Why do these all-in-one "tent" designs make me want to vomit? Posted on December 23, 2022 by PrepHole Contributor Why do these all-in-one "tent" designs make me want to vomit?
To be honest, you have to be moderately clever to appreciate them.
because camping these days is not something your father taught you to do but what youtube chose to teach you
Because you are a person with a soul, culture and understand that design must be personal and gear selected carefully for what you need it to do more than what it pretends to be good for.
Lmao this cool cunt knows what's up.
Thru hiking is so easy that slag grandma gatewood can do it in keds. Don't act like walking is some skill. Go jungle and get stung you normie r/bbc enjoyer
>Thru hiking is so easy
Oh, yeah? How many thru hikes have you done?
>design must be personal and gear selected carefully for what you need it to do
so how many specialized tents do you bring on your hikes
Tarps. Cheap ones. I did have a nemo pole tent which I wound up trading for shoes though.
I don't like tents even for the cold.
was almost expecting some dumb tent rec but i like that
>traded a pole tent for shoes
One 'cause its specialized to me, ya nonce
That's how ~~*they*~~ keep (You) dependent on "The System".
Because you cant afford them? I’m a minimalist who takes a wool blanket and reindeer pelt tied with a rope like pic related and think all the new gear fags are weak af, especially because my kit only weighs 4.6 pounds dry but i dont find it vomit inducing, I just laugh at the fags who need 50pounds of milsurp gear to spend a night innawoods hahaha
based but after owning a richfag backpacking quilt i don't think i could ever go back to a wool blanket or even an economy down bag. it cost a lot but the amount of time i spend in the woods its really nothing. warmer than a blanket, 1lb, covers me in 95% of local weather, and packs smaller than a football.
Which do you use, im looking for a good emergency blanet / hammok camping
just get a down hammock top quilt from any cottage manufacturer, they're all custom made to any budget/needs. mine's just a maxed out specs hammock gear. they're all about the sameish quality. the only ones that stand out as different are the ugq ones because they have a cinch system to keep drafts off of ground sleepers, but they also jacked their prices up more than the other brands since covid. if you plan to use it on the ground buy the widest size and if its only getting used in a hammock get a narrow size. always order a sewn footbox for bags 20 degrees and lower. the kind that unzip/snap into blankets are cool but they're too drafty for cold temp bags unless you stuff a sock in the hole in the bottom. you're guaranteed to like sleeping in a quilt in a hammock, but its sort of a mixed bag for ground sleeping. i still prefer a mummy bag for my winter bag.
there's like 1 tier of sleeping bags that are better out there (phd, nunatak etc) but they're really overkill for most people's actual needs. himalayas anon might want to invest in one but i probably won't myself.
Sadly Nunatak announced today they are gonna stop doing custom orders
damn that sucks. they're one of the best.
Fuck them. They decide to do a money grab and overpromise before the holidays.
>starting to sell puffy jackets is a money grab
Do you know how tedious it is to make a jacket with fully boxed baffels?
There is only like 2 or 3 companies I can think of that does custom stuff like that, and they were one of them.
Their demand obviously was higher than expected, just shut up
How do you deal with bugs?
he might just live somewhere without too many biting insects. how annoying bugs are is very regional.
By not buying anything from China. As for native insects I just treat my tarp.
Every textile you own was woven in China or some other Asian country, not the US
Honestly you're missing out. When Chang puts his mind to it, he does it right
Because you don’t see the practicality of it.
IDK why you have a frail mind, maybe you she talk to a psychologist
You and me on the playground. Crack of dawn.
What is an all-in-one tent?
You mean a single walled tent?
What’s hard to understand?
Human sized litter box.
because you are a gay weekend warrior and cannot even begin to fathom what its like to thru hike
moron 99.99% of the world's gotta work at least 3 days a week.
Because you probably have not experienced the advantages (and disadvantages) these designs have in specific environments, combined with an underlying rejection of the type of people who promote this equipment as the non-plus-ultra.
Whats the average cost of a decent top quilt? Right now I just pack up my comforter and a heavy fleece blanket I use for cold nights to go out and about. I want to get a top quilt as a christmas gift to me.
burger or yurop market prices?
what degree top quilt do you need where you live?
those two questions pretty much determine the price.
i'll use where i live (pnw) just as an example: 20 degree's all ya need 90% of the year & thru hikers use $200-400 bags.
all the bags in that price range are of equal quality, the difference is only packability weight and the more expensive ones will have more breathable 10d/7d shells.
~$250 + on sale right now: hammock gear econ burrow is the cheapest good thru hiker quilt. #7 most used but everyone starts out with this thing. its good.
~$350: both of enlightened equipment's quilts are the two most commonly used quilts among thru hikers & have the best price to performance in terms of materials.
and btw any common thru hiker quilt re-sells easily and pretty good later on.
every brand: widest size possible if it'll get used on the ground. lean towards narrow for hammock only.
every brand worth buying from: will talk to u on the phone if you're not 100% sure what options you need.
here's the whole list of what people use in my region as examples
the prices on there are accurate except the rei magma, which nobody buys at full price, its only popular because rei 50% sales it multiple times a year.
this size comparison jpeg between the hg economy and hg premium is pretty accurate to show what the difference between $200 and $400 quilt is regardless of brand. don't get too caught up in the marketing. they perform identically unpacked other than bags using 20d being a bit less breathable.
if you spend a ton of time in the woods that's totally worth the price of admission for most of humanity probably not.
some more things to know just to make sure you avoid first quilt pitfalls i see all the time:
- cottage brand quilts are spot on with comfort ratings, any/all brands, they're all consistent with each other. which is nice because mummy bags are not.
- you're meant to use narrow sleeping pads with quilts.
- drafting on the sides is a potential issue for ground sleepers. ugq has a pretty ingenious tensioner design built into the seam that only they seem to use & works great. problem is they jacked their prices up more than other brands since coof, because reddit canceled them for liking cops or something. i don't think it matters for bags 20* and up cause some drafts won't wake me up.
- because of this.. idk 10-20% of people who sleep on the ground wind up buying a quilt and not liking it right away. usually people who find it wakes them up. might wanna go with a cheaper one in case you're one of these people. they resell good when new like that, but effort.
- u supposed to sleep in a hat/balaclava there's no hood. some brands stop at your neck some you can pull over your head like a blankie if you wish.
- main difference with brands is shape of the quilt & footbox construction. the unzipping footbox quilts that turn into blankets are rly cool for 30* and 40* bags. 20* its personal preference. 10* and down only buy quilts that have fully sewn footboxes no zippers or any bullshit that could draft.
Well it looks like this thread isn’t going the way OP wanted. He thought he’d get a punch of (you)‘s by ragging on ultralight gear but instead everyone is pointing out what a retard he is.
Also he never said what an “all-in-one” tent is.
People are more interested in answering a question instead of addressing someone who has never heard of the all in one marketing thing that people use for 3 seasons. It's a kickstarter retard thing.
Because morons want to shill latest patent materials for reasons that don't matter for costs that no one would pay if they were smart. The results of these materials is uggo hyperpriced tents that can be easily replaced with a tarp and net. Same as always. If you ever see one of these and think it's worth the cost, remember that while materials are strong, the desins are often not. Ask someone here to post the oldest dynema tent that's actually survived for as long as they've had it and you won't get very old equipment. There's simply not enough time to decide if they are worth it. Zoomers gon zoom.
>remember that while materials are strong, the desins are often not. Ask someone here to post the oldest dynema tent that's actually survived for as long as they've had it and you won't get very old equipment. There's simply not enough time to decide if they are worth it.
hey anon i agree with you, but its kinda obvious you've never actually had any hands on experience with this sort of gear or ever actually talked to anyone who has. this statement is totally backwards. cottage ultralight moron tents tend to either have really good designs or be really unpopular. its actually the dcf material not doing a good job of surviving time and use that's the issue. its strong stuff on paper but over time it pinholes, zippers always go wavy, and the mylar backing fabric separates. this is evident by the fact that whenever someone rips these tents off and makes them out of silnylon or whatever instead, they wind up being good tents. see: zpacks tents vs lanshan tents for an example.
either way despite being totally wrong you're also totally right that dcf tents suck. single wall tents are good though, so OP is a retard.
>single wall tents are good though
the classic "piece of gear isn't suitable in the climate anon lives or how he plans to use it, and everyone else's experience in the outdoors is exactly the same as anon's"
sounds like a cope for not being able to find good campsites, double walled tents let you setup wherever you want but you have to bring more weight, with single walls you need to pick campsites while considering condensation. neither are bad they just have different purposes
Double wall tents still get condensation on the inside of the fly.
Bug mesh preventing you from touching the inside of the fly on a double wall tent is really overstated.
It’s bug mesh ffs, I don’t get why people talk like it’s some solid structure you can’t push into the fly.
I guess it marginally prevents you from touching the fly, but it’s not gonna stop you if you’re someone who rolls around all over the place in your sleep
They make solid inners, too, you know
You gonna use one of those when it’s 50* out?
And trap even more condensation due to reduced ventilation?
Those aren’t typically siliconized, so they aren’t waterproof, and aren’t some rigid wall that will stop you from pressing into the fly either.
Point stands; the double wall = no condensation problems meme is overstated.
I don’t roll around a bunch in my sleep, so don’t have a problem with touching the walls, and it’s easier to wipe the condensation off the inside of the fly with a single wall tent
Skurka doesn’t mention condensation in the article or the video. Isn’t it a factor of humidity?
My setup started as a poorfag setup but I'm still using it 5 years later
Chinesium single layer tent (made by 3FUL Gear but idk if they're still trading given how the Chinese work)
Sheet of Tybek as a groundsheet
Leave the tent doors open
Total setup weighs just under 3lbs and cost me $200 for the lot
Nah our cottage is just entirely different from the USA. The difference here is nothing like US domestics which is cheap. Here we don't even have REI. They were barred from fucking around with tax issues. I had a mate who got pinholes in his hyperlite from 7 years ago that he had to patch a bunch but nothing serious. Uggo white though. The cracking of dynema is weird and I can't source how or why it happened. Could be tropics issue. That's just what I've seen. I just use DD shit now. I still say that because of pinholes, zippers and backing failing, that it would help to have a realistic timeline for figuring out. My isdue with design mostly comes down to bag straps. I don't do quilts or any of that. (hammock now) I've never touched Zpacks tents and lanshan isn't around here. All I'm saying is that materials wise the price isn't the solution to design specifically. Diminishing returns is all. I use a modern mil pack with an external frame which is monster heavy by some standards. But I pack it lighter than most assume. Water makes most of the weight.
> zippers always go wavy, and the mylar backing fabric separates
This is true of the original Mylar they used, but switched to K type years ago now.
You need to update your anti-dcf firmware.
The other anon is right, design need to work together with materials.
It’s dumb to expect the same design to work the same way with radically different materials, and some makers don’t realize you can’t just take an already existing design, swap the Sil for DCF, and call it good, largely because it’s still a relatively new material and there isn’t much experience with it compared to nylon or polyester.
Seam construction needs to be different, reinforcing needs to be different, cut is different, etc.
There's no such thing as a "all in one" tent. If you're planning to go /out, you'd need from 3 to 7 tents for camping. One for sleeping, one for cooking, one for hanging-/out, and one for bathroom and optionally one for master b8-ing. All the tents does not need to be more than 5 layers.
I can't wait to see that packed up and on your back.
that's what i say to ultralighters who have a foreskin (is it worn weight?)
It's called a single-wall tent, you dumb cunt. I guess you never go PrepHole
I keep it simple
Alright what is this sleeping pad, tube tent combo and where can I get one, looks dope
The duality of man.
i hate this fucking thing
get a hammock gay
what will you do if there are no trees?
I use a bivy, fuck tent fags.
Wouldn’t you know beforehand that there aren’t any trees?