrel boy to the war has gone
>I'm not going to win this one, am I chief?
>the episode where they make a perfect clone of O'Brien with a hidden killphrase to make him go nuts and kill someone
>but they made the clone too perfect and instead the clone keeps believing it's the original and trying to figure out what's wrong with everyone around him right to the end and the clone's dying breath is telling them to tell his wife he loves her
>His best friend is a genetic abomination, a living embodiment of the Federation's core taboo
>O'Brien just makes him stand further back on darts night
Humanity's shining beacon
I know. I know, nu Trek, but this was a nice joke to end an episode on.
>Six episode miniseries
>Academy training ship on a routine patrol of some incredibly safe backwater encounters hostiles and is attacked.
>All but one senior officer dead, cadets and their surviving instructor must join a ragtag defense of the sector as starfleet scrambles to respond to the threat.
>Thankfully, these young officers are now under the command of a seasoned starfleet veteran
>Colm Meany stars in : O'Brien
Also everyone is a competent (young) adult naval officer who mostly solve problems by talking about them, regardless of general stress level. Ain't no one throwing screaming fits or doing idiot teenager shit because of their feelings.
Make Star Trek Kind Of Boring Again
Aw fuck it is just prodigy. Shit.
>His best friend is a genetic abomination
Alex Siddig hated that reveal because it was written in basically at the last minute and if he knew Bashir was going to be revealed to be an Augment, he would've played the character differently. Though funnily when you rewatch it knowing that twist, there a ton of moments where it seems like Bashir is holding back his genius or physical prowess just so he can appear "normal". Like in Trials and Tribble-ations where he easily takes down a Klingon and then looks like he's faking that he hurt his shoulder to do it.
Yeah it could've been done better, but it gave his character a lot to do.
It's a case of backloaded vs frontloaded storytelling. Babylon 5 was frontloaded, Straczynski had everything planned out day 1 from how the plot would go. DS9 by contrast was backloaded, they were making it up as they went and basically looked at previously established plot points and said "how can we expand on this?"
B5 is overrated as fuck. Londo and G'Kar are the only good parts of that show. Maybe Sheridan.
My point was just that there's different ways of writing a serialized show, and for as much as DS9 and B5 were compared, they were written in opposite ways.
I get you, I just wanted to get that off my chest.
It's why DS9 up until the S2 finale has a very "what the fuck is this show even supposed to be" feeling because they hadn't quite realized yet that they didn't HAVE to be another TNG which is why there were so many "alien of the week" episodes.
That song might be my favorite scene in all of Trek.
Every season must have an "O'Brien must suffer" episode because he's the working-class everyman the audience can relate to so you're more empathetic to his suffering compared to say Bashir who is kind of a twat even if he eventually grows a heart of gold.
yeah but even the non-suffering episodes are good
yes, i even like bashir and o'brien buddy cop episodes
>Tfw ywn spend all evening shooting down Jerries with your bro in the holosuites
Bashir is arrogant af but his relationships with the best characters Garak and O'Brien make him good in my book.
>mfw I found out they wanted to do at least 3 more Bashir/Garak Bond parody episodes but the British film studio that owns the 007 franchise stepped in and said "nah, you can't make any more"
God, why do some people in this world just hate FUN? Bashir and Garak's banter was on point that episode
It was MGM and we don't know what the actual legal terms of what went down but the gist of what most surmise is Paramount paid a fine and promised to never do this again.
>not fulfilling the letter of the agreement and having the Bashir/Garak spy episodes parody other superspy franchises
The Vic Fontaine casino job episode is 75% of the way to a Mission Impossible episode already.
He's just a really good actor. That's how he basically turned an incredibly minor role into a major part over the course of twelve years.
Writers love to write for good actors; that's why Brent Spiner and Patrick Stewart got all the love in TNG.
MACOs were based, but having a dedicate marine force stationed on diplomatic and exploratory vessels would have pissed Roddenberry off
Reminder: Roddenberry was high as a kite starting in the late 70s.
Also why do they keep sending the main officers it's just dumb they should have had a special team trained for diplomatically meeting the aliens, people with language skills and have a security team for them. I think a lot of lives would have been saved and lot of embarking situations been avoided. Better yet why not send droids or just been holographic images down there.
Well the obvious answer is for the sake of giving the main actors more screen time and not just having them stand in front of the bridge's viewscreen during negotiations, but in the case of Picard he is the Federation's highest representative.
Also, more often than not when they're doing diplomacy/negotiation in person they don't beam down, the other party comes and they talk in the Enterprise's conference room
My understanding was that phasers could penetrate virtually any material known to man, making body armor a redundant concept.
They can as long as you set it high enough. Only deflector shields can actually stop a phaser.
And the various forms of cover people hide behind regularly. You'd think if your life was in danger you'd turn up the juice 1%
Dont try to pretend star trek is consistent.
This isn't so inconsistent. Shooting large objects seems to heat them all the way across in an inefficient (for combat) manner. We don't often see a shoot-through effect. Sheer mass can be an obstacle. At lower power, you'd spend crucial time disintegrating a piece of cover and the enemy could pop out and shoot you. At higher power, you might get fratricide or breach your own hull or what have you.
Why is being an engineer, assuming you aren't Chief Engineer, such a fucking death magnet? It's not being a redshirt that gets you killed, it's being connected to engineering, red and gold switching their uniform colors didn't change that.
I'd pretty sure it's actually the Security part of Engineering and Security that has such a high mortality rate as they were the red TOS/gold TNG dudes too.
Feddie ships are death magnets in general and where E&S is usually stationed tends to be right at the poles of the magnet.
Nah, engies get deaths too and even the worst ones like "phasing through the fucking floor halfway and then becoming solid again" or "atomized into a trillion tiny fragments and lost in the transporter beam forever."
>tfw real life turns into a Bethesda game and you glitch through the floor
Man that episode scared the shit out of me as a kid.
what's the webm from?
legit made me afraid of the fucking floor for a week
and i'll never forgive CBS for it
robbed us of the fucking Federation-Romulan war, the bastards
transparency and nonagressive visuals
The Enterprise D was a star liner with torpedoes and phasers. Imagine dressing the staff of a Disney cruise in military gear
I haven’t been on a Disney Cruise since 2004, but I’m pretty sure most of the waitstaff participated in one Balkan atrocity or another.
Enterprise was fucking PrepHoleino and I'm tired of pretending it was a bad show.
A bad Star Trek maybe, but not a bad show. It made fucking sense that there should be a special forces team trained in all manners of combat that accompanies your starships across the galaxy. ESPECIALLY on away missions. Imagine having a Captain beam down to a planet with a couple of ensigns that only have a few weak concealed phasers. That logic was so stupid in all the Star Trek series.
Enterprise's problem was it started off pretty bad, then it got worse, then it finally started to get really good...and was cancelled
>Enterprise was fucking PrepHoleino and I'm tired of pretending it was a bad show.
It was really bad up front and people were sick of Star Trek.
Rick Berman begged to have a few years off so they could give people a breather, but Paramount needed a flagship show to carry the dying UPN.
God I want to make sweet tender love to Dr. Beverly Crusher. I want her gay son to walk in just as I'm blowing my load into her fertile womb. I'll slowly turn to him and give a wink while asking if he wants a brother or sister.
>not wanting to blow your load into prime twink 1987 Wil Wheaton for round 2
Only if it would somehow alter the timeline to create a future where he isn't the man he is now.
Every man watching TNG wanted to fuck Gates McFadden, at least say something controversial here anon.
McFadden never did it for me and Sirtis only started once she hit MILF.
For me it was when Troi actually wore her blue uniform, I thought she was hotter in that than in any of her jumpsuits
Greek chicks, man.
Miss the days when they had attractive women on tv now its awful. Why is usa like this, theres a some what correlation on a civiisation/country the better the movie tv show film the better th country is doing, once it starts to be shit the country is going to hell. Right now american cinema and films suck and usa is going to hell
You say that but movies are still filled with beautiful people because hollywood if no one else seems to understand that people want to look at attractive people on the screen.
shirley jones and lizzo twerking.jpg
You only have one chance to make a good first impression.
Data's uniform clearly has one
>and a thin layer of cloth for uniform
You got to let your skin breathe.
>Data's uniform clearly has one
It's literally a belt he's wearing
>an entire episode about communicating in memes
Fuck me Star Trek was so good.
Putin, his army scattered
Napoleon at Moscow
Lavrov, his arms wide
One of my favorite experiences was going into Darmok blind and figuring out the deal with the analogical speaking style at almost the same second Picard does. I don't know if they had a bunch of people watch the proto reel and cut the episode to length to line up perfectly with the average or what but damn was it neat.
No it's definitely intentional as the Enterprise crew figures it out around the same time Picard does.
also. they can just use tele for instant orbital bombing.
star trek saved my netflix subscription
And then they took the shows off it. People wonder why piracy has gone up in the last few years but it's not a surprise that people were ok with paying 15 bucks a month for access to EVERYTHING, instead of every goddamn studio out there trying to make their content exclusive to their version of Netflix that they all expect you to pay 15 a month for.
To manufactured triumph!
I just want to say that I really appreciate this image.
>Odo being a stickler for the rules to the point that it actively hampered the Niners
>got hollywood's biggest baseball coach to make sure they got everything right
>they got actual minor league baseball players to play the Vulcans so it looked convincing that the Niners were getting shitstomped even though most of the DS9 cast had at least some experience playing in their lives
>Rom's actor was a semi-pro baseball player before becoming an actor and literally couldn't convincingly look like Rom was bad at the game without using his off hand
>aired the same week as the world series
God I fucking love that episode