Not that anon but to me it'll be interesting to see what'll happen (if anything) once Ukr F-16s are plugged into the NATO ISR and radar environment that's existed over the area since the invasion.
Ukraine has apparently made *purchases* (not promised gibs) of new block AMRAAMS (blocks that aren't used in NASAMS, as I understand it).
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/58660295/#q58660295 >https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3433420/ >"Raytheon Missiles and Defense, Tucson, Arizona, was awarded a $1,151,111,454 firm-fixed-price contract for Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) Production Lot 37. This contract provides for the production of AMRAAM missiles, AMRAAM Telemetry System, initial and field spares, and other production engineering support activities. Work will be performed in Tucson, Arizona, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2027. This contract involves unclassified Foreign Military Sales to Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Finland, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom, which accounts for approximately 39% of the contract value." >"Note this is a new production contract, meaning only C-8 and D-3 are part of the contract. Ukraine currently does not have platforms that are integrated with C-8 or D-3 (NASAMS 1/2 that Ukraine has shoots A/B)."
If true, the only reason they would buy them is for slinging them off of NATO aircraft. I also wouldn't put it past the Bongs to possibly hand over some Meteors, either.
tl;dr it'll be interesting to see how these capabilities "plug in" to the NATO ISR and radar environment, but it'll probably still wind-up being a modest change to the situation, if any, I think.
Read the post again carefully >>"Note this is a new production contract, meaning only C-8 and D-3 are part of the contract. Ukraine currently does not have platforms that are integrated with C-8 or D-3 (NASAMS 1/2 that Ukraine has shoots A/B)."
and read
aka NASAMS, who aren't likely to fire AMRAAM-C because A/B are enough.
closely.
NASAMS is the ground launching component of a certain series of AMRAAM. Ukraine bought different AMRAAMS not intended for NASAMS, but are intended for launch from NATO aircraft.
The likelihood that Ukrainian NATO aircraft will be firing AMRAAMS is rather solid, at this point. And again, you can pretty much count on the Brits to get cheeky in what they send, as well.
At this point the question is less so on what they'll get, but how much of a difference, if any, what they get will make.
Not that anon but to me it'll be interesting to see what'll happen (if anything) once Ukr F-16s are plugged into the NATO ISR and radar environment that's existed over the area since the invasion.
Ukraine has apparently made *purchases* (not promised gibs) of new block AMRAAMS (blocks that aren't used in NASAMS, as I understand it).
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/58660295/#q58660295 >https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3433420/ >"Raytheon Missiles and Defense, Tucson, Arizona, was awarded a $1,151,111,454 firm-fixed-price contract for Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) Production Lot 37. This contract provides for the production of AMRAAM missiles, AMRAAM Telemetry System, initial and field spares, and other production engineering support activities. Work will be performed in Tucson, Arizona, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2027. This contract involves unclassified Foreign Military Sales to Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Finland, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom, which accounts for approximately 39% of the contract value." >"Note this is a new production contract, meaning only C-8 and D-3 are part of the contract. Ukraine currently does not have platforms that are integrated with C-8 or D-3 (NASAMS 1/2 that Ukraine has shoots A/B)."
If true, the only reason they would buy them is for slinging them off of NATO aircraft. I also wouldn't put it past the Bongs to possibly hand over some Meteors, either.
tl;dr it'll be interesting to see how these capabilities "plug in" to the NATO ISR and radar environment, but it'll probably still wind-up being a modest change to the situation, if any, I think.
the more important question is if the US has learned from Vietnam and allows Ukraine to hunt airframes anywhere in Russia. If not the impact will be minimal.
>the more important question is if the US has learned from Vietnam and allows Ukraine to hunt airframes anywhere
This, but it'll require a blanket lifting of restrictions on targeting inside Russia-proper with Western weapons. They'll need to degrade Russian radars and and AD even more than have on the other side of the border for any meaningful penetrations.
Better EW, RWR, countermeasures maybe. Idk what the 16s are going to be used for by the Ukies. Maybe they won’t be used any differently than the current MiGs, and they’ll just be bolstering the Ukie airforce to cover more territory?
Depends on what pods they get and if the US is willing to give them datalink with US AWACS, also a near clean F-16 high and fast can throw an AMRAAM a long way.
F-16s and MiG-31s will not be shooting each other down at any serious rate. Maybe there will be a couple of such incidents in the whole war.
F-16s are being given to do the bare minimum job of keeping the Ukrainian airforce alive and making sure they still have some sort of platform for launching various missiles.
Why isn't russia spamming 10,000 shaheds a day?
With their budget increase and the cheaper but superior Geran 2 it should be easy. No more iranian bottleneck.
That's the average per day given the current rate of launches against ukraine, idk if all of them are assembled in russia (with foreign engine, most of the avionic and servos).
I'm still 'waiting' for last year's announcements to come true. > "1000 wunderwaffle shaheds a day in two weeks™"
Russia has had lackluster intel so they don't know what to target. It seems like the generals are doing their own thing and there is very little coordination
why are burgers fighting with Russia instead of gobbling up israelitekraine and starting a2a training flights, where it would be possible to learn in practice the capabilities of the mig 31 against the F-15 or F-22
>oportunity cost of losing MiG-31 interceptor to become glorified 1st rocket stage with Mk1 human guidance computer >Ukrainians can tell when the Mig-31Ks take off, giving ample air raid warning >Iskander does everything the Kinzhal does, but cheaper
Because it's a completely useless weapon when normal Iskanders can already reach most of Ukraine.
Unless it's accuracy is less shit (lol), it's a waste of resources to create a propaganda win that was so shit the design team got gulag'd.
The weapon who's entire design team got arrested?
The weapon? Probably Russian retardation.
But the Mig-31 itself it's one of the main reasons why Ukraine can't really fly. I'm curious to see how it will fare when F-16's arrive.
How will F-16's be any different?
The MiG's will still hang back in Russian airspace and lob missiles.
Not that anon but to me it'll be interesting to see what'll happen (if anything) once Ukr F-16s are plugged into the NATO ISR and radar environment that's existed over the area since the invasion.
Ukraine has apparently made *purchases* (not promised gibs) of new block AMRAAMS (blocks that aren't used in NASAMS, as I understand it).
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/58660295/#q58660295
>https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3433420/
>"Raytheon Missiles and Defense, Tucson, Arizona, was awarded a $1,151,111,454 firm-fixed-price contract for Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) Production Lot 37. This contract provides for the production of AMRAAM missiles, AMRAAM Telemetry System, initial and field spares, and other production engineering support activities. Work will be performed in Tucson, Arizona, and is expected to be completed by Jan. 31, 2027. This contract involves unclassified Foreign Military Sales to Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Finland, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom, which accounts for approximately 39% of the contract value."
>"Note this is a new production contract, meaning only C-8 and D-3 are part of the contract. Ukraine currently does not have platforms that are integrated with C-8 or D-3 (NASAMS 1/2 that Ukraine has shoots A/B)."
If true, the only reason they would buy them is for slinging them off of NATO aircraft. I also wouldn't put it past the Bongs to possibly hand over some Meteors, either.
tl;dr it'll be interesting to see how these capabilities "plug in" to the NATO ISR and radar environment, but it'll probably still wind-up being a modest change to the situation, if any, I think.
Afaik AMRAAM can be ground launched for SAMs and that can be why they purchased them.
aka NASAMS, who aren't likely to fire AMRAAM-C because A/B are enough.
Read the post again carefully
>>"Note this is a new production contract, meaning only C-8 and D-3 are part of the contract. Ukraine currently does not have platforms that are integrated with C-8 or D-3 (NASAMS 1/2 that Ukraine has shoots A/B)."
and read
closely.
NASAMS is the ground launching component of a certain series of AMRAAM. Ukraine bought different AMRAAMS not intended for NASAMS, but are intended for launch from NATO aircraft.
The likelihood that Ukrainian NATO aircraft will be firing AMRAAMS is rather solid, at this point. And again, you can pretty much count on the Brits to get cheeky in what they send, as well.
At this point the question is less so on what they'll get, but how much of a difference, if any, what they get will make.
>I also wouldn't put it past the Bongs to possibly hand over some Meteors, either.
>Britain passing up a chance to enable Europeans to kill other Europeans
the more important question is if the US has learned from Vietnam and allows Ukraine to hunt airframes anywhere in Russia. If not the impact will be minimal.
>the more important question is if the US has learned from Vietnam and allows Ukraine to hunt airframes anywhere
This, but it'll require a blanket lifting of restrictions on targeting inside Russia-proper with Western weapons. They'll need to degrade Russian radars and and AD even more than have on the other side of the border for any meaningful penetrations.
>muh escalation
no they cant use them to shoot flying ladas in russhitia proper
Better EW, RWR, countermeasures maybe. Idk what the 16s are going to be used for by the Ukies. Maybe they won’t be used any differently than the current MiGs, and they’ll just be bolstering the Ukie airforce to cover more territory?
also HARM
Depends on what pods they get and if the US is willing to give them datalink with US AWACS, also a near clean F-16 high and fast can throw an AMRAAM a long way.
F-16s and MiG-31s will not be shooting each other down at any serious rate. Maybe there will be a couple of such incidents in the whole war.
F-16s are being given to do the bare minimum job of keeping the Ukrainian airforce alive and making sure they still have some sort of platform for launching various missiles.
Why isn't russia spamming 10,000 shaheds a day?
With their budget increase and the cheaper but superior Geran 2 it should be easy. No more iranian bottleneck.
What's doing monke?
>10,000 shaheds a day
I'd be shocked and impressed if they could produce 20 a day.
Right now the average seems to be 5 per day at best.
its optimistic to assume that they are producing 3 per day.
That's the average per day given the current rate of launches against ukraine, idk if all of them are assembled in russia (with foreign engine, most of the avionic and servos).
I'm still 'waiting' for last year's announcements to come true.
> "1000 wunderwaffle shaheds a day in two weeks™"
Because they already had iskander and kalibr
iskander hasn't done anything though is the entire point
What impact was it supposed to have? It's not like Ukraine has super carriers or expensive missile cruisers to shoot it at.
>this pos of shit sees the f-22 at around 200-150 km
>in DCS
I kneel
because a distributed networks are the opposite of the ideal target for a "precision" weapon.
hamas barely has an airfield
15 HIMARS destroyed
200 patriot obliterated
5 Boris Johnson vaporized
Russia has had lackluster intel so they don't know what to target. It seems like the generals are doing their own thing and there is very little coordination
why are burgers fighting with Russia instead of gobbling up israelitekraine and starting a2a training flights, where it would be possible to learn in practice the capabilities of the mig 31 against the F-15 or F-22
>oportunity cost of losing MiG-31 interceptor to become glorified 1st rocket stage with Mk1 human guidance computer
>Ukrainians can tell when the Mig-31Ks take off, giving ample air raid warning
>Iskander does everything the Kinzhal does, but cheaper
Because it's a completely useless weapon when normal Iskanders can already reach most of Ukraine.
Unless it's accuracy is less shit (lol), it's a waste of resources to create a propaganda win that was so shit the design team got gulag'd.
It's not actually that special and they haven't used that many of them