So some guy went and saw the British SAS and thought the us military lacked a force like that. And while I can understand why they would have thought the army lacked such a force, why did they think the military lacked one? Yes, the army rangers are more of a large scale racing force, and SF are more teachers than door kickers, but the navy seals already existed prior to delta being formed. So the military already had a SOF u it that was capable of commando type DA, SR, and sabotage activities.
And then it’s odd how people say the normal navy seals aren’t the equivalent to groups like the SAS and the SBS. But when it comes to it, their training will be very similar as the British SOF units are very generalized like tier 2 American SOF. And the budgets for good ups like delta and devgru dwarf anything the British put in. So the American have far more specialized SOF as in delta and every, and a bigger budget for them. So really most nato countries do not anything that would be the equivalent of delta and devgru.
Delta is a counter terrorism unit. The seals deal with counter terrorism but they don't specialize in counter terrorism. It's why FBI HRT has delta trainers teach them is counter terrorism.
Delta hasn’t been a ct unit since the gwot began.
You're a massive poser
Name one instance of delta performing a ct operation within the last year
I guess SEALs don't specialize in underwater demolition either.
They don’t. Lol. Have you not see how all they’ve cared about lately is land operations? Seals should be called just L’s. It makes more sense than just that they only like giving on land ops too. Lol
PJs don't rescue downed pilots either. Fucking useless.
you realize their operations are classified, right? Besides major ones. They probably do shit all the time in Syria or Mexico or Iraq that we simply never hear about
Explain how ct is different than da
One is specific to terrorist. The other is military targets.
And you need an entire unit to specialize in that? Lol what a waste of money.
Cry about it to congress.
Name one instance of SEALs doing reconnaissance within the last year. Can't? Guess that means they don't so reconnaissance.
You're a massive poser
what are you talking about? they were one of the most deployed units during the war on terror
because we needed a unit (literally called that) that actually does the job well, which is ironic since the first ever mission of delta was an utter failure
The seals were really good at that point. They did great things in Vietnam.
Hardly Delta's fault that a helicopter pilot fucked up and flew into a plane. That's like blaming your dental hygienist for fucking up your order at a restaurant. Yes both involve the mouth, but the two are pretty far removed from what their actual responsibilities are.
IIRC this was the genesis for 160 SOAR
they figured they needed a SF pilot squadron
Well both Navy SOF Helicopter squadrons are gone now, so someone thinks they're not that useful.
Well with SOCOM they can now consolidate all the SOF assets and yes, eliminate redundant capabilities
Cause yeah wtf do Navy SOF pilots do that Army SOF can't? There's just not that much call for picking up boats out of the water
No, I think it's a general shift away from prioritizing SOF now that GWOT is over.
>now that GWOT is over.
AHAHAHAHHAAH
no more GWOT or National Defense ribbon, so yes
They are the precursor to LTD without all the fancy medical intervention and custom gear.
Basically, the government needed someone who could do LTDs job without risking $200,000,000 of years of weeding out the best candidates, RAM implants, eye training, posture refinement, learning to network with their on-board AI, etc.
Most missions don't need someone who can run a 4 minute mile, jump 2m, lift a 1000 pounds, see through walls, have networked targetting, etc. Hence delta.
>LTD
Who?
>So the military already had a SOF u it that was capable of commando type DA, SR, and sabotage activities.
But they didn't have one for counter-terrorism, which is why Delta was created.
Counter terrorism? The seals weren’t capable of that back then?
No they were not.
Based on what?
Their training.
They did everything that counter terrorism entails back in Vietnam. It’s just that the technical term hasn’t been coined yet.
But they didn't specialize in it. A regular infantry unit can do hostage rescue, but that doesn't mean they're a counter-terrorism unit.
Delta doesn’t specialize in ct anymore. Not since the gwot began and they switched to being a high priority DA unit.
No, they did not
Tbh ST1 &2 were more on the "terrorism" than "counter terrorism" side of the coin in Vietnam. No other SF group fucked with terror tactics and psychological warfare quite as much as the SEALs, that's also why they made such a big proportion of Pheonix group despite being by far the smallest special operations unit at the time.
>more on the "terrorism" than "counter terrorism"
tomato tomato anon
Bruv, if Russians were doing DAs on American houses like Americans did in Iraq, they’d be called terrorists.
Maybe they didn't want gloryhounds writing four books a year about US secret counter terrorism ops?
You really don’t understand that the navy has encouraged seals to write those books for publicity? Did you not know that socom is navy seals game was funded by the navy? Or act of valor the move?
What's that thing attached to the stock of the gun?
Early model Garmin
Jelousy, British SOF clown US SOF
Not really. What have they ever done? The SAS have no real accomplishments compared to American SOF. Rangers and regular seals have far more accomplishments than SAS. Only cod fanboys think SAS are the preeminent SOF unit.
Oh yeah i loved American Sniper and Lone Survivor!
Give me a break, theyre a laughing stock.
Oh boy I can't wait to read insightful comments in this thread about a top secret organization. Surely people on PrepHole know about the inner workings, especially recent actions that are still secret.
t. never even attended a selection process
>t.fat aspiring book writer about killing a gorillion afgans and totally not bailing your friends
That's a weirdly specific guess anon, but you swung and missed
Marcus luttrell is a known liar, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities he's not here lying ITT
>>t.fat aspiring book writer about killing a gorillion afgans and totally not bailing your friends
another thing the bongs did first how can burgers ever catch up to them?
Lone survivor carbon copied the cope in that book.
>SAS dont shoot the goat hearders they raise alarm, get fucked over.
>Seal Larp 6 hey thats totally viable lets say that happened to make ourselves look even less retarded
Then that video got released and showed how utterly shambolic that operation was.
quiet you. Too many INGERLAND bongs on this board now.
And you're retarded.
Both of you, go to your rooms
British SOF is the biggest larp in history, it's even worse since COD MW started glorifying it. British have always been a clown infantry that got demolished by krauts and frogs for a millenia straight, stick to boats Nigel.
>amerilard education
>COD MW
Nah just the relentless success that is the British special forces year on year shitting on clowns internationally without all the cringe movies and the ptsd hero larp
seals and delta don't really overlap at all, which just goes to show how fucking little you know about this subject. Just read the wikipedia page ffs.
Delta is SF, yes, but also it has CIA in its DNA. Lots of plains clothes spying type stuff. One of Pat Mac's rare stories he told about what he did in Delta, was literally just driving around East Germany in a disguise spying on shit. SEALS don't get anything like that in their training as far as I know. They're more of the guys you drop on a boat to kill its occupants.
Delta probably does assloads of spooky shit we never heard about. Meanwhile every time a SEAL farts we get a novel out of it
>One of Pat Mac's rare stories he told about what he did in Delta, was literally just driving around East Germany in a disguise spying on shit.
SF does this too.
Lol no
>Even rangers
No they don't
This was specifically pointed out in Just Cause when US Rangers tasked to look for Noriega were found to be inept in mixing with the locals let alone cultivating humint in an operation that wasn't a full blown shooting war
>Lol no
You're simply ignorant about SF.
I posted a real-life operational criticism
>The British SOF don’t have all these specialized units
The British SOF have a SLEW of special forces units, with many parallels to American SOF but with 1 or 2 unique capabilities
They have SBS who are the equivalent of SEAL SF, specialising in naval direct action and reconaissance
They have SRR who are something like a cross between Delta and CIA SAC, specialising in recon, surveillance and undercover work (they originated in North Ireland where they did most of the undercover shit)
They have the SF Support Group who like 75th Rangers support direct action operations and provide additional JTACs
They have a Joint SF air squadron like 160 SOAR who provide pilots and dedicated helo lift
The Paras have Pathfinders who recon drop zones and provide recon to 16 Air Assault Brigade
The Royals have 30 Commando Information Exploitation Group which provides a number of SF capabilities specialised for amphibious, Arctic and mountain warfare
How did you get a picture of my dad?
I inherited that room, complete with Demons wallpaper.
Every SOF unit does this lol. Even rangers. Lol
Think I remember that story and it actually pre-dated Delta.
>One of Pat Mac's rare stories he told about what he did in Delta, was literally just driving around East Germany in a disguise spying on shit
Delta does some light spy stuff and are trained in it, but Pat Mac's story in particular was from a unit he was in before Delta. The stay-behind SF stuff.
As for why was Delta created, the man who created wrote the fucking book explaining it. Seals were nowhere near as competent back then
It wasn't Delta's failure. Many of attached elements went on record saying they are confident that Delta would've completed the mission if they were capable of getting them there in the first place.
>a unit he was in before Delta
Blue Light?
>Seals were nowhere near as competent back then
the Navy wasn't interested in doing the Army's job so the Army had to setup their own
O.G. Delta was more or less copied direct from SAS
Blue Light was an ad-hoc unit that existed very temporarily (for about two years) and it was formed when Delta got the green light to build itself up, and it lasted until the day Delta finished its first capability exercise for the upper branch.
Pat Mac was as green beret, who was then recruited for a different unit (unclear which one, the one who did the stay-behind stuff), which which unit he did the soviet spying in Germany. And only after that he went to Delta. He didn't do a whole lot for Delta either, he deployed to Bosnia (where they largely did nothing, zero combat missions) and he missed most of GWOT stuff, iirc he was an OTC instructor and only went very late into Iraq/Afghanistan when it was almost done.
McNamara served in the Physical Security Support Element-Berlin before he joined Delta
fuck short bus operations
Why do we need SEALs when we have Green Beret dive teams?
One specializes in it, the other does it on the side.
sf rekts seals by just doing it on the side.
https://www.army.mil/article/270372/green_berets_win_competition_as_best_combat_divers_across_special_operations
A shitty football team can beat a good football team too.
Sf is just more competent as a SOF unit. If the seals can’t even be the best in maritime ops, they are a joke.
Not according to the retard in this thread saying the SEALs already perform the duties of Δ.
Explain what delta does that nornalnseals weren’t already doing. Don’t say something like counter terrorism. Explain what it is that delta does as a mission. Explain the types of missions that have seals don’t train for. Not just that delta is more competent or specialized in, but something that seals were not doing before.
Killing terrorists on airplanes.
The phrasing of this makes it sound like a question at a congressional hearing.
nta but to be honest, it says a lot when you have to phrase your question like that to get a straight answer
what delta does that nornalnseals weren’t already doing.
Keeping their mouths shut
Simply put.
It's small unit tactics in confined places that require infiltration to prevent harm to hostages. They're mission set is literally to attack and preserve as much innocent life as possible. SEALs can do that but that involves removing any all uncertainty training unless you want to have them in training for an ungodly amount of time. SEALs are trained in tactics that aren't needed in hostage rescue, like water infiltration and ship boarding. Delta is trained specifically to be quick, be quiet, kill/arrest combatants, and save hostages.
It really shouldn't be this hard to wrap your brain around the concept that SEALs aren't trained as SWAT on steroids.
I get you like SEALs but they're not the end all be all of SOF.
And yet the idea of why delta was created was because they saw the SAS. The SAS is no a counter terrorism hostage rescue specialized unit. They do everything. The British SOF don’t have all these specialized units and yet they are considered the best. Many nati countries just have one SOF unit and they are considered on par with delta and devgru. They are not specialists but generalists. So in a sense, seals already existed as an all around SOF unit like the SAS. The seals already did cqb. They already did hostage rescue. So this idea that beckwith had that the military lacked a unit like the SAS is wrong. It was just that the army didn’t have anything like that. Maybe at the time he was a aware of the seals as they were a classified unit. Or he was just ignorant. Or he was just wanting to compete with the navy by creating an army version of the seals.
>Many nati countries just have one SOF unit and they are considered on par with delta and devgru.
That's simply not true. No one is as qualified as American SMUs. For example, everyone in the SAS is not HALO qualified. The SAS has specialized units like regular US Army SF. And if they are HALO qualified, they do not get to practice it as much as Americans do because their budgets are smaller.
>Not just that delta is more competent or specialized in, but something that seals were not doing before
You're a retard for not recognising that different SF units have different specialisations
Inb4 they should all be just "infantry" cause what's the fucking difference, specialisations aside
SEALs focus on ocean diving, SF focus on inland waters. Not say they both can't operate in all environments, just saying they focus on certain areas.
because delta is ready when you are
What's strapped to his stock?
>spend years trying to get permission to create Delta
>ragequit after the unit's first operation goes to shit
The fuck was his problem?
Sometimes people just can't cope
israelites like you backstabbed him
homosexual
>Spend 6 months setting up target
>Fednagger spooks from Langley show up and put XO's balls in a jar
>Fednaggers setup screens like autistic kids after watching the Matrix
>Fuck everything you've done in the ass and let target elope
Modern US military is pure MIC+ZOG horseshit to test weapons and milk taxes. We're in a perpetual state of blowback from autistic homosexuals who suck ZOG cock all day long.
>schizo manchild accentuates his cringepost with 40cringe meme
you need to go back
Whats zog?
Which branch has the ZOG force? What does ZOG stand for?
>What does ZOG stand for?
Zelensky Owned Gerasimov
>why does the army want something that the navy already has
Do you really have to ask? If allowed each branch would have their own air force, navy, army, and space force, including domestic police.
“The military” is not a single entity but multiple groups competing for the same pile of money
The military should have added another branch just for special forces like Poland has
There is, it's called SOCOM or Special Operations Command
Ya that’s not the same. That’s a command. It’s not a separate branch. It would make it far better. No more of branches making redundant SOF units just to compete for resources within socom.
>It would make it far better
lol
lmao even
SOCOM functions to pool SF resources and rationalise redundancies, it does everything you want it to
you're the biggest larp in history armaturd
Delta did things that were covered by black budget and worked counter terrorism. It gave them relative rapid response times and little red tape. There's always a couple thousand deals. Delta has like 300 total
Most likely the spookiest are in the secret service "death squads" now. They are like the president's private 300 that he's not totally in charge of.
A secret service agent bodied Donald Trump on January 6 2020 to prevent him from trying to hijack the limo to drive yo the capital to meet the attempted coupers and was actually rewarded for it.
That's the kind of free reign they have. They can say no to the president then beat the shit out of them and it's all good.
None of that ever happened, just like your holohoax
Delta will recruit out the seals, younwill NEVER and I mean NEVER see it the other way around
>its another butthurt SEALfag thread
>no ITT will point out the difference in being a diver, a point alone which kills the entire argument and thread itself
>no ITT will understand because they're all fat and stupid, because this is /k/
>t. unable to read
Seals do shit in the water and delta does shit on dry land. Both have some capability to do either but they're largely specialized for their main roles.
Just because