Because frankly it while it looked cool as hell it kinda sucked to actually use. Really mediocre trigger, managed to somehow be unpleasant in feel shooting, dunno. If you tried all the modern bullpups that get generally recommended, F2k would be dead last. Though there are some anons that do like their silly chubby babies but if they're being honest they'll at least admit it's a niche taste.
Result is that as competition heated up they stopped selling. So FN stopped making them. Which instantly made the price shoot up because they became "collector's items" but that's how it is. Same thing happened to one of my guns for a different reason which I regret.
It was too late the the bullpup party. They were in vogue in the late 70's, not the late 90's. Everyone else who adopted one that late made it domestically or had already bought the AUG.
>It was too late the the bullpup party
What the fuck are you talking about? Except for the Aug (and even that has had major revisions) what current popular bullpups are pre-2001? X95? 2009. VHS? 2009, VHS-2 was 2013. Keltec and DesertTech's ones are also more recent.
It's the opposite: the F2000 existed and went along at a time when options and competition was quite limited. Then a lot of much better bullpups came out and what sales there were shriveled.
FS2000 was better than all of those.
Few bullpups have staying power outside of the AUG. >new bullpup comes out >is popular for 5-10 years >fades away because bullpups are a meme >new bullpup comes out >cycle repeats itself
FS2000s time has come and gone. Same as MSAR, Tavor, MDR, and the VHS will be next.
Bullpups are novelties, their lifespan is short.
>FS2000 was better than all of those.
Hahahahahaha. Good one for a nopup. >Bullpups are novelties
No, they're the superior way to do guns, it simply took time for them to develop to the same degree since they started later.
95% of gun forum posts: >I want a gun that can do CQB, medium range, but still maintain terminal effect out to 600M without gucci ammo. >Hands bullpup >OMG that is SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> No, they're the superior way to do guns
Nobody who actually shoots says this.
Nobody who wins competitions says this.
Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
Every single SOF unit that gets the opportunity, ditches them like dirt for a diemaco, lmt, or hk AR.
The only people who defend bullpups are a bunch of tranime posters who have 0 experience doing anything other than shooting from a bench.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Skill issue.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>can’t refute a single point >tranime reaction image
Have fun with your tuck job, gay.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Nobody who actually shoots says this.
t.noguns >muh comp
yeah >Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
israel has seen more continuous hot war for the last 30 years than most >muh sof
yeah
seems bullpup superiority has caused some controversy
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Anonymous
>i have no argument
There are more pictures of israelis using M4s in combat than there are tavors.
Cry about it.
[...]
all valid except for >Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
Syrians have been converting AKs into bullpups specifically for their more special operation oriented forces, and we also see alot of them cropping up in *that specific conflict that shall not be named* as well, nicknamed the Malyuk.
Syrians are third worlders and do goofy third worlder shit, like use bullpups.
Ukrainians are getting a bunch of free gear, not surprising to see a plethora of guns in use.
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Anonymous
still doesn't take away from the fact that bullpups are seeing just as much combat as the humble AR and AK.
Not saying either or is better or worse, merely just an observation.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>There are more pictures of israelis using M4s in combat than there are tavors.
garden gnomes using free rifles rather than ones that cost money?!?!!!?!??
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Israel
Has been dropping their Tavors slowly for M4s and is now planning to fully replace them for all units except vehicle crewmen with their non-bullpup piston AR15 thing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
all valid except for >Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
Syrians have been converting AKs into bullpups specifically for their more special operation oriented forces, and we also see alot of them cropping up in *that specific conflict that shall not be named* as well, nicknamed the Malyuk.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Is that a homemade suppressor? I wish we could talk about that war without it getting derailed by brown 4chan smokers.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It is, alot of these rifles and suppressors come hand made from Idlib.
CalibreObscura has alot of good info on it, much more than my dumbass could convey properly
https://www.calibreobscura.com/
and as for -that- war, we'll most likely have to wait till it concludes before any actual discussion can be had that isn't shillposting/chimp behavior. It's the current hot thing.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>talk about that war without it getting derailed by brown 4chan smokers.
Anon if browns make you seethe think about your own inadequacies first.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>2016 tourist complaing about other 2016 tourists
this planet needs a good long nuclear war
1 month ago
Anonymous
all valid except for >Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
Syrians have been converting AKs into bullpups specifically for their more special operation oriented forces, and we also see alot of them cropping up in *that specific conflict that shall not be named* as well, nicknamed the Malyuk.
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Anonymous
Every single time the same hollow arguments are always carted out by the pupless. Just a quick series of questions for you, are you an SOF opr8r? Do you shoot comp? Do you actually do anything besides put holes in paper or ring steel like most people? Moreover, ever consider that the one occasion you'll likely ever need to use a rifle to kill a person is if they break into your house? I.E. the one scenario where bullpus completely run circles around any standard layout rifle?
L85, FAMAS. The widespread trials/adoption of the bullpup coincided with the adoption of the 5.56. By the late 90's most countries had already adopted their STANAG dispenser of choice, and were unlikely to adopt a new design so soon.
>VHS
Going away from WARSAW equipment, so an outlier >garden gnome stick
don't care garden gnomes aren't people, and God hates them.
>because no one bought it
Because it was overpriced. I would have bought one if they didn't put a 5000% markup on what an actual profitable yet still fair price would be.
No, there weren’t any FS2000s being sold in the US until after the AWB expired in 2004.
The original ones with the integrated optic were about $1700.
Then around 2010 when they tried to modernize them and had the flat top/rail handguard and green models out they were about 1500.
SCAR came out around then and had the SOCOM factor going for it and they disappeared around 2012-14 I think.
The F2000 worked fine, but has a real weakness: if a round gets stuck inside, the procedure to clear it and dissasebly it's just too cumbersome compared to other rifles.
That, the price, and the SCAR being its sucessor basically killed it as a product.
Look at the most watched war zone right now. Ukraine is using AK and AR pattern rifles, but right behind them are bullpups AKs and Tavors all over the warzone
Had one. Bought it for use in vehicles. In that roll it excelled. >very compact >ambi controls >brass wouldn't be flying everywhere, just tumbled out.
Sold it after I left that job.
because no one bought it
Because SCAR 16.
Are these ergonomic? They look really bulky
Its like hugging a chubby girl. Conforms to your body, but rear end still gets in the way.
surprisingly comfy.
I really wanted to get one but its a shame they are all 4k+ on GB
Curves too ladylike for all these gay armies.
Because frankly it while it looked cool as hell it kinda sucked to actually use. Really mediocre trigger, managed to somehow be unpleasant in feel shooting, dunno. If you tried all the modern bullpups that get generally recommended, F2k would be dead last. Though there are some anons that do like their silly chubby babies but if they're being honest they'll at least admit it's a niche taste.
Result is that as competition heated up they stopped selling. So FN stopped making them. Which instantly made the price shoot up because they became "collector's items" but that's how it is. Same thing happened to one of my guns for a different reason which I regret.
It was too late the the bullpup party. They were in vogue in the late 70's, not the late 90's. Everyone else who adopted one that late made it domestically or had already bought the AUG.
>It was too late the the bullpup party
What the fuck are you talking about? Except for the Aug (and even that has had major revisions) what current popular bullpups are pre-2001? X95? 2009. VHS? 2009, VHS-2 was 2013. Keltec and DesertTech's ones are also more recent.
It's the opposite: the F2000 existed and went along at a time when options and competition was quite limited. Then a lot of much better bullpups came out and what sales there were shriveled.
FS2000 was better than all of those.
Few bullpups have staying power outside of the AUG.
>new bullpup comes out
>is popular for 5-10 years
>fades away because bullpups are a meme
>new bullpup comes out
>cycle repeats itself
FS2000s time has come and gone. Same as MSAR, Tavor, MDR, and the VHS will be next.
Bullpups are novelties, their lifespan is short.
>Few bullpups have staying power outside of the AUG.
That's because the 1977 marked the creation of the alpha and omega of the bullpup genre.
>FS2000 was better than all of those.
Hahahahahaha. Good one for a nopup.
>Bullpups are novelties
No, they're the superior way to do guns, it simply took time for them to develop to the same degree since they started later.
95% of gun forum posts:
>I want a gun that can do CQB, medium range, but still maintain terminal effect out to 600M without gucci ammo.
>Hands bullpup
>OMG that is SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Horses can be brought to water.
> No, they're the superior way to do guns
Nobody who actually shoots says this.
Nobody who wins competitions says this.
Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
Every single SOF unit that gets the opportunity, ditches them like dirt for a diemaco, lmt, or hk AR.
The only people who defend bullpups are a bunch of tranime posters who have 0 experience doing anything other than shooting from a bench.
Skill issue.
>can’t refute a single point
>tranime reaction image
Have fun with your tuck job, gay.
>Nobody who actually shoots says this.
t.noguns
>muh comp
yeah
>Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
israel has seen more continuous hot war for the last 30 years than most
>muh sof
yeah
seems bullpup superiority has caused some controversy
>i have no argument
There are more pictures of israelis using M4s in combat than there are tavors.
Cry about it.
Syrians are third worlders and do goofy third worlder shit, like use bullpups.
Ukrainians are getting a bunch of free gear, not surprising to see a plethora of guns in use.
still doesn't take away from the fact that bullpups are seeing just as much combat as the humble AR and AK.
Not saying either or is better or worse, merely just an observation.
>There are more pictures of israelis using M4s in combat than there are tavors.
garden gnomes using free rifles rather than ones that cost money?!?!!!?!??
>Israel
Has been dropping their Tavors slowly for M4s and is now planning to fully replace them for all units except vehicle crewmen with their non-bullpup piston AR15 thing.
all valid except for
>Nobody who actually patrols or goes to war says this.
Syrians have been converting AKs into bullpups specifically for their more special operation oriented forces, and we also see alot of them cropping up in *that specific conflict that shall not be named* as well, nicknamed the Malyuk.
Is that a homemade suppressor? I wish we could talk about that war without it getting derailed by brown 4chan smokers.
It is, alot of these rifles and suppressors come hand made from Idlib.
CalibreObscura has alot of good info on it, much more than my dumbass could convey properly
https://www.calibreobscura.com/
and as for -that- war, we'll most likely have to wait till it concludes before any actual discussion can be had that isn't shillposting/chimp behavior. It's the current hot thing.
>talk about that war without it getting derailed by brown 4chan smokers.
Anon if browns make you seethe think about your own inadequacies first.
>2016 tourist complaing about other 2016 tourists
this planet needs a good long nuclear war
Every single time the same hollow arguments are always carted out by the pupless. Just a quick series of questions for you, are you an SOF opr8r? Do you shoot comp? Do you actually do anything besides put holes in paper or ring steel like most people? Moreover, ever consider that the one occasion you'll likely ever need to use a rifle to kill a person is if they break into your house? I.E. the one scenario where bullpus completely run circles around any standard layout rifle?
L85, FAMAS. The widespread trials/adoption of the bullpup coincided with the adoption of the 5.56. By the late 90's most countries had already adopted their STANAG dispenser of choice, and were unlikely to adopt a new design so soon.
>VHS
Going away from WARSAW equipment, so an outlier
>garden gnome stick
don't care garden gnomes aren't people, and God hates them.
>because no one bought it
Because it was overpriced. I would have bought one if they didn't put a 5000% markup on what an actual profitable yet still fair price would be.
MSRP was ~$1500 if I'm not mistaken, so that's price competitive to similar offerings. Current market value is full retard though.
>MSRP was ~$1500 if I'm not mistaken
I hope you are? Iirc, my shop had at least 1 for <$1200. That was '95 dollars.
I'd believe that. ~1500 was the number Bud's spat out from a quick and lazy search. Were those things imported during the AWB?
No, there weren’t any FS2000s being sold in the US until after the AWB expired in 2004.
The original ones with the integrated optic were about $1700.
Then around 2010 when they tried to modernize them and had the flat top/rail handguard and green models out they were about 1500.
SCAR came out around then and had the SOCOM factor going for it and they disappeared around 2012-14 I think.
so they could make other overpriced stuff
Because the kind of autists who appreciate bullpups and wanted an FN had already bought the other plastic waffle gun.
The F2000 worked fine, but has a real weakness: if a round gets stuck inside, the procedure to clear it and dissasebly it's just too cumbersome compared to other rifles.
That, the price, and the SCAR being its sucessor basically killed it as a product.
This. Full stop.
Retards
Look at the most watched war zone right now. Ukraine is using AK and AR pattern rifles, but right behind them are bullpups AKs and Tavors all over the warzone
Because it's 2023 OP, if they made it now it'd be the FN2023
I liked the integrated optic
Sandy Hook happened and the current generation of gun owners would not buy anything that wasn't an AR. We are stuck in that current hell today too.
Had one. Bought it for use in vehicles. In that roll it excelled.
>very compact
>ambi controls
>brass wouldn't be flying everywhere, just tumbled out.
Sold it after I left that job.
2001 came around
Cause it's bad