Why do we still have the
>russia didn't invade Ukraine in full force
Meme, when Russia literally invaded with 190k of its 280k ground forces?
Why do we still have the. >russia didn't invade Ukraine in full force
Why do we still have the
>russia didn't invade Ukraine in full force
Meme, when Russia literally invaded with 190k of its 280k ground forces?
They didn't use nooks.
>Implying Russia has nukes
well that's only 2/3rds force
Yeah, 2/3rds is full force
You can't just leave your entire country undefended
They also sent most of the rest in the coming weeks. Everything that was not absolutely essential was sent to invade Europe's poorest country.
>Europe's poorest country.
I didnt realize theyd invaded moldova
Moldova has been occupied since 1992 anon, why do you think it's so poor?
>I didnt realize theyd invaded moldova
Transnsisters...
They wanted to but got unlucky and found out that ukraine was in the way
Moldova isn't a real country, they are just confused Romanians and Ukrainians.
We must help our wayward brothers and sisters see the light and return home to their mother nations safely once again.
Sick gotcha anon.
Its just cope for why they havent done so well. Its very obvious they invaded with their best professional forces and most modern gear
They didn't use their airforce for some reason. They just left the army to deal with it themselves, dooming them to failure.
for what ever reason they did not declare war and a full mobilisation.
instead they go for a peacekeeping operation / sucker punch.
too many s300, not enough lead time for suppression of enemy air defence.
so much EW and jamming that Russia could not positively identify their own air force.
non proliferation is looking finna weak right now
>for what ever reason they did not declare war and a full mobilisation.
>instead they go for a peacekeeping operation / sucker punch.
190,000 troops out of your 280,00 ground forces including every professional contract soldier and all your best equipment is not a peacekeeping force and what deluded vatcucks like you think about muh 'mobilisation' is comedy gold, as if more unfit vatnik zigger alcoholics and middle aged russian ethnic illiterates with diabetes poorly armed with rusting guns and equipped with Alibaba airsoft gear are worth a fuck.
Finna means "fixing to"
>for what ever
Fucking moron.
>full mobilisation
>for 2 days special operation
Even rumorons would sense some bullshit.
I appreciate the fact you have had so little interaction with blacks that you don't know how to use "finna". What a lucky man you are.
That's absolutely false. We have pictures of captured pilots from downed planes.
Weird this guy has a patch signifying what he's built for
>BBC proudly emblazoned on jacket
That's an American, you can't fool me khohol. Undeniable proof that HATO mercenaries are involved in the conflict
I didnt mean to say they didnt use it at all, but rather that they totally failed to establish air superiority and let foreign AA flood in, instead of suffering heavy casualties at the start so they could control the battle space and save the lives of their army later.
Did you just completely forget about Hostomel?
No, he hasnt. he's hoping you did though.
Russia has 1 million. Potential to get another mil just from reserves
Anon this includes logistics, defence, leadership, local security and bureaucratic retards.
They can't all be cannon fodder.
You say that, but wait until Putin signs the 'All Tooth No Tail' orders and every desk job gets issued an AK...
>every desk job gets issued an AK
What AK?
They don't actually have 1 million soldiers. They set a target but never meet it. In 2016 it was around 770K split among four (technically 5) groups: Army, Airforce, Navy, Aerospace, and Rockets. In 2022, it was slightly higher, but we don't have exact figures. Somewhere around 800K is the best estimate I heard, but there might have been significant corruption issues and "fake soldiers" on the books. There is also Rosgvardia (basically National Guard) with another 70K (also includes the Chechens)
Among the force above, there were 168 battalion tactical groups (BTGs). Each BTG typically consisted of 800-1,000 soldiers. Almost every single BTG (I think the latest is 95%) have now been used in Ukraine. The country’s total land combat capable force was around 160K-200K that went into Ukraine (when you include LPR and DPR militias, and National Guard units used increase the number of troops available). Russia has also resorted to using Naval infantry to supplement land force losses.
So where are the rest of the bodies? Guarding bases, fixing planes, maintaining nukes, on ships, normal conscripts in training (who can't legally participate in Ukraine), bureaucrats, pumping gas, maintenance personnel, cooks, doctors, and so forth. The idea that Russia has vast quantities of trained soldiers available is a myth. That is why they conscripted so many and are likely going to have to conscript some more.
Ukraine meanwhile gets to use much more of their population in ground forces. They use more women, they don't have legal issues with using certain conscripts, they don't need as much of a percentage for Air Force/Nukes/Navy, they get to outsource a lot of their repair and maintenance to NATO, they get to outsource a lot of military production (not the same as military forces but opens up more people for conscription), etc.. Russia is in for a bad time.
so basically russias on paper "army" numbers were mostly just anyone whos picked up a rifle and had a crash course at conscription
It wasn't that they were counting everyone, it is just that raw numbers don't tell the whole story. They were just subject to a bunch of limitations and caveats:
1. At the start of the war, Russia was authorized by the Government to have around 1M troops. US does the same thing. They CAN have 1M, if they fill all the spots, but often run far less.
2. In reality, Russian could never find enough guys willing to work for so little, so they were always short. Plus they have bad corruption where commanders faked troop levels and collect the extra pay. In reality it was closer to 800K (and they might have been billing the government for as many as as 50-80K extra soldiers according to one estimate). They might have even had 850-880K "on paper", but between corruption, hiring and firing cycles, etc.. spots get missed.
3. Russia is also authorized for around 300K conscripts every year. Take that away from the 800K and you have around 500K. A guy off the street isn't a soldier immediately. You have to train them. Further, they're not legally allowed to be deployed to Ukraine, so they don't really count as far invasion force goes either. Every 6 months, Russia loses and replaces around 150K.
4. They get split among the different branches. These aren't real numbers, just an example: 35% Army, 20% Airforce, 25% Navy, 10% Rocket, 5% other
5. 35% of 500K is around 175K troops. Which is close to the the numbers they supposedly had when they invaded. That is why they needed National Guard, Naval troops, LPR and DPR militias to boot their numbers.
Since the invasion, they obviously pulled in reserves and authorized the conscription of another 300,000 troops directly into the army, but there are limits to that as well. Keep in mind, the USA, with 2X the population, much higher pay, allies, and multiple services (marines + army) only used around 160K to invade Iraq and that stretched them thin.
> USA, with 2X the population, much higher pay
What? US military salaries are poverty tier. In puccia though, military contracts promise salaries much higher than average anywhere outside Moscow. I’ve heard they still don’t get paid what they promised, but who really knows. Americans sign up for the welfare, vatniks are hoping for the money they’d never earn in their village
Free/cheap living cost, college benefits and a large amount of other benefits. US pays well, just not always directly in cash.
nah, free room and board, great healthcare while your in, pension, etc. That means real after cost wages for the US military are much higher than the sticker price.
As someone already mentioned, there are significant benefits that go alongside the mediocre salary. Secondly, even the lowest US military rank, E-1 is earning $1785 a month. For Russians, pre-war, the amount was around $400 a month, so the wage is still 4X more from an absolute standpoint, even if the average Russian soldier isn't as poorly paid compared to his countrymen as an American soldier.
That was one factor in a litany of factors though, the main thrust of my argument is supported by the fact that Russia is now offering high salaries for soldiers. It is difficult to get people to volunteer and even obscene salary offers for Russia don't seem to be working.
yes, but brave Russian white defenders of justice and trad values have great perks and benefits of free sex in military, HATO globohomo incels BTFO haha
>In puccia though, military contracts promise salaries much higher than average anywhere outside Moscow
Yeah, keyword "promise". And they only started promising that post-invasion. Before that, a kontraktnik would earn his 30k rubles a month and be happy if he didn't have to spend half of that buying his own gear, then get mugged for the other half by local gopniks.
>they get to outsource a lot of their repair and maintenance to NATO
A lot of their training and medical as well.
>190k of its 280k ground forces
actually, it is 190k out of 540k (280k army, 35k marines, 45k airborne, 180k support forces) so only 1/3rd force. the figure was for estimates of ground combat units, not counting air force and support.
however taking into consideration that usually about one third of the army is ready for ops at any time (by NATO standard anyway), this is indeed still basically a full-strength effort by the Russian Army short of total war. even with additional forces, this doesn't take into account ready forces in Syria and the Far East
for comparison, most major NATO countries commit to deploy roughly 3 brigade-equivalents each on short notice (30 days). To do this, they have on paper roughly 8 to 10 brigades.
>LPR and DPR militias, and National Guard units
did contribute a large number of troops
UK MoD estimated 20k troops total were committed in February from DPR and LPR
Russian sources claimed 30k, but this includes subsequent conscription
AFU claimed 45k but this is the entire strength
so I think the UK estimate is most likely for the initial attacks
You take all that, 50k or so reported wagner and so on and so on and it gets very close to that million.
This obviously does not include all reserves.
There are also about 2.6 million of personnel working in "power structures".
Of course, these are not the ones getting sent abroad, but it's still a number that includes police, swat, spetsnaz, gru, fsb and so on. Pardon if I made any mistakes
1. Wagner wasn't nearly as big at the start of the conflict.
2. The Russian "reserves" aren't real reserves. At least not how we'd picture them in the west with monthly "training" and designated vehicles. The Russians just liked the "idea" of reserves so they passed a law that declared people who had served in the military as reserves and then didn't give the military any money to train or maintain them. Someone did a budget review and found that they had only been given enough to do one annual qualification with rifles.
3. I did include National Guard Units that could be used in Ukraine for urban pacification. They aren't suited for combat. Those that were sent to help quell unrest in Ukraine got into combat and died quickly. The rest is basically the equivalent to police forces, SWAT teams for the CIA, specialist guards like we have for NASA, secret services, etc... Not military formations. There is a reason western militaries don't include those in their military numbers. We shouldn't do it for Russia either.
Ukraine has to guard its northern and Transnistrian border while Russia doesnt care about Bryansk or Belgorod oblasts and has just some border guards there.
>Ukraine has to guard its northern and Transnistrian border
Not really, since if Belarus prepare for invasion Ukraine would know. They keep a small group there.
As for Moldova - nope again, sine russian military presence there is a few men.
>while Russia doesnt care
Not really, russia has to keep a huge amount of it's military across the country and serve military divisions that aren't designated to Ukraine, like nuclear military and other countries, like Syria. Meanwhile Ukraine is concentrated to Russia alone.
Ukraine has a large number of troops and reservists watching the Belarus border, in case they try another Kyiv run
It’s mostly TDF guys and border guards, with only a few reservist units in case of emergencies.
Ukraine destroyed and blockaded all of the roads/bridges on their northern border.
The trench system and swamps themselves would make a Belarus military op a nightmare.
pretty sure they'd have at least one NATO-trained formation with all the good kit somewhere near Kyiv as a reaction force
This, but not pro-Russia. Ukraine has unironically been the country which has shown restraint and intentionally gimping itself for the international community. If Russia were to peel off another layer of gloves and impotently nuke Kiev or something; Ukraine would actually pull off its gloves, overrun the Russian border, and essentially force the entire campaign in Ukraine to fall apart.
>Transnistrian border
YWNB A REAL NISTRIA
>significant corruption issues and "fake soldiers"
Exact same shit happened with the Afghan peacekeeping force. Officers were pretty much pocketing the money that they should have spent to recruiting and training troops, this is had a big role in their capitulation to the Taliban.
Yeah, I'm sure Russia has a huge, untapped pool of manpower that it's simply choosing not to use. Putin keeps them next to the bottomless stockpiles of artillery ammunition, the 2.5k T-80s in reserve depots, the entirety of the Russian Air Forces' SEAD capabilities, and of course, the drawer used to store the gloves after they've come off.
don't omit the Armatas, you globohomo
slavaboo cope. many gays still have a fetish for le strong bear soviets
Tfw you're just trying to take a peaceful shit in a real toilet after weeks in the field and some asshole opens up on you with his AK.
Buddy rule much?
lets say russia managed a 100% full mobilization
that means potentially 32million men
but 100% doesnt exist and it say maybe 5-8% of that number at most..
yes russia hasnt gone bananas yet and if they manage to hold of the upcoming offensive it will be over
>5% of 32 million
yeah and how many rusty nuggets and T-26 tanks are they gonna deploy to equip them all lmao
thats LITERALLY not the point anon
you're fucking retarded if you think Russia can afford anything else
they're barely mobilised NOW, and they're ALREADY human waving it with rusty AKs and not enough shells
>you're fucking retarded if you think Russia can afford anything else
why they cant afford it anon? they have a force of 700k on the theater you think they cant find 1-2 million of men to mobilize?of course they can to think otherwise is stupid
WEAPONS AND AMMO, ANON
fucking follow the thread
fuck me, I don't know if they can afford mobilisation, but they definitely can't afford basic education for the Internet brigade!
>oh no you cant argue at all on the internet otherwise you are a vatnik!!!11!!!
weapons and ammo
yes not an issue as it seems so far
>weapons and ammo is not an issue
>how dare you call me a vatnik
and how is that evidence that they dont have ammo and weapons?
no please quantify it
>mobiks tweet about being issued rusty AKs
>general officer floods the internet begging for shells
>how is that evidence
>no I'm not a vatnik really
yes again anon is this a large scale problem? a small scale? what percentage of soldiers got rusty aks and or not ammo at all?
we need numbers surely with your bold statement of "no weapons and no ammo" you can provide accurate info for us no?
>general officer floods the internet begging for shells.
>yes again anon is this a large scale problem? a small scale?
Anon, please, I understand that you need to eat but can you atleast try.
so basicly you cant give any sort of evidence to your claims
next time try to be a man and stop before someone else ridicule you
>Prigozhin is zero evidence
back to Moscow, FSBmoron
>The guy in charge of the literal front in question
>zero evidence
ANON, PLEASE DONT DO THIS TO ME
>please ignore all the russian officers crying for support, the coddled babies
>why, back when I fought during the Great Patriotic we had 1 mosin for 5 men! And all the ammo we had to loot from the Germans! Uphill both ways! And that's the way I liked it!
Can't feed the ones you have. Let's add some more. Soldiers, babies, ... Stupid turdies
>"Hold on, I need my shit-seeing glasses."
>The street glows like Nagasaki.
Please do mobilize them. Without barracks, tents, anywhere to quarter them. Without a way to feed them. Without anything to do, because you don't have enough officers/NCOs. Without guns or ammo. Well, that last part might be better for you when (not if) mass mutinies start.
>you think they cant find 1-2 million of men to mobilize?
Do they have 2 million uniforms? 2 million chest rigs/plate carriers/belt rigs?
Eh, luxuries. Remember the "buy tampons to block bleeding from gunshot wounds" video, they weren't sending them out with bandages or coats, so who needs uniforms
i mean currently
(currently i mean february)
ukraine has a total of 1.4 million men fielded and russia 700.000
we cant take the words about casualties from any side as valid anyways
what the actual fuck are you trying to say?
>2014 Maidan coup
>Minsk accords
>Odessa arson massacre
>governor of Dnipro region literally putting bounties on Russian->Ukrainians over the radio
>Azov Battalion artillery shelling Donetsk for eight years
>n-no guys! Russia did this for literally no reason at all!!!!!111!
Cope harder subhuman creature
Should have nukes your ant hive when we got the chance
>>2014 Maidan coup
Weird how you don't care for self-determination when it goes against Russian interests
accords
Something that the DPR invalidated.
arson massacre
Russian separatists firebombed Ukies, Ukies firebombed them back.
of Dnipro region literally putting bounties on Russian->Ukrainians over the radio
Can't find anything about bounties. He did say Ukrainians have the right to kill Russians. Why do you reserve the right for Russians to kill Ukrainians but not embrace the natural consequence?
>>Azov Battalion artillery shelling Donetsk for eight years
Shelling little green men using civilians as human shields.
>Russia did this for literally no reason at all!!!!!111!
As you said russia had their made up reasons. And they're going to pay the price it.
the funniest shit about odesa is the firefighter chief and police chief literally fled to russia to leave their paid militants to the mob's will, and now they just use their own sacrifice as a rallying cry kek, same thing with the gorillion donbabwe children that arent gorillion and that they killed themselves by instigating the conflict, nevermind assassinating gorillion "separatist" leaders who got too uppity
Those are all made up or misrepresented or actively incited by Russia though. People died because of those lies Russians told and you repeat. People are still dying because of them.
Wow, a living Prigogine Olgino slave on 4shit. I thought Putin banned western internet for porks.
How can you be surprised?
Olgino's Finest heve been here for years
(they aren't sending their best though)
t.
everything was well deserved
>2014 Maidan coup
None of Russia's business.
>Minsk accords
Russia broke them.
>Odessa arson massacre
None of Russia's business (not to mention how based it was).
>governor of Dnipro region literally putting bounties on Russian->Ukrainians over the radio
The what?
>Azov Battalion artillery shelling Donetsk for eight years
None of Russia's business.
Hope this helped.
>None of Russia's business (not to mention how based it was).
I really really like this sentance
To think ukies gave their nukes to the russians willingly, it's like a mistreated wife who was sweet talked to give her gun to his abusive husband, only for him to start beating her again and try to murder her once she decided to quit such an awful relationship.
I really wish I was making this up.
The thinking was the cold war was over, and Ukraine and Russia at that time had nothing to fight over. And a nuclear program would be expensive, and the western and Russian powers would hate it. So Ukraine as a poor pariah state with their nuclear weapons and people at home bitching about not having enough to eat.
Looking back? Yeah, it'd be cheaper than what the war has cost Ukraine. But that's 20/20 vision.
I find it awfully convenient that Ukraine gave up their nukes and China got into a treaty that would put them against Russia if they use nukes in Ukraine. It's like the stage for a non-nuclear war was deliberately set ages ago.
>what is history
Nearly every country in the world has some tension somewhere that could erupt into armed conflict a year, two, or twenty down the line, anon. It's not a giant fucking conspiracy, it's human nature.
Yeah, but why CHINA of all countries? What the fuck did they get out of that deal? Why would they care?
Same reason they're relevant to the current conflict: if both China and NATO go against them, Russia is fucked like a pornstar getting DPed from east and west.
kinda poetic that russia has a high number of deaths stemming from domestic violence, it's in their DNA
>Data on annual deaths of 14,000 women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Russia
how give blowjob during mouth plate?
>remove plate
>insert penor into plate hole
>???
>profit
>None of Russia's business (not to mention how based it was).
Also because of it, I learned a cool new word: autodefenestration.
Based and laconicpilled.
Anon, I salute your embrace of terse fact over bloviating vatnik cope. You state what is true with an honorable brevity and clarity. Cheers.
Oh, also: fuck the maggot-ridden skulls of the RF high command and their witless supporters.
>a protest over a scrapped eu agreement and sent riot police to go kill protestors after 3 months of violent repression
>happened well after the separatists attacked government buildings, soldiers, police, and terrorized civilians
>a bunch of armed colorado beetle cunts, with the police aiding or not doing anything, attack pro-maidan protestors
>didn't happen
>russian-speaking ukrainians from around mariupol not appreciating fsb-led cunts from donetsk invading their city, killing police, and having a bunch of boomers as support
>"U-UKROPS STARTED IT!!!"
Back to 4chan.
>colorado beetle
Surely you mean the “American VDV Beetle”
>1991 Ukrainian independence referendum
>Budapest Memorandum
>Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty
>Ukraine asks for UN peacekeepers several times from 2015-2021
>Russia is in Security Council and blocks the requests everytime
Hmmmm.
I distintictively remember estimated numbers of gathered forces being around 200-250k on the borders of Ukraine back in Feb 2022.
That on top of 50-80k of separatist "militia" who also were the meat for the meat grinder.
So yeah, vatmorons didnt hold back at all, no matter what pro-vatmorons revisionists try to imply.
Logistical bottlenecks.
>280k ground forces?
How can you have a country the size of fucking Russia and have an army thats smaller than some countries' National Guards?
...because their National Guard is massive?
Oranges and apples, please.
>Why do we still have the
didn't invade Ukraine in full force
>Meme, when Russia literally invaded with 190k of its 280k ground forces?
vatmoron propaganda on why they had not succeeded in three days/two weeks being repeatedly spammed by weak brained turd worlders. The Russian invasion force was the entire Russian professional contract as opposed to contract army and their best equipped and most modernised equipment. It6 was the best Russia had and better than what they have now and yet they were still shit and got whipped by the Ukrainians.
They are preparing the Russian population for the incoming loss.
>Be 54 year-old Russian steppe savage
>Win 10 million Roubles
>Go on a week-long alc binge
>Buy expensive shit for your mistress
>Get robbed
>Be left with 250 Roubles
>Enlist into military voluntarily to change your life.
Such is the life of a Russian LMAO
https://vkDOTcomSLASHwall-47688450_2828677?lang=en
jesus fucking christ
Because Russians, Indians, and assorted 4chan users (i.e. retards) think that Russia having a 1.2 million man military meant they had 1.2 million infantry available to be deployed on Day 1 of the war.
Because the Russian approach to propaganda is not to make any defensible point at all, but rather to filibuster the internet with nonsense.
There is no place in their hearts for simple virtues like "truth". In their view, the only reason they have voices at all is so they can make whatever sounds will benefit them at the moment.
And that can easily be said about the opposite side as well. I.e. 50% of the inorganic PrepHole post over the past year.
Of course. There is no Russian sin that the west is not also guilty of.
But they do *every single one* of those sins worse and more.
And the reason for that is something you're demonstrating now: There is no moral revulsion for these acts in Russia, only morally relativistic "whataboutism", which is not a new thing for them by any means.
>nooo people can't be super excited about the war it has to be glowies
kys
They could have called reservists. In war you should always attack with an army that is at least three times bigger than the defender
Additional Mobilization has flaws:
1. Russia's real battlefield problems: lack of shells, tanks, IFVs, etc. won't be fixed. Guys with Uniforms and AKs is of limited military value.
2. Every mobik is a guy not paying taxes, not producing shells, not building tanks, etc. Russia's economy is doing poorly and their military production cannot keep up with their losses.
3. You need to feed, equip, transport, shelter, and otherwise supply the troops you put in the field. Logistically, more mobilization might not be feasible.
4. Russia's last mobiks were largely ineffective because of their lack of training. Russia lacked the infrastructure to properly train mobilized troops and it was a disaster last time.
5. Adding 300K soldiers to the Ukraine war cost them an additional1.3M Russians who fled the country. Some of the richest, most productive and technically savvy Russians.
6. Conscription is deeply unpopular. Wars often come down to morale.
7. Conscripted solders aren't good at their jobs, they frag officers, get into friendly fire, use drugs, destroy morale, wander off, surrender key positions, etc.
8. Even a budget army like Russia needs to feed, equip, train, and pay soldiers. Bigger army = more costs, and Russia is already having trouble.
Mobilization might actually make Russia's problems worse, not better. Russia needs more training, better officers, better tactical employment, more shells/trucks/tanks/IFVs, more tax dollars to fund the war, and a hundred other things.
> Russia's last mobiks were largely ineffective because of their lack of training. Russia lacked the infrastructure to properly train mobilized troops and it was a disaster last time.
On top of this, is it true that the Russians sent what was little of the training sergeants to the frontline? I never got verification of that
It’s like if a war got so bad that they sent your Drill Sergeant with your wave of troops which is bad because who is going to train the next recruits???
Both Russia and Ukraine allegedly sent training staff to the front lines based on reporting. Nothing I have seen by way of confirmation or admission. That said, Ukraine has USA, UK, Germany, Canada, Poland, etc.. training tens of thousands of Ukrainians. They'll have a shortened schedule, but it will be deliberately designed to maximize combat skills rather than discipline and marching. It will be NATO standard courses and will be taking place in well supplied, well-equipped, and well staffed facilities across Europe with trainers who have actually fought wars recently. They'll have access to things like MILES gear, med kits, and proper tactical exercises at the unit level.
Meanwhile, Russia was giving a lot of their mobilized a few days to get settled, a rifle qualification, and then a ride to the frontline. Obviously it won't make a huge difference at first but, over time, I believe these qualitative factors will show up in the battlefield results and casualty lists. We've sent Ukraine a lot of mediocre cold war weapons and the battlefield results have been impressive, proper (aka: not soviet) military training training is probably one of the more important things we're doing, IMO.
> Some of the richest, most productive and technically savvy Russians.
Last time I heard from the guy doing intercepted Russians calls
They sent some Doctor, the only doctor of specialize in Children diseases as a Mobik.
Just Imagine what Post War Russia would look like.
Their tech sector has been devastated. Apparently no one told them there was a cyber component to their little SMO that might be important to win.
Because, and pay attention to this part - a lot of people are really fucking stupid. Think of all the people you know, and try to identify the person who is about the most 5/10 intelligent, 5/10 common sensical, 5/10, critical thinker you know.
About half of humanity is more stupid than that guy.
>Why do we still have the
>> Mexico didn't invade america in full force
>Meme, when Mexico literally invaded with millions across the border stealing wealth away from yankees
fixed it for you do nothing glow morons
I'd like to answer your question with a question, Anon. When you ask why we "still" have that meme, do you recall any vatniks hyping it on the opening day?
Or were they smugly talking about "Desert Storm on steroids" and "three days to overthrow the regime; babushkas will greet us with gifts of bread and salt"?
There's your answer.
>invaded with 190k of its 280k ground forces?
"Full force" for them is something like ww2, mass conscription of literally everyone and full conversion to a wartime economy