Why did Putin refuse to take Ukraine on day 1 easily?

Geographically things couldn't have been more perfect for a Russian invasion. It should have been the easiest invasion in history.
Ukraine was already almost surrounded at the start. You just had to push a little south from Belarus with your main army to secure the Polish border and that's it. All Ukrainian forces are in the east so your push is completely unopposed and can be completed in a single day. You then automatically control the Romanian border, connect with Transnitria and are at Odessa from the west. On day 1.
With Ukraine surrounded it's over. There is no chance of any weapons entering. From there you have all the time in the world to do whatever you want to do with the Kiev regime. You can loot the refugees as a bonus and take all their money as they go west, and with anti-Russians fleeing Ukraine becomes more Russian than ever so there won't even be a need for a genocide of non Russians. It's simply perfect in every way.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was discussed months ago. Look at a map if the terrain your arrows go through. No roads, swamps, lakes, forests. Be a nightmare for mechanised units to attack through

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the Germans can move tanks through a forest so can Russians.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet they were completely confined to roads for the first several months.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_track
          You know tanks have tracks not for just for their aesthetics. They're built to not go on roads.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Logistics motherfucker what does it mean

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Just convert some BMPs into fuel tankers

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Dude it's a tank, it can just drive over anything
            I remember being 13

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Being fair, with a wide enough tracks and low enough weight, they basically can.
              We just don't do that because they die too easily.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hey spoiler alert tanks can't go through most of Ukraine during mud season did you think they lined up nicely on the roads for fun?
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputitsa

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most tanks can't, light tracked vehicles with a wide enough base probably could.
                It's all about power combined with surface to weight ratio on mud anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Here's what happens if you try to go off-road with your tank during Rasputitsa.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rasputitsa.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1) most of German logistics was still on horses/mules
        2) they didn't go through that particular region with any major force

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They Germans can't move tanks through a forest.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          *laughs in Wiesel*
          moron you have no idea

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't move tanks through the swamp, they moved around them and encircled 500,000 Soviet soldiers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Apparently not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And if Americans can change a regime on the other side of the planet, then puccia will surely be able to do the same to a country right on its borders! :^) because puccia strong! :^) second army in world! :^) you do not have such armies on West! did you see how manly their recruitment ads are?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The germans didn't move with tanks they used horses believe it or not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        German military prowess is miles above that of Russia. Russia can only survive against Germany when propped up by America. When they aren't, they get stomped flat (see: WW1).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russians
          come on 20 million Ukrainians fought the Germans in the red army

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you would look at the map: roads in that part of the country are mostly east-west
        - and if you still remember for the first weeks of the war Rus were stuck in mud the moment they left said roads.
        - also notice how close Kyiv is to the border - Rus bearly made it there and Your arrows are mych longer
        - imagine nightmare of logistics for large forces that far from Russia
        - there are practically no pro russian people on western side of the country - narration about "liberation" would be ridiculous and partisan activity much harder to control due to forests and wetlands.
        AND Ukraine could still be supplied trough Romania...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Look at a map if the terrain your arrows go through.
      I think the biggest thing I've learned from the past few months is nobody knows how to read a map anymore. GPS has ruined an entire generation.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I do, it's not that difficult. Google maps also still allows transferable skills.
        Though I am biased, when I was an early teen they unleashed us in some hilly wooded area with a map and a compass between two roads in groups of three and told us to have at it with goal of things to find.
        Being a kid was fun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm biased too. I play tons of war vidya and so reading maps for this very purpose is almost second nature - mostly along the lines of "yeah, you can't launch an offensive through a fucking marsh or through hills".
          But idiots today just wanna draw cope arrows everywhere.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin quite wrongly assumed that the west wasn't going to help Ukraine, so they didn't focus on the western border, instead thinking the entire army would capitulate if they managed to seize the capital in a few days. Most of their budget for buying out the locals seems to have disappeared to corruption in both countries as well, with only one region giving them the warm welcome they were expecting. The entire invasion plan was drawn up on completely inaccurate information and wild assumptions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, he just assumed he was going to take Kyiv with the help of spies and saboteurs.
      Utterly delusional.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's supposed to be "Master Spy"?

        Fucker couldn't even see a MASSIVE offensive coming, lol. He fell for the obvious trick ever!

        Master Spy? More like Mega Moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Putin was never a spy, he was a torturer. Subtlety was never his art

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I want to drive this home for you PrepHole.

          This "Master KGB Agent", in a age where we can fucking see EVERYTHING from fucking space, failed to see a massive offensive coming.

          Putin was never a spy, he was a torturer. Subtlety was never his art

          He's certainly no military mastermind. Against the Ukraine of 2022, he is hopelessly out of his league.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The entire invasion plan was drawn up on completely inaccurate information and wild assumptions.
      I get the very real impression that these warriors went to war, and then made a plan.
      Unforgivable.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uncle Luka was reluctant to let a large invasion force march through his territory. Also hard to do that super ultra clever genius tactic of not telling anyone you're amassing for an invasion and pretending it's "just drills lol" until the last possible second if you do it this way.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Attacking that close to NATO’s frontier is pretty much inviting American air strikes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would not invoke Article 5

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who said anything about Article 5, we're saying the US would bomb Russia and then tell Russia "What are you going to do about it bitch?"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          More likely it'd be something like "oh did a bunch of Russian tanks 20 miles from the Polish border mysteriously blow up? Oh dear, fog of war, who can say what happened?".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Poles would raid the convoys for the lulz

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Belarusian representative to the UN slams a toilet plunger down and demands to know why a Polish SOF unit destroyed 15 tanks in Belarusian territory
              >he claims that the plunger was found on the head of a Belarusian general
              >everyone cracks up laughing
              >UK representative passes out from laughter

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On paper - no.
        But a) Poland is not dumb and they are just waiting for Russians to give them a reason and b) given how fucking retarded Russian army is, I suspect they might invoke Article 5 by accident.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn’t need to, article 5 is a requirement, not a limitation

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he was joking.
    >he didn't wanna take of his gloves.
    >he didn't wanna raise his eye brown
    >he didn't wanna drop his VDV
    >he didn't wanna pee on the toilet seet
    >he didn't wanna say he want the banan.
    >etc

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >refuse

    What? moron, Puccia put everything on the line and lost.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian Imperial ARROGANCE.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Putin just fly on the eagles to Mordor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But I thought Russia was Mordor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s probably why they didn’t do it.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason why I refuse to be rich and bang hot sluts.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I did miss the colouring book encirclement logic

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Firstly, they attacked during mud season so their heavy vehicles were confined to the roads.
    Secondly, being that close to the Polish border means that the Russian forces wouldn't be able to make use of air support, lest a Russian pilot accidentally blow up a Polish AA asset and get their entire force in that region fucked in the ass with a meter-long kielbasa.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That was partly China's "fault" (or plan).

      Xi asked for the invasion to be pushed back to not distract from the Olypmics, which pretty much tipped us off that the assault was coming immediately afterward, lol.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its literally a repeat of ww2 with mussolini fucking up in greece

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My brother in Christ, the Russians couldn't even take Kharkiv, and you want them to drive 100s of km into enemy territory?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the point of an invasion.

      Logistics motherfucker what does it mean

      They could have taken roads. There are no fortifications in west Ukraine unlike the east.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with this sort of blyatskrieg is that any light infantry unit with modern ATGMs can just wait for your armor to pass them, then strike your logistics vehicles. Due to the distances involved you simply can't sustain tanks or heavy combat vehicles past 300-400 km into enemy territory without bringing fuel and ammo trucks with you.

        It worked for the Americans because they had air superiority (which helped them take out any enemy units with vehicles/strike barracks/assembly points) and were able to paralyze the Iraqi military to the point they didn't know where their units were, what the Americans were doing, or where to to fall back to as a defensive line.

        The Ukrainians were able to keep in contact with each other from hour 1, there were never any significant attacks on their civilian communication networks or power grids. I'm sure that the military communications systems they had were temporarily disabled, but that doesn't help when any Ukrainian soldier can just jump on their phone and text their CO in the next town over.

        In summary, the Russians may have been able to send a few BTGs towards Moldova, but they would have been harassed the entire way by TDF and at some point (within hours probably) whatever reserve units there were in the west would have established communications with higher commands, let the Russians bypass them, and then ambushed their logistical units.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          More crucially, Russians had "Muh Orders". Fixed battle plans with little room for deviation. Ukrainians could exploit changes in real time, moving far faster and far more unpredictably than the Russians could remotely adjust to.

          This will only get worse as the war continues.

          NOBODY wants to be the "Fall Guy", so the buck keeps getting passed upward.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't even call it responding in "real time". The Russians were obviously roadbound, all a hypothetical Ukrainian commander in the west would have had to do is grab some reserve units, give them some 80s/90s era ATGMs, and tell them "go to X, Y, Z highways, space yourselves out about 2-3 km, hide in bushes and only attack once the first group of Russian tanks has already passed".

            This isn't the sort of situation where you need to be proactively counterattacking or exploiting flanks. You literally have to sit in a bush on the side of the road for a few hours, count tanks until you get to about 10 or 20, then attack anything that's not a tank. You automatically, irrespective of the Russian commander's intent, paralyze his unit.

            This is the exact tactic that the Baltic countries have been trained on for years.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The most annoying thing has been trying to find out what Ukrainian units did what.

    I mean come on Kyiv. You can tell us what units heroically defended Kyiv. That was SIX MONTHS AGO. I want to see Unit Histories of the early part of the war. That's not ruining OPSEC.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And yes, I know "Kings and Generals" does tell quite a bit about individual heroic actions of the respective Ukrainian units involved.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hearing offyD talking about ukraine
        actually surreal, i knew he shilled kings and generals because he was on it but he is a fucking goofball

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Great bulk of damage in first days and weeks was dealt by 2S7 Pion wielding 43rd brigade and Tochka U's.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All Ukrainian forces are in the east so your push is completely unopposed
    All Ukrainian forces are in the East because all Russian forces are in the East. It's not easy to just move an army and it's logistical tail without being noticed.
    Second, look at the land Russia did take, it's all close to their boarder, to completely cut off Ukraine of Western aid they would have to capture territory over 400km away from their border and then hold it. That's forgetting that Moldova might choose to help for security guarantee's or the west might bring aid through the southern port cities since the Russian offensive isn't there.
    This isn't the insta-win you think it is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Moldova has no army. The only connection to Romania in the south is a bridge and it was blown up by the Russians. Russia shouldn't have any issues with pinning attacks in the east and maybe even a real faint on Kiev.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Moldova has no army.
        And? With NATO troops guaranteeing their safety they'll be fine. Russia was planning to invade them so they would jump at the chance for protection in return for letting NATO supply Ukraine.
        >The only connection to Romania in the south is a bridge and it was blown up by the Russians.
        You think NATO can't move supplies across a river.
        >Russia shouldn't have any issues with pinning attacks in the east and maybe even a real faint on Kiev.
        So now they are supposed to attack in the East when they don't even have the logistics to attack that deep in the west.
        Feint would not work because Russia can move any troops near the NATO boarder let alone enough to invade Ukraine and supply their army without Kyiv finding out.
        OP's map would not work because the plan is retarded. It would not cut off Western access.
        You would need the magical Russian army that only existed in the heads of people in 2021 to pull off that invasion.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You forget that we're dealing with Russia the 2nd most powerful military and the largest land army in Europe. You forget that Ukraine was written off by the US. NATO is deterred by nukes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia the 2nd most powerful military
            lol
            >and the largest land army
            lmao even

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh Putin, you wasted 20 years of your life trying to build up the Russian military into this great scary thing.....then your idiot grudge with Ukraine boiled over and you just had to FUCK UP. In a matter of months, the gallant Ukrainians have wrecked your best units and gear.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The second most powerful army in Ukraine maybe.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        open a fucking map polturd
        these are the people who think garden gnometin is the saviour of the white race

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't give me this bullshit you retard. There are 4 big parallel roads from Belarus to Lviv they could have simply take the roads I can't believe how dumb people are. There are 0 legit excuses.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Were you in command of the 40km Kiyv convoy ?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            three roads trough forests and marshes...

            ideal for defense not for attack - and imagine operating so close to the NATO border - ukie units could run into Poland and Rus would not be able to follow or shell them as there are US Army units stationed on that border....

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was a feint. taking over ukraine was never a goal.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia completely mis-underestimated the level of resistance from Ukrainians. FSB agents told Putin that Ukrainians would be welcoming Russians as liberators
    >Russian logistics is shit and couldn't keep up
    >the west is mountainous and difficult to attack into
    >attacked in a mud season so vehicles were slowed down
    Basically, he's a dumbass who attacked because his intelligence was poor and he thought attacking on 22/2/2022 would give him good luck.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >attacking on 22/2/2022 would give him good luck.
      With digits like that how is it even possible to lose?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Should have waited 200 years more

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Something they probably didn't count on was how much the west was going to unite to fuck over Russia's plans. They froze half of Russia's international funds immediately, sanctioned the shit out of them, and kept on supplying Ukraine with aid. Ukraine's own resistance also had a positive affect on all of this. When the advance on Kyiv was repelled, it started looking like Ukraine could really win, so everyone started to give them shitloads of weapons at that point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They didnt attack on 2/22/22 though, they attacked on 2/24

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he wanted to attack 02/02/22 for number magic reasons but didn't b/c the West said he was going to attack that day so he had to wait two days so he could say "rusia innocent" for 48 hours as if that matters

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It mattered a lot. They ignored the number magic and they got literally cursed by the sunflower woman.
          You ignore the advise of your shamans and then an old eastern european woman curses you, so ofc everything after that point was a big shit show for putin

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You mean in 2014? No idea

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There were the infamous VEH-DEH-VEH and saboteurs’ paradrops in Lviv region. They weren’t numerous, but they were. The thing is locals there speak with completely different accent that people in the regions around Dnipro river. The stupid russian gays can’t pronounce Ukrainian words and speak in Russian in homosexual accent (stretching out vowels, ringing “g” sound etc) different to Ukrainian Russian and they can’t blend in with Ukrainians (even the Russian speaking ones) and stand out like a sore thumb. But in Lviv region those “stealthy” dedovshina nonces were akin to zebras with a huge red bullseyes painted on their hollow foreheads.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's Russian Imperial Arrogance for you. They'd NEVER taint their "Pure Russian" with mere Ukrainian-Not-Real-Language.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      was there any kind of a follow-up with those paradrops in Lviv? I remember hearing about it happening but it seems like those VDV'shniki just used the opportunity to dip to Poland and live in the EU

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt that any of them managed to cross the border through two waves of not very welcoming border guards: Ukrainian and Polish. Moreover, the reports about captured vatniks in that region were not numerous. All people in Lviv region have a family member that fought as a “forest brother” (UPA) against the Soviets for a decade after the end of WW2 and they are rather hostile to anybody who speaks russian. Seems like the majority of paradropped saboteurs there got quietly buried in the woods instead of being taken as pows.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >All people in Lviv region have a family member that fought as a “forest brother” (UPA)
          Ukies call them forest brothers too? Sweet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All the VDV were captured by local partisans and sent to the West, never to be seen again.
        I'm putting myself in danger kiddo, but my investigation so far points to an underground HATO base known for extreme torture of prisoners, including but not limited to castration, rape, feminization and anal probing

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their divorce was quite nasty, and it prevented any good actions from being taken.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like Luka secretly sabotaged the assault on Kiev and gave Ukraine info on Russian positions. Maybe I'm wrong but he seems like the type of guy that gets a kick out of trolling people and playing both sides against each other.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That and I think Luka secretly resents Russian domination of Belarus. Dictator wants full control. He envies the power Ukrainians are winning via kicking Russia's ass. And since Belarus can't (yet) contest Russia's dominance, he's letting Ukraine do it for him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He secretly hopes that Putin government falls apart and he gets put as acting president of the region. Imagine the harvest and GomSelMash expansion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Memes really have just looped around into being the modern day newspaper comic, haven't they?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              maybe when they're shitty cia shill made ones

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Found a neat article on Putin's motives.

    He has Epileptic Personality Disorder.

    TLDR: Ukraine has stepped out of his comfort zone by not acting like a Slavic shithole anymore, and he cannot handle it like the bitch he is.

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/psychiatrist-explains-why-putin-hates-134000567.html

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >According to him, in everyday life, these kinds of people can have a violent affective reaction, if, in their opinion, something is not in its proper place. People like this boss everyone around, because, in their opinion, they are the only ones that can ever be right. They cannot accept the chaos of the world, so this is their way of keeping order, Dolynskyi explained.

      >At the same time, he notes, people with epileptic personality disorder cannot accept criticism and often react violently to it, because it destroys the picture of the order they want to impose.

      >“Obviously, the changes in Ukrainian society – the fact that it is freer, that it will not follow the old regime and socio-political system according to Soviet guidelines, according to which he grew up and the theses from which he still imposes on the people of his country - provoked this sort of rage from Putin. Since these changes go beyond the usual system in his understanding,” the psychiatrist said.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia wouldn't be able to supply an army that far west, it'd get bogged down the first 40 miles in because Belarus doesn't have the ability to supply a massive Russian army.

    Russia will not be able to secure the entire western Ukrainian border, especially since they'll be completely under NATO drone observation who'll tell the Ukrainians where to hit, when to hit, and how to hit.

    Your supply trucks all blow up and your Russian army starves.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically if the Russians had managed to both take and hold Hostomel Airport, there is a real chance that Kyiv would have gotten stormed before the Ukrainian Army had ample chance to ready itself. If the government had been captured or deposed in the first 48 hours of the event, it's far more likely that the situation as it stands would have devolved into if not a rout of the Ukrainians than at least a far more protracted civil war.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gesture of good will

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >going through the ultranationalistic Volhynian swamp lands and Galician hills/mountains would be the easiest invasion ever
    The Russians barely took the eastern and southern Ukrainian flatlands, where the population is more neutral to Russians. Russians would have been slaughtered in Western Ukraine to the last.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's a big ass mountain range right where that turning push is on the axis, if you think they had problems with logistics on flat land, an assault thru the carpathian mountains would have been a complete embarrassing failure

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gesture of good will

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This plan has one big flaw. What would be reaction of Polish soldiers and society seeing Ukrainian civilians overrun by tanks at border crossing? Also Polish minority around Lviv. I assure you stance would be "Blood for blood god". Some trigger-happy having Ukrainian wife/girlfriend would start all-out conflict.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nearly the entire Ukrainian-Belarusian border is made up of the Pripet marshes, a vast wetland along the Pripyat river which undergoes flooding and rasputitsa, making it difficult for the war of movement Russia tried to pull off.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A Russian tank would get destroyed and pop its turret into NATO territory. And it would trigger article 5

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >There is no chance of any weapons entering.
    alright then, all Putin needs to do is load the pre-war savegame he did.. or build a time machine, which ever is easier

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all Putin needs to do is load the pre-war savegame he did..
      >Error #34: savefile sexually corrupted
      Uh uh.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you really think NATO wouldn't shit themselves watching russian run down the border shooting

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they literally knew Putin was going to do it

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Am I seeing... a bigger cauldron attempt than all the failed ones? Yeah, sounds super easy, let's cauldron the whole of Ukraine.

    Ukrainian troops were all through Ukraine prior to the war and they concentrated where Russians did. You can't just say you would attack where there were no Uks.
    Russia wasn't able to advance more than 100km and you are expecting them to advance like 400 or 500km in a place that's even farther away from Russia. See the spaghetti advance nonsense that failed really bad where they tried it.
    I mean, Russia wasn't even able to surround Kiev, and Ukraine defeated that attack by themselves. How would this attack be more succesful?

    Not to mention, after amassing troops on the border with Ukraine and then invading, Poland would have a very convincing reason to glass the Russian troops if they amassed on the border with Poland, and call for article 5 even if they technically shot first. Plus even without article 5, NATO members would voluntarily support Poland in a fight with Russia in a situation where Poland was not a blatant aggressor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a feint.
      >Poland would have a very convincing reason to glass the Russian tr...
      ok brainlet stopped reading there

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are experts who will tell you the intricacies of economic, political, and militaristic factors which lead to the Russian defeats in Ukraine. But the foundation, the reason why Russia is loosing is simple: “We assumed better of ourselves and less of our adversaries.”
    History has shown that overestimating your abilities while underestimating your opponent is always a fatal philosophy.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > stretch your shitty military even thinner by attacking the regions with the most fervent russo-realists on the planet

    Genius.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was a good chance the invasion would get bogged down in the forrests and cut off by partisans. That could leave the entire army isolated from supply lines.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Putin just invade Ukraine for real?
    This whole "special military operation" is dumb, it's been seven months and he's still holding back the actual Russian military.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The operation alrwady entailed the majority of combat ready professional soldiers. The "real army" you speak of is conscripts and old men who would normally be the first to be fed into the meat grinder. Mobilization now would be a catastrophe. Without senior or elite forces trained and equipped to exploit the gaps created by the conscripts forces the war would become even more costly. Russias looking at a WW1 tier conflict to claim rubble and ghosts.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mobilization is bringing in the retards, their best have been fighting since day 1

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was expecting that during the first days of the war when I was expecting a swift Ukrainian defeat but instead the Russians cucked out and abandoned the northern front completely

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I certainly would have handled it differently:

    1. Strike critical infrastructure with cruise missiles immediatly.
    2. Heavy bombardment on all ukrainian airfields.
    3. A nuclear strike on Odessa to maximize the shock
    4. Don't move into town centers, wait for missile strikes to paralyze the country first.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1. Strike critical infrastructure with cruise missiles immediately.
      They tried that and it failed because russian cruise missiles are limited in number and low quality
      >2. Heavy bombardment on all ukrainian airfields.
      They tried that and it failed because russian cruise missiles are limited in number and low quality
      >3. A nuclear strike on Odessa to maximize the shock
      Congratulations NATO is now nuking you because the genie must never be let out of it's bottle and China has dropped you as an ally completely and might nuke you as well just to prove they're one of the cool kids

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