Why does it cause so much seething?

Why does it cause so much seething?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it is, objectively, ugly as sin

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's substandard shit that morons try to shill "just as good".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >substandard
      >is literally 90% the quality and 150% the capability of the vert best optic brands on earth and not on the same planet as the shittiest chink brands
      whats it like to be actually moronic?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        +5 to your social credit score.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is it's not like the US brands are like 30% more or something with the same exact performance. That would have a good argument for itself. It's costing at least twice to even four times the price for marginally better performance at best to outright worse performance quite frequently.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      right, just how the Grease Gun was just as good cope for the thompson or the AK was the just as good cope for the SVT 40

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't wait to see it stacked on top of a big ass unity riser for the obligatory "muh passive aiming under nods".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh passive aiming under nods
      >passive aiming
      >on an LCD screen

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who takes the optic stock image bait for the THIRD time in 1 day ITT deserves to have 10 generations punished for it.

    >jokes on u imma incel juejue
    I will dig up your ancestors' remains and perform voodoo magick with them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a very simple question anon, and your reaction is proving why it needs to be asked?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't seen or heard anyone talk about this thing. At all. It's goofy but I don't mind it. Who cares?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You want an example of why?
    Sell your soul for a buck.
    https://www.vermilionchina.com/p/unwitting-americans-support-the-chinese

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That blog post comes off as a lot of impotent State Department seething. Anyone who shops at Walmart is also supporting China. US companies that claim they can't innovate or compete because they aren't "subsidized" like the Chinese companies is a load of hogwash seeing as how they get billions of US taxpayer dollars every year in addition to tons of foreign contracts from overseas military and law enforcement groups. US companies could easily sell their products cheaper on the consumer market, but they don't, because then they couldn't gouge the government as much. As long as China keeps making cheap optics and white wiener-hungry loose women then they're based in my book.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They've already sold your soul anon. They did it decades ago.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so israelites and anglos sell the whole industrial base to china for a quick buck, everyone gets poorer as a result, but when the Chinese produce decent quality products I'm supposed to avoid it and get angry at the small eyed yellow men and not buy the good quality not price-raped product. Ok homosexual

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From what I've heard there are thermal scopes that out perform it at a lower cost but my lack of experience in anything thermal and nvg prevent me from fact checking that statement.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There aren't. The Holosun had a red dot inside it. So if the thermal fails or you run out of batteries you still have a red dot. No one else has this. Not even the vastly more capable western thermals.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Israel has it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a pass through image, an overlay which to my knowledge is a new feature.
      Holosun is feature rich and innovative at half the cost of US made products.
      Supposedly they're not as durable. I don't know but whatever else they are or aren't, they're made in China.

      Holosun = supporting China's ability to manufacture higher end small arms.
      This isn't something we should be doing, especially at the detriment of our own economy.

      If you can't afford American made, or don't like the product you get for the price, which is fair enough, then at least buy from our allies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you can't afford American made, or don't like the product you get for the price, which is fair enough, then at least buy from our allies.
        i will now buy holosun

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You do you but there's lots of budget optics with Japanese parts that are assembled in the Philippines and sold in America. This includes some of the Vortex options and most of the Burris optics. I would take those over made in China stuff any day of the week but generally, I shell out for made in America.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You do you but there's lots of budget optics with Japanese parts that are assembled in the Philippines and sold in America. This includes some of the Vortex options and most of the Burris optics. I would take those over made in China stuff any day of the week but generally, I shell out for made in America.

        It's pretty hard to justify ponnying up the money for the thing stamped made in USA when I know it's getting made by brown third world invaders anyways.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But I want American to be genuinely competitive and innovative. I unironically also think it's bad at a strategic level if "Buy American" is like "Buy Soviet", something someone is urged to do out of pure feeling and tribal pride vs "this is high quality". It's not a matter of cost, I can afford to drop an extra 25-75% no problem. And I'm flat out willing to pay some premium for American for "the same product", assuming it comes with somewhat better support say.

          But a lot of the American producers have become lazy greedy gays. I don't want to pay a premium for the same product they were making 5-10 years ago and are still selling entirely unchanged, long after all R&D and capital expenditures have been depreciated.

          I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. However, consider that there are multiple private American companies that compete against each other and there are foreign manufactured devices that don't come from our adversaries. I'm 100% okay with buying from our allies, particularly if their American owned companies.
          I agree with you though, it's hard when you can get a more feature rich product that's going to serve you as reliably for sometimes 1/3rd the cost. Posted picture related a while ago.
          The primary arms slx3 is great but it always bothered me that it was made in China. So, I got an ACOG. Is the ACOG better? Yes, a little. Is it enough better on it's own merits to justify the price difference? Frick no, no where near it. For me, I still bought it and I'm happier with it. I got rid of the PA.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It would be a lot easier if the US makers didn't inflate their prices that extra bit because frick you. And I say that as a multiple Trijicon, Eotech and Aimpoint owner. Acogs are nice. And the best readily available prism on the market even after all these years. But its over priced by about $300. And Trijicon has no intention of lowering the price because frick you the military buys them so they don't have to. Commercial sales are an afterthought. Maybe PA will make a Plx prism some day and dethrone it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/ZzvosLb.jpg

              [...]
              I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. However, consider that there are multiple private American companies that compete against each other and there are foreign manufactured devices that don't come from our adversaries. I'm 100% okay with buying from our allies, particularly if their American owned companies.
              I agree with you though, it's hard when you can get a more feature rich product that's going to serve you as reliably for sometimes 1/3rd the cost. Posted picture related a while ago.
              The primary arms slx3 is great but it always bothered me that it was made in China. So, I got an ACOG. Is the ACOG better? Yes, a little. Is it enough better on it's own merits to justify the price difference? Frick no, no where near it. For me, I still bought it and I'm happier with it. I got rid of the PA.

              yep, if these u.s companies had a braincell working they'd lower the price on their 20+ year old designs and have much larger market adoption. It's really that simple

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Arguably Sig is doing one thing right by trying to do automated manufacturing inside the US. That will likely be the ultimate solution to the Shaniqua and Cletus getting 40 dollars an hour to put together your Trijicon problem.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sig's red dots components are from the same factory as Holosun's

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But I want American to be genuinely competitive and innovative. I unironically also think it's bad at a strategic level if "Buy American" is like "Buy Soviet", something someone is urged to do out of pure feeling and tribal pride vs "this is high quality". It's not a matter of cost, I can afford to drop an extra 25-75% no problem. And I'm flat out willing to pay some premium for American for "the same product", assuming it comes with somewhat better support say.

        But a lot of the American producers have become lazy greedy gays. I don't want to pay a premium for the same product they were making 5-10 years ago and are still selling entirely unchanged, long after all R&D and capital expenditures have been depreciated.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        US companies rest on their laurels. I'll buy China without a second thought until US companies start innovating again and their products actually live up to their inflated prices.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And

          https://i.imgur.com/4dzCJgH.gif

          That blog post comes off as a lot of impotent State Department seething. Anyone who shops at Walmart is also supporting China. US companies that claim they can't innovate or compete because they aren't "subsidized" like the Chinese companies is a load of hogwash seeing as how they get billions of US taxpayer dollars every year in addition to tons of foreign contracts from overseas military and law enforcement groups. US companies could easily sell their products cheaper on the consumer market, but they don't, because then they couldn't gouge the government as much. As long as China keeps making cheap optics and white wiener-hungry loose women then they're based in my book.

          US companies arent competitive for a reason. Its not the worker or the quality, but the higher tiers of management vacuuming up absolutely everything they can. I'll happily buy holosun if it forces trijicon to become worth it, but i know my little boy bux means nothing when compared to a gubment contract that you get because youve got a senators kid on the board.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Keep in mind that Trijicon, EOTech, Surefire, etc. all rested on their laurels for years, and even lied about the durability of some of their products. It was only when the cheap Chinese stuff started flooding the consumer market that they were finally forced to innovate. So yes the US products are generally "better," but a lot of the Chinese stuff is 90% there now while being a fraction of the price in addition to having more QOL features for the civilian market. Someone buying a 507k for a P365 isn't helping the PLA conquer America lmao

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Someone buying a 507k for a P365 isn't helping the PLA conquer America
              They 100% are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >goes to walmart
                >buys from amazon
                >contemplates solar panels
                If you think that my rds is going to keep chyna stronk over literally everything else, you are incomprehensively moronic

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/ZcbB2uu.jpg

                Drop in the bucket compared to all the money they make from other consumer goods and by trafficking fentanyl over the Mexican border. Now Biden is trying to prop up India as a bulwark against China despite the fact that they are also a major trafficker of fentanyl, have more slaves than any other country on earth, attempted to assassinate a US citizen, and are trying to play both sides by maintaining a good relationship with Russia.

                https://www.npr.org/2023/12/07/1217979387/why-the-biden-administration-is-so-invested-in-india
                https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/15/india-us-partnership-biden-modi-quad-assassination-plot-pannun/
                https://apnews.com/article/india-us-sikh-assassination-plot-biden-modi-116a96d1b8c797106f35293b31e089c8

                [...]
                yep, if these u.s companies had a braincell working they'd lower the price on their 20+ year old designs and have much larger market adoption. It's really that simple

                I don't care

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                Yes, I understand made in China is here, impossible to avoid but I don't want it on my weapons. I avoid it as much as I can in general.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Feel free to, just dont be surprised when holosun puts out something cheaper that is unironically just as good in the next few years

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Will their quality control improve by then or are they going to sell their optics in two packs?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                anon let me try to put some bs in perspective. I used to sell guns,optics etc. Ive had the pleasure of being able to just slap whatever optics onto a gun and frick around with em. Holosun isnt the same company it used to be and thats a good thing for the end consumer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'd believe you if the eps and eps carry didn't have quality control issues still

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Drop in the bucket compared to all the money they make from other consumer goods and by trafficking fentanyl over the Mexican border. Now Biden is trying to prop up India as a bulwark against China despite the fact that they are also a major trafficker of fentanyl, have more slaves than any other country on earth, attempted to assassinate a US citizen, and are trying to play both sides by maintaining a good relationship with Russia.

                https://www.npr.org/2023/12/07/1217979387/why-the-biden-administration-is-so-invested-in-india
                https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/15/india-us-partnership-biden-modi-quad-assassination-plot-pannun/
                https://apnews.com/article/india-us-sikh-assassination-plot-biden-modi-116a96d1b8c797106f35293b31e089c8

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://thewire.in/security/us-drone-sale-sky-guardian-pannu-killing-investigation

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >$300 optic
                >$500 gun made in us/india
                That buys rajesh a lot of sticks for hurting bugs so yes I think it more than just balances out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If that's how you feel, by Astr Defense.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Oh no not the heckin consequences of offshoring the majority of our production capacity for short-term profit because we didn't want to pay factory workers a living wage!
        Lol if they want me to buy American then they better learn how to fricking compete. The free market is a b***h, and whether they want to admit it or not, we taught the Chinese capitalism and they learned it well.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta, but the chinese market in terms of how it operates is nothing like the modern free market interpretation that America has embraced within the last 100 or so years. It is more like early model that the british came up with where the concerns of the client nation-state was placed above the corporations operating within them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            China's own domestic production policies vs the US's are irrelevant when it comes to competing on the international free market, and the fact of the matter is, China is in the position to profitably undercut these western nations because western nations spent a half centurybprioritizing policies that created that situation by offshoring production.

            And the reality of capitalism is, if that works better than what we do, then it IS better. Those are the rules of the system. I didn't write them, I just live under them. If you don't want me to pay 1/5 the price for an item that's 80-90% as good, then figure out how to be more competitive because you do not pay me enough to be making moralist arguments about my personal consumption choices.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nta, but the chinese market in terms of how it operates is nothing like the modern free market interpretation that America has embraced within the last 100 or so years. It is more like early model that the british came up with where the concerns of the client nation-state was placed above the corporations operating within them.

              And to be clear I'm not even a big holosun guy. I have an RMR on my carry gun and EOTechs on my "serious use" rifles. But I have a couple of their pistol dots and T1 knockoffs and they're literally fine, so yeah I think clutching pearls about muh CPC muh PLA because you don't want to have to compete with an industry you helped create is laughable.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have a Holosun on my carry gun and all my rifles. Idc if that makes people mad or people with less money than me call me a poorgay over it lol. American companies need to make a better product if you want me to buy American.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >concerns of the client nation-state was placed above the corporations
            Isn't this how things should be?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Within true free market ecconomic theory, yes. It was argued that corporations unhindered could move production or services abroad due to cheaper sources of labor or even advocate for increased migrant workers and how detrimental it would be for a nation state. As a result it was expected for the leashes of corporations to still be held by the state which were at the time still monarchies. What people and organisations advocate for today has little to no resemblance to what the free market was envisioned to be generations ago in Europe and would have been seen as a failure.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Within true free market ecconomic theory, yes. It was argued that corporations unhindered could move production or services abroad due to cheaper sources of labor or even advocate for increased migrant workers and how detrimental it would be for a nation state. As a result it was expected for the leashes of corporations to still be held by the state which were at the time still monarchies. What people and organisations advocate for today has little to no resemblance to what the free market was envisioned to be generations ago in Europe and would have been seen as a failure.

              But enough PrepHole bordering /misc/ talk. DRS-THs look cool even if pointless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah taking 30% of everyone's paychecks then another 10 - 20% from inflation each year isn't enough, I also need to spend my money on over priced red dots too. Frick you troonyshill.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not buying from LGBT&BLM infested cuck countries

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Becuase any form of "x vision" on a weapon that's not meant for hunting is fricking moronic.
    Get head mounted nods or thermals, or a thermal scope. A red dot thermal/night vision optic is dumb and looking to solve a "problem" (how to have shitty tiny square NV or thermal attached to a rifle) that doesn't need solving.
    Their pistol NV is even more moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why did iRay and Steiner make one first then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SWAT raids would disagree with you. Think about all the times when you'd be peering into a dark room with a red dot. You can't see anything. If you use a white light, you give away your position.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hey OP could you try making threads without baselessly stating that someone is seething? i know its an easy way to get clicks but its also morally wrong.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >asks why it causes seething
    >thread full of seethe
    Dunno what you expected

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Im glad they're around and innovating with neat stuff, instead of just making something everyone will want because the military and SWAT use it, then not make anything new for a long time. How old is the exps3 now, 10 years? Oh wow a single dot eotech came out!!1 cool aimpoint made a shittier, Slightly less expensive T2 that has blue tint and a stupid mount height, and still no shake awake or swappable reticle design, OH yeah and their acro that gets filled with moisture overnight. Based holosun drops a $900 vcsel lam while eotech keeps jacking up the price of their vaporware lam that was supposed to be $1200, and now has a thermal 1x, that will no doubt be even better next gen. Lol. Lol. Lol. Lol. Lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Plus Holosun is probably the entire reason that Aimpoint had to do the Acro P2 and Trijicon the RCR. If Holosun hadn't already made solid closed emitter optics, that never would have happened.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holoshit lams suck ass, anything less than a grey market peq is pure cope

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Laserspeed's M3/M6 way outperforms a grey market PEQ.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're just mad they won't get a visit from Ping Ping.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Not buying ping ping her fake breasts and ass filler
      >Dread having to leave your chair to claim your prize
      >Not exploding her brother and cucking her in front of her fiance and nation
      >Not creating a controversy bigger than the gfl ntr shit storm
      Couldn't be me.
      t. Holochink purchaser.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon i wish i could get a bimbo chinese gf. Whats the secret?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Chinese make a feature rich. thermal pistol optic for the hell of it
    >Eotech, Trijicon and Aimpoint can merely put a red dot on some glass

    Tell me why shake awake is a feature the MIC can't fund?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >holosun
    >company that trades on cheap, solar powered optics
    >sells a not-cheap, not-solar-powered optic
    that's why

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is it good or bad? I don't really care about anything else.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody has used it outside of trade show demo units lol

      It's probably not that great but it's a novel idea and I'd love to be pleasantly surprised

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We'll know soon, it's coming out in like two weeks.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad it exists because hopefully it'll force some actually good companies to make more consumer-grade thermals/nv. I'll never buy holosuns though purely because everything they make is insanely ugly and also I'm not poor.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Come on, guys

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Runs over her own kid, doesn't stop
      >Eats your dog.
      >Serves you insects for dinner.
      Fun fact, diabetes rates are higher in Asia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you ping ping!

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have never heard of this and have no idea what it even is beyond some kind of sight.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NVgays spent a lot of money on their arcane setups and will be forced to realize they wasted it all on outdated inconvenient tech.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      LAMO
      Spoken like a typical no NODs and no thermal moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon there's a reason no one that actually runs nvgs or thermals is actually taking that thing seriously

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >looks like g36 optic
    >minus the g36
    >its better
    >its chinese

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I kinda want it as long as it's better than the SIG thing. Maybe not as my first NVG/Thermal but I don't really to much of a difference between this and clip on thermals.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Greased Geese

    is that an unmagnified holographic sight with another one piggybacked ontop of it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why don't you do what everyone else who didn't recognize it did and Google the file name

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just ignore tripgays

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i'm not seething whatsoever.
      Sure you aren't

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm not seething whatsoever. i'm considering buying one, as well as other holosun optics because they're fine and i don't need to shell out $600 for another brand that's marginally better.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It whont look good on a riser and thats All that matters

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is that thing?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Warfare reimagined

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