Why does HIMARS get all the publicity? Tornado is definitely better than it and Uragan, Smerch and TOS-1 are comparably good rocket artillery systems.
Why does HIMARS get all the publicity? Tornado is definitely better than it and Uragan, Smerch and TOS-1 are comparably good rocket artillery systems.
Vatnik cope post, please move on
the /k/ makes a difference
Underrated
>Ukraine
>no tigers
Apologize
But does the Tiger has aids?
I think (you) need to apologize
they're not Rossiyan T-I-G-E-R-S that's for sure(
>accurate to 5 to 10km
The worst part is
I can't even tell if this is shitposting or not
It’s a shitpost but is more truthful than the stated specs. In all honesty if they claimed it was 500-1000m that wouldn’t be terrible for what they intended it for. If your bombarded a large area or a city than some dispersion isn’t the worst thing. There’s no excuse for why it couldn’t be more accurate but it would still work
You cheeky c**t
Subtlety, a rare bird in these parts.
I don't see what I'm supposed to be seeing
they slipped a k into the accuracy
so the joke is that the russian missiles can only hit a target the size of a state fair
Well the state fair was full of nazi's and needed to be denazified.
Vatniks are basically white Black folk so it's good.
himars gps duided rockets actually getting used and reliably hit their targets
8 wheels > 6 wheels
Checkmate homosexual.
Enjoy your 45-ton behemoth struggling to cross bridges that HIMARS can zip right across and being slower than a tracked vehicle like the M270.
>Tornado accurate 5-10m
Lol, lmao.
No he's right.
Within a rage of 5 to 10 meters from the TEL, they're very accurate.
No, he's lying vatBlack person.
Tornado sucking HIMAR ass.
Reread it homosexual.
You’re reading comprehension isn’t very good
Like all Russian paper specs sheets, they're bullshit add a 0 on the end of the accuracy distance and it's probably more accurate.
50-100 meters if they're lucky.
Another person who lacks reading comprehension.
>accurate 5 meters form the TEL
>not accuracy of 5m CEP
Such a good shitpost gone unappreciated. I enjoyed it anon.
because if Russians had access to such gear, they could simply copy the tactics Ukrainians have been employing as of lately
but they haven't, so they don't have access to such gear
*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~))
Glonass is more accurate than GPS in far northern hemisphere.
No it isn't moron 😀
Why are Russian lies always like this? X is clearly better than Y, the vatnik: "Actually Y is better if Z applies (it isn't)".
You're the fricking moron, I'm guessing muh Russians took over Wikipedia from troony shills like you?
to be fair, when talking military equipment, the signal those HIMARS are using are likely the super sekret ultra precision GPS signal, just like I imagine the slavs copied so the true accuracy of these systems is probably unknown.
The source for that is bbc article from 10+ years ago... and its just a quote from russian official
>"We now use a two-signal receiver that supports both GPS and Glonass. For instance, in the northern latitudes getting a GPS signal is problematic - we therefore use the Russian system," Anatoly Perminov, the chief of Roscosmos, said in an exclusive interview with BBC News
Other source is some book by whatever irish author about "rebirth" of russian space program from 2007
>...primary degree in History and Political Science from Dublin University (Trinity College) and a MA in economic and social history from University College Dublin...
I guess thats its hato-bros, glonass is just better in the north
>WAAAHHHH TRANNIESSS
And the vatBlack person reveals himself as he always does. Can't help it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS
Read first and fourth paragraphs, then apologize for your insults. It's just your ignorance speaking, after all.
The Spec Pooster has joined the chat.
again, this is based on a theoretical model of the shape of the earth though. ideally one would use both to exploit their different orbitals, but for military application, that's moronic as frick given all these spook systems have some cryptographically encrypted subchannel that gives much more precise information to the point that these subtleties matter little, assuming they map well.
Yes, our military GPS is more accurate than civilian, and they can "shift" it for civilian devices.
American, retired USMC. Don't like legit technical info and evidence on a weapons board? Go shill somewhere else. Super organic.
>American, retired USMC
from ohio oblast
>seething over "discord trannies"
You realise /misc/ has a discord, that they use to coordinate posting and it's also populated with large numbers of troons, right?
Some schizo been seething because some meming "NAFO" discord has discords rules as its rules so it doesn't get banned, and like 2 of them talked about raiding /chug/.
Since open invite servers with no rules and Black person spam end up deleted in hours usually, most server owners either private that shit, or have rules just like discords.
Some /misc/Black person schizoid keeps spamming the posts of some random open discord so hard and saying LOOK LOOK GLOWBlack folk ARE PRO UKRAINE SPAMMERS, and linking open fricking discord server where literally anyone can post.
They spammed it so hard even the mods started deleting the threads lmao. /chug/gers have been desperately trying to narrative control over there, claiming even the mods are in on it. Completely insane moronation.
i've suspected NAFO was a psyop for a while but triggering poltards makes me approve. tax dollars well spent.
>American, retired USMC.
Sure thing, fellow "American". From which Oblast?
>American, retired USMC.
No you aren’t. You are too grammatically correct for a marine
>I was a marine from Ohio oblast therefore I'm qualified to speak about GPS
frick off homosexual and say you're from the space force next time.
picrel, kys
>Malyshev Factory, Kharkiv, Ukraine
"Finished tanks were assembled in several plants, but Soviet industrial planning prevented any region from being able to establish independent arms production. Components and sub-assemblies were produced in different factories, the Malyshev Factory specializing in engines and transmissions."
>In parallel with the T-80U and Russia in general, the Morozov Bureau in Ukraine developed a diesel-powered version, the T-80UD
b-but that doesn't count because Soviets didn't allow all parts to be created in one place, therefore all Soviet tanks are actually Russian!
KYS Black person
>Builds engine and transmission
>We build tanks here!
My Chevy truck has an engine from Thailand, is the truck considered to be built in thailand?
>design a tank, produce parts of it, create variations of it after Soviet union broke up
>no, it doesn't count, it's Russian tank, RUSSIAAAAAN
Shit's funnier. T-80 was originally created by just stealing components developed for contemporary versions of T-64 because muscovites wanted to have their own good tank. T-80U was different because T-64 was completely shelved by then but still basically builds on the same foundation.
Meanwhile T-80UD is an updated T-80U with a good engine, so it's basically gone full circle. Fyi, ukrainians chose the tank because the only chioce they had was either T-80s or T-80UDs.
My C6 corvette uses the same rod bearings as my first gen Camaro, HA THEY STOLE THEM SO FUNNY
most mentally stable Vatnik
>rod bearings
>entire systems
same thing really.
>Yes, our military GPS is more accurate than civilian, and they can "shift" it for civilian devices.
They stopped introducing artificial errors into civilian GPS in 2000.
Yes, 22 years ago, get with the times, moron boot.
>In May 2000, at the direction of President Bill Clinton, the U.S. government ended its use of Selective Availability in order to make GPS more responsive to civil and commercial users worldwide.
Thanks Slick Willie, didn't know that.
Huh I hope they still are following that
They are. Before that change civvy GPS was +/-10m. Now you can see better accuracy than that on your phone or car/truck GPS app.
Which, incidentally, is why Russian aircraft use civilian GPS devices instead of Glonass.
The data accessible by civilians is the coarse-acquisition (C/A) code on the L1 (1575.42MHz) frequency. And actually lesser known is that all of the GPS satellites launched since 2005 also transmit the new civilian-accessible L2C code on the L2 (1227.60) MHz frequency. (It's also worth mentioning that even before the L2C signal became available, some civilian GPS modules used techniques that help improve accuracy by using the L2 transmission. They don't have to decrypt the signal, but just measuring the signal itself can help improve positioning.)
The military have a few more toys to play with, in addition to C/A on L1, and L2C on L2, they also have access to the encrypted P(Y) data being sent on both the L1 and the L2 frequencies. And this allows them to perform ionosphere correction as mentioned by other answers. Since 2005, the military also get access to their new M-code signals being transmitted on both L1 and L2, which will increase accuracy and reliability further.
In the future, the GPS system will get a few more features. In addition to more L2C satellites, the C/A signal on L1 will be upgraded to what's called L1C, which increases performance and reliability. The L5 frequency (1176.45MHz) will also start to be used for a new civilian-accessible "Safety of Life" signal. For the military, new GPS satellites will have an additional directional antenna which can be rotated to selectively increase the strength of the M-code signal in a particular location on earth.
Further on, perhaps the L4 frequency (1379.913MHz) might even be used for additional ionosphere correction.
So you can see that the military get access to quite a lot more data than civilians, and therefore military GPS can achieve better accuracy and reliability.
Sauce on this?
https://t.me/archirai_art/430
Much appreciated anon
Ty anon. That image he posted irritated me.
>wikipedia
No. Now I'm laughing even fricking harder.
>cannot into public knowledge and basic geometry
not my problem
>give website money
>now I can edit things
There's a reason it's not allowed as a credible source of information, books are. I don't apologize to pathological liars.
>GLONASS position accuracy is 5-10m
>GPS 3.5-7.8m.
Are you ok, moron?
And before you reply to me with more vatnik delusion, you might want to double check your latitudes.
I didn't post that. But i'm glad you pulled it out of your ass to show everyone.
>https://www.e3s-conferences.org/articles/e3sconf/pdf/2019/20/e3sconf_isgnss2018_01019.pdf
Glonass can sometimes be more accurate at sea at high latitudes - I know that for a fact. However, is it useful for this conflict or relevant given a lack of guided munitions that can use it - No. Do I trust its reliability versus other guidance options - No. Would I actually try to use it versus Galileo / GPS - No.
>Glonass is more accurate than GPS in far northern hemisphere.
maybe? but most of the GIS info in the world, and the same shit Russians are using when they carry around their civvie tier Garmins, are all WGS84 and built for GPS.
>Glonass is more accurate than GPS in far northern hemisphere.
Wow. You are so fricking stupid.
how can you tell its not just smerch firing normal rockets?
>one of the few guided munitions russia both has and actually uses
>still a wide area dispersal cluster munition
Lol. Sure shows a lot of confidence in that guidance
we've gone from
>huh stupid russian mlrs doesnt exist
to
>ha stupid guided munition has bomblets
Want some videos of it wiping out a football field sized area of hohols from 50 miles away? Or would that get the thread nuked?
delusional
My point was more that if you're aiming to drop cluster bomblets over a wide area, the benefit of precision guided munitions is somewhat lessened.
Not really aiming to avoid collateral with that, are you?
Correct. There are multiple types but the one i've seen hard evidence of was the cluster type. I could speculate like all the other tards ITT (who probably will still shill that it doesn't exist) but haven't seen proof.
I like TOS-1 the best https://files.catbox.moe/yh1hei.MP4
>Want some videos of it wiping out a football field sized area of hohols from 50 miles away?
Yes
hey vatnik, try to not use the word Nuke in every post you make.
I asked about video you posted as a proof first, if you werent sure about video why not just post this pic right away?
I couldn't find it right away, I've archived a lot of photos and video.
AAAAAAAAHHH MOTHERLAND
Ha ha, Motherland!
Oh, the AliExpress special? LMAO
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/one_of_a_kind_russian_guidance_system_of_the_tornado_s_missile_is_based_on_chips_acquired_via_aliexpress_photo-3766.html
wake me up when they blow up anything, HIMARS accuracy is clearly a lie, it's not 5-10 meters, 1-2 meters
It's artillery, the kill radius is very large. 3 meters doesn't really matter.
We've seen lots of videos of drone guided artillery from the Russian side, pretending it doesn't exist means you haven't been paying attention.
>3 meters doesn't really matter
matters when you're trying to hit a bridge
>We've seen lots of videos of drone guided artillery
And HIMRAS works on Russians 80km behind lines where Ukraine has no drones
Matters if it's a warhead that can't take out a bridge, yes. Russia has Kalibr for that, with a 1000lb warhead and 2000+km range.
Russia is using its artillery for its traditional purpose, clearing out large swathes of infantry and light armor.
Ukraine is using HIMARS as a makeshift ballistic missile with a small 90lb warhead.
>Russia has Kalibr for that, with a 1000lb warhead and 2000+km range.
don't forget 200m CEP lol
seems to work fine. Vidrel
Yes, it's much older tech. It needs to be aimed manually also. However there are a lot more of them than Ukies have HIMARS
My favorite flavor of crayon is grape
seems to work fine when they have functioning ones
otherwise they'd be using them right now quite a lot, innit
I believe that was an Iskander. Cruise missiles don't attack straight down. My point was; nyet, accuracy is fine.
>My favorite flavor of crayon is grape
Frick me. A literate marine
the best part of this is that you can see very clearly that it is not a direct hit
muh glonass accuracy best in world xaxaxaxa
have a nice day dumb vatnik
It wasn't a miss, it was a direct hit right in the fricking middle. Picrel. Ukie MLRS was under the canopy out front. It was fricking leveled, and the israelites on CNN kvetched about the "sports center" for days.
>xaxaxaxa
what?
The missile missed. Explosions generally don't care if you're a few meters off.
Ukraine had a pretty lit breakthrough in kharkov and you are coping over a 5 month old video
>vatnik in charge of understanding CEP
>Russia has Kalibr for that, with a 1000lb warhead and 2000+km range
and it can't destroy single small bridge near Odessa
Imprecise artillery of any sort is a thing of past.
GMLRS and ATACMS are the a new tradition.
Embrace it.
Ukraine has US satellites for guidance.
(and, we learned yesterday; super secret Harpoon missiles for sinking Russkie ships)
Who's fighting this war, anyways?
>(and, we learned yesterday; super secret Harpoon missiles for sinking Russkie ships)
what is this?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/how-the-u-s-rushed-harpoon-anti-ship-missiles-to-ukraine
>Russians STILL don't have a counter to 80s American equipment
loving every laugh
STop war
who the frick created this motherfricking chart? he should be hanged for that
t. equity research associate
Forgot success rate:
THAAD: 90%+
S-400: LMAO IT'S GARBAGE
Can I see the S-400 hit a target at 400km, please? Or ANY test footage? I can show multiple THAAD tests, and actual confirmed combat hits. The rebadged S-300MV known as the S-400 is shit. And its paper specs mean nothing.
THAAD:
A THAAD in Alaska intercepted a missile launched just north of Hawaii. Flight Test THAAD (FTT)-18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGEdLW5ddcE
THAAD Terminal High Altitude Area Defense missile system 14th TEST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S65JESDwUTU
The U.S. Missile Defense Agency, Ballistic Missile Defense System Operational Test Agency, and U.S. Army soldiers of the E-62 Battery, 11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade, conducted an intercept test of the THAAD. This was flight test THAAD-23 on August 30, 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0zqSUqUuCI
>US Missile Defense Test Record
Operational intercepts by US systems.
It can probably hit an airliner at FL360 flying straight at it at 400km. The missile will get to it with 0KE left, but probably just kinetically possible. If the pilot turns more than one degree the range drops by 3/4s though.
Exactly.
Here are some very early THAAD tests during DEMVAL in the mid-90s. The spiral right after launch is an energy bleeding maneuver, and not the missile going out of control. You can see just how maneuverable the missile is, though.
More tests:
THAAD and Patriot PAC-3 working together to intercept a target: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SHWxbZE7k8
why does it need to bleed energy at launch?
For targets not at maximum range it burns off excess propellant to reduce weight so that it will be at maximum velocity at intercept.
> targets down to 10 meters off the ground
Is this counting the times the missile boomerangs back into the TEL?
S-400 only has a range of 60 km against ballistic missiles. THAAD missiles have a maximum speed of mach 8.24 and can engage targets at reentry speed (mach 23).
STOP
Implessive. All HIMARS destroyed by
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>Glonass is more accurate than GPS in far northern hemisphere
Even if that’s true, who cares? Who is fighting there? It doesn’t matter in mainland Europe. Where they currently can’t beat a country a fraction of their size
>Glonass
Take your meds, even Ladas dont use glonass
Majority of consumer electronics have software to support both. Depending on where you are, one is better than the other,
No one uses glonass
Even russian army use tourist graded garmins in their choppers
Go have a nice day
I use glonass. In my consumer grade Garmin.
>Glonass is more accurate than GPS in far northern hemisphere.
Maybe north pole lmao. In Europe its unusable. Even fricking BeiDou is more accurate.
did we hit anything?!?
>we
?
Plenty of well cooked long pork from TOS-1
https://files.catbox.moe/yh1hei.MP4
>?
its what the gunner asked the commander after firing that salvo
Thats not how GPS works you utter moron, it has the same accuracy everywhere.
>our military GPS is more accurate than civilian
Is that why your fighter pilots are using western GPS and your missiles can't hit shit?
GPS IS western. Alphabet bois can shift the civilian band to make it inaccurate, kind of like a self-spoof.
>your fighter pilots
read again. "OUR"
Russians may be hiding in your closet, but i'm not one of them.
>Russians may be hiding in your closet, but i'm not one of them
Calm down Black person. We're just making fun of you since you like /chug/ging vatnik cum come so much.
indeed it is
what's the app on the smartphone?
>Glonass is more accurate than GPS in the far bother hemisphere.
Russians confirmed best counter battery at the north pole. Canadians worry briefly until they remember Russian logistics
>GLONASS-"""guided"""
at least its an appropriate acronym
Where are they tho.
There is no point in this bait anymore. There is no longer any discussion of "look look the spec sheet says!" any more. The on the ground results have already been shown and you can't hide behind tired lines about "not underestimating our enemies" anymore.
>Glonass
>accurate
Lol, lmao even.
t. surveyor
is it actually deployed and in use, or just vaporware?
This is a weak Armatard type post.
The reality is HIMARS is better and uke doctrine is better. That's why Russians obsess over HIMARS.
updated
>Tornado is definitely better than it and Uragan, Smerch and TOS-1 are comparably good rocket artillery systems.
Yeah, think about the number of wheels.
>weight in combat position 43.700kg
say sike right now
So, where are they?
the expensive hinars toy is an american toy designed in the capitalistic interest of generating income. the american dollar is the main exportation with such senseless systems
>GLONASs
Found your problem.
isn't it funny that the weapons the USA sent Ukraine unironically turned out to be wunderwaffen after the vatniks kept calling them that for months?
Guess 10-20 year old tech actually is a wunderwaffe against cold war technology and vapor wave
Tornado takes forever to reload, tubes need to be loaded individually. HIMARS takes like 10 minutes, pod can be loaded all at once. Also, at least according to Russian telegram sources, Tornado doesn't achieve anything like that accuracy in practice.
Also Russian ISTAR C4 seems to be shit. Can't shoot at very much if it takes you too long to acquire targets and go sensor-to-shooter.
Trolling is supposed to be subtle.
>https://www.newsweek.com/russia-missile-launch-malfunction-belgorod-video-1739075
>"The Russian army launched six S-300 air defense missiles in the direction of Kharkiv in northeast Ukraine, however, one of the missiles deviated off-course, and hit a district in the Russian city of Belgorod, near the Ukrainian border."
muh specs
>No video of event, trust me guys
muh specs
>Export model, right? Lol
>tornado is better!
so why aren't they using it alongside their su57s and armatas? why are they sending t62s?
They aren't sending T62's, those are coming from DPR/LPR
Both of my deployments in Afghanistan, not a single F22 was ever seen in theatre. Maybe you can draw the logical conclusion between that and why the SU57 isn't in Ukraine.
>They aren't sending T62's, those are coming from DPR/LPR
> those are coming from DPR/LPR
Russia gives LDNR those tanks not that they have those tanks by themselves
Same could be said for Ukraine's tanks. IIRC the last one they built was the T34
>IIRC the last one they built was the T34
>T-64
>Malyshev Factory, Kharkiv, Ukraine
>T-80UD
>Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building Design Bureau
you're marine alright, in sense you're moronic
why would you need to see f22 in afghan coin? su57 isnt in ukraine simply because they arent combat ready and even if they were there are barely any of them and they are irreplaceable by now, losing just one can be devastating propaganda loss aswell. same goes for t14 and other meme shit from recent victory parades
>not a single F22 was ever seen in theatre
Are you implying America DIDN'T have complete air dominance in Afghanistan you fricking moron? Why would they need a dedicated ASF vs an opponent that didn't have any aircraft at all?
Meanwhile in Ukraine hilariously Russia doesn't even have air dominance at all and the Ukrainian AF is actually getting stuff done on the battlefield! If Russia was capable of doing air to air or SEAD they would be. They just aren't.
>Maybe you can draw the logical conclusion between that and why the SU57 isn't in Ukraine.
>russia does not have air superiority otherwise htey would be sending bombers to kiev
>the su-57 is supposed to be multirole
>the su-57 is supposed to be stealthy
>dropping bombs in air space with lots of air defenses is the purpose of multirole stealth aircraft
>su-57 is not being used
>therefore it's incapable of doing the job it was designed to do
embarrassing
>supposed to
>supposed to
>I'm completely familiar with russian tactics
>it's incapable
no, Black person.
It's
Not
Needed
and i'm sure they don't want one falling into NATO hands.
>i'm sure they don't want one falling into NATO hands.
Since Su-57 is supposed to be unbeatable stealth fighter of fifth generation type, logically the only way that NATO would get their hands on one is if the pilot defects. Are you saying that the pilots would immediately defect if they’re deployed over Ukraine? Because that’s a GULAGing
NATO already tried that. Funny story.
>osint website trying to bribe pilots
why your bullshit always have to be that unreal?
There are voice recordings of the communications lol. They got played. How have you not heard of this?
http://web.archive.org/web/20220725075044/https://www.rt.com/russia/559528-fsb-ukraine-spies-hijack-warplanes/
>but but muh RT propaganda
kek
>There are voice recordings of the communications lol
yeah it means it's legit lol
>>but but muh RT propaganda
Yes. It's the same reason nobody posts CNN shit here. They're poZZed af
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
just unreal cope
>w-we di-didn't want a-air superiority anyway!
>and i'm sure they don't want one falling into NATO hands.
Yes it would be a shame to see a repeat of the MiG-25 situation
here's the play-by-play for you
>ukrop recruiters try to recruit russkie pilot
>pilot pretends to be a defector, but acts wary of just flying across the front line, what if the ukrop antiair shoots him?
>ukrop recruiters bite the hook and tell him all about the map and the locations of antiair installations, and show a few safe paths that will be made on certain times
>pilot tells all of that to his superiors, superiors plan operation to artillery the ukrop antiair
Now the westside media publishes this cope about how Ukraine knew it all along.
Unfortunately the proof of who fricked who is in the pudding.
Russian air force and artillery used the intel gathered do destroy Ukrainian defensive positions and the intel chief In charge of the operation (as well as the head of the SBU) are fired.
They also published the audio of the SBU spooks detailing everything including their photos before the article in my previous post came out.
>Source: Trust me bro
>voice recordings
Lmao imagine being this gullible
But I bet when the """recordings""" of """Russian soldiers calling home""" surfaced, you were the first to call bullshit
Did you hear? There is a restless Ukrainian fighter pilot that has shot down over 30 Russian jets, she is going with the nickname “Ghost of Kyiv”
last known location: your head, living rent free
>makes fun of others for believing reddit tier marvel hero stories
>immediately believes convoluted Tom Clancy tier novel plots from RT, no questions asked
What did vatniksister mean by this
They literally posted offerings all over the internet before it happened.
>https://cis.org/Arthur/Ukraine-Offers-Cash-and-Freedom-Defecting-Russian-Pilots
Then a month or so later a russian pilot did a bait and switch. Not too hard to believe, sounds like typical glowie shit. I saw a pretty extensive video, including interview with pilot.. Not gonna go digging for it, ~~*NAFO*~~ and nu/k/ is going to talk shit anyways.
>event A happened, therefore sequence of events B, C, D, E and F happened as well, no I don't have a source trust me bro
Step up your shill game.
he goes by the name CANDYMAN now, you best watch your tongue
>pilot tells all of that to his superiors, superiors plan operation to artillery the ukrop antiair
Lmao
Here's how it really went:
>RussoBlack person shills make up dumb fanfiction.
>Try to spread it around.
>Nobody with two braincells to rub together believes it for a second.
Many such cases.
Both sides are moronic so I can see this Mickey Mouse shit happening
oooooooh i get it, you guys just need to switch the names of the countries and then we get why one of the players doesnt have AA anymore :V
>bombing bases and other strategic targets within ukraine that are covered by SAMs isn't needed
>while ukrops keep flying sorties and their logistics hubs are undamaged
weird cope
>Cruise missiles don't exist
for Ukraine, maybe. They should totally send pilots into a warzone absolutely littered with NATO-delivered MANPADS though, i'll call Putler right now.
russian cruise missile spam has become virtually nil for months now, they resorted to throwing s300s at targets with even worse results than the 50m+ cep we were seeing with kalibr. an actual aircraft would undeniably be superior
>NATO-delivered MANPADS
the entire point of stealth is that you don't need to fly that low. is su-57 not stealthy??
consider the fact that losing even an SU57, any other wunderwaffel, or mobilizing is all considered too high a price for winning this war next time you buy "w-we'll use the nukes!" cope
They have the world's best AA systems, why send an air superiority fighter (that doesn't carry bombs(?) to an AA heavy zone just to battle it out with a rapidly dwindling supply of old MIGs?
>They have the world's best AA systems
they're spectacularly good at making a show when they pop on the ground, I'll give you that much, but in actually achieving desired results? well maybe it's the russian between instrument and chair that's the problem
>Patriot AA missile
2 friendly aircraft shot down
1 enemy aircraft shot down (used by isrealis)
Stellar.
>Meanwhile we see S300 blowing bayraktar and MIGs out of the sky weekly, 1960'S S200 shoots down F117 stealth fighter..
One is proven, the other is vaporware.
thus, "Best"
t. former zogbot, NATO hater
>not needed
Yeah bombing key enemy targets with zero risk isn’t important at all. Taking our HIMARS so you can advance again doesn’t matter.
>and i'm sure they don't want one falling into NATO hands.
If they are as good as they claim, why would any get shot down? How would nato find one? Are they even better than western planes? (they aren't better)
Same reason Turkey isn't getting F35's with their S400 package. Nothing is truly stealth. All are vulnerable to low frequency radar, and extremely vulnerable to IR seekers.
>No, must use all cards in the deck!
>Same reason Turkey isn't getting F35's with their S400 package.
That’s not the same reason at all. It’s that we don’t trust turkroaches with state of the art fighters.
>must use all the cards in the deck
When you are fighting a costly stalemate at best and losing at worst, keeping your best items in reserve doesn’t make sense.
>That’s not the same reason at all. It’s that we don’t trust turkroaches with state of the art fighters.
Who is "we", Greek and Armenian diaspora? Since they're the ones that scrap or block everything else involving Turkey.
An F-35 with strings attached is functionally useless at the end of the day. Turkey's domestic industry can handle any threat that doesn't already involve NATO stepping in.
>Who is "we",
Anyone with a brain. Why would you trust Turkey?
>>No, must use all cards in the deck!
when you lose this war, you're gonna ask yourself "man, why didnt we use all the options we had while we still had them?"
weird cope. do ukronazis have s400 and super iads now? that's integrated air defense system, not the super aids that russia has
homie we have F-22s and F-35s we don't fricking need to examine any SU57 wreckage, besides to collectively point and laugh at it, as is time honored American Aerospace RnD tradition.
>Both of my deployments in Afghanistan, not a single F22 was ever seen in theatre
We didn’t need F22s because of complete air superiority. Older planes were fine. Hell we probably could have air superiority in Afghanistan using F86 Sabres with modern munitions.
Don't be too hard : he said he was ex-USMC. Keep it simple.
Afghanistan didn't have a fricking air force you moron.
the gloves are still on
>TOS-1
Whooping range of 5 (five) kilometers
Impressive indeed
Goood !!!
STOP WAR
can someone please tell me why we are supposed to trust what russians say when they were unable to intercept HIMARS despite pinky promising so?
They have, Ukraine figured out how to get them through; they shoot a bunch of unguided rockets to overwhelm the AA.
For normies like you, it's generally accepted to be the truth. I included a scientific paper as well, feel free to read it.
>Pathological liar
point one out.
>They have
do you have any proof to back it up?
last one i'm uploading..
>bridge is already smoking from hits before AA starts working
>GLONASS guided accurate to 5-10m
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can't believe the russgear fanboys still dare to show their faces around these parts. You clowns have been utterly humiliated and no specposting will save you.
>TOS-1
pure trash
>weld some scrap metal together
>copy specs of comparable nato system and up the numbers a bit
>see, russia strong!!!
Pathetic
Right, they should be buying K-239 instead, which is double the fire at 1/3 the price of HIMARS.
They should be hanging Zelenskyy on a lamppost and agreeing to terms.
You're really begging for it, aren't you, vata?
T-80, T-80B were created by literally transplanting T-64's systems into it from years prior. Ease up on russian cum, you've had enough.
And Putin should back down like his CIA handlers want him to lmao
>They should be exterminating the russian vemrin to the last man, womand and child.
FTFY.
I'm a moderate.
The northern hemisphere should be turned into a nuclear wasteland and cleaned off of human life so the Global South can recolonize it with proper humans this time.
I'm a moderate.
>Tell me you're a israelite without telling me you're a israelite
kill all vatniks, return to khazaria!!!one!
It's all so tiresome.
bro go outside, youre wasting your life whiteknighting a pathetic dictatorship on the internet
>so the Global South can recolonize it with proper humans
Yeah, Africans, Indians, South Americans, Arabs and South East Asians....you didn't think your comment through did you?
>Africans and poos
>repopulate humanity
Pick one
They should be planting many MANY more sunflowers.
Fertilizer is the only thing vatniks are good for, the bloody lot of you.
>TOS-1
You do realize that thing has a range of like 3km right? Its barely considered artillery
quit watching fakenews
wouldn’t be weird if US gear just is better than Rus gear
that’s after all where russian entrepreneurs go
We've talked about this before. Glonass sucks and
>reloading tubes manually in 2022
> TOS-1 are comparably good rocket artillery systems.
Black person, TOS-1 have a fricking 2 (two, II) km range
>GLONASS guided
yeah its shit. might as well guide it using the stars
It’s something that Ukraine has and Russia doesn’t so propagandists emphasize its effectiveness
If they were to talk about how effective Ukrainian grads are then the propaganda would backfire when people remember that Russia has 5x as many grads as Ukraine
>Hellfires are something that Ukraine has and Russia doesn’t so propagandists emphasize its effectiveness
>If they were to talk about how effective S-13s are then the propaganda would backfire when people remember that Russia has 5x as many S-13s as Ukraine
This is how moronic you fricking tourists sound.
Hint: you can't blow up a barn that glowies point out on your map from 90km away and be out of dodge in 3 minutes with a GRAD.
except none of your russian rockets are actually guided, by all indication GLONASS doesn't work, otherwise your pilots wouldn't be strapping commercial garmins to their dashboards
>by all indication GLONASS doesn't work
It works, it just has utter dogshit accuracy and reliability.
Just like any other Russian knockoff of western shit, really.
>Perst-3, JUSTASGOOD as the PEQ-15
>at 50% extra weight
>maybe a bit of a fuzzy laser
>oh and don't let it rain on it or it'll die
If Tornado is so much better and they have so many more systems, why haven't Russia been able to use it to devastate Ukrainian military infrastructure to such a point they can't organize let alone resist?
>russian made
>GLONASS guided
found the problem
The TOS-1A Sunburner thermobaric launchers are fricking deathtraps that even the Russians don't actually want to use because they're such deathtraps. They're relatively short range weapons (~10 km max) so they need to be heavily protected, but if any of those missiles takes a hit from anything they will incinerate the whole BTC.
The Russians had one hit with an ATGM in Syria and it turned into a fricking mushroom cloud.
>height: 320cm vs 162cm
>weight in combat configuration: 13696kg vs 58kg
>number of guided: 6 vs 2
>ammunition: GMLRSvs fists, spit
>salvo length: 6/min vs 1.5s
>navigation system: GPS vs optical, built-in computer
>cost: >$5m vs $53/day
>fuel type: gasoline vs spaghetti, chips
>ecological standard: euro-3 vs russo-7
>russification: no vs factory
>amount: no more than 1500 vs 68m
>trust in defense ministry press releases: no vs colossal
>Smerch and TOS-1 are comparably good
>GLONASS guided
LMAO, that system is like 40-50 years old anon. Most of its satellites fell down into atmosphere and got annihilated.
BTW the Tornado isn’t the direct competitor of HIMARS. The Russians made a similar containerized guided rocket launcher which I forget the name of right now. Anyone?
Also the way they designate these things confuse the shit out of me. Ie, Tornado can refer to a whole vehicle system but also other systems which have been upgraded with new rockets?
There are suffixes you can use to tell what is being referred to eg tornado-g and tornado-s
Club-k, I think.
You Russians are so pathetic.