Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push?

Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push? They could've just spammed mines everywhere and then advanced at a rate of 10 meters per 1000 mobik lives. They're doing that right now in the east anyway, so why not do it near Kyiv to actually threaten an important position?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't have logistics or air superiority to support a deeper offensive.
    Their lines from Belarus were being routinely cut by Ukie incursions, battles which few people know about from early 2022.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Their lines from Belarus were being routinely cut by Ukie incursions
      Hmmm then maybe they should have bombed everything to shit like they're doing in the east
      The 3km or whatever that they've advanced from the Donbabwe border is like 1/3 the distance from Belarus to Kyiv, I think

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        from the border to Kyiv is about the same distance from Kherson to the start of the Crim
        50+ miles

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This plus the Russians straight up did not have enough people to make any plan B or C or Z work.
      Once the element of surprise was gone and the Ukies decided to actually fight, the Russians weren't gonna get anywhere

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I miss Zalulzhny, bros.

        I liked the idea that he was part of drone force, not just honorably discharged and given a political post out of the country

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Popular powerful generals are a threat to democracy even in war time. He had to go and that is just how it has to be. Its not his fault or anything he just got to strong and he was scaring the people in power. Politicians man its just how it be my brother.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            'Democracy', threat to the people in charge you mean.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The people in charge are democratically elected, and anyone running a coup d'etat is likely not.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I support his reasons for doing it but you do know that Zelensky suspended elections, yeah?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is Martial Law?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zelensky suspended elections

                As per the Ukrainian constitution, yes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nooooooooo can't you see that both sides are le same?! can't you see that Ukr*ine does not deserve aid because he is just lime Putin?
                why won't you stop sending aid?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nvm, i just realized it was a joke.
                second point still stands tho

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                How could they hold elections on 5th of July if the war didn't end until August 15th?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Wartime elections weren't constitutionally prohibited in the UK. Parliament kept passing laws every year that let the government postpone elections by up to 12 months. The 1944 law would have allowed them to delay elections until November 1945 but they chose not to.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe something to do with the fact that the War in Europe ended on May 8th, meaning the British Isles weren't under threat? That isn't the Gotcha! you think it is

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            He was no threat to anyone.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean they could've appointed him as a commander of some Brigade or something like that

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >given a political post out of the country
          Is that what happy potato man is doing now?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he's now the ukrainian ambassador to the UK.
            not exactly a sidetrack but still

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              At least in that position he'll blend in perfectly with Bazza and Jezza having a pint at the nearest pub

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why was he even discharged? Syrsky is not doing that bad either but Zaluzhny could be working a military position still

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The government is making examples of commanders who don’t win.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            disagreements between him and zelensky or other parties.
            for example zaluzhny wanted to moobilize like half a million additional troops right at the start of the war and kept asking throughout the entire conflict but zelensky denied it every time, probably fearing kneecapping the civilian sector in the process.
            also the counter-offensive failed so they needed an image change, even though it wasn't his fault there were not enough western weapons or ammo, it was still his name associated with the operation.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              why was he even discharged? Syrsky is not doing that bad either but Zaluzhny could be working a military position still

              He was made ambassador to the UK, which is not a terrible position for him. Being able to advise the most important european ally of what Ukraine's needs are from a first hand experience.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Its his fault for letting it happen. If he knew there wasn't enough weapon, he shouldn't have committed, if he was forced top, he should have resisted. Any other situation was his fault.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >he shouldn't have committed
                not sure it was that easy.
                there was this narrative in the west spread by anti-war gays, zigger asskissers and 5th columnists that ukraine received over 9000% of western arms (when in reality it was breadcrumbs at best) but still couldn't achieve any substantial gains, while russia effortlessly throws away thousands of men and hundreds of vehicles to grab some small village every month, which often ended up being reported by the fast paced global news cycle as a steady unstoppable russian advance while ukraine just sat around waiting for the inevitable defeat.
                so instead they had to gamble, try to present some win, as they successfully did in 2022 when retaking kherson and kharkiv oblast. and even tho they hadn't received nowhere near enough of the promised wunderwaffe, their hand was nonetheless forced to try something.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              it was kinda his fault for splitting their forces in the offensive instead of following the american plan

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >instead of following the american plan
                moronic plan from sheltered morons, who think that enemy operates based on their manuals. Don't get me started about not sending enough weapons and not having air support.

                >P.S: now it's 14 brigades without weapons
                source?

                Literally a quote from zelensky

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                ukraine is forced to fight with both their hands tied behind its back. how can TZD ever be achieved that way?
                grim

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >ukraine is forced to fight with both their hands tied behind its back.
                what do you mean?

                they fought with state of the art nato weapons systems and ammo, literally every type of vehicle and ordnance every european country had PLUS new production..you cant be serious?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                - drip fed supply of everything;
                - stuff being sent always a year late, like with ATACMS;
                - moronic limitations on where the weapons could be used;
                - stuff not getting sent at all (planes);

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                almost like the countries helping him aren't beholden to him and have their own problems to sort out

                though you start to reek like a vatnik trying to make zelensky sound like an ungrateful butthole

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Things would be easier for everyone if political gays from state department told things publicly that they don't want russia to lose.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >political gays from state department told things publicly
                yes this white hands how talk very. good sir job from ohio special economics zone

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You deny that US political class doesn't want russia to lose?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I deny that you're from an anglophone nation

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you're a fricking moronic b***h, now gtfo and let the men talk

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                fuvknig sir of a benchod basterd

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you've become the thing you accuse others of being.
                now shh, settle down, kid

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm literally just making fun of your bad posts

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you've almost instantly sperged out after being told something you didn't like.
                you're like an easily triggered ape or something.
                a temperamental mutt would be my guess.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >third worlder b***hes about Americans for the thirstiest post in a row
                >says I'm butthurt for making fun of him for being a third worlder

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                thirtieth I'm talking third worlder now too lmao

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you're not american, kid. canadian maybe

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                ok

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No shit, Einstein?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                ok that settles things then

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Things would be easier for everyone if political gays from state department told things publicly that they don't want russia to lose.

                a nuclear state was never, repeat *NEVER* going to lose a fricking conventional ground war, against a non-nuclear state on own their own border
                the idea of that^ is so pants-on-head moronic its hard to qualify.
                literally think of how ridiculous that sounds

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                moron. escalating to nuclear escalates it beyond a conflict with their immediate neighbor to all of NATO. nuclear will never be a factor in this war. we didn't nuke Afghanistan or Vietnam.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >moron. escalating to nuclear escalates it beyond a conflict with their immediate neighbor to all of NATO. nuclear will never be a factor in this war. we didn't nuke Afghanistan or Vietnam.
                yah no shit, youre basically reinforcing my entire point

                Soviet-Afghan war
                Chechen war

                >Soviet-Afghan war
                afghanistan was not trying to re-take Russian clay in crimea
                >Chechen war
                Chechnya was not trying to retake clay Russian clay in crimea

                That's a lot of conditions you place kek

                >a nuclear state was never, repeat *NEVER* going to lose a fricking conventional ground war
                Like USSR and Afghanistan?
                Like US and Vietnam?
                Like Russia and Chechnya?
                Like China and Vietnam?
                Like France and Algiers?

                >Like US and Vietnam?
                vietnam was not trying to take American clay in Miami
                >Like China and Vietnam?
                vietnam was not trying to take Chinese soil in macau
                >Like France and Algiers?
                algiers was not trying to take French soil in Marseille

                Russia is fighting a defensive war against a aggressive conventional state, whos stated goal was capturing Russian clay,
                this is not a 'foreign' war

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is fighting a defensive war
                Yes, and fricking another man in the ass is not gay, but military tradition, got it

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >yah no shit, youre basically reinforcing my entire point
                how the frick did you draw that conclusion? I'm saying Russia's nuclear arsenal is completely irrelevant in this conflict and you're saying they will magically just win because they have it.

                number of invasions that have worked because the invader relied on nukes: 0. 1 was avoided completely, being Japan, but that was before proliferation

                >I'm saying Russia's nuclear arsenal is completely irrelevant
                no it isnt dipshit. Russias nuclear arsenal precludes any situation where Russia loses a ground war to a conventional state who is literally attached to it

                >you're saying they will magically just win because they have it.
                ITS BECAUSE THEY WILL. Russia wont let itself get balkanized by ukraine/nato without using its nukes. there is no scenario where Russia gets land invaded by a hostile foreign military coalition that doesnt end nuclear in Russias worst-case

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                screaming that it's your land won't stop HATO from nuking you

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russias nuclear arsenal precludes any situation where Russia loses a ground war to a conventional state who is literally attached to it
                Soviet-Afghan War
                >Russia wont let itself get balkanized by ukraine/nato
                Ukraine just wants the rest of Ukraine back and nobody else is at war with Russia

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia wont let itself get balkanized by ukraine/nato without using its nukes.
                So instead of taking their chances with admitting defeat and managing the situation from there, they'd rather break the ultimate taboo in geopolitics and guarantee that Russia will either be render into an irradiated wasteland or violently dismantled.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia will either be render into an irradiated wasteland or violently dismantled.
                lmfao, dream on
                hey, Putin coup.. when?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >yah no shit, youre basically reinforcing my entire point
                how the frick did you draw that conclusion? I'm saying Russia's nuclear arsenal is completely irrelevant in this conflict and you're saying they will magically just win because they have it.

                number of invasions that have worked because the invader relied on nukes: 0. 1 was avoided completely, being Japan, but that was before proliferation

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Algeria was a French department. Frogs should have noooked.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is fighting a defensive war against a aggressive conventional state, whos stated goal was capturing Russian clay,
                oh wait nvm no point making a serious argument this is just an elaborate joke

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >this is just an elaborate joke
                Get a load of this naive sheltered guy

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Who is taking Russian clay? Where are you getting this idiocy?

                Russia invaded and usurped Crimea and portions of two oblasts. They attempted the same at Kharkiv and Odessa but those failed. Was Belgorod at risk of something? Rostov? What clay are you talking about?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                are you fricking illiterate?
                polish maybe?
                how could you be so fricking stupid?

                I swear to god /k/ has the stupidest posters in the totality of the internet, truly

                the point was being made that nuclear states (Russia) will never, EVER lose a ground war on their own soil, to a conventional power (ukranda)
                without using their nuclear arsenal

                country mentioned by the shit brained /k/ucks in this thread was being invaded by the nuclear power, essentially over-seas, not the other way around, which is what is happening in ukraine

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Look up the budapest memorandum sometime schizobaby

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Belgorod is rightful Ukrainian clay
                as is Rostov-on-Don but we'll get to that later

                >mutt moron thinks his anal empire will outlast the country that has never been defeated
                americans r truly the most brainwashed ppl

                have you forgotten Afghanistan? It still counts as a defeat even if the country dissolves into civil war or a coup every time it loses.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is fighting a defensive war against a aggressive conventional state, whos stated goal was capturing Russian clay,
                >this is not a 'foreign' war
                Russia has no soil cause russia has no government nor people.
                It is merely a concentration camp ran by some criminals and terrorists who sell more and more of their ownership to India and china each passing day.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is fighting a defensive war against a aggressive conventional state, whos stated goal was capturing Russian clay,

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Soviet-Afghan war
                Chechen war

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's a lot of conditions you place kek

                >a nuclear state was never, repeat *NEVER* going to lose a fricking conventional ground war
                Like USSR and Afghanistan?
                Like US and Vietnam?
                Like Russia and Chechnya?
                Like China and Vietnam?
                Like France and Algiers?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                So moronic his changes made the counter-offensive succeed, right?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The american plan was moronic, the changes to it salvaged something from that

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Salvaged it into failure.
                Nevermind that Americans drafted the victorious Izyum offensive.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Americans are so dumb we'll do our own thing
                >it doesn't work
                >well the Americans are dumb anyway now give us weapons
                I want Ukraine to get all the weapons for TZD it needs but let's not pretend the country that barely had a military until a couple years ago is full of geniuses that know better than the biggest military superpower Earth has ever seen

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                "bruh, just drive around the mines", "bruh, just go in a mass concentrated attack (which is visible from drones even before it happens) onto mines, arty and atgm fire", "what do you mean the minefield is deeper than a MICLIC can clear? that's impossible"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the brilliant counter proposal being... to do the same thing over a wider area

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the brilliant counter proposal being... to do the same thing over a wider area

                kek ukies don't sound so smart anymore

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The limited mine clearing equipment given should have been used for a concentrated push you mong
                This isn't even new, this has been the winning strategy since WW1

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Those are new brigades being raised. Can't teleport weapons over instantly and he literally says he understands that.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Brigades without weapons aren't a new thing, it's a sad reality of western aid failure since 2023. One of the reasons of the counter-offensives lackluster results was the fact that like more than half of the forces that were planned to be used couldn't have been used because the weapons for them didn't arrive in time.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe the West should just not even bother if they're going to fail so much.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What's weird is no source corroborates his claim, from the AFU or unbiased reporters or anything. No other source even reports on it.
                What brigades didn't have weapons? Where is the proof?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What's weird is no source corroborates his claim, from the AFU or unbiased reporters or anything
                Bruh, it's an open secret since 2023.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sure it is, an open secret that no one can actually name any brigades without weapons.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I personally know a guy whom signed a contract for AFU in late 2022 (november or something like that?), he sat out the offensive in 2023 specifically because they didn't get the weapons which were expected. His detachment still didn't get sent to the front lines. IIRC, he's trying to transfer now because of this. Got some training with drones, as to be useful with something else.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What brigade? Because every brigade on the AFU TO&E was in the line then.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Americans are so dumb we'll do our own thing
                >it doesn't work
                >well the Americans are dumb anyway now give us weapons
                I want Ukraine to get all the weapons for TZD it needs but let's not pretend the country that barely had a military until a couple years ago is full of geniuses that know better than the biggest military superpower Earth has ever seen

                >western powers give ukraine their weapons and tell them the best way to use them
                >"nah we'll attack everywhere"
                >offensive fails
                >"this is YOUR fault"
                kek

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Sw4Hfff.png

                >instead of following the american plan
                moronic plan from sheltered morons, who think that enemy operates based on their manuals. Don't get me started about not sending enough weapons and not having air support.

                [...]
                Literally a quote from zelensky

                So moronic his changes made the counter-offensive succeed, right?

                The american plan was moronic, the changes to it salvaged something from that

                >American plan is to focus offensive forces for maximum effect
                >Ukrainian plan is to spread offensive forces and dilute capability

                No wonder they failed

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the brilliant counter proposal being... to do the same thing over a wider area

                More concentration == more losses, simple as.
                Attacking in multiple direction doesn't allow them to move their elite fireteam to defend the area.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Attacking in multiple direction doesn't allow them to move their elite fireteam to defend the area.
                But they did, the offensive failed.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Because not enough forces were available for attack, duh.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >attack with inadequate forces
                >spread them out
                sounds moronic as frick

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                How can you fail to fathom the obvious fact that increasing troop concentration makes thing worse instead of better in a transparent battlefield with long-range weaponry?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                How can you fail to fathom the obvious fact that attacking with inadequate forces and then further spreading them out to dissipate their effectiveness and ability to support each other is worse than achieving local superiority or even attacking at all?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >attacking with inadequate forces ... is worse than achieving local superiority or even attacking at all?
                No shit, but the attack was pushed by "western partners" for political reasons. So not only did it happen too late in terms of allowing russians to dig in, it then still happened without promised weapons arriving. In this sense it would be better to attack months earlier: there still wouldn't be those weapons available, but at least the russians wouldn't have been as dug in as they got.

                >further spreading them out to dissipate their effectiveness and ability to support each other
                You fundamentally misunderstand the realities of the battlefield in question. That's not an urban environment, nor is it wooded areas around Kyiv and such. It's a pretty open environment by its nature. What's worse it that when you need to move across the minefield, that limits the width of your attack (it's not you have a hundred MICLICs working in parallel side-by-side), so more forces at the same time would just cause a "traffic jam" and generate a convoy of death similar to those which russians had in the north.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks you mass together in urban warfare
                you really are ignorant of battlefield tactics, aren't you?
                no wonder you don't understand why the modified plan failed.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Western partners actually told Ukraine to wait for the weapons. It was Ukrainian leadership that thought a show of strength would lead to greater commitments, despite the US Army advisors telling them to wait.

                >open environment
                >traffic jam
                Dude are you legit moronic?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >More concentration == more losses
                not to fricking mines lmao. do you know how area works?
                overall yes it would be more costly, the idea is to actually do something with payoff. taking strategically irrelevant parts of the front which then have to be defended is costlier in the actual long term

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Mines by themselves aren't a problem, my brown friend. If it were just mines, it would be just a question of time to pass them. The issue is that once you try to clear them and move through you get hit with arty and long-range ATGMs from aviation assets, which outrange MANPADs. And the bigger the force in one location, the easier it is to frick it up by indirect fire.
                Even worse, if you concentrate a ton of forces in preparations for a push it would just get fricked by cruise and ballistic missiles. Because shit's visible ahead of time through recon drones and such.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >If it were just mines
                my next words were that it would be more costly overall you disingenuous homosexual. you're the one who chose to focus on mines not me, I'm saying that's moronic because going wider is actively worse for dealing with mines.

                it literally doesn't matter that it would be costlier to concentrate the attack because the strategy that was actually chosen had no hope of working. if you didn't want to take any costs the optimal move was to do nothing. if you wanted to achieve something the optimal move was to puncture the front with a concentrated attack. the middle ground chosen was the worst of both worlds with no payoff.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Bruh, that's like 50% fake. Zaluzhny was butthurt that promised weapons aren't arriving, saying shit like "attack with what?" and "mobilize soldiers to use what weapons?". There was like a 6-8 brigades sitting in the rear without weapons, which were promised but didn't arrive in time.
              P.S: now it's 14 brigades without weapons

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >P.S: now it's 14 brigades without weapons
                source?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Based if he writes a book ill be all over that shit

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Wasn’t that General Armageddon?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No that was the Russian commander that defeated ISIS in Syria.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting. Before the invasion I've read reports that their mobiks were selling fuel to Belarusians for cigs and vodka. My assumption was that the Russians failed simply because of shitty logistics and shitty discipline.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That too. Same reason why Russians were left with pass date rations and mres. They were selling good ones to Russians and Ukrainians for money and vodka. Same was happening to mamy other supplies. Even fricking ammo and granades that civilians were buys and selling back to Ukrainian soldiers. Nobody belived that war is really going to start. That they were there to scare off Ukies and NATO.

        Then orders came to march and cross the border and half the army was caught off guard with thier pants down.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but mainly because Kiev decided to fight. That column would have had a rough time of it even if they were fully supplied, based entirely on the depth of their strike and their lack of support; it isn't 1880 anymore where Cossack columns can live off the land and still fight effectively

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, remember the traffic jam?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I remember how vatniks started to cope that there was no convoy at all.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I remember.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gesture of goodwill.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >t. Paradox pro
    it's because of morons like you the war was lost before it even started

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Putin should have build couple supply hubs in northern Ukraine and then railways connecting them. Motorize the transport mode and then take an easy W.
      I wonder if he even looks at the supply map ever. Vgh… only if Ghrisha was in charge…

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He set supplies to arcade (I assume that's still a thing in HoI4)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Vgh… only if Ghrisha was in charge…
        not that big of an upgrade, he sucks at goy4

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Putin should have build couple supply hubs in northern Ukraine and then railways connecting them
        You do realize that's what they were doing for those eight years during 2014-2022? New bases, supply hubs, rail lines, etc

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >d00d just spam mines out of thin air
    parade troops who expected to be welcomed as heroes as per usual russian moronic propaganda would not bother carrying mines you mongoloid

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They overextended, then it was either retreat with the entire force or lose the entire force.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Right. Exposed flanks, way overextended in logistics, they ran out of gas.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where's Saddam in this picture?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        He's underneath it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Rollin 40s was Priggy the whole time
      Fricking Nostradamus, man

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By the time they realised it was fricked they didn't have the logistics to "spam mines".

    Spamming mines really only lends itself to a military in a defendable position, not a thunderrun, even though I struggle to call the Kyiv push a thunderrun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I struggle to call the Kyiv push a thunderrun
      Blyatzkrieg

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they abandoned its kiev push because zelisnky signed a document (no you cant see it)

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Allow a real expert to explain ,sweety.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I cannot fathom how a person can be so consistently wrong.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When you're that consistent, you're not wrong anymore, you're just right with reversed polarity.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Has he gone radio silent or anything? I feel like I never see people talking about his insane nonsense anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I feel like I never see people talking about his insane nonsense anymore
        same here, people got tired of him repeating the same moronic shit all the time i guess

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think it's mostly since there's no more one "big" thing happening. I haven't checked his account in ages but it would be pretty boring if he's just repeating that Russia took another 20m or whatever

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no more one "big" thing happening
            yes, this as well.
            his hot takes were entertaining when he was defending russian moronation while they were losing dozens of tanks during a river crossing or while storming vuhledar, as well as their feints east of kharkiv or in kherson.
            now that the front is more stable and only small pieces of land get taken by the russians every couple of months, or if they get bogged down completely, his hot takes are rather generic and repetitive

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were severely overextended and risked being encircled and annihilated.
        >They're doing that right now in the east anyway
        Yes, they're doing it essentially in their own backyard, and they still suck at it.
        If you can't wrap your head around why it would be any harder 500+ km deeper into enemy territory, I don't know what to tell you.

        >Has he gone radio silent or anything?
        He went private at some point (sometime after the Kherson collapse I think).
        But like with most of these propagandized lolcows, he shrugged it off eventually, memoryholed the embarrassment and is still merrily tweeting to his clique of ziggers, third worlders, useful idiots, fifth columnists and traitors.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I hope when we round up the traitors, he's dealt with, too. And I outright hope Ritter is tortured to death.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because he's blocked so many people

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy frick that is some top tier delusion lmfao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does he do it?
      Why is he that way?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        humiliation fetish

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whoever made this pic massively fricked up, was it so hard to put his posts in order?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I get that he's a lolcow but that's still too much effort senpai.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Look kids, this is what socialism does to your brains.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >he thinks Russia is still socialist
        god americans r so moronic

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      this was peak copelord. when the ziggers started retreating and tons of footage of massacred VDV and russian armored columns started emerging no one could fricking believe it

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i mean he still kept going tho.
        even after being completely buck broken and wanting to leave it all behind for good he got forced back into the game by his kgb handlers and is active to this very day.
        tho that special something in his posts is gone now, his shilling doesn't feel as genuine now, unlike back then until kherson got retaken

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They hadn't drawn enough arrows on the map to take it

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hohols tricked them to retreat and putin the old dumbass fell for it believing ukraine's lies. russians are not very smart.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No supplies
    >mines
    You have to have mines to set them up, they didn't have them.
    Belarus also saw the war wasn't over in three days and said "yeah frick that shit you leave us out of it" and won't let them invade form their territory anymore.

    Basically the reason it didn't work is incompetence, the reason it couldn't work is incompetence, and the reason any solution didn't occur is incompetence.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bad intel. One of two Penya's only blunders. The other is the absolute fricking state of his army. The first means is that he really, unironically thought that Ukies would drop on all fours and spread the cheeks the second they saw Ruski convoys approach Kyiv. Didn't uh, turn out so well.

    Kinda scary to think if he had actually good intel and prepared properly, it's Poland and/or the Baltics that would be Shaheded daily today.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In 2030 will this war still be going on?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That'd mean even jsut at current rate we'd be at over 2 million dead ziggers.

      God willing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's 144 million Russians.

        This war could continue for 70 years.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What are women
          >What are children
          >What are boomers)
          >WHAT THE FRICK IS ECONOMY

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What are women
            >What are children
            >What are boomers
            Future recruits.

            >WHAT THE FRICK IS ECONOMY
            Unnecessary. The war will continue if they have to send in people armed with hunting rifles and pistols to do so.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >hunting rifles and pistols
              try sticks, stones and shovels

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                what exactly makes them fall? is it ammunition or shrapnel?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                supposedly some remote activated shaped charge that hit them both just right.
                you can see it landed on the ground indicated by the dust plumes to the right after going through the both of them

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What are women
            Haven't some video surfaced recently of women fighting on russia's side?
            >What are boomers
            I've seen some drone mobiks who looked preeetty old
            Really we are only missing child soldiers now
            >WHAT THE FRICK IS ECONOMY
            lol. lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There's 144 million Russians.
          According to the census data Russia releases.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even if the data is false by a massive margin, there's no way this war doesn't continue until 2050 at the earliest.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget the 1.5 billion indians, the 1.5 billion Chinese and the 1.5 billion Africans.

          Ukraine is also "only" killing 3 Russians for every dead Ukrainian soldier while fighting in defense so Ukraine will run out first.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >china and india burning their populace at a 1:6 ratio for a losing invasion
            Such is the state of ruskie cope

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ukraryan BWC bawd

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >broken arrow icons

      my fraternal relation of enhanced melanin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What with? By then Russia will have completely depleted the Soviet weapon stockpiles.

      >spend decades worth of stolen wealth on thousands of tanks and artillery pieces
      >blow it all on a failed attempt at imperialism

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >drops ash into tank ashtray
      >turret immediately embeds itself in the ceiling

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only way that's somewhat likely to be the case is if the war devolves into another post-Soviet frozen conflict, where active hostilities are over but the situation remains unresolved.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doubt. Unless the USA removes all the dumb restrictions for using their weapons, Russia will have destroyed Ukraine's entire power infrastructure by 2026.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia will have destroyed Ukraine's entire power infrastructure by 2026
        Again?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't be dumb, Russia blew up like a dozen Ukrainian power plants this year.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This will be the third time Ukraine and Europe freezes to death in winter, and we have become exceedingly effective at predicting it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >This will be the third time Ukraine and Europe freezes to death in winter
              pls gib real winter this time, I'm tired of these lame non-lethal winters and want to go skiing more often
              t. binlan

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We’ve had exceptionally warm winters recently thanks to global warming, and we’ll probably get another one this year. I’m sure the trend won’t last forever but the new normal should be an expectation of mild winters, interjected with weird polar vortexes etc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be dumb, Russia blew up like a dozen Ukrainian power plants this year.

        Winning zoon zizter! Russia has destroyed Ukraine's power infrastructure for the third time!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why is she so fricking sweaty?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No way in hell the war at it's current intensity goes past 2027. Either
      A) Russian lines crumple (either from another euro country putting boots on the ground or total logistics failure),
      B) the US implodes from an election AND Europe implodes at almost the exact same time somehow, OR
      C) US cuts all support to hyperfocus on West Taiwan AND Europe implodes at almost the exact same time somehow
      Nothing about humanity enables long term high intensity war. WWI had nearly all of the biggest powers in the world going at it and they still burned out two of the three sides in five years. In the industrial era either you get long lasting low intensity conflicts or these grueling slugfests that last like five-six years until someone finally snaps. The only real exception is the Iran-Iraq war and that was just because us Americans were bankrolling both sides to destroy eachother, and honestly I'm not sure you could consider that war to be high intensity either.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >the US implodes from an election AND Europe implodes at almost the exact same time somehow

        Would America collapsing into a Second Civil War even really alter the outcome at this point? I mean, yeah that mean official support for Ukraine effectively stops, but the Russia itself is so militarily crippled at this point that they wouldn't really be able capitalize on it. If the Big Igloo started in 2022, it might have made a difference, but we've now reached a point where the Russians are Shanghaiing Thirdies because they've run out of prisoners to conscript.

        It also means the Ukrainians could probably just buy any hardware they want, from F-35s to nuclear weapons, from the Neo-Confederacy or whatever post-American government exists without any restrictions because all of the current American elites in power that are imposing said restrictions are going to be killed in the streets.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Putin is assassinated in late 2025 after losing the war. Medvedev replaces his somewhat by default but he also does not last long. The Slavic race is rendered functionally extinct in the following conflict. I'd estimate there are fewer than 200,000 left of all nationalities in my time.

      (I am from the future. Connection is tenuous but I can answer any questions)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What will become of banan?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Of all the questions I could have been asked, hah
          Putin "dies of natural causes" in much the same sense as Stalin though perhaps even less discreet. Medvedev's assassination as I recall was rather public and messy.
          To be clear there's no "Russia" in my time, the land it occupied is a constantly shifting puzzle of barely recognized competing ethnic war-states of mostly Arab / Turkic composition, though in fairness a few of them do use the name "Russia" but no one who matters (read: Germany) cares.
          What's most amusing for me is that the most important discovery in history occured about four months ago in your time in Hyperborea, although you won't learn of it "officially" for over a year but thebsigns are there for those who know where to look.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >but I can answer any questions
        Is coffee good for you?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          We still argue about this in 2048. In small amounts it's fine I think.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What happened to all the Russian backed breakaway regions? Did they negotiate for peaceful reintegration with Georgia/Moldova or did they still fight?
        Did Russian weapons leak to the outside world following the collapse?
        How did relatively western states like Poland or Slovenia fall in the ensuing chaos?
        How good is TES6?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I'll do my best to answer but bear in mind that the Russia Ukraine war ended up being a footnote compared to what came after.
          - breakaway regions in Ukraine returned to Ukraine, some brief but serious genocide / reprisal killings occurred against ethnic Russians and suspected Russian sympathizers.
          - Ukraine continued for a bit as a nation and things seemed optimistic (lots of talk of them joining the "family of nations" etc) but their demography was fricked up even before the remainder were wrecked by Poles, Finns and Germans (in that order) during the Hyperborean Push, so what few Ukranians remain are part of that estimated 200k worldwide figure I gave. All but the westernmost regions of the country are part of that chaotic post-Russian mass I also mentioned.
          - Georgia stabilized from what I recall after their own round of ethnic cleansing but they're mostly a footnote. Lots of terrorism bleeds over from former Russian territory. Moldova exists as a German client state (but then, that's true of basically all of Europe).
          - Most Russian weapons remained in use in that region during the post collapse conflicts which still continue, though a lot of it definitely went to Central Asia / China (they're in a similar state to Russia broadly speaking).
          - Slovenia much the same as Moldova, population depleting through attrition which I'm sure is deliberate on Germany's fault, it's pretty bleak. Poland lost half their territory and the remaining rump state is a very unhappy but stable front against the post-Russian hordes.
          - The network obfuscation I'm using to connect to you guys limits data transfer rates so I can't really do multiple tabs to search for whatever TES6 is, you'll have to tell me.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Elder Scrolls 6
            I just wanna know if it's gonna be another disappointment like Starfield.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Okay that rung a bell hahaha
              Hate to be thebbearer of bad news but the early stages of the Hyperborean War suspended pretty much everything culturally (games, movies, music, sports etc, I think they cancelled three world cups in a row) so Elder Scrolls 6 and whatever else got delayed by a LOT. By the time it released AI integration in games became standardized in the industry. Now I have a strong ethical bias against games but from what my friends tell me, it's genuinely incredible as long as you're okay with being a loser who stays plugged into VR all day while the world crumbles around you (again my bias showing). Very "immersive" and "limitless." I just personally wish it didn't exist. I'm starting to sound like Wilhelm now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Very "immersive" and "limitless."
                As long as it's better than Starfield in the regards to procedural generation, it should be good.
                Oh and one last question.
                Does PrepHole still exist?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yeah the procedural generation is the strongest part from what I hear. I just have strong philosophical opposition to that sort of thing. PrepHole still exists but I doubt you would recognize it. There are better alternatives.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      broken arrow put ziggers on suicide watch
      old american m113s vs t-15s and bmpts
      Russia gets all their wunderwaffen and prototypes in equal number to american m1s and f-35s
      >still balanced
      very sad

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna suck her phat breasts

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Russia will either have balkanized, had a regime change, or settled this war by then

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >mutt moron thinks his anal empire will outlast the country that has never been defeated
        americans r truly the most brainwashed ppl

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          it was defeated several times before. and will be this time as well.
          get ready pidor, it will not be pretty

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Do people unironically think this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically yes. Putin made a mistake thinking he could sweep in and be greeted as liberators by cousins but it's been promoted within Russia that they're going to win if he wins.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Well he's pissed they didn't give him the dirt he asked for, and the only thing he cares about are personal gains and slights.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was basically over. They had the city surrounded, delivering on the promise of reaching Kiev in 3 days. Negotiations were in the works. Up until this point it was going exactly like in Georgia in 2008 with the same result of overwhelming Russian superiority. Except Georgia surrendered and nobody expected the lunatic Zelensky will start trading lives for time, this kind of thing isn't really done in the 21st century.

    So based on the results of those first days they basically thought it was over and pulled back because it looked like Ukraine is totally on the ropes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They had the city surrounded, delivering on the promise of reaching Kiev in 3 days.
      In every way, symbolic, oneiric, mythopoetic, except physical.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this kind of thing isn't really done in the 21st century.
      Neither is straight up annexing your neighbors.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot to mention it was Boris Johnson who forced Zelensky to not sign a peace treaty

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Can someone explain this Boris Johnson meme? To this day I have no idea what it's about.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          ziggers fantasizing about how their arch enemy GB is the actual leader of ukraine who forces zelensky's hand at every turn.

          the other meme is making fun of overexaggerated russian claims of destroyed and killed ukrainian forces.
          russians claimed to have destroyed this and that, supposedly even some SAS commando that was operating within ukraine(???). they've also claimed to have killed zelensky via rocket strikes a couple of times.
          in one of those deranged milblogger posts claiming to have caused a disproportionate amount of losses some cheeky russian asked how many zelensky's and how many boris johnson's were destroyed this time.
          somebody screencapped and translated it, it ended up here and became a meme

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >ziggers fantasizing about how their arch enemy GB is the actual leader of ukraine who forces zelensky's hand at every turn
            Basically the same phenomenom as saying US policy is all Hilary Clinton and Obama

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >GB is the actual leader of ukraine

              ziggers fantasizing about how their arch enemy GB is the actual leader of ukraine who forces zelensky's hand at every turn.

              the other meme is making fun of overexaggerated russian claims of destroyed and killed ukrainian forces.
              russians claimed to have destroyed this and that, supposedly even some SAS commando that was operating within ukraine(???). they've also claimed to have killed zelensky via rocket strikes a couple of times.
              in one of those deranged milblogger posts claiming to have caused a disproportionate amount of losses some cheeky russian asked how many zelensky's and how many boris johnson's were destroyed this time.
              somebody screencapped and translated it, it ended up here and became a meme

              >ziggers fantasizing about how their arch enemy GB

              except this is literally true and the uk has ran *point* on virtually the totality of 'messaging' and strategy of this war
              the uk is the 'brains' behind the operation, and the US/eu "the muscle"
              >pic related
              was the uk 'mastermind' behind basically every western-centric talking point surrounding this war

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Some schizoid telegram post talking about how the Russians had killed a SAS team lead by Boris Johnson himself on the left side of the Dnipro.
          Perhaps it was the fricky translation and it was meant to be that the SAS team was ordered to attack by Boris Johnson rather than personally led by him, but it was funny regardless and people ran with it. The funny hair man really rustled some jinkies in zigger telegrams, back when he was PM.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Russia and UK are arch nemesis for as long as the US has even existed (see: the great game)
          UK instantly jumped headfirst into anti zigger shit pre 2022, told Ukraine to prepare for war alongside the US, and was immediate in it's support when it did happen
          Ziggers seethe about this, bongoloids and their (then) head of state le funny Boris man, and made multiple outlandish claims about him (including having killed him)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The cope extends strife. The cope expands incompetence. The cope is vital to conquer piles of gravel. The Monkee Guild and its agitators, who the cope has mutated over 4,000 years, use the giga lenin cope gas, which gives them the ability to shill reality. That is, invent any part of reality without proving.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is some good bait. so good in fact, I can't tell if you're serious or not. 10/10

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was wondering why they didn't touch the Kiev-Kharkiv direction for two years until I saw the Kharkiv offensive and ziglets trying to convince me that it was a probing feint all along and then I understood everything. Russia is just shit isn't it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OПEPAЦИ9, HAAEƆCAA
      Damn, did someone frick up the Cyrillic lettering on that one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They tried to do a Д and a Ж with non slav letters but still fricked up massively

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        «Oпepaция Haдeждa», I’m guessing? That doesn’t even translate that well.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push?
    it's a mystery

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people forgot the whole convoy got fricking massacred and there was nobody to witness it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just IMAGINE all the dropped Zigger loot.

      Ukraine is gonna be an absolute goldmine for collectors.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, remember when Russia had trucks to transport troops with? Their convoys are extinct now...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The USA and Canada are not building their trucks this time...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i havent seen this one before, why isnt this posted more often? thats like the road of death in iraq.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There were no hato nazis on the road to Kyiv so the forces were rotated elsewhere in order to complete their mission objectives.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We had pictures of troops going door to door asking for food from civilians (back when the plan was to just occupy not destroy everything). We had videos of farmers offering to give stranded tank crews a ride back to Russia after they ran out of gas.
    Their entire push was fricked when they didn't immediately win.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why is it that every Zyklon Ben edit is funnier than the original?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like how some cheeky anons keep the tradition going even to this day, even tho the edits are somewhat less deranged nowadays.
      whoever even started doing it is a true master, the quality was top notch and garrison is still seen as some sperg who gets thrown into the lot with all the other rightoids.
      supposedly it was a cartoonist named nick bougas who made the first edits, since they bear a resemblance to his own style

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Plot twist:
        Ben Garrison is just the public face of A. Wyatt Mann from the 90s.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        For years and years i though Garrison was actually some leftie, that pol was trolling.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          he's a lolbert whose shtick it is to come quite close to naming the israelite but he always cucks out at the final spurt and his "real" cartoons end up being mostly lukewarm if not outright boring, needing subtitles to explain what each and every character is supposed to represent.
          this enticed some anon(s) to edit his original works almost as soon as he started producing political cartoons back in 2007ish.
          the edits often went the originally missing final steps and portrayed Black folk and israelites being the culprits.
          there's also the theory that he's actually inspired by wyatt mann's racist and anti-semitic cartoons to some degree, depsite claiming it not being the case.
          afaik his most controversial unedited shit was making fun of michelle obama being a muscular troony compared to a feminine looking melania.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >needing subtitles to explain what each and every character is supposed to represent.
            That's every political cartoon.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              yeah but garrison's shit is famous for outdoing all the others.
              sometimes you feel like you're reading a comic book page and not a cheeky political cartoon that is brief and to the point

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                This looks pretty standard for a political cartoon. The only difference from a normal one is that he's crammed in a ton of topics in one cartoon, but that's it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Most political cartoons don't stuff so much in because it distracts from the overall joke or point, and everything getting labelled makes it seem like Garrison doesn't feel confident in his work (or that he thinks his readers are too stupid to make connections on their own).

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's one thing that he pretends those weren't his original comics, it's another completely when some demented freak starts pushing the narrative 20 years after the fact. Get your shit together.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because ben is out of touch with reality so his political cartoons inhabit a twilight zone of insane enough to be unnerving but not insane enough to be funny. The edits simultaneously push them over the line so they become funny while making fun of ben's view of reality.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Kiev operation was run by the military but it was planned by the FSB, probably based on the success of the FSB op to take Crimea. The FSB evidently did not have a good understanding on the reality of the Russian military so they tried to execute a plan the military didn’t have the logistics or readiness to handle. They COULD have just slogged through the logistics and organizational issues and completed the siege of Kiev — but Western AT weapons flooded in, and because they couldn’t secure Kiev those weapons were quickly distributed to the TDF which wreaked massive casualties on the attackers, and the military which was much weaker then then it is today was FORCED to abandon the Kiev op. They were likely on the verge of revolt, it was too much. They didn’t have the option of just putting up with it, they were collapsing as a military organization so had to retreat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FSB evidently did not have a good understanding
      there's also the fact that monke had his fsb glowies bribe hundreds and thousands of pro-russian ukranian politicians, military leaders and other intelligencia to create a pro-russian network of moles and allies that would help russia to push ukraine into its sphere of influence.
      turns out the glowies assigned with doing it pissed away the money in one way or another, not really taking their task all too serious because monke never told them he'd actually invade ukraine, and most likely nobody seriously thought he ever would, with the dilapidated russian armed forces and all.
      once the invasion began it turned out that only a handful of those pro-russian moles were loyal to moscow and supposedly their influence eased the invasion of the southern coast, while majority of the others either got caught or were simply syphoning russian money while staying loyal to ukraine.
      it was such a shitshow that the glowBlack person responsible for this whole operation got gulag'd two weeks into the war.
      tho reportedly he was either fully released or is under arrest.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Beseda

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        'Member the Odesa grill party? I 'member.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah and it's good to see that russo-ukrainian relations keep the traditions in high regards

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Beseda
        >Sergey Orestovich Beseda
        >Orestovich
        >glowBlack person
        >his surname is "arresting guy"
        Bravo, Nolan!

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the critical reason for the failure of Russia's invasion is that it was overly ambitious and by late March it was clear that Russia did not have a large enough force and organized enough logistics to support the like 6 different axes of invasion simultaneously. Politically Putin wanted a rapid invasion that would end the war quickly, but in doing so he planned an invasion that couldn't work. It would have been better for Russia to focus on the Southern front where it actually had a lot of success so it could consolidate its successes elsewhere instead of putting the lion's share of its effort at Kyiv and losing it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn’t an invasion, it was an attempt to seige Kiev and force the Zelensky government to capitulate. Literally all they had to do was drive to Kiev. The Russian military simply didn’t have the logistics / organizational readiness to do that. If they had attempted an actual invasion it probably would have stalled out a few dozen miles past the border. Basically Putin was in violation of a basic rule of war, that’s all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It would have been better for Russia to focus on the Southern front where it actually had a lot of success so it could consolidate its successes elsewhere instead of putting the lion's share of its effort at Kyiv and losing it.
      Point is that limited goal simply didn't worse it. Losing entire land army and becoming international pariah to grab small peace of land? Thing is invasion was greenlighted because it promised crashing success with Russia avenging for Russian humiliation during Desert Storm and acquiring massive riches by pillaging 40 milions country. If Putin had crystal ball looking into future he wouldn't start the war in Ukraine.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      unfortunately there was no way to identify which of the axes had been successfully compromised by spys, which is why the southern axis worked so well

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No seriously what went wrong in Kharkiv why was the offensive downgraded to a feint and the Sumy offensive downgraded from happening to Not.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      they died.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        pretty sure that was the plan from the start, it's gotta be something else that went wrong

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          they didn't die gloriously enough.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, they struggled to keep even the shorter frontline after they abandoned the north. They got their ass kicked in Kharkiv and Kherson until they started conscription.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking Christ imagine they had HIMARS (especially the M30 with DPICM) and ATACMS back then.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They had a few bayraktars so that's why those mediocre roach drones got such an insane killing streak in the first few days of the war... Russian armored collumns were just slowly chugging around without a care in the world

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If I was China I would exploit Russia's current state and invade to retake manchuria and other lands that the Russians stole when Britain crushed the chinks and ... watch the US support and arm Russia against China while still supporting Ukraine against Russia and eat Russia's entire nuclear arsenal and forever disappear from the map.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push?
    It was initially a complete gamble - to *quickly* take the airfield, rush into Kiyv, hang Zelenski and proclaim victory. The whole plan should have been scrapped the moment VDV failed its task, they never had the logistical capabilites to support continuous assault, but they still went in, maybe because of inertia, maybe because of delusions or genuine fear of getting punished by the higher-ups

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The VDV had little to do with it, and they also succeeded. What failed were most of the land forces running out of logistics on the road to Kiev. The VDV’s successes were therefore squandered.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        the VDV couldn't take the airfield you dumb idiot, by the time they got reinforced by the land collumn the airfield was destroyed and worthless as a landing zone to move onto Kiev.

        By day 4 the airport was more ruins and destroyed armored vehicles than airport. We have the pictures.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >succeeded

        I've heard different things. There were VDV POWs who got interviewed and told from their own opinion.
        These little fricker had NO CHANCE against artillery and all of them though that this was just a regular practice routine.
        They never though of doing a full invasion in the first place.
        And yeah, I also remember one plane full of VDV got shot down before landing.
        I remember on of them said that they need a spatula to remove one of their VDV
        who died at Hostomel

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >addidasmaxxing to war theater

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Special Unit Omega's story about Hostomel is worth the read.

          https://teletype.in/@tysknip/HostomelEN

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad it failed. Ukraine needs to defend its land till the last man standing. I don't care if its some kid with a handgun. I just need this war to go on for much longer and more arms sent. Slava Ukraini

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I genuinely cannot understand the people who don't get why Ukraine is fighting. What kind of ultra-onions beta cuck do you have to be to let your nation's entire existence be wiped off the map to spare a few lives so you can live an existence as refugees or conquered slaves? Even disregarding every other argument, anybody who talks about giving Russia what it wants to 'save lives' is a fundamentally untrustworthy 5th columnist who would probably collaborate with the Chinese if they invaded America.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Most average Ukrainians (or anyone for that matter) don’t particularly care THAT much about who runs their country, just as long as their lifestyles, security, etc, don’t go downhill. They cast off the crooks and so they obviously don’t want Russia to install another set of crooks, but at the same time they’d rather have crooks in charge again then have constant blackouts and be dragged off the street by draft vans. Everyone everywhere is like that, hence the government suspending elections. It’s not even slightly difficult to understand.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > just as long as their lifestyles, security, etc, don’t go downhill
          Which they do under Russian rule. That's why they ousted the Russian puppet government and did not welcome the Russian invasion as "liberators".

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If they didn't care the war would be over already. If blackouts and conscription were the primary concern the war would be over already. People all over the world will fight to keep their shitty governments when foreigners frick around.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Crooks aren't the main con of the russian occupation.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone who thinks Ukraine should negotiate peace or a ceasefire are delusional facists. They'll win and continue existing (which they are doing and they'll end up taking RuZZian land) or they'll go down fighting to the last Ukrainian man, woman or child. If American politicans stopped sucking Putins dick, Moscow would've already fallen.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >and they'll end up taking RuZZian land
          Not gonna happen even though it should

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            that's when they start pulling out the older maps

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Most people who unironically say this are mearsheimgays. They believe everything should be reduced to one big big chess game where the US, Russia and China decide everything. People, societies and cultures have zero agency and are nothing more than pawns.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Mearsheimer is an academic, so his career depends upon his theory on "offensive realism" to be true. If Ukraine wins, his reputation is tarnished and his theories go out the window. He is but one political scientist.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >if Ukraine wins his reputation is tarnished
            How? If anything Ukraine proves that the US supporting Ukraine perfectly backs their desire to stay the world superpower by defeating any potential rival through a proxy war.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              If it ends in anything other than a total victory for Russia it disproves all the rhetoric about Russia doing this out of fear of nato expansion. The war has so far reinvigorated nato, added two more members, one of which is literally on the doorstep of St. Petersberg, and degraded the Russian military to the point that it is less capable than most third world nations. Everything putin has done so far has been in service of nato. And it's not even that a total Russian victory would prove mearsheimer's theory, it would just give him an avenue to cope that he wasn't wrong because all the above was "worth it". And through all this the US and the collective west can just maintain the optics of honoring their argreements (agreements that Russia also signed) rather than actually fighting a proxy war.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The US, Russia and China do decide everything, because the rest of the world can't be assed to give up their sovereignty in order to form political and economic blocks of similar size and power. Even the EU is famously both held in deadlock on many issues by nations who don't see things eye-to-eye with Germany or France, and also simultaneously exists just to serve those nations. Just ask any voter and they'll tell you.

          Doesn't change the fact that larger entities always beat the shit out of smaller ones, basically with impugnity, and that there won't be another polar power other than US/Russia/China (Soon to be US/China, then just the US after the next war) until everyone else realizes that making a collective power is more important than their personal lives. But of course they won't, because every single person alive is greedy and only do what suits them, with absolutely no exceptions. The polar powers there are, those are the only ones we're ever going to get.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            facts

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine needs to defend its land till the last man standing
      Based
      >I don't care if its some kid with a handgun
      And till there is at least one defender, disregard of is it a man or a kid, he will have his gun.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push?
    Because they got fricked up there to such a degree that you can't imagine. Simple as.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >They're doing that right now in the east anyway
    they didn't think the situation was gonna get this bad
    also they legitimately did not have the mobiks to spare at the time. Mobilisation came later.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      214th post best post

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did Russia abandon its Kyiv push?
    Take a guess

    Russian losses* last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded.
    04.07.2024
    Tanks —8132 (+9)
    Armored fighting vehicle — 15600 (+17)
    Artillery systems — 14777 (+65)
    MLRS — 1115
    Anti-aircraft warfare — 878 (+2)
    Planes — 360
    Helicopters — 326
    UAV — 11694 (+26)
    Cruise missiles — 2342 (+6)
    Ships (boats) — 28
    Submarines — 1
    Trucks and fuel tankers —19923 (+73)
    Special equipment — 2468 (+4).
    Military personnel — aprx.547470 (+1200)
    *Figures confirmed by OSINT counts of depletion at Russian weapons depots using satellite imagery

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Russian losses* last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded.
      05.07.2024
      Tanks — 8142 (+10)
      Armored fighting vehicle — 15611 (+11)
      Artillery systems — 14831 (+54)
      MLRS — 1115
      Anti-aircraft warfare — 878
      Planes — 360
      Helicopters — 326
      UAV — 11751 (+57)
      Cruise missiles — 2342
      Ships (boats) — 28
      Submarines — 1
      Trucks and fuel tankers — 19977 (+54)
      Special equipment — 2473 (+5)
      Military personnel — aprx. 548580 people (+1110)

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Russian army was disintegrating. We were watching footage of men dumping their officers , shooting them and fleeing in trucks

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They couldn’t maintain a supply route and their plan to seize Hostomel was fricked when Ukraine counterattacked at Hostomel before they could land reinforcements. An unsupported land push would have been sitting ducks for Ukrainian air and artillery attacks. Had they been able to hold Hostomel long enough to land more troops and vehicles maybe they could have pushed Kyiv.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hostomel was held until like mid-April and it was taken when the russian paras assaulting it got relieved the next day by an armored force from Belarus

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >it was taken when the russian paras assaulting it got relieved the next day by an armored force from Belarus
        What's with the schizo narratives itt? Hostomel was strewn with dead VDV and BMDs. Belarus never had anything to do with it, there are more Belarusians on the Ukrainian side than Russian

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Hostomel was held until like mid-April and it was taken when the russian paras assaulting it got relieved the next day by an armored force from Belarus
        The frick are you on about?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >On first sighting the Ukrainian territorial defense force I gave the signal to stall the relief convoy.
          >That's my style, sir.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >This is a report from Major Hoganov which differs somewhat from your own
            >Major Hoganov is merely an engineer
            >Major Hoganovs coat buttons up over a number of other duties. Major Hoganov reports a number of losses. First he says you lost your head and instead of destroying the bridge on the Dnieper you marched over it. Then you lost your nerve and ran from a small Ukrainian patrol. He says you lost a major, two sargeants and ten men. You destroyed the bridge stranding the rescue party led by Lieutenant Sharpsky. Major Hoganov leave the worst loss till last, you lost the Presidents bananas.
            >The fault is not mine sir Major Lennoxovich must answer
            >MAJOR LENNOXOVICH ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE AS YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IF YOU HAD ANY SENSE OF HONOUR

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Every time i come to this board im astounded at how much literal propaganda people regurgitate. Shit about soldiers selling fuel for vodka and etc lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't know

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      So why did the invasion suddenly run out of fuel?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      so why did it fail?

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I just don't understand. Russia is getting rekt in Ukraine so much harder than the US did in Vietnam, or the Soviets in Afghanistan. Why isn't there any mass unrest, how long will the Ruskies put up with this?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think its brewing but never underestimate propaganda

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Actually brewing, or like the permanently brewing US race war?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but western Belarus is more or less it's own fiefdom with strong Polish connections. It might go full Chechnya or stay in it's own quiet autonomy no one wants to talk about.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          you think a race war will not happen in russia as welll? Wherever globohomosexual is and pushes mixed populaces unrest follows.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      A very bad day in Iraq you'd lose 5 soldiers. Total.

      I think the world really was confused on what was going on in Iraq. They generally viewed us as liberators which really fricks with foreigners. The insurgency was 1 out of 100,000 Iraqis and foreigners so the Iraqis naturally sided with us.
      The Iraqis killed 8-10 times more insurgents we did and were vicious. They were old Saddam hardliners with histories. Even Iran was putting them down.

      They really fought for what they have now. They'd roll Iran in a war at this point. The Iranians know this so they are trying everything else they can to turn Iraq hard line shia but Iraqis after the last 30 years aren't buying anyone's bullshit

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Most of this is weird bullshit. Most Iraqis supported the insurgency and Iraq is mostly Shia and aligned with Iran.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Insurgency has been mostly sunnies, the core of ISIS has had a lot of baathists, how do tou think they managed to threaten the entirety of the region and nearly overrun multiple states? This was done by real militaries who fought a war against real armies and not some dipshit thugs getting paid by Tehran to molest israelite and sunni civilians, Hezbollah and Hamas wish they were as dangerous as ISIS.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            al-quida in iraq was an Assad backed operation involving former Baathist in co-coalition with Sunni extremists

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >how do tou think they managed to threaten the entirety of the region and nearly overrun multiple states?
            Chechen Russian GRU operatives and Russian ans Syrian intelligence (and money)as well as the Syrian air force in support against rivals until the US got directly involved after they attacked iraq

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            yeah the Mahdi army didn't exist and Iran didn't back Shia proxies

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Iraq is mostly Shia
          pproximately 95% to 98% of the population are Muslims, with Shia Muslims constituting around 55%, and Sunnis around 40%

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            61-64% actually. Is that a majority or no?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Most Iraqis supported the insurgency
          Lol no. The insurgency targeted mostly Iraqis.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            lol wrong

            Most Iraqis supported the insurgency, and it's one reason why America had to quit the war and why a pro-Iranian government took control

            Show me how many of Iraq's major oil fields are operated by American oil companies. I'll wait. lmao

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        For what I read they are still butthurt at the war of 2003, but that's more to do with the fact the charges were bullsht than any sympathy for uncle Saddam, as things stand now they will work with Iran to deal with non-shiite dissidents but they have no plans to replace baathists with some old mullahs from another country, on that regard iraqies have become extremely nationalistic, that's one uncle Saddam managed to pull out well enough.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has lost more dudes in Ukraine than the US did IN WW1, 2, Korea, Vietnam, both Iraqs, and Afghanistan, combined.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        jesus

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure about the general public, but I have a growing schizo theory that the Russian government can't stop the war at this point, since then they'd have to actually pay out everyone's contracts. They might not think they can handle that economic hit

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