Why did the Leopard perform so badly in Syria?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turks are synonymous with Modern Germans.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        weird cope but ok

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey captured a territory size of Israel by losing like 10 armored vehicles and tanks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Using a tank as a stationary pillbox without infantry support. No tank would have done well there because that's not what tanks are for.
      Or as another anon said

      >Turks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tanks are done.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leopard wasn't good until 2A6 the ones in Syria are older models.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Crewed by literal roaches

      Bullshit, until the mid 90s when the Abrams got tins of upgrades Leo was considered best of the world

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Leos never had any combat experiences until Afghan. Even then, it was merely against lightly armed goatfuckers. This is literally one of the most overrated tanks ever in the history.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          German weaponry is overrated. Only good for selling junk to Russia.

          The seething Bong and the Coping Polak

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Leo was considered best of the world
        Literally all it took to be considered a world-beating tank until the late 90s, was an accurate FCS and a thermal sight
        Leopards have always had a lot more compromises in terms of protection and crew safety, than heavier American and British tanks

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Leo was considered best of the world
        Nah, Abrams was and is better.
        Even now, the Leopard 2 still only uses half of its turret bustle for ammo, only 15 rounds are in blowout panel storage. The rest of the ammo is exposed in the hull.
        All ammo on the Abrams, even the hull bin behind the TC, is blow out paneled.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The rest of the ammo is exposed in the hull.
          So i'm gonna go on a bit of an autistic rant here, but stay with me.
          I know you are referring to the fact that hull storage usually dont come with blow-out panels, and that the crew compartment is exposed to the effects of something Hispanicy happening in the hull bunker. And i'm in no way disagreeing with this or trying to handwave away the blow-out issue.

          But, from a design standpoint, the hull bunker is about the best protected storage that the MBT can have (not the carousel type ofc).
          a) It's placed behind the monolithic front armor package, which while usually of lesser thickness than that of the turret, is one of the most protected parts of the MBT.
          b) Side protection (of the bunker area) is set to stop autocannon and hollow charge rounds. Ofc a main gun round will not care about this, not a heavy ATGM. Same goes for the bustle storage, giving protection against artillery splinters, autocannon and whatnot.
          c) When correctly employed, i.e not parked on top of a hill by a bunch of turks, the MBT will expose as little of itself as possible using the terrain, both when static and during bounding/movement. This reduces the exposure of the hull in particular, and follows wartime and cold-war research which showed most rounds hitting the upper 1/3 of the MBT. This has only increased in modern times with the proliferation of top-attack munitions.
          d) The actual storage are is quite small, only about 1 cubic meter. So the chance of directly hitting it is quite small. This is in contrast with the carousel-type, which while often mounted low in the hull, is usually as wide as the turret basket and covers a significant area between the driving compartment and the engine compartment. A penetrating hit to the turret (the most likely part to be hit) will usually lead directly down to the carousel, something which is less likely to happen on a vehicle with a hull bunker.

          Thank you al for coming to my TED-talk

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're wasting your time. Only tourists and retards care about the relentless shilling about ammo placement and neither know what they're talking about or care.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hull ammo thing is overrated as fuck especially with modern 120mm ammo that's incredibly hard to detonate. But still they should at least give blow out panels to hull ammo storage like K2 did.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              K2 doesn't have blowout panels in the hull

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've seen poles claim the K2 doesn't store ammo in the hull at all.
                These people aren't here to talk about weapons, anon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Leopard 2's hull design is still really stupid for what it is. They could have easily designed a turret with more rounds in the ready rack instead of unprotected, non-blowout and non compartmentalized ammo but instead they went the dumb route.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    driving unsupported tanks into atgm ambushes in open terrain is always a good idea,just ask the 4th guards tank division,or whats left of it

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's shit

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No matter how good your equipment is bad judgement and poor tactics will not save you

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A old friend, wich was in the german army told me that they miss used them,there where made for driving and shooting, not for stationnary fire Positions.they where sitting ducks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like your army buddy was fucking retarded.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So basically a tank that can't take a hit, got it

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why did the T90 perform so badly in ukraine
    why did the Abrams perform so badly in yemen
    tanks need combined arms to be effective

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why did the T90 perform so badly in ukraine
      Retarded design that had staid the same since the T-64 which was meant for amassed tank advance, aged horribly
      >why did the Abrams perform so badly in yemen
      Monkey models with the composites taken out, performed better than leoshit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are just as bad as the vatniks.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kraut junk.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leopard 2a4 are tanks from the 80s, Even Russias t90s and t80s are newer

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really bad armored doctrine combined with inept commanders and crews. Even the best and most modern M1A2 SEPv3 can easily be destroyed if it's just sitting somewhere unsupported.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It didn't. Not a single tank lost to enemy fire.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Syria
    How should I know, I was only in grade school when /sg/ threads were a thing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2014 was 8 years ago

      Goddamn

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tanks are obsolete. Heavy IFVs are the future.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They used them as mobile artillery to provide overwatch from hills, almost as bad as Arabs that think tanks are invincible moving fortresses and send them into urban combat without infantry support.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they? I've seen a handful of destroyed Leopards like OP's pic, but never any concrete numbers.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Monkey model!

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    German weaponry is overrated. Only good for selling junk to Russia.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2A4 isn't some sort of wunderwaffe anymore.
    It's old as fuck and the protection levels against mine and ATGMs isn't adequate. Combine that with unprotected ammo being stored in the hull and you have a recipee for disaster.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >park tank on a hill like a retard
    >gets hit by anti-tank missile
    >THIS TANK SUCKS!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tanks WILL inevitably get hit by enemy fire.
      Expecting it to never happen is retarded and as such a possibility is never taken under consideration when designing a tank,

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but parking it so it can be approached how the attacker chooses just exacerbates its weaknesses and severely limits its strengths.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they were driven and commanded by retards doing retarded things they shouldn't have been doing. Same reason so many tanks are getting fucked in Ukraine, morons forget tanks are but one piece to a greater whole and you can't just send them in alone

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any tank will preform poorly if used poorly

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>Why did the Leopard perform so badly in Syria?

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >its wakey wakey time in poo-land
    >shit threads like these pop op
    seeth, cope, dilate, ywnbaw, rent free, pottery

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pre A5 models have severe flaws in their turret armour configuration. The A5 came about when the A4 was laughed out the late 1980s trials at Bovington (which the M1A1 Abrams won) - the competition never eventually being completed and contracts rewarded, etc, due to Thatcher and MoD flip-flopping on either replacing Chieftain or replacing Chieftain and Challenger.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    overrated tech

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkish army is filled with gulen agents
    Leadership wants to go in Syria, army says no. This continues for months. Coup happens. Leadership must project power. Hastily order invasion. Let commander of special forces command op because no one left. All real kemalists imprisoned years before. Go in. Disorganized. Soldiers use off the shelf tents from Alibaba. buy groceries from regular stores. Muster ragtag Syrian militia force.
    Maybe underestimate enemy a little.

    Honestly, given the circumstances they did pretty well. Once you read into how disorganized the first op was, you kinda wonder how the f they didn't suffer more casualties. No logistics, no aircover, no proper local force, sleeper agents still in army messing up on purpose. Shit show beyond anything I ever read up on. Still won the ping pong though.

    Regarding the tank, it did everything it was supposed to. Was never meant to be shot at with advanced atgms in this particular configuration and circumstances. Some of them were abandoned and later bombed simply because they suffered technical problems. All in all performed liked advertised.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were still fighting Arabs, who are a step below turks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Turkish army is filled with gulen agents
      Turkish hands typed this. Literally everyone else in the world doesn't believe this ominous terrorgroup even exists

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why do you talk about things you dont know anything about?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you actually believe in Gulen agents

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you actually believe in Gulen agents

        Every major party in Turkey, including Erdogan's opposition, believes there are Gulenists who want(ed) to take power through subversion.
        There are Gulenist-run websites and activists across Europe as well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      holy cope

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Assad debuff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want to be involved in an FFM mom and daughter scenario.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that his daughter on the right? She's actually pretty good looking

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She has an IG account
        https://www.instagram.com/zein_alassad/?hl=en

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >https://www.instagram.com/zein_alassad/?hl=en
          Sending my marriage proposal now

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            SIRS, PLEASE DO NOT REDEEM

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was really funny when she used to post pictures of pajeets harassing her and then pose with an AK

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fucking pajeets man. You'd be impressed by their self confidence and boldness, if only they weren't using both to be the most embarrassing degenerates possible.
            It does take serious balls to tell a dictator's daughter that you want to steal his money and bang her silly. But all of that is immediately negated by how retarded the entire situation is and how much of a fucking simp-chimp he comes across for even trying.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw no dictator daughter girlfriend

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              she could pass like a normal girl in here and live a normal life, like my great-grandparents did. I'm from Argentina btw.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is that his daughter on the right? She's actually pretty good looking
        Which is surprising as her father looks like a cartoon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blows my mind that there are still teenagers in the world that worship this guy. He's going to be a prostitute for Iranians for the rest of his life, assuming he doesn't get the Ghaddafi treatment

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I care about unenlightened despotism as much as the next person, but "can't mossad the assad" is pretty catchy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/ps385Y0.jpg

          Blows my mind that there are still teenagers in the world that worship this guy. He's going to be a prostitute for Iranians for the rest of his life, assuming he doesn't get the Ghaddafi treatment

          He also does have one catchy theme song

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think he will get the Ghaddafi treatment as most of the important areas have been secured with the exception of Turkish border and a few Islamist strongholds. I guess being under Iranian influence is a lesser price to pay than getting killed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would like to sexo the wife and daughter

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Assads wife has an Israelin girlfriend.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly his family could pass for Italians or Hispanics

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Raghead crews. Durkas transmute anything they touch into garbage. Like some sort of fecal Midas.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >park tonks on hills, only infantry protection are a bunch of inept Arab militants
    >enemy has at missiles
    >how could this happen??
    APS might have saved some of them but that's about it with this MO

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    US invests lots of manpower and resources to keep their tanks out of harms way.

    - if you do retarded things with Abrams it will also be destroyed - its not invulnerable - no tank is and there always were viable weapons to counter tanks throughout history.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did it?

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name one tank from the 1980s that can survive a hit from a 1,300mm RHAe penetration Kornet ATGM.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As others stated, it really doesn't matter what the strengths or weaknesses of the Leopard are in general. Their faillure falls squarely on the fact that the Turks just messed up in their usage of tanks in general. Had you put an Abrams, T-90 or whatever China has in the same position, and it wouldn't have made a difference.

    It's like someone hammering a nail into a concrete wall with their smartphone. We can talk hours about the brand, quality of production, stats, waterproofness, warranty, etc. etc. But at the end of the day, none of those are the reason the phone is now a splintered piece of plastic and glass. And using the result as a review in order to compare it to other phones is kind of an exercise in futility, since using them as a hammer is not how you're supposed to use any of them.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2A4
    >No CITV
    >Lots of urban combat
    >Lack of infantry support

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Leo2a4 has weak armour and ammo is stored in the hull next to the driver.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the same reason the Abrams performed so badly in Yemen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Show shitty export model blown to hell.
      >Say abrams is bad.
      You should go to school

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody is saying Abrams and Leo are bad, except the retard who made the thread and keeps bumping it.
        Both were driven aggressively and without adequate support and not all crews were adequately trained. And losses were minimal despite that.
        If we take Yemen and Syria as indications that either tank model is bad, that means that basically every Russian tank is nothing but a rolling coffin.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But russian tanks are dog shit, the overrated as all hell t34 is just a bigger copy pf the BT which is just a pre ww2 US tank design and can only stop a few at most 75mm HE rounds from the panzer 4. The KV1 also had huge transmission problems and still gad reliability issues against 75mm AP. That gay posting the abrams IS trying to say the abrams is bad, but these retards can only really find export models or else the abrams would literally either be blown in half or torn to absolute shit in which the crew then has to destroy the tank. The leo really isn't all that in a bag of chips, it does have too thin of armor considering every fuckwit in the dunes tatooine has ATGM or a modern launcher either through governments creating proxy groups like the now FUCKING TALIBAN and ISIS, abandoning equipment, and your pussy allies you trained and equipped to hold their own run like cowards abandoning everything.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Western MBTs have a reputation for being impenetrable but that's only on the front arc, and they use their superior situation awareness and accurate long range guns to kill anything that even tries to get a shot at them from that angle. But if you *can* get at them from the side, usually due to operator error, they'll die to even obsolete weapons.

        ""Monkey models"" with less impressive composite packages still have decent frontal protection, but the exact same side protection.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Right so why haven't abrams or challengers been shooting their turrets up 1,000km into the air to appear bigger against scary RPGs shooting the side? Cause your claim of "just hit it from the side" doesn't work, they literally armored the sides too bud.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not him but Abrams has blowout panels for both its hull ammo storage and its turret ammunition.
            To cause a catastrophic kill on an M1, you would have to penetrate the turret of the tank at the time the ammo doors are open for a reload, which is a 2-3 second long period for a competent loader out of a six second reload. And even that's not guaranteed since the blowout racks are still there and would vent away much of the ensuring fireball and explosion.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              First you'd have to somehow even penetrate the turret which good luck even doing that, if you listen closely you can hear gaigarden gnome and war thunder cucks seething rn.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is that why they were tommycooker-tier in Iraq?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its funny how terrible the Saudis are

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any tank can get blown up these days.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saying its all the Turks fault is abit of a meme given Turkey has infinetly more experience than Germany or any other Leo user out there, how would you know if they would fare better?

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