Why did so many people fall for this thing being any good? It’s had its chance to shine in Ukraine and it just hasn’t. Color me shocked the polish didn’t produce the best MANPADS
Why did so many people fall for this thing being any good?
Why did so many people fall for this thing being any good? It’s had its chance to shine in Ukraine and it just hasn’t. Color me shocked the polish didn’t produce the best MANPADS
Legacy iglas have more documented kills in Ukraine. Starstreak, martlet, stinger all have documented high profile kills. Where the ukranians just not sent a lot of piorun?
Why did you get upset about this in the other manpad thread and make a dedicated one?
Correct legacy iglas probably have the most kills given they are the most numerous and that Ukraine already had those when the invasion happened. Stinger doesn't have more documented kills that the Piorun, it has a potential su30 and a drone kill on video.
Stinger has multiple helicopters killed, and atleast 2 documented cruise missiles. Piorun has one video and no real corroboration from the ukranian
military. Hell, even some pioruns posing with a dead helicopter would be something but there isn’t anything like that.
Piorun has a Ka52 on video, 3x Orlans om video and a Su25 confirmed
Stinger only has a drone on video. The cruises missiles and su30 are literally just there to please the donator.
Nice way to word it so the Stinger doesn't look like a complete nothingburger due to none of its kills being on video and the one instance of a Stinger user standing over a Mi24 that was taken with an Igla.
Unfortunately for you the Piorun has more kills on video than the Stinger. Nice try stingergay but until we see footage of it doing something it's reputation is still based on nothing concrete.
Also 6 replies 3 posters, warriorgay up to his same gayging again Insecure about the Stinger...again.
And yet you can’t post a single piorun video. Why is that?
>Stinger user standing over a Mi24 that was taken with an Igla.
can you back this up? I simply done believe you. If the stinger gunner is posing with his kill that’s as good as it gets. I’ll recant this statement when you post the evidence that the helicopter was killed with an IGLA tho. It’s weird how emotional you get when the stinger gets praise.
It’s me and another guy posting. Sorry you’re the only one that showed up to try and defend piokek
Only you go so hard for the Stinger because your an autistic freak that samegays every thread, you don't even try to hide it like
here
>It's me and one other guy
3 replies 3 posters one is me and your a samegay
Give it a rest for a few weeks pal, you've lost it.
>OP seething so hard he can't even count to three properly kek
>Piorun has a Ka52 on video,
its confirmed starstreak, actually
3 posters itt, 3 replies to my post. Caught samegayging again, you sad, sad little man.
Warrior/armatard is just pathetic honestly
Literally cancer tier threads, cancer replies
Constant "Prooofss??!?!?!" about anything but stinger for literally 9 months now at least.
Kinda pathetic really.
su-30. The fact that stinger was able to get the fasted MANPADS jet kill of the war speaks volumes. Starstreak has performed admirably too but the piorun just hasn’t stood out. Only 2 piorun kills posted itt so far and both were just helicopters
>stinger and hind
Is there a more iconic duo than that?
VDV and a river.
Russians and garbage.
Tank turrets and the moon.
Soviets and radiation is a close second to stingers and hinds
>there are spicy rocks here
>they produce invisible fire
>burns for decades
>doesn't need air to burn- can burn under ground
>big fancy vault made to house this "trash", not treasure
You really expect me to believe this? Preposterous hohol propaganda to try and scare us. I bet they have loads of washing machines in the big safe.
I’m actually pretty upset about this picture. Trying to convince people the stinger hasn’t killed anything was challenging but fun work
Frick yea love seeing stinger kills flaunted. A lot of older Russians having flashbacks to 1986
Nice. I wish more MANPADS gunners would pose with their kills. Would make a nice collage
May I see these piorun kills? It’s understandable if they aren’t on video but can you I atleast see wreckage with a piorun or some kind of MOD press release
>potential
That’s been confirmed by the MOD. He even shared a video of the missile hitting the plane when he made the announcement. Most impressive MANPADS kill of the war so far
There was three pidorun kills last time I checked.
Sauce:
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1584551790762397696
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1530307346362249217
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500516392763801608
First one is a confirmed IGLA
2nd one is a kill
3rd one is just an su-25 exploding, not sure what missile killed it.
>Legacy
Ukraine literally produces own modernized iglas, why would they be legacy?
They aren’t very fond of the IGLA
Old ones-yes. That's why the new ones are manufactured
Proof?
This whole discussion is moronic in multiple levels. No one will ever be able to prove exactly how many kills each system had. Just know that Russian aircraft are dying and leave it at that. I’m sure piorun is just fine
starstreak has zero kills you moronic fricking br*t
Not a Brit. I’m a stinger enjoyer, but the starstreak has multiple kills.
What is this cope? Piorun has multiple confirmed kills Stinger has one.
Can’t find any?
>piorun has su-25 confirmed
Where? I was able to find a stinger kill on an su-25 tho. Stinger has pretty much all the fast jet kills
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/12/7367108/index.amp
>The Guard's calculation of the Stinger man-portable air-defence system destroyed a Russian Su-25 subsonic attack aircraft.
Just take the Pill-orum
Looks like I’ll be the seventh poster. I agree that piorun has been largely absent compared to the other big MANPADS
Seriously, look how the shill came in samegayging claiming all kinds of kills for piorun but when asked to provide proof he has been completely silent. Even strela has some confirmed kills
Shut the frick up you shameless freak
Easy to BTFO someone so emotionally invested in this topic. There’s more than one poster itt that’s a bit disappointed with the pioruns performance
Ok so there’s more than one of you. Not a big deal, piorun has tons of kills. Ukranians actually prefer the piorun to starstreak
Divide and conquer tactics aren’t going to work. We know starstreak is good. It has plenty of confirmed kills but piorun has been noticeably absent from this conflict.
You spend way too much time and effort here dude you must be missing out on alot.
This response doesn’t make much sense. You accused me of samegayging and got BTFO. Is it really my fault you are so emotional over a polish weapons system turning out to not be as good as it was claimed?
Dude read the whole thread you gave your game away already
You do this for free in every thread be it the Javelin Stinger or Bradley. Speak to your parents about it they would be worried.
Ok, what did vatBlack folk do this time?
a news article came out about a "unit" taking 70% casualties.
at least one of them FINALLY had a couple of neurons activate and now they are FINALLY pretending to be the "sick of ukraine threads" types and hall monitor types.
They keep saying everything "off topic" must go leave and PrepHole, sometimes both at the same time.
No creativity when you lure them into a drawn out argument. Full on "these are my only orders on how to argue and I must stick to this line about going back" level stubbornness.
Methinks it's just that one brown autist seething
It’s MANPADS schizo. He did the same thing with starstreak and stinger earlier on in the war. Looks like piorun is his flavor of the month.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1500099189061173249
Hey warriortard still upset about the Stinger being shit I see
Stinger has more kills than piorun, and actual ukranian air defense gunners say they prefer stinger. I’m sorry your samegayging isn’t helping
Ointment sir, for your 4th week of butthurt since the Stinger got called out. How much effort have you put in since then? Think of what you could have done with your life instead.
su-30
Imagine simping for a subpar system like the piorun so hard. Atleast stingergay has a comfortable combat history spanning 40 years to fall back on
I’m the 11th poster itt and I have to agree that I thought the pio would have made more of a name for itself rather than legacy MANPADS getting most of the glory.
Idk maybe because US pumped thousands of stingers into Ukraine while Poland never had any massive quantities of piorun produced and gave ukraine only some small number?
There will be precise data on Piorun's effectiveness like there was data on Groms (predecessor) that were sent to Georgia.
What you saw and didn't see on youtube matters frickall.
May I see the precise data on grom please.
>soviet self reporting
kek
The laucher has some sort of data storage that records what happened to the missile. Georgians sent that leaveand so I imagine Ukrainians will as well.
I heard it cited in some talk with a Polish military expert on youtube.
>The laucher has some sort of data storage that records what happened to the missile
So it knows if the missile hit the target? I don’t believe you for a second. I’m not going to rely on soviet/Russian self reporting kek
If all of ther MANPADS are not " FIRE AND REGRET " then the ones withouth (fire and forget) will have more recorded kills since you have to keep looking at a target, might as well record it
Maybe. MANPADS videos are pretty shit anyway unless you have a drone recording the target in 4k. I’m not sure the option exists to record from the POV of the tracking sight on a saclos system
Gopros, a battlebuddy with a camera. If you can shoot and scoot, you wont bother recording you will shoot n scoot, if you have a camera and have to keep the launcher on target, might as well turn it on IF YOU HAVE THE TIME TO TURN IT ON.
Piorun has more kills on camera than the Stinger. This thread is made by warriortard fueled insecurities.
No it doesn’t. Only 1 has been posted ITT. Stinger has an su-30 kill on video plus corroboration by the ukranian MOD. Maybe that’s why you cope so hard?
Yeah it does, why does that make you so mad?
Your a moronic sperg incapable of anything other than the same mantra in every thread samegayging your own comments, it's pathetic.
Also the su30 video could literally be anything inb4 b-but confirmed by the MoD who totally won't say it was a Stinger to make up for it being useless.
Yeh that's not a Stinger either.
Yeah, standing over a helicopter with any weapon confirms its said weapon see picrel. Your brain has been boggled.
>Also the su30 video could literally be anything inb4 b-but confirmed by the MoD
It can only be stinger. Confirmed by the MOD. The ukranians also prefer the stinger over IGLA and I can see why
>that’s not a stinger either
Delicious cope. Smoke trails don’t lie. Straight as an arrow and no corkscrew
>noooo please believe the IGLA gunner let the stinger gunner take credit for his kill
keep the cope coming man you are yet another casually off stinger in this war
>ukranians prefer the stinger over the IGLA
Source?
He’s referencing a video where ukranian soldiers who have used both compare the two systems. It’s different than the martlet unboxing video as it gives real feedback from troops on the ground.
>unboxes Stinger, manufactured in 1996 (kek!)
>has dual IR/UV seeker for flare resistance whereas Igla only has IR
>one guy says the electronics and seeker head cools faster, after all Stinger is NATO tech base which is better than Soviet, take for example the Stinger box, sealed tight so it hisses when opened like tinned food, box also has those moisture absorption thingies and is nicely padded
>next dude shrugs and says on the other hand, Igla is well, Soviet 80s and he feels sorry looking at it in its box in comparison
>Stinger in contrast "feels like a real weapon"
>US Stingers have a separate IFF interrogator on his belt that not even German ones have, needs to be loaded with a cryptographic key
>but anyway the MANPAD shooter must be very situationally aware in general
>Range-wise Stinger is definitely better, Igla's effective range is between 2500 to 3000m and should be fired at a turning aircraft (slower speed)
>whereas Stinger has minimum range 500m, effective max range about 4700m and does well in general
cooldown time of 2 seconds (or maybe 4? translation not good)
>really expensive kit, thanks to the West for supplying
>much more complex weapon than Igla
>more user intuitive
>apparently locks on enemy target faster than Igla (sounds like Igla has problems with other heat sources)
>hence higher Pk than Igla
>sunny skies don't seem to be a problem for Stinger
>whereas Igla's seeker head can be damaged by the sun, and this problem is not easily detectable, for example Igla stock dates back to the 90s, if conscripts had previously fooled around and damaged the head unknowingly, you're in trouble
ok thanks I hadn’t seen that video before. Pretty cool to get some firsthand accounts after all the shitflinging on this board from people speculating about their favorite system. No surprise to see the stinger performing so well despite its age.
>the cheek vibration alert is very useful in combat, when AK rounds are cracking round your ears, you have that rather than just a sound alert on the Igla
> is fast enough to chase down aircraft
>he likes to shoot Su-25s and helicopters after they have dumped ordnance and are turning away, as their backs are to him and they're focused on getting away and won't see the missile coming
>don't they have the Vitebsk RWR though? yes, but you know Russians, it's all propaganda and hot air, they talk shit about spotting missiles from here and there, but next thing you know, it's "eternal flight Brothers" and grayscale photos of helicopters 😉
>bearded dude has an interesting story about starting out a militiaman with his own pistol and pump shotgun on Feb 24, to being artillery, to HQ, to infantry, now the commander of the Stinger unit but I skipped all the stuff, he does talk about people management, sounds like a good commander
>asked to choose between Stinger and Igla
>then says no question the Stinger, it is more modern, "comfortable" (easier to use?), and at least 80% of the Stingers launch when fired which is apparently more than can be said for Igla 😉
>something here about humidity perhaps causing the 20% failure, so they also have AA guns mounted on a Kamaz and a Mercedes mil cargo truck to back it up
Why do you post twice just put it all into the same post you freak you do this every thread. I'm amazed you worked out how to switch between WiFi and mobile data to be honest.
Nah it could be literally any manpad in Ukraine right now. The fact you have to nitpick to try and score a Stinger video just proves how unknown it is in Ukraine, the other manpads just have a normal video of them launching and hitting targets but here you are schizo posting about smoke and conformations of the ghost of keev, sad. I just showed you an Iraqi stood over an apache with a Lee Enfield did this also happen?
Post every stinger video where you see the thing fire and hit something then I'll btfo you with Piorun videos that still won't be enough because you will seethe cope make a thread about a Warrior and cry about smoke trails and ghost of keev reporting papers. Get a job.
>Nah it could be literally any manpad in Ukraine right now
It couldn’t because it’s been confirmed as stinger. Notice how you have to play so much defense
>t…that could be anything!!
It’s sad really.
You know what's sad, borderline mentally ill.
This, why did you type that out then save it and paste it into everythread you make when the Stinger gets called out?
Picture this;
>Stinger some of the first donations to Ukraine
>No videos of it at all only Iglas and Nlaw videos
>ffw months still nothing, a shakey Stinger being fired at a drone surfaces but nothing more
>Oh fug. Better tell them the Stinger is good can't tell them it's shit otherwise they won't give more military aid
>You are here, random su30 credited kill but can't be visually verified along with a random cruise missile with no video verification then a wierd comparison video between the Igla and stinger when the better manpads have dedicated videos specifically aimed at one system
Face it. You have 1 video of a Stinger being fired at a drone, the rest is guesswork. Prove me wrong post a few of them being fired and hitting things.
Do you have anything to back this statement up? I’m going to believe the video of the su-30 coupled with high level confirmation. You seem too emotionally invested in discrediting stinger to be taken seriously. Is there a reason I’d believe you over feedback from troops on the ground like
Post the launch and intercept videos you have samegayger so I can btfo you with more Piorun videos.
>post the launch video followed by a puff of black smoke that is totally a ka-52 like
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1584551790762397696
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1530307346362249217
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500516392763801608
look at piocoper squirm
Lmao so no you cannot post anything. I'll take that as your concession and conformation that you have put hours of your life into this thread for nothing. Do you not have a life warriortard?
Yeh, as standard.
Please don’t link me in your gay little internet dispute
Can you show me footage of an IGLA posing with that wreck? If you can’t I’m inclined to give credit to the stinger
There’s also the stinger kill of an mi-8 caught on camera. I know it’s not as cool as the su-30 but it’s just more stinger kills to enjoy
Stung
>that telltale non-corked smoke trail
Granted that looks more like stinger than piorun or IGLA but it’s still just an mi-8. My grandmother could fart an mi-8 out of the sky
Norway seems to think otherwise moron. Pioruns have the most documented kills out of any MANPADS in use by Ukraine
Ahh yes the military powerhouse known as Norway
It's arguably the best-governed country in the world, dipshit, that's the relevant part.
>arguably
And this helps piorun save face how exactly?
It means their opinion matters and yours absolutely doesn't.
>piorun is good because o..opinions
really impressive
I'm sure morons on /k/ have a better access to information about the performance of MANPADS than the government of a NATO country. And Norway is an extremely rich country with a small sized military, they are not cutting costs on anything
This is really impressive. I’m going to ignore the lack of documented piorun kills now
May I see them? Are there any notable press releases from the war that I can read up about this? Maybe you could show me a video of soldier feedback about the system.
Piorun is not needed. Poland MUST. STOP. SENDING. Piorun is not needed, this is powerful Truth. You should all write to Joe Biden for no Piorun in Ukraine. I am Tom from New York and Piorun is dangerous and makes no kills and MUST. BE. REMOVED. Slava Ukraine fellow Ukraine sympathysers, Ukraine doesn't need Piorun and shoud not fire because its bad. THEY COULD HIT HATO UNITS. This is unnacceptable I will write to my congressman in Poland.
Piorun just won competition against other manpads in Norway Black folk
https://www.fma.no/aktuelt-og-media/2020/forsvarsmateriell-kjoper-baerbart-luftvern-til-haeren
We know you already told us. It just isn’t a big deal. Norway isn’t seen as a military leader in anyway
Ignoring all the fanboying going on and asking a genuine question. Does the piorun have a thermal sight that allows it to fire at night or detect targets from 15+km? Please don’t take this as a “durr stinger da best” post. I’m trying to find the answer on Google but Google translate is fricked and I don’t speak polish
Honestly had no idea sights like this existed. Seems like a huge capability. Vehicle launches MANPADS always had that cool factor of the gunner being able to see the target through a thermal lense
>this item is under warranty until
>9408
How do you read this?
here is the section from MIL-STD-130L
Here’s one mounted with a US made machine gun sight. It’s thermal so it should get the job done well enough
Forgot pic
>a thermal sight that allows it to fire at night
yes
>detect targets from 15+km
classified from what I could find, the most it says is >8km and "double" that of Grom/Igla