why do Hi-Point and Keltec get hate. they make good quality reliable guns that are very unique and very low cost

why do Hi-Point and Keltec get hate
they make good quality reliable guns that are very unique and very low cost

people need to support good companys insted of tearing them down

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my keltec 22 is leagues better than my ruger lcp 2 22lr
    one never has a problem and the other malfunctions almost every shot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      because they genuienly make good guns

      so what is the problem with them then that they get so much hate
      they are very reliable
      they dont jam and malfunction
      they are not that heavy
      they look unique
      especially the keltecs usually have very unique stuff with the action or how they work
      and they are both very very cheap

      do people just hate on them to feel superior for buying more expensive things

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        idk. gays like to make fun of anything that they consider for poor people
        i enjoy my less expensive guns as much as my high dollar ones, as long as they work
        dont have much experience with hi point but always liked keltec
        the pmr30 is badass too

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah i guess that is true
          keltec guns do look very nice though
          i think it was last year that they made a metal version of the P15 which i hope to get eventually

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have the metal P15. Very snappy to shoot, have some issues with sight drift which were fixed with loctite. Otherwise very reliable. looks cool, too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Welcome to the shill paddy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based P17 brother. I got the desert one because it's all they had.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because people take guns too seriously. like SURE, get your one badass serious rifle, but after that why not buy fun guns?
    people being too serious about guns is why everything is just an ar15 now

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why the hate.
    Some people like what they like.
    Both companies have "plastic aesthetic".
    HiPoint look like toys, Kel-Tec fits the cocaine fueled Florida Man with a weapons factory meme to this day.

    I agree consumers should support with their wallets and break the monopoly that the big names have. That can only happen if a company has something new and innovative.
    Kel-Tec delivers. Affordable small handguns, folding carbines, ambidextrous bullpups and begrudgingly the su16. All American made.
    >tldr
    >HiPoint is a toy weapons company
    >Kel-Tec is a prototype weapons lab

    It's your money. Buy what you like.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >cocaine fueled Florida Man
      literally me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >canned shrimp
        ?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          available at your local walmart, though im more of a deenz man myself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >caught by Americans
            >packed by Americans
            baste

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >volusia county
        don't forget to say "thank you, shitwood"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Both companies have "plastic aesthetic"
      personally I love it, I'll bet money in the future the assasination of Shinzo Abe will be the offical beginning of the cyberpunk era and imagine not having a cheap funky looking plastic blaster.
      Although personally I'm leaning towards a Beretta CX4 since it's still pasticy and space gun looking, while presumably more reliable for HD and better for plinking.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kel Tec are great.

      Wait until you see what Knight Industries have at their Titusville facility about ten minutes away from Kel Tec's factory. (I have pics, but I am not supposed to share, but just about everything you can think of relating to /k/ and PrepHole).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I already have an RDB. You have to have something quite special for me to reinvest in a rifle.
        Appreciate the optimism anon.tdva

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why do Hi-Point and Keltec get hate
    where is the hate? i see and hear more pro hipoint/ keltec rhetoric than anti. youtube comments arent real life. i think everyone who understands firearms knows what these companies are doing and isnt against it in the slightest.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >see and hear more pro hipoint/ keltec rhetoric than anti. youtube comments arent real life
      yeah, sometimes its fun to just make a few jokes

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cheap guns regularly used by commies and troony mass shooters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >cheap guns mass shooters.
      The FBI is no different than any other agency, They have budgets and needs too, But at least they have something to show for their work!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Cheap guns regularly used by... mass shooters.
      What are you talking about? The fed boys dish out top dollar for their ops. Look at the Uvalde shooter, he got a Daniel Defense with a proper red dot. The cheapest I've seen them go is an M&P for the Aurora one, and even that one had a aim point on it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why does DD ship their rifles with the vfg mounted 4 miles away from the magwell

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They know most of their customers are 8ft tall chads

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            transgender hispanic shooters are not tall or chads
            chad's AR is a retro build

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the "mass shootings" in question

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've seen this video posted hundreds of times, but I could've always sworn it was a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870. Never noticed it was a ksg until this screenshot, odd.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mass shooters
      Eric Harris was a real trendsetter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It is funny to remember that, with as villified as Sandy Vag made the AR, the OG school shoot was this, a couple Intratec ghetto blasters, and a fricking sawed-off shotty. And all this in the middle of the motherfricking AWB. Not quite as embarrassing an L for the grabbers as North Hollywood, tbh, but still bad.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is sort of funny that the deadliest school shooting (for a while) and the most notorious one was perpetrated with arguably the two most notoriously unreliable guns. Hi-Point Carbine and TEC-9.
          I guess in the aesthetic department they looked cool.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I was also struck by my recent discovery that it was originally supposed to be a school bombing. It was only after they discovered real life wasn't Half-Life and propane tanks don't spontaneously combust that they resorted to something with a little more personal touch. The real irony there is while they might have gotten more kills that way, they wouldn't have become the icons of a whole edgelord subculture because there wouldn't be footage of them stalking the halls in their dopey outfits, blowing their classmates away.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah I'm surprised the bombing element isn't actually discussed more, sure it failed but none of these school shooters are planting bombs or making pipebombs.
              Columbine was and is still unique. Also I personally am of the opinion the bombs would have done jack shit, at least compared to what they expected.
              It was essentially 20lb propane tanks surrounded by pipebombs, there was no bomb element they just hoped for the pipebombs to explode and use the propane as fuel.
              I think it would have been more like a big fireball which could have killed people in the immediate area but mostly burns and no structural damage.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'd guess it's a classic case of people learning from their predecessors. The bomb was difficult, didn't work, and as you noted probably wouldn't have worked how they expected even if it had. By contrast, they kill 20 people just by walking from room to room. There wasn't even any urgency. That suggests just shooting people is a far easier way to get the killing done if that's what you want. And you can even frick that up, as the PrepHole killer demonstrated.

                I don't have the webm, apparently, but some years back there was a Russian school shooter who clearly wanted to ape these guys (similar outfit, used a shotgun), and he did get the bomb to work. Don't know how many it got, or if he was still better off with the gun in the end. It gets posted on /gif/ semi-regularly, if that's your thing and you can stomach that cesspool.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >arguably the two most notoriously unreliable guns
            ENTER

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Another interesting thing is despite the kvetching about gun ads the Sandy Hook shooter did not buy the AR
          He killed his mother (A law abiding citizen that would pass anybackground checks) and stole her guns

          https://i.imgur.com/Zkxgj8R.gif

          It is sort of funny that the deadliest school shooting (for a while) and the most notorious one was perpetrated with arguably the two most notoriously unreliable guns. Hi-Point Carbine and TEC-9.
          I guess in the aesthetic department they looked cool.

          >deadliest school shooting (for a while)
          The only deadlier one i think was the Vtech shooting; which was done with a Glock and a .22 pistol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Stoneman Douglas in 2018 was 17 killed.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keltec keeps changing their shit almost yearly and they don't sell it in my country despite us having the 2nd or 3rd best laws in yuro
    I don't hate them personally but I am jealous

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hi Point would of ruled the last 2 decades if they just didn't stick to the single stack due to high-capacity magazine prohibition of 1994 and moved on from it.

    Imagine if their whole PCC line up were double stacked all this time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Hi Point would of ruled the last 2 decades if they just didn't stick to the single stack due to high-capacity magazine prohibition of 1994 and moved on from it.
      >Imagine if their whole PCC line up were double stacked all this time.
      Right? If they made the .380 in a doublestack I'd buy one right now

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neither are quality. Hi-Point just manages to put out cheap, functional guns made of pot metal. ZAMAK can spontaneously crack at room temp, for crying out loud. Not likely, but possible. Nobody with money and a choice should turn to them as a first option.

    Kel-Tec has neat ideas, but flawed execution. No pot metal, but a lot of plastic shells held together with screws. QC is all over the place, some models moreso than others. Anyone who actually shoots the things more than once a year usually has to swap in MCARBO parts or do a bit of polishing to make them more consistent. They're pretty much just fun gun/range blaster-tier. Shoot a few boxes of buck through a KSG and you'll appreciate even a Maverick by comparison.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate KT because they make several guns I want but they haven't produced them in years causing their price to skyrocket above MSRP.

  10. 1 month ago
    Resident Wumbologist

    They get hate specifically because they are not very good quality or reliable.

    HP guns CAN be reliable either out of the box or after some tweaking, but their service life is relatively limited. After a couple of thousand rounds things will wear out because the materials are very cheap, and the rifle or pistol will start encountering progressively frequent and serious malfunctions. Of course their warranty will take care of it, but that doesn't speak anything positive of the product itself (only that most of their customer base doesn't shoot enough to wear one out, or doesn't shoot at all because they are too poor/lazy).
    That is fine, because they are cheap and occupy a low position in the market where poor people need affordable guns for basic protection. They do deserve respect for that. But thinking that a Hi-Point is "just as good" as a proper $300-500 handgun or $600-800+ PCC that can last multiple lifetimes of hard use is delusional. There are more expensive guns that are worse, but most options are still better and many for not that much more money.

    Kel-Tec by comparison is genuinely very innovative. Their quality however is still pretty poor. It is frustrating when they come out with a groundbreaking design and go on to manufacture it out of the cheapest plastic and drywall screws they could get on clearance at the local Ace Hardware that day. I have owned some of their products and still have an SU-16 as a backup rifle, and while they can work very well their service lives are also limited by their cheap construction. I think S&W heard everyone's prayers of making KT products with a little better quality for more money, but missed on the first half of that request.

    It is a testament to the modern gun industry that innovative or effective weapons can be so cheap, but don't get lost in the sauce. Price and quality tends to follow a bell curve, where most of the value is somewhere in the middle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In this case "just as good" is literal considering very few people are going to be subjecting their guns to lifetimes of hard use and those that are will pay premium for guns specifically designed with that kind of use in mind. If I have a Hi-Point that will fail at 5000 rounds that's still the equivalent of shooting a mag a day for two years straight.

      Kel-Tec isn't a gun manufacturer. It's a gun design firm with enough limited production capacity to be self-sustaining.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I think S&W heard everyone's prayers of making KT products with a little better quality for more money, but missed on the first half
      The S&W ones aren't any better quality wise? I haven't heard anything about them, but just figured they would be.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IDK but I've been considering getting one of these and throwing a low power scope and eventually a silencer on it. I have a scope that would work nicely.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gen 1
      You are a good Man/Woman/troony

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bad aesthetics.
    The quality of a firearm means nothing if it isn't pleasant to look at.
    It's simple science.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You say this slightly in jest but it's absolutely true. You're not going to be able to reliably defend/hunt/practice with a weapon if it inherently disgusts you because your forebrain will be too distracted to function under duress.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You ever try shooting a Sub2k and you'll know damn well why.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    On the topic of cheap handguns what's the consensus on Jimenez Arms? I'm looking at getting a JA 9 as my first semi auto pistol (the only handguns I own currently are revolvers) because it's cheap and how it looks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I hope your job doesn't require you to use your hands, because they explode

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just buy a hi point or some shit. They aren't great, but they probably won't grenade in your hand if you accidentally put +P ammo in one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >$175-250 for a fricking Jimenez
      >Hi-Point C-9 is $110 (see: gun.deals)
      Yeah either buy a Hi-Point or save.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they don't. everyone loves them except basement dwellers who have never touched a firearm. hipoint is cheap and has some flaws, keltec is only slightly more expensive but functions damn near perfectly.

    in 2024, i don't even recommend an AR to people buying their first gun, i tell them to get a G2/G3 S2K and a used glock 19. 9mm is way more common than 5.56 now and is less expensive somehow. besides, for most people it's all they need for practice and "oh frick" situations.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >buying their first gun
      > i tell them to get a G3 S2K
      No you don't, and if you do you deserve to be shot for being a moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you tell them to get a gimmicky hackjob with horrifically bad sights, snappy recoil and dogshit ergos? are you trying to get people to not enjoy shooting?

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Love my p32

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based. kinda want one

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        get one if you can. comfy to carry and comfy to shoot

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >i bought the cheap thing and that means im superior but also the oppressed underdog

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if Kel-Tec could use a material other than recycled Florida beach plastic I'd be more inclined to give them my money. I love their designs and that they're doing stuff that's different and interesting, but I've never picked up a Kel-Tec and liked the way it felt.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      how do you not like how they feel they are not bad quality and they are very light
      i have both a SU16 and a KS7 and both of them feel very nice especially for what they are

      I'd like keltec if their guns were reliable and built with a consistent quality.

      KelTec guns are reliable and even if they have problems both KelTec and HiPoint have lifetime warrantys and will fix your gun and make it reliable

      Hi-point could actually be a player in the PDW market if they shortened the carbine and had it use a picatinny stock adapter and switched to ANY other fricking magazine already besides their in house ones.

      the problem with that is i have heard the whole direct blowback system it uses is tuned to the weight of the stock to work properly im pretty sure even the bullpup chassis and stuff come with little weights to put into it to make it still run properly
      im not sure how they make it work with the retro version they are releasing and if that or the current one like i have is more reliable but i think if they made it shorter and put a rail on the back to let people use whatever stocks they want would really mess up the weight and make them run badly

      I have the metal P15. Very snappy to shoot, have some issues with sight drift which were fixed with loctite. Otherwise very reliable. looks cool, too.

      i am glad to hear it is good its definitely big on my list of pistols i want to get
      probably the second place

      they are fine for what they are. i like my sub2k i just dont really shoot it anymore since getting a few ars and other handguns. dont regret buying it.

      i feel like the sub2000 or a CMR30 would be some of the best guns for hiking or exploring caves

      >they make good quality
      Lol
      Lmao

      they do
      even if they are made with cheap stuff they are still good guns and are reliable
      they shoot when you pull the trigger they cycle another round and they fire again if you pull the trigger
      im not saying they are superior to AR15s or AKs but they are definitely not "bad guns"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >i feel like the sub2000 or a CMR30 would be some of the best guns for hiking or exploring caves
        maybe. the first time i ever saw a sub2k it was on gangland in martell hall

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I have no clue how to describe it, but it just feels "cheap" any time I pick up anything from them. I haven't grabbed an SU16 or KS7 so maybe they just used better plastic or something.
        I guess I'll give it another shot since I want to like them.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd like keltec if their guns were reliable and built with a consistent quality.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hi-point could actually be a player in the PDW market if they shortened the carbine and had it use a picatinny stock adapter and switched to ANY other fricking magazine already besides their in house ones.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they are fine for what they are. i like my sub2k i just dont really shoot it anymore since getting a few ars and other handguns. dont regret buying it.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >they make good quality
    Lol
    Lmao

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I fantasize about going to America and buying Lel-Kek guns. There's just something fun about their aesthetic.

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