Why did the Marines take my brother from me?

Yes, this is serious. Why did the US Marines fuck up my brother? He used to be everyone's favorite, always happy, friendly, had purpose. Was in JROTC. Had big visions of what the Marines would be like. Drank the koolaid, I guess. So he enlisted and was doing some boring heavy equipment jobs in different spots in Europe. Comes back after 4 years enlistment a totally different person. Entirely disillusioned, boring, uninterested in anything. Drinks a lot and eat like shit and is severely underweight and spends literal 18 hours a day on a screen, leaving only for fast food. Had a shitload of money saved up but doesn't have the energy or care to spend it.
>your brother was just weak!
Maybe, but this isn't an isolated incident. Veterans of all branches are infamous for being fucked up, suicide rates and drug usage, PTSD etc.
What exactly is it about the military that ruins people? Is there hope?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah its called 'spending 4 years having every day planned out for you and you never have to think about the future then all of a sudden getting discharged and remembering you have to think for yourself now'

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is its. no need to read anything beyond this post in this thread. What they don't tell you about enlisting is if you don't make it a career you are gonna be right back to where you were at when you joined, maybe with a little bit of experience in a useful field, unless you were infantry then you're fucked. The best thing i can say is grow the fuck up, get over it, and figure if the fuck out because in the real world no one gives a fuck about you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >clear your mind.
      >clear your mind of everything except fine dining
      >fine dining, and breathing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yep they never tell you that. If you remember that feeling you had after high school where you felt a bit out of it that's what every former soldier feels. Having structure like that changes a man and losing it leaves him aimless, same reason sailors have a hard time leaving the ship for good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of factors could be behind it.
      Maybe he didn't plan for what to do after he got out like said. Maybe he's realizing he's likely never gonna see his buddies from the Corps again and that he doesn't really connect with or care about the people he knew from high school. Maybe he got disillusioned after watching the government waste massive amounts of money and time on pointless bullshit year after year. Maybe he saw people get thrown under the bus by his leadership and it soured him on the whole "honorable service and camaraderie" thing. Maybe he's realizing he has no prospects in the civilian world after idolizing his cool senior Lances who were gonna EAS with no fucks given. Maybe his unit got thrown under the bus by a career-chasing officer and he realized they were all like that. Maybe he did shitty 12 hour shifts of some menial task or another for 6 days a week his whole career. Maybe he just misses it and regrets getting out.
      The military does a fairly shit job of setting people up for success afterwards, even with stuff like SFL-TAP and equivalents and the GI bill and all the rest, because it institutionalizes people and makes them dependent on its structure for meaning and purpose. It happens to both those who get out after one contract and those who retire at 20 years - they struggle to fit in to the world because they're used to having a regimented schedule, work that they're told is meaningful and valuable and worth doing, values that every member of their organization shares (at least, on paper), and a common set of cultural experiences, expectations, attitudes, and touchstones they can use to connect to others with. Once that's gone they have to figure it all out for themselves.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The military does a fairly shit job of setting people up for success afterwards, even with stuff like SFL-TAP and equivalents and the GI bill and all the rest, because it institutionalizes people and makes them dependent on its structure for meaning and purpose. It happens to both those who get out after one contract and those who retire at 20 years - they struggle to fit in to the world because they're used to having a regimented schedule, work that they're told is meaningful and valuable and worth doing, values that every member of their organization shares (at least, on paper), and a common set of cultural experiences, expectations, attitudes, and touchstones they can use to connect to others with. Once that's gone they have to figure it all out for themselves.
        Honestly I also think the military just plain physically doesn't always do a good job of thinking about soldiers' futures. It'll load up young men with 80-100+ lb loads that WILL cause long term permanent damage when they're older, expose them to all sorts of toxins that got easily phased out in the civilian world decades ago and not because of some special need but just because military is exempt from the same rules and doesn't think about it. Everything you say is true as well but sometimes people are just plain left kind of fucked in some way in their bodies not just their minds.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >about soldiers' futures
          Neither do the soldiers. I hear their conversations, they are age 25 and talk about the same shit a 16 year old talks about. Fuck 'em.

          -No concern for their finances
          -They want kids but have no plans besides "I dunno, they can just join the military like me"
          -No realization that fucking up their health with bad diets and bad lifts forces them to rely on the military medical enterprise that they already hate, hell fuckers brag about it and then cry to mommy when the VA/military medical makes them worse off
          -No focus on education besides going for the subjects with the least homework, which forces them into low value career fields where they compete for little money (cough Criminal Justice) or money flow that lasts for a limited time scope

          These people aren't victims, they toss themselves off a cliff for the 2-6 year enlistment while demanding everyone else make the same shit life choices they are making (I bought this truck I can't afford, why didn't you/I shacked up with a BPD chick and had a baby with it, why didn't you)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, I like, 80% agree with you. The caveat being that financial literacy amongst the poor and dumb is pretty bad, and the military, or at least parts of it have become our dumping ground for them since the end of the draft, and it does do heavily the we-decide-your-life thing. So I sort of feel like it'd be cheap and a good idea for the military to force them to learn some numbers and set up trusts and retirement accounts or something and really push them to use 'em. Some would ignore all that anyway but some would pay attention. I'm not talking about spending more money on it, on the contrary I think it'd be helpful on the taxpayer long term.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but part of that will never go away no matter how much you try to mitigate it through conditioning or medical access. You're not gonna be able to lighten the loads in a combat zone or ask the enemies to stop shooting carcinogenic rounds at you.
          It is true that most parts of the DoD struggle to implement good physical conditioning and strengthening programs, outside of SOCOM, as most of the time programs are made by unqualified, uneducated personnel who don't know the difference between a workout that causes fatigue and an effective workout, or who are simply filling a block of time every morning because it's required. I've never seen a PT program that meaningfully measured progression over time during my career, though to be fair I've only ever been in the Army.
          Besides direct physical stuff like exercise and conditioning, the military does a shit job at promoting health among service members in general - look at the drinking culture among all junior enlisted regardless of branch, the easy access to shit food at the PX, the generational poor financial and social skills leading to the kind of life decisions that

          https://i.imgur.com/OWu5uaS.jpg

          >about soldiers' futures
          Neither do the soldiers. I hear their conversations, they are age 25 and talk about the same shit a 16 year old talks about. Fuck 'em.

          -No concern for their finances
          -They want kids but have no plans besides "I dunno, they can just join the military like me"
          -No realization that fucking up their health with bad diets and bad lifts forces them to rely on the military medical enterprise that they already hate, hell fuckers brag about it and then cry to mommy when the VA/military medical makes them worse off
          -No focus on education besides going for the subjects with the least homework, which forces them into low value career fields where they compete for little money (cough Criminal Justice) or money flow that lasts for a limited time scope

          These people aren't victims, they toss themselves off a cliff for the 2-6 year enlistment while demanding everyone else make the same shit life choices they are making (I bought this truck I can't afford, why didn't you/I shacked up with a BPD chick and had a baby with it, why didn't you)

          brings up, et cetera. Hypothetically, these issues could be mitigated by the DoD, but I doubt they ever will.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Usually because they lose that authority figure above them micromanaging them to PT and work.
    And your brother is a weak bitch that lacks the capacity for self determination.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably also crayon poisoning is a factor as well.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A worn out meme.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >worn out
          Something crayons around Marines will never become.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            my sides anon, thank you

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your brother sounds like a gay.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your brother drank the kool-aid that hard and became a pog logistics guy? Really? And it sounds like it's your brother's problem, what was his MOS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >MOS
      I don't know anything about terminology. They called it engineer I thought he expected to be building autoturrets but just ended up driving a dozer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Probably heavy equipment operator. Shame. Should've gone infantry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Where did he go to bootcamp? Where was he stationed?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know and I probably wouldn't say. He was in Europe though, he had some cool stories from there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See your story reeks of bullshit to me. Its not classified where you go to recruit training, West Coast or East Coast, and someone as motivated as your brother would talk your ear off about how his particular one is the better one, as well as his MOS, which is fucking weird he would be a POG instead of going recon or inf. Also staying 4 years in Europe as a Marine is fucking bizarre

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I know where he went, and he moved around
              obviously, there's no need to spill the beans to random people on the internet, it's not that important anyway. I honestly don't care if you think this entire thing is BS.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I see, it's bullshit
                Gotcha

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It’s pretty much impossible. Only way I could think of it happening is if he got stationed in Norway or one of the EU commands (as a fucking boot), but why the in the Sam Hill would they want a heavy equipment operator? The Euros got their own guys to do that and he sure as hell wasn’t part of AFRICOM. This story with so few details reeks of bullshit

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I was thinking the same when reading it, now I'm all but certain OP's bullshitting.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Could be that his brother spent 4 years on North Carolina, and going to Europe on a training OP was the only interesting thing he did and so all he would really talk about.

            • 1 month ago
              Sieg

              My dad was in the military I don’t know where he was stationed where he went to boot camp what his rank or mos was

              What’s the exact job title of your third ex girlfriend and where exactl did she work and what hours

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't know anything about terminology. They called it engineer I thought he expected to be building autoturrets but just ended up driving a dozer.
        how the fuck does he not have a construction job making fucking $BANK as a equipment operator?

        those motherfuckers get absolutely $PAID

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I thought he expected to be building autoturrets
        real life isn't Team Fortress 2

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >building auto turrets
        COWBOY UP

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        hah damn your bro actually picked up a MOS that has applicable use outside the military and he still is fucking around, that's pretty sad, he should unfuck his shit and go see a therapist so he can then go make huge $$$$ being a heavy equipment operator in the real world

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he was likely utterly demoralized the entire time and only now is forced to contend with it now that the tempo has ceased. as you can tell, there's little understanding or empathy for this.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >A worn out meme.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >He used to be everyone's favorite, always happy, friendly, had purpose
    Welcome to being grown up, where the future is a desert, the present is an iceburg and the past isca blank. All joy is replaced with dispare, all happiness with cynicism and the best day you can hope for in a total absence of feeling anything. Next year will probably be worse. Enjoy maturity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's, uh, wrong. Sucks that you peaked at 18.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dipshit, I'm 38.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So you're 20 years out from when you peaked?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Did you peak at 18?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you are genuinely serious, then I sympathize with your feelings but the Marines as an institution and the users of this website will not give two fucks.
    If you want advice. Don't allow yourself to simply be the victim. Be a good man and support your family. Stop giving a shit about what Internet retards will say.
    If you really care about the issue, volunteer with the support groups.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >my brother went out and did a thing, explored the world and came back different
    that's life bud
    life ain't fair, and the world is mean
    also muhreens are fucking retards

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your brother just needs something to focus on and work towards. He went from cruising through high school just doing what he was told to do to doing what he was told to do in the Marine Corps.
    Now he needs a job that he can focus on. Tradies are shit on a lot but physically demanding work like welding which at the same time requires concentration and thought to be good at may be good for him.
    Talk him into becoming an apprentice welder at a metal fabrication shop near where you live.
    Welders are usually pretty rough and down to earth which will be similar to his Marine friends who he probably misses.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anudda victim of the MIC, many such cases

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you gay fall for obvious subversion attempts like this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >subversion

      whats being subverted

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What, are you retarded? He trying to portray the US military as something that breaks you. I don't give a shit if you believe that is true or not, but it's pretty fucking obvious that the OP is being disingenuous.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I already pointed out the elevated rates of antisocial behavior exhibited by veterans.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            60% of the Russian army has HIV from gay rape "hazing"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why are you bringing up the Russians? This isn't even a US vs Russia debate lmao. Criticizing one thing doesn't mean you're pro Russia. You fucking schizo

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not that guy, but how fucking retarded are you? You're acting like some guy got ptsd from serving without ever going to war. You can't even come up with a plausible scenario.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >depressed military soldier
    >shows some dude from the airforce sitting down
    Its mainly the lack of direction and the ability to integrate back into civilian life. The military has issues about preparing people back into civilian life after their contract ended along with a shitty VA.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think anyone does a good job preparing people for civilian life.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yea, but since the military has structures of its own that differentiates from civilian life, it becomes an ongoing issue of people not knowing what to do. The only ones that don't have trouble are those that actively prepares by themselves on what to do after they been discharged.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even schools have guidance counselors that helps you in post high school/college life.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If only I had realized that living alone sucks, and that I should have spent more effort in my adolescence building better relationships and doing less cringey shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >air force
      He doesnt have any rank sewn on, nor were coyote boots authorized with the abu pattern uniform.
      The photo is staged gay bullshit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He doesnt have any rank sewn on,
        Could be wearing officer collar insignia not visible in that angle.
        >nor were coyote boots authorized with the abu pattern uniform.
        Those are desert tan boots, the lighter shade, which were authorized with the ABU 2007-2011 during the transition period from BDUs.
        >The photo is staged gay bullshit.
        Yeah you think Public Affairs is supposed to roll up on a struggling maintenance officer like that and take his picture without permission?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That sounds exactly like me.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Get job
    >Become boring, numb and just want to zone out in free time
    >Having money is directly proportional to tiredness

    Yeah having a job is like that.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >spend entire adult life in extremely structured environment with a clear mission
    >leave military
    >now in totally unstructured environment with no clear goal of what to do
    is there any question? he needs to find something to do or reenlist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I used to think those kinds of people were bums when I was in, then I decided to take my DD-214 and walk after 6 years. I wanted to go to school but it didn't work out, and then I started spiraling into being a lazy drunk myself. Shit's no joke, always make a backup plan and listen to your 1st Sergeant anons...

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What exactly is it about the military that ruins people? Is there hope?
    Come and see.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To be fair a lot of people who gravitate towards the military (at least Army/Marines) have some sort of underlying mental health issues to begin with.

    I'm one of them which is why I don't blame the Army for me being fucked up. I basically traded my original set of issues for the ones the Army gave me. I would have been worse off if I never went.

    At least I'm somewhat functional now.

    btw, what did he even do? I mean I went during the actual Iraq war (2003-2006), when did he go? recently?

    Honestly though, I would assume Marines would fuck you up even without the wartime headache just because Marines is by nature designed to fuck you up and keep you fucked up and useful and I've seen a lot of assholes actually look forward to that bullshit which is why I don't feel sorry for Marines.

    People who go into the Army aren't trying to get mentally fucked u where for the Marines that's almost one of the featured rides.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I basically traded my original set of issues for the ones the Army gave me. I would have been worse off if I never went.

      Basically this, I never blame the Army for being fucked up because I was fucked up before hand. You HAVE to be fucked up to join honestly, in some way. If I had allowed myself to be the kind of fucked up I wad before joining Id probably be homeless, no family, on drugs or dead.

      Now Im just on drugs.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like me. Back with the family and I have to pretend that I didn't fuck myself up for 4 years and make poor choices.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What exactly is it about the military that ruins people?
    It's a mafia with ribons and parades, what exactly is so hard to understand that it fucks people up?

    >Is there hope?
    Sure, just like there's always hope that I get woken up by Ariana Grande sucking my dick.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My (sister) went to college in Canada and turned into a fucking chud and doesn't even have savings. Grow up pussy. You don't have it that bad.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Yes, this is serious. Why did the US Marines fuck up my brother? He used to be everyone's favorite, always happy, friendly, had purpose. Was in JROTC. Had big visions of what the Marines would be like. Drank the koolaid, I guess. So he enlisted and was doing some boring heavy equipment jobs in different spots in Europe. Comes back after 4 years enlistment a totally different person. Entirely disillusioned, boring, uninterested in anything. Drinks a lot and eat like shit and is severely underweight and spends literal 18 hours a day on a screen, leaving only for fast food. Had a shitload of money saved up but doesn't have the energy or care to spend it.
    >your brother was just weak!
    >Maybe, but this isn't an isolated incident. Veterans of all branches are infamous for being fucked up, suicide rates and drug usage, PTSD etc.
    >What exactly is it about the military that ruins people?
    It's because your brother didn't get a high enough VA rating.
    >Is there hope?
    If he can accept the fact he wasted 4 years, then yes he can definitely move on and do tech or something.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your brother sounds like a massive loser, if I'm being real with you. How the fuck do you get your hand held for a contract as a POG and STILL fuck it up?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    drop what you are doing right now and go give him a hug

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Do a tour in peaceful ass Europe
    >Come back a shell of a man
    He would've killed himself in Afghanistan.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gay rape is very common in the corps. Cletus and Tyrone ran train on him for four years.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Entirely disillusioned, boring, uninterested in anything. Drinks a lot and eat like shit and is severely underweight and spends literal 18 hours a day on a screen, leaving only for fast food. Had a shitload of money saved up but doesn't have the energy or care to spend it.
    No anon, the corps didn't do this. Life did. You'll get it when you're older

  28. 1 month ago
    T-I-G-E-R-S

    I'm so demoooralised

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No one in the military has a personality. They just walk around saying catchphrases.

    Every interest they have is surface level as fuck when you actually dig.

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