They'll likely destroy one, but the K:D for HIMARS is insane. I understand why nobody wants to fight a conventional war with the US. However, both the US and Israel need to get better at alternative warfare.
>alternative warfare >suffer minimal casualties while inflicting a ton in Iraq/Afghanistan >defeats Soviet Union through proxy war >cripples Russia through proxy war
Ok. You can claim Astan and Iraq as political failures. Certainly not military failures
You don't know how to use it. You stay out of bounds on your base behind a hill and fire from there. It was underpowered though and lack of destruction was gay.
Something that can shoot and scoot at that range is a very hard target without air superiority.
Against a real military they would be killed by choppers and planes pretty quickly.
You need air presence for that. It's a mobile platform so you can't hit it with Iskander or Kalibr, like building. It out of range of most arty and probably only fires and immediately scoots from within range of anything good ( like Smerch etc ). Probably operates within umbrella of at least some AD to stop simpler air attacks.
So you ping a HIMARS launch 5 KM outside your GRAD range. It'll be out of it in 2 minutes. How'd you hit it?
These have the right idea. You have a truck that can be anywhere within a few hundred square miles, shoot a bunch of rockets with extreme precision, then fuck off in minutes. The rockets don't come in a straight line, so you can't just shoot in the direction of where they came from, and it's shooting from behind enemy lines. You can't go find it with armor or infantry, you can't get a bead on it with artillery, and it's gone too fast to reliably hit it with cruise missiles.
The only way you're hitting it is if you already have a jet in the air that can see the missiles and can track it down with IRST. Even then, it's probably operating within AA range, so you need SEAD or stealth to even attempt to kill it or you're out a jet PLUS whatever the HIMARS hit.
Since Russia can't into stealth or SEAD, there's very little chance they're ever getting a kill on one unless they get really lucky with a cruise missile and hit one undergoing maintenance by accident, or if they get intel on one's exact location at a certain date and time. Either are extremely unlikely so long as Ukraine comtinues their streak of relative competence.
Something that can shoot and scoot at that range is a very hard target without air superiority.
Against a real military they would be killed by choppers and planes pretty quickly.
you can't assume air superiority. apaches got smoked in iraq too when they tried attacking. > On 24 March 2003, 31 Apaches were damaged; one was shot down in an unsuccessful attack on an Iraqi Republican Guard armored brigade near Karbala.
in ukr it would be dispersed infantry in hiding with manpads. there is also not a shortage of other AA systems.
Apaches lead the first major SEAD operation of the Gulf war. Sure they are vulnerable to MANPADS but terrain plays a huge factor in how useful they are.
over there you just have open fields with separating patches of trees between, a perfect hiding place for a manpad team. also great visibility forward, but i don't know how good is the thermal on the chopper during the day - what would be the probability that the heli would detect them before the attack.
russian helis are shooting from the edge of the envelope of their missiles for that exact reason.
You need air presence for that. It's a mobile platform so you can't hit it with Iskander or Kalibr, like building. It out of range of most arty and probably only fires and immediately scoots from within range of anything good ( like Smerch etc ). Probably operates within umbrella of at least some AD to stop simpler air attacks.
So you ping a HIMARS launch 5 KM outside your GRAD range. It'll be out of it in 2 minutes. How'd you hit it?
that vehicle is a Leer-2 electronic warfare vehicle, basically a radio direction finder and jammer
tracks and jams communications but also drones, so a key target
Their CBAT is way too slow to react to one. HIMARS can pull up, shoot and move in minutes. Its even faster than most SPGs at shoot and scoot and the longer range means even slower assets have to counter fire.
Brain drain. All the talented and educated Russians want to move to the US, European Union, or even Japan or Korea simply because they'd be paid better.
Ukies have also been very good/strict about using them within these constraints, fwiw. I'm sure it frustrates them at times but still having the entire fleet up and running must be paying off
Shoot and scoot tactics. By the time the Russians can figure out where the rockets are coming from and get fire on that spot the HIMARs are long gone. It's like playing whack-a-mole with 10 seconds of lag.
thanks
because they are bad at war.
They'll likely destroy one, but the K:D for HIMARS is insane. I understand why nobody wants to fight a conventional war with the US. However, both the US and Israel need to get better at alternative warfare.
>alternative warfare
if this still means 'trying to nag jihadis feminist', the US should just avoid it entirely
The US should become more accepting of genociding Muslim populations (merited)
>alternative warfare
>suffer minimal casualties while inflicting a ton in Iraq/Afghanistan
>defeats Soviet Union through proxy war
>cripples Russia through proxy war
Ok. You can claim Astan and Iraq as political failures. Certainly not military failures
battlefield 4 didnt do justice this weapon system
battlefield 4 doesn't do most weapons justice because modern war isn't fun
You don't know how to use it. You stay out of bounds on your base behind a hill and fire from there. It was underpowered though and lack of destruction was gay.
This is also how the artillery truck in Battlefield 1 works.
>direct HIMARS hit on a vehicle does 20% damage
LAAAAME. Couldn't make it too overpowered
It was OP in BF4 what do you mean
Only because people would dump it's entire payload on 1 target
They're always on the move, Russian counter battery is garbage, and they lack air dominance meaning they can't just have an SU snipe it when it fires.
These have the right idea. You have a truck that can be anywhere within a few hundred square miles, shoot a bunch of rockets with extreme precision, then fuck off in minutes. The rockets don't come in a straight line, so you can't just shoot in the direction of where they came from, and it's shooting from behind enemy lines. You can't go find it with armor or infantry, you can't get a bead on it with artillery, and it's gone too fast to reliably hit it with cruise missiles.
The only way you're hitting it is if you already have a jet in the air that can see the missiles and can track it down with IRST. Even then, it's probably operating within AA range, so you need SEAD or stealth to even attempt to kill it or you're out a jet PLUS whatever the HIMARS hit.
Since Russia can't into stealth or SEAD, there's very little chance they're ever getting a kill on one unless they get really lucky with a cruise missile and hit one undergoing maintenance by accident, or if they get intel on one's exact location at a certain date and time. Either are extremely unlikely so long as Ukraine comtinues their streak of relative competence.
Something that can shoot and scoot at that range is a very hard target without air superiority.
Against a real military they would be killed by choppers and planes pretty quickly.
you can't assume air superiority. apaches got smoked in iraq too when they tried attacking.
> On 24 March 2003, 31 Apaches were damaged; one was shot down in an unsuccessful attack on an Iraqi Republican Guard armored brigade near Karbala.
in ukr it would be dispersed infantry in hiding with manpads. there is also not a shortage of other AA systems.
Apaches lead the first major SEAD operation of the Gulf war. Sure they are vulnerable to MANPADS but terrain plays a huge factor in how useful they are.
over there you just have open fields with separating patches of trees between, a perfect hiding place for a manpad team. also great visibility forward, but i don't know how good is the thermal on the chopper during the day - what would be the probability that the heli would detect them before the attack.
russian helis are shooting from the edge of the envelope of their missiles for that exact reason.
You need air presence for that. It's a mobile platform so you can't hit it with Iskander or Kalibr, like building. It out of range of most arty and probably only fires and immediately scoots from within range of anything good ( like Smerch etc ). Probably operates within umbrella of at least some AD to stop simpler air attacks.
So you ping a HIMARS launch 5 KM outside your GRAD range. It'll be out of it in 2 minutes. How'd you hit it?
>How'd you hit it?
guided missiles and have a decent JTAC/recon team following it
>decent hunter killer team
The guys capable of doing that mission set got thrown into the first wave at kiev and are dead
what's that dome on the jeep in the first movie, radar?
that vehicle is a Leer-2 electronic warfare vehicle, basically a radio direction finder and jammer
tracks and jams communications but also drones, so a key target
Their CBAT is way too slow to react to one. HIMARS can pull up, shoot and move in minutes. Its even faster than most SPGs at shoot and scoot and the longer range means even slower assets have to counter fire.
Why can't they build their own?
Brain drain. All the talented and educated Russians want to move to the US, European Union, or even Japan or Korea simply because they'd be paid better.
Fire and maneuver tactics are pretty safe when you're 80/400Km's from your target.
Ukies have also been very good/strict about using them within these constraints, fwiw. I'm sure it frustrates them at times but still having the entire fleet up and running must be paying off
Remember how russians once spotted himars and called in arty, arty was like 1-2km off
No, because the russians literally do not have artillery that can reach HIMARS. If there's ever one that they "spot and attack" it's likely a decoy
Remember how Russia claimed they already destroyed all the HIMARS in Ukraine?
Shoot and scoot tactics. By the time the Russians can figure out where the rockets are coming from and get fire on that spot the HIMARs are long gone. It's like playing whack-a-mole with 10 seconds of lag.