why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries?

why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no budget, they are still back in the 80's/90's technology wise, air defense in the west was shit too back then

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i mean theyre trying to be an arms exporter i would guess theyd want to invest in the field

      • 1 month ago
        Actual power,

        They're not though. They're trying to offload their Soviet stockpiles. Keeping them in working or ready reserve capability is expensive, and with the US pivoting to China, they don't have any good reason to do so.

        People don't tend to associate Russia as a petrostate, but their economy is as dependent on oil as the middle east. Notice how unfathomably asspained they get when the eternal smooooker visits a refinery?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Their shit is good enough for arabs and other thirdies.
        You don't need to be the best in the field, you just need to find your niche.
        Unless you also want to pretend to be a superpower on par with the US, then it's just embarrassing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They were an exporter because they flooded the market with cheap comblock surplus and thirdies ate it up, not because their shit was any good

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus Christ can you imagine how much of a turkeyshoot the US up against Russia would be

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus Christ can you imagine how much of a turkeyshoot the US up against Russia would be
      lmfao, then what happened with Yemen?

      when does the pool open?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        when will they hit a plane or warship or anything other than an unarmed civilian ship or decades-old drone?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >yemen hasnt even hit anything yet, but the mere threat of them doing so has chased a 50+ship nuclear carrier flotilla out of the red-sea, and has obliterated 80% of the year-over-year container-max shipping volume through the straight
          lol, lmfao, good question though, I wonder what will happen when they actually start hitting shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the mere threat of them doing so has chased a 50+ship nuclear carrier flotilla out of the red-sea
            And other delusions /misc/estinians have

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              pale shitstains deserved worse. israeliterael is too merciful

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              so where is the carrier group?
              where did the containter ship volume go?
              >16% of 2023?
              lmfao, what happened?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ten years of abject poverty, twenty years of omnipresent corruption.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Putin should be Eric Andre in both panels.
        Decades of corruption should be the gun.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    corruption endemic to the state
    + cultural holdover from the soviet union (lying mostly)

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >properly spaced out and protected SAM site
    why can't russia?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They were banking on their reputation for quality AD being enough to deter enemy airborne threats

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are not a country but a territory ran by an organized crime group.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so was this a missile or drone strike?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      from NYT:

      >It was unclear what sort of weapon struck the Iranian air defense system. Three Western and two Iranian officials confirmed on Friday that Israel had deployed aerial drones and at least one missile fired from a warplane. Previously, Iranian officials said the attack on the military base had been conducted by small drones, most likely launched from inside Iranian territory.

      >A missile, two Western officials said, was fired from a warplane far from Israeli or Iranian airspace and included technology that enabled it to evade Iran’s radar defenses. Neither the missile nor the aircraft that fired it entered Jordanian airspace, the Western officials said, a gesture meant to keep the kingdom out of the conflict after it helped shoot down Iranian weapons last week.

      any ideas on what the missile could be? or what purpose the drones served?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >any ideas on what the missile could be?
        JASSM

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      most missiles these days are drones

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      look at the damage.
      do you think a ~1,000lb warhead of a ballistic missile would destroy so little?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    looks like a token hit on a radar to me
    now both parties can tell their domestic audiences
    >we retaliated!!
    and we can de-escalate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are you a phone poster? Is that why you don't bother with Capital letters.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no, I'm just lazy
        I also don't bother with punctuation unless it's necessary for ease of reading

        >and we can de-escalate
        They will continue to stir up shit for decades via their proxies and glowies

        yes, but the point is a direct exchange is averted
        similar to how the USA and USSR preferred to wage proxy war but never actually shot at each other, Cuban Crisis excepted

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >and we can de-escalate
      They will continue to stir up shit for decades via their proxies and glowies

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its incredibly expensive stuff to develop and produce

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Poland and Ukraine were the "brains" of Soviet Union weapons development. Russians are literal morons. They just aren't smart enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget about East Germany!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Weird how Ukrainian’s tech and industry mostly evaporated instantly after the USSR fell but Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirs. It’s also super-strange that Russia so massively out-competes with Ukraine in this area today as well. I go onto Dvach and Ukrainians are seen as subhuman morons who cargo-cult everything in a laughable pantomime of civilized advanced countries, but I come onto here and the Ukrainians ran all the high tech of the USSR. Striking divergence of viewpoints.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia projects onto all their neighbours as subhuman lessers to prop up their own self image as a wannabe superpower
        Wow, fricking shocking

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I go onto Dvach
        Belgrade will be rubble.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the former CCCP party bosses squirreled away all of their wealth in the security of their Moscow-area villas during the collapse and used that to their advantage a few years later.
        Meanwhile the former republics (not just Ukraine) withered away

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Weird how Ukrainian’s tech and industry mostly evaporated instantly after the USSR fell but Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirs
        - russians have infinite free oil money to subsidize shit;
        - ukies were under de-facto military and industrial embargo from the west prior to 2022;
        - russian glowies did a number on ukies;

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >russian glowies did a number on ukies
          hah yah, fricking vatniks^

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            hi helmettard

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >hes nooooooooooooooticing bright and early on a sunday

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > russians have infinite free oil money to subsidize shit
          Yet this money goes to russian firms rather than the ukrainian ones that supposedly designed all russian military equipment
          > ukies were under de-facto military and industrial embargo from the west prior to 2022;
          So was Russia. the RF has never exported arms to the west afaik
          > russian glowies did a number on ukies;
          How so? Did they assassinate ukrainian engineers or something?

          I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the former CCCP party bosses squirreled away all of their wealth in the security of their Moscow-area villas during the collapse and used that to their advantage a few years later.
          Meanwhile the former republics (not just Ukraine) withered away

          Terrible guess

          >Russia projects onto all their neighbours as subhuman lessers to prop up their own self image as a wannabe superpower
          Wow, fricking shocking

          Dvach is right though

          >Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirs
          Did they though, or did they loose all their electronics manufacturing base and become entirely reliant on western imports for their MIC?
          Lets have a moment of silence for the T-14.

          Russia gets electronics from china doe

          Because post-soviet Russian developed systems are doing so well

          ...oh wait

          Every weapon in the Soviet arsenal worth two shits was developed in Ukraine or Poland. Russians are Asiatic morons

          Asians have higher iqs than hohols and psheks thoughbeit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Yet this money goes to russian firms rather than the ukrainian ones that supposedly designed all russian military equipment
            i'm sorry what? lmao where do you think those money should go? charity?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Hypothetically, if ukrainian firms did design all the important militaty tech in russia, then russia would have had to fund them to have them produce and upgrade the RuAF while ukraine and russia were on good terms. However, this didn’t happen because hohols didn’t make that much stuff and most of the important firms (and the top universities supplying them with engineers) were in russia

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nononon, ukraine and poland did so much military tech in soviet times that they need to import every western system possible these days instead of producing their own brilliant stuff. from small arms to planes and tanks. importing old russian AA rockets from the entire ex-eastern block because they can't produce a single one on their own. genius!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nononon, ukraine and poland did so much military tech in soviet times that they need to import every western system possible these days instead of producing their own brilliant stuff. from small arms to planes and tanks. importing old russian AA rockets from the entire ex-eastern block because they can't produce a single one on their own. genius!

                read your own fricking post again and stop samegayging
                >russian money
                >fund ukraine
                do you not see your idiotic logic not working out? how about you chop off your own legs and give Usain Bolt money because he can walk and run faster than you?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                use your own advice and get some brain transplantation. not from a moron donor this time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lmao refute my post

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                (you)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what? can't refute it? too bad samegayging couldn't save you from you own stupidity. now it's time to chop your legs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia gets electronics from china
            yet we haven't seen T-72B3 obr 2024s with Chinese optics replacing the ones destroyed in the Great Kyiv Fyint

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is 3rd world oil state like Saudi Arabia, and shows same patterns of incompetence.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because post-soviet Russian developed systems are doing so well

        ...oh wait

        Every weapon in the Soviet arsenal worth two shits was developed in Ukraine or Poland. Russians are Asiatic morons

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          QRD: you’re a moronic hohol
          > was developed in Ukraine
          By Russian engineers like Antonov
          > or Poland
          Poland wasn’t even in the ussr. And poland made… a few types of small arms, and one light helicopter, which was designed in… russia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia managed to maintain much of the most important of theirs
        Did they though, or did they loose all their electronics manufacturing base and become entirely reliant on western imports for their MIC?
        Lets have a moment of silence for the T-14.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        look at this Black person. Communism destroyed both countries, they were so poor back then they couldn't afford to pay even government employees. Ukraine had to sell almost everything to save their country, meanwhile Russia has massive oil and gas money to prop up their shithole, but even that wasn't enough

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          communism literally created ukraine thoughbeit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not really
            the forced famine is probably what turned it from just another regional russian dialect of poor farmers to a nationality tho

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              More like the soviet efforts to standardize the ukrainian language, gift russian territories to ukraine and make the ukrainian language a mandatory subject even though everyone spoke russian anyway

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Which other countries is Russia “fall behind” in this area? The US? Which other countries puts out better AD?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta embezzle that money, anon. Putin wouldn't stay in power without it.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries?
    it's a mystery

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it did?
    like literally days ago USA, UK, France and Israel TOGETHER couldn't stop 100 shitty iranian rockets.
    some time ago it took 48 hours for US to "find" an autopiloted F-35 on a crash course inside their own territory.
    So, who are those countries that are so very much ahead of Russia and deal with dozens of rockets and hundreds of drones on a daily basis? I don't see them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shhh, we pretend that Iran is a powerhouse in rocketry. 99% interception and all that jazz.
      they didn't hit anything important too, just some military bases.

  16. 1 month ago
    sage

    >why did russia fall behind in air defense development compared to other countries?
    Russia has always been absolutely shit at electronics, chip manufacturing and had no role in digital computing or the silicone or transistor revolutions. Further Chinese quality assurance was based on established Russian methods or not having any.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Corruption and brain drain

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    decades of corruption in which people in the military thought that they could just win all conflicts forever by sending waves of men to the front

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no electronics industry

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