Which a lot of them absolutely do not do,
Post a single reliable pocket pistol that will shoot and load consistently without issues straight out of the box
Oh! Forgot my point. Never had an issue even with promags. Only shoot 95gr Blazer and haven't had an hiccup. it's a toy to add to my shelf but I honestly couldn't find a reason to not carry it if I absolutely have to.
I don't know if the older ones are better, but the Bersa Thunder was the worst gun I ever bought, on par with some turkshit Beretta .40 cal I also stupidly bought brcause it was on sale.
My Beretta 70
My Ruby (Retolaza Hermanos)
My FN M1922
My FN M1900
My Makarov
My Ruger LCRX
My Taurus .38 snub (don't know the model)
My Taurus Millenium that I paid 80 bucks for
Turns out that making a little revolver or a straight blowback really isn't that hard
This >Love my slav 9x18 macaroni and cheese, love my Taurus 85 ultra light, a decade later and they still have yet to be bested in actual usability. I may make money now but my cc game was right from the start in my poorfag college days.
Bersa Thunder 380
Kel tec P3AT
Ruger LCP (1 and 2)
Walther PPK
Most (if not all) 380 sig pistols
380 Commercial production Makarovs
There are more.
I am sorry you are too retarded to figure out how to use a 380 pistol correctly
>Posts the best pocket .380 and one of the best .380s ever made
Wdhmbt?
LCP 2 and LCP max are actually very reliable designs, feel free to check out some of the wildly abusive "testing" people have put them through
They're usually direct blowback guns. Very reliable in something bigger, but in small guns it's unnecessarily snappy and causes frequent malfunctions because the springs are usually way too heavy so you have to stiff arm like youre fending off a linebacker in order to get it to cycle properly. Just cheap shitty design mostly.
LCP 2 and Max are not direct blowback although many other designs are
Serious question because I'm considering buying a small pistol. Is .32 acp superior to .380? Im considering buying a Tomcat in .32.
No, .32 ACP is objectively a garbage round for self defense that fails to stop attackers nearly half the time, for comparison .380 stops attackers just under 90% of the time. Do not carry a .32 if you have any other option.
ruger uses a cheap source for their springs. their LCP/LCP2 line suffers from failures just carrying it with a loaded mag - the spring will fail after 3+ months. internal springs also fail
dont buy pocket pistols. its not worth your life
>One of if not the most popular CC guns in America >It'll fail if it's kept loaded for 3 months
I've been carrying LCPs off and on for almost a decade now, I've changed maybe 2 mag springs(proactively) despite the mags having been kept loaded 99% of the time. Proofs are required for such a wild claim.
I have an LCP MAX and it's pretty shitty bros. After 100 rounds I still have no idea where the irons actually print and it just doesn't want to feed 50% of hollow points.
Post gun. If you really own an LCP max and actually have such issues the sight problems likely user error and you're throwing shots. Git gud. 50% failure rate with HPs is clearly a manufacturer defect assuming you aren't leaving something major out and not typical, contact Ruger for them to fix it.
well, good for you. mine was brand new. after 3 months the hammer spring and the trigger spring had to be replaced by ruger. ruger sent 2 new magazines with the repair. 2 months after getting it back the mag springs failed. replacing the springs, 4 months after that, drawing it to fire, every 2nd/3rd round outright failed to fire. ruger asked for it back and they outright placed the whole slide assembly.
no way in fuck was i going to trust my life to it so i sold it immediately
If you wanna shit on one of the most reliable and best selling .380s ever produced then you're gonna need some proofs my man, rugers put out some bad LCPs for sure as you'd expect of such a prolific and cheap firearm, the gen 1 had definite issues as far as drop safety went as well. If they were as shit as a couple of posters in this thread seem to think they are then you'd see complaints out the ass all over the internet about the things
moron the LCP and it’s variants have been one of the most popular and best selling pistols for 15 years. No one needs to shill them. They are popular because they are good for their role
>No, .32 ACP is objectively a garbage round for self defense that fails to stop attackers nearly half the time, for comparison .380 stops attackers just under 90% of the time. Do not carry a .32 if you have any other option.
Source: a study where .380 acp outperformed .357
My Bodyguard works just fine, but it absolutely sucks ass to shoot, so I am getting rid of it. I'd much rather carry a j frame, at least I can shoot those decently.
They're usually direct blowback guns. Very reliable in something bigger, but in small guns it's unnecessarily snappy and causes frequent malfunctions because the springs are usually way too heavy so you have to stiff arm like youre fending off a linebacker in order to get it to cycle properly. Just cheap shitty design mostly.
A .38 is too big to pocket unless you're wearing cargo pants or JNCOs. They are great iwb though.
Pocket .380s suck because they have to be small and light enough for pocket carry. Also, no one buys one for fun, they buy it because it's their only option. They aren't going to spend a bunch of money on something that is purely utilitarian.
So, it has to be small, light and cheap. They are what they are.
Funny, I was actually looking at the Taurus Spectrum when I was shopping for a .380 to carry at work. Ended up going with a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard because my LGS was throwing them away for <$300
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>Ended up going with a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard because my LGS was throwing them away for <$300
Lucky bastard. I'm in a ban state, we can't have those.
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You're totally missing out!
The long, creepy trigger is to die for! I also love that to insert a new mag, I need to c-clamp the slide while pushing the mag in with the thumb of the same hand in order to get it seated.
Not to mention the super high-tech sights! I think they put some kind of classified stealth aircraft coating on them, because they're practically invisible.
Funny, I was actually looking at the Taurus Spectrum when I was shopping for a .380 to carry at work. Ended up going with a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard because my LGS was throwing them away for <$300
>Spectrum
Don't trust your life to it. I've had so many issues with mine. Once one is fixed, a completely different thing starts acting up. >bought gun >14% light strikes on all brands >sent in for repair >still has light strikes with anything not using federal primers >starts jamming constantly >see new nick in slide >shoot a shit ton to smooth things out >starts having feeding issues >have to polish breach face, extractor, and feed ramp
It shoots like butter now, but I am just waiting for a new issue to arise.
Too big a bullet for the size of the gun. Chambering them in a smaller round like .32 or even .25 would fix most of the complaints about them. If you think you need a bigger round get a gun that can actually handle it properly.
I went with the tomcat because beretta is better than ruger in terms of both quality and reliability. Don’t go cheap if it’s going to be something you rely on. With that said I carry it as a back up and not a main gun but it goes with me everywhere
I went with the tomcat because beretta is better than ruger in terms of both quality and reliability. Don’t go cheap if it’s going to be something you rely on. With that said I carry it as a back up and not a main gun but it goes with me everywhere
.32 ACP is based and is comparable to 380 or really more like Grandpa's 30SC. But don't get a tomcrack Beretta is great and all but the Tomcat in 32 ACP has a very short lifetime even for a pistol of it's size
bought an old gt32 and my god she's a good girl. Did it on a whim because gun plus 3 boxes of ammo was only $160. I gave the seller $180 just because I liked it that much and he was a total bro that let me borrow and test fire it despite being just a friend of a friend.
It's more that .32 is a better caliber for something like an LCP. It's a lighter projectile than a .380 so it's worse than a .380, but shoots smoothly in a small gun.
Because there is no reason for them to exist. If you value capacity, you carry 22 magnum. If you value damage, you carry 38spl or 357 magnum. All are around the same size and far better than random bullshit like 380 or 32.
Some day you're gonna be a big gay like you are actin right now to the wrong person and they're gonna mag dump 7 rounds of 380 into your torso and you're gonna feel really silly right before you die and I'll laugh over here in my smelly corner of the world
Rimfire is inherently unreliable, so no I'm not carrying that. Imagine saying .38spl is for when you "value damage," but fail to realize it's almost identically as powerful as .380 with standard pressures. You're pretty fucking retarded honestly. .357 in a pocket carry? Yeah that'll last about 1k rounds with full pressure loads.
Pocket pistols are hot.
Got myself a lcp2 in 22, lcp 2 in 380, taurus curve, the berretta bobcat, DB 9 4th gen.
All run great, no issues with any. I did have a Taurus PT22 that sucked so much ass however.
I just wish there were decent all-metal pocket pistols. Polymer is fine in larger guns by pocket guns that are polymer-framed feel like they're going to break with every shot.
ruger uses a cheap source for their springs. their LCP/LCP2 line suffers from failures just carrying it with a loaded mag - the spring will fail after 3+ months. internal springs also fail
dont buy pocket pistols. its not worth your life
>source your ass
Meanwhile my LCP II is 6 years old and is fine. It doesn’t always lock open on the last round but that can also be my grip hitting the slide release. I only have ~600ish rounds through it which isn’t a ton, but it a a pocket pistol. It isn’t meant to be shot a ton
I have an LCP MAX and it's pretty shitty bros. After 100 rounds I still have no idea where the irons actually print and it just doesn't want to feed 50% of hollow points.
Handguns in general suck. Handguns trade off everything that makes a weapon good in order to be small enough to fit in your pants. Pocket pistols are at the far extreme of this spectrum, being about as small as they can be and still possible to shoot.
I was actually thinking about getting a pocket pistola then I realized my P365 is less than an inch longer and only half an inch taller with more capacity and an infinitely more lethal round.
because they are minmaxed.
they've sacrificed everything for concealment at a particular caliber. they aren't meant to be cool, they aren't meant to be enjoyable to shoot. they are made to shoot and waste no volume on frills or luxuries.
This. If your hand hurts when you shoot pocket .380s then stop using so much lotion to beat off and toughen those cock scrubbers up. Guns like the LCP Max are a great option for staying strapped while you're exercising, although I'm sure most of you won't appreciate that use case.
I love my LCP2 as a CC, but I hate it at the range. The same things that make it an great CC piece also make it unfun to shoot. It is small, lightweight, and a potent enough caliber. I hate the train with it it, but I do, and I can carry it in any outfit comfortably regardless of the weather or social situation.
All weapons are a compromise in someway, I'm ok with compromising a comfy shooting experience with something I can/always will carry.
i dont know
Why Stayvun why??
They don't need to look good, they just need to work well.
Which a lot of them absolutely do not do,
Post a single reliable pocket pistol that will shoot and load consistently without issues straight out of the box
>muh heckin breakin!
Cope
'95 series Bersa which became the Thunder.
Oh! Forgot my point. Never had an issue even with promags. Only shoot 95gr Blazer and haven't had an hiccup. it's a toy to add to my shelf but I honestly couldn't find a reason to not carry it if I absolutely have to.
I don't know if the older ones are better, but the Bersa Thunder was the worst gun I ever bought, on par with some turkshit Beretta .40 cal I also stupidly bought brcause it was on sale.
My Beretta 70
My Ruby (Retolaza Hermanos)
My FN M1922
My FN M1900
My Makarov
My Ruger LCRX
My Taurus .38 snub (don't know the model)
My Taurus Millenium that I paid 80 bucks for
Turns out that making a little revolver or a straight blowback really isn't that hard
This
>Love my slav 9x18 macaroni and cheese, love my Taurus 85 ultra light, a decade later and they still have yet to be bested in actual usability. I may make money now but my cc game was right from the start in my poorfag college days.
>My Makarov
Why do they have to be so damn expensive...
>Post a single reliable pocket pistol that will shoot and load consistently without issues straight out of the box
see
I have 600 rounds with mine and no issues.
Bodyguard, LCP, G42, Bersa, you get the idea.
Bersa Thunder 380
Kel tec P3AT
Ruger LCP (1 and 2)
Walther PPK
Most (if not all) 380 sig pistols
380 Commercial production Makarovs
There are more.
I am sorry you are too retarded to figure out how to use a 380 pistol correctly
>Posts the best pocket .380 and one of the best .380s ever made
Wdhmbt?
LCP 2 and LCP max are actually very reliable designs, feel free to check out some of the wildly abusive "testing" people have put them through
LCP 2 and Max are not direct blowback although many other designs are
No, .32 ACP is objectively a garbage round for self defense that fails to stop attackers nearly half the time, for comparison .380 stops attackers just under 90% of the time. Do not carry a .32 if you have any other option.
>One of if not the most popular CC guns in America
>It'll fail if it's kept loaded for 3 months
I've been carrying LCPs off and on for almost a decade now, I've changed maybe 2 mag springs(proactively) despite the mags having been kept loaded 99% of the time. Proofs are required for such a wild claim.
Post gun. If you really own an LCP max and actually have such issues the sight problems likely user error and you're throwing shots. Git gud. 50% failure rate with HPs is clearly a manufacturer defect assuming you aren't leaving something major out and not typical, contact Ruger for them to fix it.
This thread leaks of shill
well, good for you. mine was brand new. after 3 months the hammer spring and the trigger spring had to be replaced by ruger. ruger sent 2 new magazines with the repair. 2 months after getting it back the mag springs failed. replacing the springs, 4 months after that, drawing it to fire, every 2nd/3rd round outright failed to fire. ruger asked for it back and they outright placed the whole slide assembly.
no way in fuck was i going to trust my life to it so i sold it immediately
I don’t believe you
>This thread leaks of shill
Coming from the guy who's talking about LCPs like he needs to sell them that's gold.
If you wanna shit on one of the most reliable and best selling .380s ever produced then you're gonna need some proofs my man, rugers put out some bad LCPs for sure as you'd expect of such a prolific and cheap firearm, the gen 1 had definite issues as far as drop safety went as well. If they were as shit as a couple of posters in this thread seem to think they are then you'd see complaints out the ass all over the internet about the things
Bill please
moron the LCP and it’s variants have been one of the most popular and best selling pistols for 15 years. No one needs to shill them. They are popular because they are good for their role
>No, .32 ACP is objectively a garbage round for self defense that fails to stop attackers nearly half the time, for comparison .380 stops attackers just under 90% of the time. Do not carry a .32 if you have any other option.
Source: a study where .380 acp outperformed .357
My Bodyguard works just fine, but it absolutely sucks ass to shoot, so I am getting rid of it. I'd much rather carry a j frame, at least I can shoot those decently.
They're usually direct blowback guns. Very reliable in something bigger, but in small guns it's unnecessarily snappy and causes frequent malfunctions because the springs are usually way too heavy so you have to stiff arm like youre fending off a linebacker in order to get it to cycle properly. Just cheap shitty design mostly.
.380 is a weak round.
.32ACP>9mm>>>.380 in blowback pocket pistols
(throat clearing)
>big black glock
>pocket pistol
shit is too fat for pocket carry.
what is wrong with the max, OP? are you expecting to hit soda cans at 25yds?
Would you pocket carry a .38 snub? Then you could pocket carry a Glock 42. It’s single stack, not fat.
A .38 is too big to pocket unless you're wearing cargo pants or JNCOs. They are great iwb though.
Pocket .380s suck because they have to be small and light enough for pocket carry. Also, no one buys one for fun, they buy it because it's their only option. They aren't going to spend a bunch of money on something that is purely utilitarian.
So, it has to be small, light and cheap. They are what they are.
If you have to go cheap, I’ve seen good reviews on the original Ruger LCP, and the discontinued Taurus Spectrum. Good luck with the search.
Funny, I was actually looking at the Taurus Spectrum when I was shopping for a .380 to carry at work. Ended up going with a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard because my LGS was throwing them away for <$300
>Ended up going with a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard because my LGS was throwing them away for <$300
Lucky bastard. I'm in a ban state, we can't have those.
You're totally missing out!
The long, creepy trigger is to die for! I also love that to insert a new mag, I need to c-clamp the slide while pushing the mag in with the thumb of the same hand in order to get it seated.
Not to mention the super high-tech sights! I think they put some kind of classified stealth aircraft coating on them, because they're practically invisible.
They're a surprisingly decent pistol.
>Spectrum
Don't trust your life to it. I've had so many issues with mine. Once one is fixed, a completely different thing starts acting up.
>bought gun
>14% light strikes on all brands
>sent in for repair
>still has light strikes with anything not using federal primers
>starts jamming constantly
>see new nick in slide
>shoot a shit ton to smooth things out
>starts having feeding issues
>have to polish breach face, extractor, and feed ramp
It shoots like butter now, but I am just waiting for a new issue to arise.
>are you expecting to hit soda cans at 25yds
if you can't do this with a pocket pistol, it's a skill issue
post groupings
Post targets
Too big a bullet for the size of the gun. Chambering them in a smaller round like .32 or even .25 would fix most of the complaints about them. If you think you need a bigger round get a gun that can actually handle it properly.
So keltec p32? Shame those Florida coke monkeys focus on making meme bull pups and 5.7 chambered contraptions.
>why do 380s suck
>380s
gosh no fucking clue
user error
I have an LCP max and it’s pretty reliable. Sometimes the slide doesn’t lock back but oh well
The worst thing is it makes my trigger finger bleed from getting pinched so I rarely shoot it
The only thing I have problems with is the shitty polymer base plates. 3 times my +2 has spaghettid at the range or in my bag.
mine work just fine
Serious question because I'm considering buying a small pistol. Is .32 acp superior to .380? Im considering buying a Tomcat in .32.
I went with the tomcat because beretta is better than ruger in terms of both quality and reliability. Don’t go cheap if it’s going to be something you rely on. With that said I carry it as a back up and not a main gun but it goes with me everywhere
.32 ACP is based and is comparable to 380 or really more like Grandpa's 30SC. But don't get a tomcrack Beretta is great and all but the Tomcat in 32 ACP has a very short lifetime even for a pistol of it's size
bought an old gt32 and my god she's a good girl. Did it on a whim because gun plus 3 boxes of ammo was only $160. I gave the seller $180 just because I liked it that much and he was a total bro that let me borrow and test fire it despite being just a friend of a friend.
It's more that .32 is a better caliber for something like an LCP. It's a lighter projectile than a .380 so it's worse than a .380, but shoots smoothly in a small gun.
not fully a pocket pistol but very smol and works well. i never had any problems
The ideal pocket pistol layout was invented 130 years ago
Why does everyone overlook the Bersa Thunder?
OP has repeatedly stated he wants a pocket pistol and Big Bertha Thunder not that dress size.
380 pocket pistols suck because 380 sucks
>cost of a .40
>less power than a 9
>380 gun quality is shit tier
lel, just get a 9
Why the fuck is .380 so expensive
because nobody wants to buy it
Because there is no reason for them to exist. If you value capacity, you carry 22 magnum. If you value damage, you carry 38spl or 357 magnum. All are around the same size and far better than random bullshit like 380 or 32.
Some day you're gonna be a big gay like you are actin right now to the wrong person and they're gonna mag dump 7 rounds of 380 into your torso and you're gonna feel really silly right before you die and I'll laugh over here in my smelly corner of the world
Post guns morongay
Rimfire is inherently unreliable, so no I'm not carrying that. Imagine saying .38spl is for when you "value damage," but fail to realize it's almost identically as powerful as .380 with standard pressures. You're pretty fucking retarded honestly. .357 in a pocket carry? Yeah that'll last about 1k rounds with full pressure loads.
Any .380 would be improved by being chambered in .32
is there any decent defense ammo in .32? i'd rather see .380 eliminated forever too but i dont think thats a contender.
73gr FMJ
so not at all, i heard it was more popular in the europe but i guess they just don't.
> Any .380 would be improved by being chambered in .32
All the problems of .380 but with even less energy. Sounds awesome.
Pocket pistols are hot.
Got myself a lcp2 in 22, lcp 2 in 380, taurus curve, the berretta bobcat, DB 9 4th gen.
All run great, no issues with any. I did have a Taurus PT22 that sucked so much ass however.
whats your fav? i am in the market myself.
They don’t
I just wish there were decent all-metal pocket pistols. Polymer is fine in larger guns by pocket guns that are polymer-framed feel like they're going to break with every shot.
extra mass also helps with function and recoil.
If you like pricey obscure Colts with a 12 lb DAO trigger. I have the aluminum frame version.
Then they become heavier and more of a pain to pocket carry. Even if the size is the same 16oz in your pocket is very different than 10oz
Post your .32’s then, fags. A pocket sized .380 is objectively the best option for CC, like it or not
bump
ruger uses a cheap source for their springs. their LCP/LCP2 line suffers from failures just carrying it with a loaded mag - the spring will fail after 3+ months. internal springs also fail
dont buy pocket pistols. its not worth your life
>source your ass
Meanwhile my LCP II is 6 years old and is fine. It doesn’t always lock open on the last round but that can also be my grip hitting the slide release. I only have ~600ish rounds through it which isn’t a ton, but it a a pocket pistol. It isn’t meant to be shot a ton
>Why do most 380 / pocket pistols suck so bad?
It's a humiliation ritual to punish retards too stupid to carry the actual GOAT pocket gun.
They are inferior but top right is pure sex
I have an LCP MAX and it's pretty shitty bros. After 100 rounds I still have no idea where the irons actually print and it just doesn't want to feed 50% of hollow points.
mine shoots like 4 inches low from 10 yards
Use a hold-over aim. ie - Put the big front sight over the moron you're trying to shoot.
Handguns in general suck. Handguns trade off everything that makes a weapon good in order to be small enough to fit in your pants. Pocket pistols are at the far extreme of this spectrum, being about as small as they can be and still possible to shoot.
My Pico has never had a problem, but bring on the hate.
>bring on the hate
I hate the fact that Beretta stopped making the Boku no Pico, and they are hard to find used.
I was actually thinking about getting a pocket pistola then I realized my P365 is less than an inch longer and only half an inch taller with more capacity and an infinitely more lethal round.
because they are minmaxed.
they've sacrificed everything for concealment at a particular caliber. they aren't meant to be cool, they aren't meant to be enjoyable to shoot. they are made to shoot and waste no volume on frills or luxuries.
This. If your hand hurts when you shoot pocket .380s then stop using so much lotion to beat off and toughen those cock scrubbers up. Guns like the LCP Max are a great option for staying strapped while you're exercising, although I'm sure most of you won't appreciate that use case.
>not a single mention of the sig P238
>shoots your thigh
Stay away from sig.
>cocked & locked
>pocket pistol
>Sig
I love my LCP2 as a CC, but I hate it at the range. The same things that make it an great CC piece also make it unfun to shoot. It is small, lightweight, and a potent enough caliber. I hate the train with it it, but I do, and I can carry it in any outfit comfortably regardless of the weather or social situation.
All weapons are a compromise in someway, I'm ok with compromising a comfy shooting experience with something I can/always will carry.