Why do a majority of shotguns use a pump action mechanism?

Hey /k/, I'm not a weapongay because I'm not allowed to own Firearms, but I have a question.
Why are a majority of shotguns pump action?

Is there a genuine reason, I know that there's semi auto, break action of which there are a good bit- but it's very rare to see a bolt or lever action shotgun in media, and I've never seen one in real life either.

Thanks.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pump shotguns are very cheap to make and very reliable.
    Semi auto shotguns are almost always finicky with ammo. While you can get a semi auto shotgun for a few hundred dollars, the ones that reliably feed the shitty ammo aren’t Chinese or Turk shit.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A combination of price and reliability like the other anon said, but there's also the cool factor and tradition. Pump action shotguns are just pretty cool, and they make cool sounds which is good for the movies. They are also what most people think about when they think of shotguns. The designs are ironic and are associated with all sorts of things which appeals to people.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >pump irl
    Cheap, reliable, can already be borderline semi-auto anyway in the hands of a competent user, large ammunition leads to necessarily low capacity magazines whether internal or detachable so high RoF isn't sustainable anyway, and for most applications you would want high RoF a rifle or even a SMG will be more appropriate so there's not a lot of use case for a semi-auto shotgun nevermind a fully automatic one.
    >pump in media
    More common and familiar IRL so more cultural inertia and familiarity when used in media, and the things that make them practical IRL also typically make them practical for what they're being used to portray in media. Art imitates life, etc. Additionally there's more theatricality that can be utilized with the manual action, and furthermore it's easier and safer in practical effects to use a convincing but harmless pump gun than to do the same with semi or auto due to needing to self-cycle the action.
    >why not bolt or lever
    The IRL prevalence of pump over those other actions since they share the same inherent limitations of pump (low capacity, low RoF) but lever is more complex and bolt is lower RoF. Due to these factors and again cultural inertia strongly associating bolt action with "hunting/precision/sniper" rifles and lever action with rifles endemic to the Western genre thanks to their role in the period of US western expansion/manifest destiny.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but it's very rare to see a bolt or lever action shotgun in media
    Because not a lot were ever made, bolt action and lever action shotguns just don't offer any real benefits over a pump action so outside of a handful or really niche guns no one really bothered with them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      an assload of cheap bolt actions shotguns were made. it wasnt until the modern pump where the bolt locks directly into the barrel examples being 870/500 that pumps became cheap.
      when it was old pumps where the bolt locked to the receiver vs old bolts the pumps were expensive.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As others have mentioned pump-actions work well for shotguns, they are reliable and economical to build. Pump-actions do have a weakness, which is weak primary extraction. They don't have the mechanical advantage of a lever or the camming surfaces on a bolt-action. This is not a problem for shotguns or .22s because those are relatively low pressure cartridges. But it doesn't work so well for high pressure modern rifle cartridges so that's why you see relatively few pump-action centerfire rifles though they are super common for shotguns and rimfire.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > but it's very rare to see a bolt or lever action shotgun in media
      Bolt shotguns tended to be poor man shotguns that were used on farms or for hunting. They were cheap, even more than simple pumps and single barrel break actions. Some bolt action shotguns were made to be dedicated slug guns and can be Finley made but they cost and arm and a leg compared to other shotguns and rifles.
      Lever shotguns have always been finicky and there have only been a couple somewhat successful designs in over a century. The Turks make some for foreign markets that restrict pump guns. There really inane any advantage a lever has over a pump or bolt actuated gun.
      >in media
      Bolt and lever shotguns aren’t cool like pump guns. The sound from the pump gun alone is enticing for viewers.
      Some pump action center fire rifles were made in the latter half of the 20th century for the US hunting market as states began to restrict certain rifles and cartridges in deer hunting. The best known of these rifles would have to be the Remington 760, which was mostly chambered in .30-06.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lever actions in general are overstated in their popularity. Even in their heyday they weren't nearly as prevent as media depicts them. The reason lever action shotguns never caught on is mostly down to nobody making a good one. Bolt action shotguns on the other hand used to be incredibly common, even more than pumps because they could be made super cheap, typically provide better capacity than a break action, and was basically what most farmers and ruralites needed back then. They're not normally depicted in media for two reasons, readability and coolness. Imagine a scene that features a bolt action shotgun, the average audience goer sees bolt action and thinks it must be a rifle but then the guy on screen loads a shell into it, audience is confused but not in a good way. Doesn’t make that cool chk chk everyone is expecting. Also they usually hold 3 shots and are very long, so not a particularly good fit for an action movie (though it could work in a horror film, given its cumbersome size). Now why are bolt action shotguns a rare sight now? Production costs started to go down and average income went up, making pump actions the de facto choice for most people wanting a basic shotgun. Now why hasn't the pump been killed by the semi? Cost and flexibility. A pump will eat whatever 12ga you feed it, most semis regardless of operating mechanism tend to choke with weaker loads like birdshot and beanbag (which is why the SPAS-12 and Benelli M3 exist), plus a good cheap semiauto is in the ballpark of a grand while you can get a Maverick 88 for like 300 bucks any day of the week

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pump/semi hybrids exist and should make up the majority of shotguns now, but gun buyers are morons and keep buying these cheaply engineered pieces of shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but gun buyers are morons and keep buying these cheaply engineered pieces of shit.
      Why is it the gun buyers being moronic when manufacturers aren’t building more of them or marketing existing ones better?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That anon is a clearly a moron. You can get very nice semi auto shotguns right around a thousand dollars now but most people (for good reason) go for a pump shotgun because you can get those for 250-400 any day of the year.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're inexpensive, reliable, and they work great.
    >lever or bolt action
    less than ideal because you have to move your support hand off the foreend in order to cycle the action, though both exist.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm not allowed to own Firearms
    lmao, imagine having one shot at life and not being able to have guns
    >majority of shotguns pump action
    if they are, its not by much. semiautomatic shotguns have outsold pumps in the US more than once in a given year

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Like many anons have said, pumps are cheap to produce and very reliable. Historically shotguns have primarily been used for hunting, not primarily for military/police. What do you hunt with shotguns? Often birds and fast moving game like rabbits. Often you need to make a quick follow-up shot on a bird while still swinging the gun and keeping your eyes on target. Very difficult to do that quickly and effectively with a bolt action or a lever action. Pumps are just fast, smooth, and reliable.
    Are semi's better for that? sure, but usually they're finicky unless they're very expensive. Are Semi's better for military/police? sure, but shotguns aren't a priority in those roles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IMHO police use favors pumps over semis because cops are one of the few people who shoot the kind of ammo that semis don't play nice with--stuff like tear gas or less-lethal ammo like bean bags, rubber buckshot, etc. I've owned several semiauto shotguns over the years and I haven't had any issues with them shooting any kind of hunting or sporting loads. The memes say that it is usually the lighter loads that can cause trouble, but I have put thousands upon thousands of cheapass Federal Top Gun and Rio 7/8oz target loads through my 930, a couple different inertia Benellis (Cordoba and M2), and an M4. I haven't had a chance to try them in the 930 or the M4 yet but the inertia Benellis will cycle Fiocchi Exacta super-low-recoil trainer loads, 3/4 oz at only 1100, which is the weakest "real" 12ga I've ever come across. So even if you're just shooting weak loads for clays or you hunt small birds exclusively I think a semi is fine, so long as it's not turkshit.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it is the best

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    reminder that browning invented the lever action 1887 before the pump action 1897, not because he hadn't figured out how to do it yet, but because winchester thought a lever action would be more marketable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And it still wasn't very popular in its time IIRC, the 1887 really only took off because of Terminator and subsequent media appearances

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Correct, they did work well but they were never particularly popular. They made something like 65,000 of them and then another 13k of the model 1901 (a stronger version in 10ga). Compare that to over a million model 1897s, several million Auto 5's....

        Terminator 2 is the only reason why people are aware of them today.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in Australia, semis and pumps are restricted, so you see every other kind of action here, lever action, button/lever release (semi but have to press a button to cycle), U/O, straight pull and single shot. If you're curious about weird shotgun actions, lookup an Australia gun store website and look at the shotguns sold.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My favorite shotgun related law is that in Austria semiauto shotguns are a Cat B weapon while pumps are Cat A. They're way harder to obtain over there because some crime spree in the 70s got politicians panties in a bunch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I’m a Yankee Doodle dandy with a straight pull shotgun, a Stevens 124.
      Gun is a bit dangerous. After shooting your first shot, upon reload the bolt won’t lock so you have to tap the bolt handle into the gun to lock it. Unfortunately doing this also sets of the gun off.
      Design flaw?
      Prior owner didn’t put it together right? Something broken inside?
      Don’t know, it was cheap and an uncommon sight. Apparently when I was shooting it, the cat urinated on the silicone gun sock and when I put the gun back into the sock it rusted.
      Thanks Muffin.

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