The guns were clapped out from decades of service and needed to be replaced. The French government had closed the Saint-Étienne plant, so there wasn't an option of getting a fresh batch of FAMAS rifles. There were also some problems with modernizing the old rifle design and getting rails on there. So they put out a request for submissions and chose the one that they thought was the best they could get for the money. That happened to be HK's 416 submission. >Alizée posting
basé
>VHS
It was always going to be a long shot. It got eliminated in the first round alongside the SIG MCX and Beretta ARX-160. Honestly kind of odd they got invited in the first place, but it's not a surprise it couldn't keep up with the HK and FN (SCAR-L) submissions.
Wasn't the original first prototype of the VHS based on the FAMAS?
I guess it was a nod to that heritage.
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Way back in its development history, yes. However there's very little, if anything, of the FAMAS left in the VHS as it exists now. It was probably invited (the trial wasn't open submission I think) because it's the only actually modern bullpup made by someone in Europe.
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4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not an ass man but I'd be a liar and a homosexual if I said that didn't stir my lions something fierce
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm the guy stirring this guy's lions, eveyone fucking RUN they're pissed off now
Interesting, I heard they placed second place behind the 416 but that could be wrong info. Do you have the sauce so I can read up on it, I'm interested in seeing who made it to the end and if anyone else got close to matching the 416
So buy one and fuck off with your contemptible "soul" drivel. Weapons are killing tools. You are not a warrior,just some larping homo so what real men use to do real man things will remain completely alien to your personal reality.
The G1 is not NATO standard and the army refused to upgrade to the G2 which basically meant there was no reason to keep production running and now, surprise suprise, they have to buy a gun from Germany.
The arsenal is gone and replaced with a spa, couldn't make new or upgraded rifles if they wanted to. Also I want to know the name of the man responsible for that decision, I want to find him and strangle him for not at least converting it into a museum
The FAMAS was always a kinda shit gun, and the French have been trying to replace it for years. The army held trials, but the AR15 won, and then the politicians nixed the entire upgrade program rather than use an obviously American rifle.
So they held new trials that expressly excluded any American-made weapons. Guess what won? The Diemaco C7/C8... aka a M16A3/M4 that just happened to be made in Canada. That got shut down too.
Finally they gave in an replaced it with essentially an M4 but German.
>essentially an M4 but German.
It's really more 'AR-18 but carbine and German'
Though I seriously doubt that it matters in practical terms.
God I hate that thing and everything about it >Americans realize DI is kinda shitty for practical purposes >Won't use great AR18 derivates like ACR or XM8 because muh retraining, muh costs >HK shoves a piston into AR15 upper to deal with this stupidity >Americans lap it up, used by special forces, used by muhreens >Euros need a new rifle >Oy, what's with the 416? Americans use it to kill Bin Laden and get book deals and shit >Yeah sure
Everything and everyone in this story is retarded. Except for HK who make a tidy buck out of our retardation. They even made the 433 because they thought that maybe someone in Bundeswehr would wise up, but they needn't have worried,
>The army held trials, but the AR15 won, and then the politicians nixed the entire upgrade program rather than use an obviously American rifle.
How very DeGaulle of them.
No new Famas rifles have been made since the early 2000s, there's no going back because the tooling is long gone. They were held together by cannibalized parts and chewing gum for years, and any attempt to modernize them has burned out so the vast majority of rifles in use struggled to accommodate the accessories that the modern infantryman requires. 416s are proven and decent, its not a big deal.
Further irrefutable proof that bullpups are a meme. FAMAS needs a long bayonet because it is a manlet gun, it's like the Baker rifle vs the AR-15 Brown Bess musket.
No more replacement parts. GIAT still has the toolings but the manufacturing line was shutdown decades ago and the rifle is horribly obsolete when it comes to using modern accessories on it, lasers, optics and lights. France also killed their domestic automatic weapons industry because they're massive gungrabbing gays, so there's also that issue.
It is symbolic of decaying French culture. The FAMAS is pure French arrogance staying in service as long as it has. It is more autistic than the AUG. It’s not got superior ergonomics, a quicker disassembly, it’s not as easy to maintain and replace parts, there’s rifle grenade autism, the sights aren’t as good. The selector switch is on the bottom of the stock. Compared to the German American efficiency of the 416 the FAMAS is a steaming pile of shit. The high ROF is cool I guess.
I have never understood the AR muh retraining costs argument. In ww2 we fielded Springfield boltguns, M1 rifles, BARs, .30 cals, M1 carbines, thompsons, grease guns, and shotguns all at more or less the same time. In early vietnam some were still having M1 garands in issue, and m2 carbines, and m14s, and m16s.
I seriously doubt the volunteer force of today is so much stupider than the vietnam conscripts that they cannot fathom the switch from M4s to something else. And even if they struggle I doubt more than 10 people, ever, would die as a result.
It should be as efficient as possible. AR-15 and SAW in same ammo, underbarrel grenade launcher on AR-15 instead of dedicated launcher and pistol, etc.
>VHS
It was always going to be a long shot. It got eliminated in the first round alongside the SIG MCX and Beretta ARX-160. Honestly kind of odd they got invited in the first place, but it's not a surprise it couldn't keep up with the HK and FN (SCAR-L) submissions.
HK gud. FAMAS not so gud.
How exactly? It served France well for decades.
The guns were clapped out from decades of service and needed to be replaced. The French government had closed the Saint-Étienne plant, so there wasn't an option of getting a fresh batch of FAMAS rifles. There were also some problems with modernizing the old rifle design and getting rails on there. So they put out a request for submissions and chose the one that they thought was the best they could get for the money. That happened to be HK's 416 submission.
>Alizée posting
basé
Shame they didn't pick the VHS, it looks like a space FAMAS and would be a fitting replacement by that merit alone
>VHS
It was always going to be a long shot. It got eliminated in the first round alongside the SIG MCX and Beretta ARX-160. Honestly kind of odd they got invited in the first place, but it's not a surprise it couldn't keep up with the HK and FN (SCAR-L) submissions.
Wasn't the original first prototype of the VHS based on the FAMAS?
I guess it was a nod to that heritage.
Way back in its development history, yes. However there's very little, if anything, of the FAMAS left in the VHS as it exists now. It was probably invited (the trial wasn't open submission I think) because it's the only actually modern bullpup made by someone in Europe.
I'm not an ass man but I'd be a liar and a homosexual if I said that didn't stir my lions something fierce
I'm the guy stirring this guy's lions, eveyone fucking RUN they're pissed off now
Interesting, I heard they placed second place behind the 416 but that could be wrong info. Do you have the sauce so I can read up on it, I'm interested in seeing who made it to the end and if anyone else got close to matching the 416
It's just such a shame. FAMAS had soul.
>FAMAS had soul.
So buy one and fuck off with your contemptible "soul" drivel. Weapons are killing tools. You are not a warrior,just some larping homo so what real men use to do real man things will remain completely alien to your personal reality.
>I don't care about anything and caring about anything is GAY
One of those huh, hey alright bro.
I first jerked off to this at like 14 and will probably still be jerking off to it at 50.
>head bigger than ass
NGMI
opinion discarded
The cameraman understands.
You have a brordly taste in women
Low T detected
High M(elanin) detected
That's a boy. Chloe des Lysses epitomized true French womanhood.
>morons and theirs baobab fetish
Literally her hair retard
That's her now.
even hotter
Would.
Still cute. Her daughter is hot too
would
>virgin posts the worst pic they can find trying to convince others to partake in their incel rage
>pic is still pretty
L+ratio lol
>OMG LOOK AT HER NOW SHES LIKE, 30 FUCKING PIG DISGUSTING
>women owe me sex btw
Why are they like this
>OMG LOOK AT HER SHES LIKE, 20 FUCKING PIG DISGUSTNG
>men owe me money btw
Why are they like this
They aren't lol. Stop setting your tinder filter to barely legal and go have a night with a cougar.
>ratio
Where the fuck do you think you are, you fucking tourist? Reddit? Twitter?
Feet.
piedi
France has been shutting down it's domestic weapons production for awhile now. That's pretty much all there is to it
Imagine the smell.
The G1 is not NATO standard and the army refused to upgrade to the G2 which basically meant there was no reason to keep production running and now, surprise suprise, they have to buy a gun from Germany.
No one adopted the G1 you fucking retard. I hate listening to idiots speak about the Famas
The arsenal is gone and replaced with a spa, couldn't make new or upgraded rifles if they wanted to. Also I want to know the name of the man responsible for that decision, I want to find him and strangle him for not at least converting it into a museum
The FAMAS was always a kinda shit gun, and the French have been trying to replace it for years. The army held trials, but the AR15 won, and then the politicians nixed the entire upgrade program rather than use an obviously American rifle.
So they held new trials that expressly excluded any American-made weapons. Guess what won? The Diemaco C7/C8... aka a M16A3/M4 that just happened to be made in Canada. That got shut down too.
Finally they gave in an replaced it with essentially an M4 but German.
got any links on these rifle trials?
Technically speaking, the C7 is more of an M16A1E1 with a hammer forged barrel.
>essentially an M4 but German.
It's really more 'AR-18 but carbine and German'
Though I seriously doubt that it matters in practical terms.
God I hate that thing and everything about it
>Americans realize DI is kinda shitty for practical purposes
>Won't use great AR18 derivates like ACR or XM8 because muh retraining, muh costs
>HK shoves a piston into AR15 upper to deal with this stupidity
>Americans lap it up, used by special forces, used by muhreens
>Euros need a new rifle
>Oy, what's with the 416? Americans use it to kill Bin Laden and get book deals and shit
>Yeah sure
Everything and everyone in this story is retarded. Except for HK who make a tidy buck out of our retardation. They even made the 433 because they thought that maybe someone in Bundeswehr would wise up, but they needn't have worried,
>The army held trials, but the AR15 won, and then the politicians nixed the entire upgrade program rather than use an obviously American rifle.
How very DeGaulle of them.
No new Famas rifles have been made since the early 2000s, there's no going back because the tooling is long gone. They were held together by cannibalized parts and chewing gum for years, and any attempt to modernize them has burned out so the vast majority of rifles in use struggled to accommodate the accessories that the modern infantryman requires. 416s are proven and decent, its not a big deal.
Further irrefutable proof that bullpups are a meme. FAMAS needs a long bayonet because it is a manlet gun, it's like the Baker rifle vs the AR-15 Brown Bess musket.
No more replacement parts. GIAT still has the toolings but the manufacturing line was shutdown decades ago and the rifle is horribly obsolete when it comes to using modern accessories on it, lasers, optics and lights. France also killed their domestic automatic weapons industry because they're massive gungrabbing gays, so there's also that issue.
garden gnomes
>Lust provoking image
>Timewasting question
lmao
It is symbolic of decaying French culture. The FAMAS is pure French arrogance staying in service as long as it has. It is more autistic than the AUG. It’s not got superior ergonomics, a quicker disassembly, it’s not as easy to maintain and replace parts, there’s rifle grenade autism, the sights aren’t as good. The selector switch is on the bottom of the stock. Compared to the German American efficiency of the 416 the FAMAS is a steaming pile of shit. The high ROF is cool I guess.
I have never understood the AR muh retraining costs argument. In ww2 we fielded Springfield boltguns, M1 rifles, BARs, .30 cals, M1 carbines, thompsons, grease guns, and shotguns all at more or less the same time. In early vietnam some were still having M1 garands in issue, and m2 carbines, and m14s, and m16s.
I seriously doubt the volunteer force of today is so much stupider than the vietnam conscripts that they cannot fathom the switch from M4s to something else. And even if they struggle I doubt more than 10 people, ever, would die as a result.
It should be as efficient as possible. AR-15 and SAW in same ammo, underbarrel grenade launcher on AR-15 instead of dedicated launcher and pistol, etc.
>ratio
>nails
Cringe
>Tu n'es pas obligé de me dire ce qui s'est passé, mais tu dois manger ça.
This one's even worse, nobody dressed like that in the 19th Century
>aristocracy
Exact opposite of the aesthetic these people are attempting
Gross
What's the point of these posts?
They're paid shills for the French cottagecore industry.
So now even the French run online shilling campaigns in your shizo head?
usually right wing conservative aesthetics
>muh hyberborea guise
>ve mvst retvrn yadda yadda
She can measure my eggs any day.
Fake trad, this is no different from a duckface taking a shot for her instagram.
And to think we almost got the NUMAS
>almost
Lol no. It got canned in round one. See
why does it look so busy
>France adopting German gun
I thought frogs were too proud to adopt foreign shit?
Thinly veiled french weapon thread just to spam some boring has-been singer
because they are le cringe. same reason they gave up the double buckle boots and cce camouflage. cringe is a holy virtue in europe
go to sleep Ian