Why did the USA drop the second nuclear bomb? Wasn't one enough to fore japs to surrender?
Why did the USA drop the second nuclear bomb? Wasn't one enough to fore japs to surrender?
Why did the USA drop the second nuclear bomb? Wasn't one enough to fore japs to surrender?
haha look he typed it in all caps and swears and is angry how funny yet patriotic and awsome
Yes, now smear shit on your face to stick it to America pajeet
Whose business is it to ask? America wanted to drop the second bomb, so America dropped it. Can you read America's mind? Do you know America's intentions?
pretty much this
kek reads like a edgy 17 year old fanfic
To answer your question:
>The Soviets were about to invade Japan and if not stopped them, roll over the USA and conquer Europe from Moscow to Porto.
>Americans are scares shitless of this happening
>They drop 2 nukes to show the Soviets that not only do they have the capability to annihilate Moscow, but they have an unknown number of these bombs. For all the Russians know, the US could have 50 of these.
>Russia backs off
>The cold war begins
If you truly believe any other reason, you should read more.
>USA was scared of being beaten by a country that had just come out of a giant defensive war they only barely won because lend-lease provided 100% of their logistics
Sure. This is like those people saying Ukraine will use all that NATO equipment to invade Europe
>how do i somehow make this about something else, because I know nothing of history
Cool story kid
Says the guy spouting tankie propaganda.
>more internetcoolguy buzzwords
Have you even opened a book on the matter?
Complete fantasy
You're the only person in the world who believes this. Your brain is damaged.
>read about Japanese being savages
>agree with him about it
>read "rape-houses"
>think "based, maybe they weren't so bad after all"
Many such cases
No pity for a bunch of sadistic little bugmen. Someone should make a movie about this guy's horrible fate.
This is kind of inaccurate.
Reasoning that "Boo hoo Japan so Bad and evil" was never taken seriously.
Bombs were meant to wrap up japs, and to show the soviets that Uncle Sam has some tricks up his sleeve and that he means business. Later on everything was focused on that conflict.
Japanese Scientist from Unit 731 were brought on to America to help with research. that alone proves that no one really cared about moral aspects of the war.
There were a lot of reasons.
>Wasn't one enough
No.
>Why did the USA drop the second nuclear bomb?
because the japanese didnt unconditionally surrender
>Wasn't one enough to fore japs to surrender?
japanese assumed that they only had one bomb because they were leaders of atomic research pre-war and knew how hard it was to make a bomb
the second bomb arrived shortly after a prisoner lied that the americans had hundreds of nuclear bombs
the soviet invasion of manchuria dashed their hopes of stalin acting as an impartial mediator
the bombs gave them the opportunity to unconditionally surrender without losing face, as they could just point to the bomb as an excuse and say "we did everything we could"
>because the japanese didnt unconditionally surrender
They didn't after the second one either. They offered the same conditions after the first nuke as they did after the 2nd nuke. So why no third nuke?
>They didn't after the second one either.
in the end, they got exactly one condition, the emperor wouldnt be deposed
but in terms of actual material and land it was unconditional with no holdings or overseas territories retained
Between the first and second bombs they were trying to figure out what had happened and shortly after they did, they tortured some poor pilot until he told them the US had a hundred bombs like them.
Proud to be an American.
they weren't the same though.
jesus how long will those myths perpetuate, dropping the bomb had nothing to do with japanese surrender and it wasn't the intention of the USA either, they dropped the bombs just to use the opportunity to test this new weapon on live targets. literally 100% of historical documents confirm that, on both USA and Japanese sides. Only after the war the narration about trying to save lives by ending the war earlier was invented
t. moron
Actually Truman just wanted to show the bomb off as a warning by flying the plane low. Unfortunately the bomb was too heavy for the plane so it fell off on the first flyby. That's why they used a lighter bomb the second time around so it wouldn't happen again, but unfortunately the plane was too tired to carry it and whoops ie doodle dropped a second bomb.
At that point the US called Tojo to explain what happened and everyone agreed to end the war and had a big laugh about it we have been friends ever since 🙂
>literally 100% of historical documents confirm that, on both USA and Japanese sides.
Then post some
Had to make sure they knew we could build more of them.
>The Japanese nuclear physicists were no idiots, and recognized the difficulties. When the Japanese leadership was called together in the presence of the emperor, a few days later, to debate whether to accept the Potsdam terms in light of the bombing of Hiroshima, they came informed by their own scientists that so vast were the difficulties in producing a uranium weapon that even rich America could hope for no more than about one a year—hardly decisive.
>The bombing of Hiroshima by a nuclear weapon was a shock, but a recoverable shock—there would be no more such weapons for at minimum before the start of the invasion.
>Then the news of Nagasaki was delivered to them mid-meeting.
>Nagasaki was different—it was a plutonium device, of much more complicated and speculative manufacture. But it generated a much, much higher yield for the same amount of fissile material—meaning they could be mass-produced.
>Then the news of Nagasaki was delivered to them mid-meeting.
>mein emperor...
>mein emperor... Kesseki didn't have the bullets to shoot down the nuke... Nagasaki is gone... It's over...
>me le city, it was nuked
>Then the news of Nagasaki was delivered to them mid-meeting.
I swear reality has a sense of humor
>In early August 1945, Imperial Japan still controlled more human population than Nazi Germany had at its peak. In the Japanese-occupied territories, approximately 200,000-400,000 war-related deaths happened every *month* (higher end figure by UN immediate postwar tallies).
>Time was blood. Every day of delay meant ten thousand deaths.
>If the US chooses some other strategy to try to end the war short of the twin bombings, it must justify the extra time lost to the hundreds of thousands of Asians whose lives would be less valuable to the American planners than those of the Japanese.
Beautifully put, I want it framed so I can show it to every homosexual who spews that nuking Japan was unnecessary.
>~ 300.000 war-related deaths happened every *month*
Man, war is hell.
people forget that violence and war is part of the reason you have what you have
Everyone loves to ignore all the people Japan was murdering, and the deaths from famine were only accelerating. I have never seen a single motherfricker respond to with an argument to this type of post when made. Everyone is more than happy to say frick US lives but are silent when it's brought up all the occupied deaths.
I read a good one the other day that Japanese doctors were amputating prisoners limbs are trying to reattach them in funny ways
They performed every kind of fricked up degenerate torture you can imagine on prisoners. My grandpa was one of the poor bastards who had to handle cleanup at the Fukuoka POW camp right outside of Nagasaki and the shit he saw there would turn your hair white.
And yet none of the scientists from Unit 731 were ever charged with anything. America really wanted their research.
Chinks aren't people tho.
they also killed many filipino people
The chinks following before the Koreans are so similar to the Japs genetically that they are often difficult to seperate via dna tests. They are only .10% different, which is less than the gap between Euro meds and Germans. To hate chinks is to hate all bugmen, which i gladly do, but there’s too many weebs who hold the japs to a higher pedigree because of tranime
>Box Factory
Those are supposed to be AMERICAN JOBS
Also, relatively pure plutonium is far easier to produce than HEU. As a different element, it can be separated from uranium ore through chemical means, rather than with centrifuges or membranes, which are required for separating isotopes. Japanese scientists knew this, which certainly helped Hirohito buy the bluff that there were hundreds of Bombs.
>Then the news of Nagasaki was delivered to them mid-meeting.
Please give me source so I can properly dunk on the whiners and moaners.
All good arguments, didn't know it's asked so often people have saved responses for that lol
>reason:
funmy
I've posted on this so many times that I can't be bothered to go through it again in detail.
The Japs were planning a surrender but political frickery and a palace coup delayed the surrender. From the American perspective, Japan was ignoring their threat so they dropped a second to show they were serious.
Pointless tragedy thanks to Japan's military clique.
I was about to say that I have a BA in Japanese and I've never heard about these supposed political complications on the Jap side, but then I remembered that it was an American liberal arts program 😐
Tbf the Japanese wouldn't have told you either. The coup is true.
It's pretty boring. The emperor was in favor of the unconditional surrender per the PD. He then left it in the hands of the government which was still essentially under military control since they needed to have the consent of the leaders of the navy and army to actually do anything, and the idiots kept trying to add conditions to what was supposed to be an unconditional surrender.
If Hirohito just behaved like more of an autocrat OR the morons of the government hadn't decided to throw caution to the wind because they really wanted to get concessions, the second nuke wouldn't have been necessary.
The palace coup occurred *after* Nagasaki. It was in response to Hirohito's decision to backstab the hawks and throw in the towel.
Hitting japanese soil with a second nuke was necessary to show that we had more than one.
The second one probably didn't need to be targeted at a population center of 60000, though.
It wasn't, the primary target was Kokura, but the target there was obscured by a smokescreen and general bad weather. Bockscar, the B-29 carrying Fatman, was starting to run low on fuel, so they diverted to their alternate at Nagasaki and dropped on roughly the site of the Mitsubishi Munitions Plant in the city.
It absolutely needed to be dropped on a Christian city though, just like Hiroshima. Wierd coincidence, that.
We're talking about Japan sweety.
Go be moronic someplace else, homosexual.
>Hiroshima is a Christian city
>Nagasaki is a Christian city
>go be moronic somewhere else
Mormons are delusional.
This fricking bullshit comes up almost every thread.
Hiroshima was NOT a Christian city any more than Kyoto, Tokyo, Osaka, or anywhere else. Find me evidence otherwise.
Nagasaki was certainly more Christian, but wasn't even the originally intended target (Kokura)
Washington is a Buddhist city. It's got temples and everything.
>https://visit-nagasaki.com/did-hiroshima-have-a-high-population-of-christians/
3,000 Christians in a city of 550,000 people. 0.5%, literally transsexual stats.
Obligatory.
>enough to fore japs to
Two to turn hiroburrito into hirodefeato.
Always double-tap
>Rule #2
>The meeting between Oppenheimer and Truman did not go well. It was then that Oppenheimer famously told Truman that "I feel I have blood on my hands."
>Truman later told David Lillenthal of Oppenheimer that he "never wanted to see that son of a b***h in this office again".
>"Never let that fricking cretin into my presence again."
>Truman also referred to Oppenheimer as "that cry-baby scientist."
Strategic bombing doesn't work, it just hardens resolve, e.g. Vietnam, the Blitz, etc.
However, enough total destruction, only achievable with massive air raids or nuclear weapons, does appear to lead to capitulation. The Nazis considered capitulation due to Dresden, but the Allies didn't know this and pulled back in horror from similar efforts later in the war.
The problem with strategic bombing targeting the populace is that it only works for urbanized populations and really only with nuclear weapons. It's also morally questionable at best.
However, my maternal grandfather, growing up in the slums of Depression Brooklyn, joined the Marines at 16 to get out of the poverty. He was out in the East awaiting the order to commence a land invasion of Japan. It's very likely I wouldn't be here without the nukes.
It's funny, I always thought my paternal grandfather was just a psycho, because he was "safe" in the Merchant Marines during the war, only joining the Navy later. My maternal grandfather told all sorts of stories later about boot camp, the slow boats, etc. But he never saw any real action.
My paternal grandfather was a psycho, but he did apparently see a bunch of action. I only learned after he was dead that the Merchant Marines had the highest fatality rate of any role in the US, with all sorts of horror stories about undefended or poorly defended convoys getting raped by subs or air. We did know he was rescued from a sinking ship, but I figured it was an accident. As it turns out, being involved in the Atlantic and Arctic shit storms might have been what turned him crazy.
IIRC America sent a clear, direct warning to the emperor that they had a massive weapon and would use it if Japan didn't surrender.
The emperor declined and America bombed Hiroshima. Then America sent another warning saying picrel.
The emperor declined again.
>Shockedpikachu.jpg
even two weren't enough
If they didn't drop the second nuke I wouldn't have my favorite saying; "I need to drop a fat man on nagasaki" in reference to when I need to take a fat shit.
The bombs were dropped so we'd have things like anime and Godzilla. If we didn't, Japs would be like another Russia and China with revanchism instead of being kawaii.
>The state of work life in modern Japan is the world's biggest corporate Hell
Wasitworthit.jpg
>Japs continue to suffer perpetually
> I get oppai e-girls
Is this even a question?
Great on topic interview.
>dying in battle is honourable
>japs committed war crimes in China
I guess we needed more than one to stop them
>Wasn't one enough to fore japs to surrender?
Had they surrendered yet?
Did we drop the second one after the surrendered?
>Why did the USA drop the second nuclear bomb?
It was both the USA and Britain who dropped the bomb as per the Quebec agreement
Go back to bed Felton.
>Soviets in the Manhattan Project
>Soviets in the Roosevelt administration
Rubberstamping the partition of Europe, which would become a theme in Korea, Vietnam ect.
Short answer: no
Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooo
Two wasnt enough. It took a russian invasion of manchuria to scare the japs into surrender. Japs were the most rabid anti communists on earth and they were absolutely terrified of being brought into comintern
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki provided ample justification for the Japanese leadership to end the war. They could claim not to have been defeated by force of arms, horribly bungled war strategy, etc., but by “cruel bombs.” In the face of the complete annihilation of the Japanese people, of course Hirohito’s government would have no choice but to “accept the Allied terms”—it was the humane thing to do! Of course we always had your best interests in mind, please don’t kill us.
>But convincing the Japanese *government* to surrender was distinct from convincing the Japanese *armed forces* to surrender. This had been the second difficulty seen by the JCS—not merely convincing Japan’s government to surrender, but to convince the military to lay down its arms. Japan still had an army of millions overseas, under orders that any reports of a Japanese surrender were false Allied propaganda.
>And it was doubtful that vague claims of some strange new American bomb off in far-off Japan would convince the Japanese armies in Manchuria, China, the Philippines, Korea, Formosa, and the countless other Pacific islands that the Japanese government had done the utterly unthinkable, and unprecedented, and surrendered to a foreign power.
>Enter the USSR. The USSR had declared war on Japan and, after a brief delay, invaded Manchuria on August 9th, same day as the bombing of Nagasaki.
>The Japanese military leadership had expected a Soviet invasion, and had planned for it. With the best troops on the home islands, the Kwangtung Army could not stop the Red Army. Instead, they devised a withdrawal strategy back to pre-sited fortified “redoubts” where they could wage sustained static and guerrilla warfare for an extended period, bleeding out the Soviets, nullifying their deeply penetrating spearheads, and dragging out the war.
>This is largely what we saw happen prior to the Japanese surrender announcement. The Soviets invaded, and with the exception of a portion of the Japanese force that failed to withdraw in time and was surrounded and crushed near the border, the Japanese withdrawal was largely successful.
>However, the Soviet declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria was an excellent justification for the Japanese *military* on why surrender was necessary. They could understand the Red Army, could grasp its implications, and could accept it as a reason to end the war militarily.
>Thus, the Japanese leadership put out *two* surrender announcements—one to the Japanese public, emphasizing the nukes and downplaying the Soviets, and one to the Japanese commanders in the field, emphasizing the Soviet war declaration and deemphasizing the nukes.
>Thus the role of the USSR in the surrender of Japan—not in the invasion of Manchuria on military terms, not in causing the surrender itself (the only shock was that it had begun a month earlier than anticipated), but in helping convince the Japanese *armed forces* to lay down their arms.
Because they had two.
>Wasn't one enough
Apparently two weren't enough either.
Since they invented anime afterward, I don’t think 2 were enough
To drive home the point
>There's a chance that peace will win the day and you may never see a nuclear explosion
Frankly although the war had to end fast, I think the development and use of nuclear weapons is not the way to do it, compared to just a mass air raid or decapitation strike. People speak of how much people will die under Japan's rule, or how much will die trying to invade the mainland. With nuclear weapons now in existence I wonder how much will die to them in the future in a nuclear holocaust? Only a matter of time before they are used again, the genie is out of the bottle. The cold War could have easily turned hot at the turn of a switch.
I don't remember signing up for this shit. I want to hang the intelligent idiots who made this, as well as the regular idiots who gave them a reason to.
It was an arms race. They didn't make the bomb to end the war. They were afraid the krauts would have it first.
freemason truman intentionally bombed the catholicism center nagasaki
based pedophile eradicator. 2 birds one stone
We already had a thread about this.
>Was the nuking of hiroshima and nagasaki justified?
US had defeated jap army island after island, set up air bases on the captured islands and was firebombing japanese city after japanese city and japan would not surrender and was willing to keep fighting to the last if the US tried an invasion of their mainland. keep in mind the Russians had moved hundreds of thousands of their troop to their eastern boarder and were attacking and defeating the japanese in china, then down the Kuril Islands one after another. Still the japanese would not surrender. The US spent about 12% of its war budget developing nuclear weapons and there is no way the US was going to not use them on Japan. Also the US wanted a show of force for Russian for tensions after the war. Two cities were left alone so the full effect of the nuclear weapons could be tested. The first test in the desert was fat man plutonium type to make sure it would work, but the first test/use of the uranium gun type was when it was dropped for real on japan, but the US was confident it would work. The US only had enough plutonium for two, and uranium for one. After the test, and two bombs on japan the US was out of nuclear ammo, but japan surrendered out of fear of the Russian hoards coming to their mainland.
According to historical documents from the Japanese after the surrender, it took them three days to send scientists down to Hiroshima and report back. Just as the generals were advised of a definite nuclear bomb was used, Nagasaki was struck with Fat Man.
The narrative that the Japanese military was bluffing to see if American had another is incorrect.
It was the military that wanted to continue regardless. Even though the Emperor was about to surrender, the military attempted a coup.
The Emperor's radio broadcast on a record was smuggled out as the coup unfolded. But calmer heads prevailed and the Emperor did the broadcast in person.
The Emperor knew the invasion was coming next. Also they heard the Russians declared war on the Japanese and invaded parts of Manchuria.
If you read all the history recounts from several sides, the picture is clear.
The US had 1 more bomb in hand in August 45. And the ramp up was 6 bombs by Dec 45.
Also the Japanese lost a thermal diffusion Uranium enrichment plant in the previous Tokyo bombings earlier. The sub bound to Japan from Germany surrendered with 900 kg of plain Uranium onboard earlier when Germany surrendered.
Also, the bomb that landed in Nagasaki missed it's target but landed in the tennis courtyard of the Mitsubishi Arms plant where the custom torpedoes were made for Pearl Harbor.
It was not targeting the 15000 Christians in Nagasaki per se.(costs of war).
No. you have to prove you can do it again, or they might think that was the only one you had. Like science, it has to be observable and it has to be repeatable.
americans and their dogs are devil worshipers
where america goes it brings death, Black folks, anal sex and transsexual children
No. It wasn't. Japan had the second-best nuclear program on the planet, and was able to correctly determine within a day how powerful Little Boy was, how much HEU it used, and that it would take several months to enrich enough HEU to make another. That made it far less dangerous than the firebombing and aerial mining campaigns.
The key point to remember is that Japan's leadership thought they could get the US to negotiate if they killed a million GIs (and wounded several million). They were willing to sacrifice forty million Japanese to accomplish this; and that limit was somewhat arbitrary (beyond that point, the internal police had warned that the remainder might revolt).
So, no, Japan was not about to surrender. Heck, they almost didn't surrender after the *second* one. The US was putting out propaganda that it had hundreds of Bombs ready to go, and Hirohito essentially bluffed himself into believing it and surrendering rather than risk losing half his population and having the other half overthrow him.
It was Fat Man--coming only 3 days after Little Boy--that ended the war without far greater bloodshed.
>So, no, Japan was not about to surrender. Heck, they almost didn't surrender after the *second* one
Not really. They convened and communicated they wanted to surrender the very next day after Nagasaki
If you're talking about the coup, I wouldn't say it's right to say they "almost didn't surrender" due to it since the palace coup had a pretty low chance of success. It had no support outside Hatanaka's gang.
it's difficult to talk about ethics in war, but couldn't the US could have nuked a fortress or a garrison instead of cities of mostly civilians who posed little threat?
>Hiroshima was chosen as the primary target since it had remained largely untouched by bombing raids, and the bomb's effects could be clearly measured. While President Truman had hoped for a purely military target, some advisers believed that bombing an urban area might break the fighting will of the Japanese people.
Idk how nuking 100,000 pedestrians would be any more demoralizing than nuking 100,000 soldiers.
>The primary target for the first atomic bomb raid was the city of Hiroshima, with the cities of Nagasaki and Kokura being the secondary targets. They chose these three cities because of the military infrastructure based in and around them.
There had to have been more critical military targets than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>There had to have been more critical military targets than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Like what? The Allies had nearly complete air and naval supremacy, the IJA was hardly going to cluster 100,000 troops together in the countryside, and infrastructure necessarily tends to be located in cities.
Hiroshima and Magasaki had the highest proportion of Christians in Japan. The Khazarian Mafia than run the USA wanted them ritually sacrificed. This is true but you morons are too dumb to believe it.
Nagasaki yes, Hiroshima no. Hiroshima has no special connection to Christianity.
self-defense
Any argument involving the soviet union invading mainland Japan is pure fantasy. They were in no position to do that.
No but dude the USSR once dropped off a few hundred troops off at a mostly undefended port, so they could basically do their own Overlord no prob
The point is japan didn't want to be split between American and Russian occupiers. Russia didn't have any claim to it at this point but if they were involved alongside Americans for a prolonged time you could have ended up with a North and South Japanaruu.
The second one lets them know a 3rd one is likely on the way. As US police say:”STOP RESISTING”