Why can't Russia protect their long range radars against ATACMS strikes?

Remember that recent strike on Luhans'k airport? Well we found out what the Ukies were targeting and what they hit, it was another Russian long range radar system.

>Satellite imagery shows that a Ukrainian strike last night on an airfield near the capital of Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region looks to have targeted an advanced Russian long-range radar system. The potential loss of elements of the Nebo-M radar system could have significant impacts on the ability of Russia's forces to detect, track, and attempt to intercept various aerial threats, including ballistic missiles. To underscore the point, there are unconfirmed reports that U.S.-made Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) short-range ballistic missiles were used in the strike in the first place

Why are the Ukies focusing down Russian radars? And why can't the Russians protect them?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are the Ukies focusing down Russian radars?
    I wouldn't worry about it.
    >And why can't the Russians protect them?
    It's not a radar war*~~*~~)

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clearing the air for the F-16s, I hope.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are the Ukies focusing down Russian radars?
      Likely preparation for F-16s. And radars are valuable targets that russian can't easily replace.
      >And why can't the Russians protect them?
      When soviets were designing their systems, they expected the targets to be at least fighter sized. And russia has not improved since then.

      How degraded are Russian radar and AD capabilities in/around Ukraine? Are Ukies/NATO able to pick up the drop in capabilities in order to send in F-16's?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >How degraded are Russian radar and AD capabilities in/around Ukraine?
        Assuming very degraded, but getting more accurate answer than that would require information that even Putin probably does not have access on.
        >Are Ukies/NATO able to pick up the drop in capabilities in order to send in F-16's?
        Sending them in was never really an issue as apparently russia has no capacity to accurately target western parts of ukraine. Issue is near frontline operations where getting shot down is a real risk.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are they flying any AWACS A-50 planes any more? A couple of them got shot down and now it's been pretty silent.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Less degraded than ukraine and nato would want, way more than ziggers would like to admit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's saying nothing moron, ukraine wants them to be 100% degraded, ziggers will claim it's working at full capacity

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is estimated to have over 10,000 S-300 compatible missiles. Zelensky himself claimed that number, and from what I've ready it's realistic.

        In terms of actual launchers, it's under 1000, in 2017 they had something like 800.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          funny how the # of radars isn't announced

          really makes you think

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Missiles can't be shot without TELs and TELs can't be aimed without radars

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's about punching holes in areas to hit Putin puts more out repeat. It's a logistics nightmare to move the fricking things and train someone on them. How many left that work that Putin could lose before national defense is an issue my guess would be 100-200 working launchers and crews. Eventually they'll take out a large hole and f 16s will exploit it. Right now it's just costing putin a shit ton of money. It's the step one of a nato attack by the way. Take out the air defenses. Then c and c. It's mostly a target of opportunity for Ukrainians is my guess. They are expensive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Clearing the air for the F-16s
      Belgium will deliver its batch in 2028. They seem to be rushing it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Belgium is not the only one delivering. And considering that russia can't really easily replace the radar losses, it seems like a good idea to blow up them everytime there is a chance for it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Assuming russia still has some vaccum tube/magnetron tube(tetrode/klystron etc) factories for the radio part of the radar, how fricked are they regarding silicon/processing power ie FPGAs or ASIC domestic production?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >how fricked are they regarding silicon/processing power
            Unless China becomes really, really, really kind in the next couple years? Incredibly fricked.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Illiterate moron, or do you read headlines and then make up the rest of the story in your head?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >or do you read headlines and then make up the rest of the story in your head
          I mean what the frick do you think they do?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Improves effectiveness of future ATACMS strikes too. With AA you'd constantly need excess missiles and have interceptions. Do that once for AA sites and other targets are almost guaranteed single missile hits. Additionally you can use cheaper, slower and simpler systems in those areas.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-f-16-aircraft-russia-front-war-1863138

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That was export radar version operated by Zimbabwe mercenaries, not a real deal.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its a meatwave war
    radar literally does not matter
    Desperate Flailing just like Tsiklon, great you sunk a small boat, how are those buckling frontlines looking?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >its a meatwave war
      with no AA it's about to be a heatwave war for ziggers lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No napalm provided to Ukrainians
        >No anti-personnel white phosphorus provided to Ukrainians
        >no Cold War surplus Warsaw Pact flamethrowers available to Ukrainians
        Everyday I curse the lack of incendiary munitions that isn't just thermobaric or shitty thermine ammo for the Ukrainians in this war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are the Ukies focusing down Russian radars?
    Likely preparation for F-16s. And radars are valuable targets that russian can't easily replace.
    >And why can't the Russians protect them?
    When soviets were designing their systems, they expected the targets to be at least fighter sized. And russia has not improved since then.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh no, Russians will keep dying for months, probably another year and a half.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian jamming capabilities have increased massively to the point that many gps only missiles like HIMARS systems and JDAMs have around 60 - 70% failure to hit within CEP rates because of that forcing the Ukrainians to send many more missiles towards the same target and reduce the overall number of targets. ATACMS seems not affected by jamming so far.

      Without radars they won't be able to point their jammers towards the incoming missiles till a replacement comes which opens the door for missile strike.

      Also depletion of AA systems is useful for Ukraine in the long run as when they will get a usable air wing they will have less systems to deal with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian jamming capabilities have increased massively
        They have not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yeah huh

        >Russian jamming capabilities have increased massively
        They have not.

        >nuh uh

        NONE OF YOU ARE PRIVY TO THE ACTUAL GROUND SITUATION YOU KNOW NOTHING SHUT THE FRICK UUUUUUP THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO FRICKING YEARS I HATE YOU homosexualS SO MUCH

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don't need to devolve to all caps just because you're wrong, idiot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i didn't make a claim, turboBlack person.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Feel free to substantiate your claims. I grant you permission.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im not a party to your shitflining but improvements in Russian EW has been reported on quite widely. The anon saying that they use radar to "aim" the EW is a moron though. Some EW is a vector that you "aim" but 99% of it is more like a bubble.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >improvements in Russian EW has been reported on quite widely.
                Yet you cannot produce a single one of these reports. It must not be "quite widely" or you're a lying piece of shit trying to prop up a capability that simply isn't there. Frick you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/23/russia-is-starting-to-make-its-superiority-in-electronic-warfare-count
                https://www.businessinsider.com/us-himars-completely-ineffective-against-russian-jamming-report-2024-5
                https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/24/russia-jamming-us-weapons-ukraine/

                It was also discussed in the video released by the Bundesheer. Idk why you're freaking out about this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nowhere does it state there have been large improvements, this is the same equipment they had since before the war. Try to control your outbursts, dolboeb.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >give me one source
                >okay, you could just google it but sure here:
                >no no no I dont like them it doesn't count
                Grow up.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no I already gave you the source even though it doesn't confirm my statements, reeeee
                You must get bullied on the short bus a lot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >didnt read the source
                What is so controversial about this? Why is it getting you so riled up. What the frick.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I did, you're the only blithering fricktard who just copied and pasted links without even looking at the articles. There is no military development left in Russia, not after 2022 when most educated people left the country and all their access to modern technology was blocked. Whatever they're using, they had since before the invasion, they're just probably bothering to use it now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, second article details how HIMARS effectiveness has deteriorated. Whether its tech from before the war or after the war doesn't fricking matter. Their EW has improved, how or why is not really important. What's important is that its working and we need to figure out a way either to shield our precision munitions to a higher degree or develop something for the Ukrainians to use to counter Russian EW. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't help with either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, second article details how HIMARS effectiveness has deteriorated.
                That was never a factor in the initial statement, which was:
                >Russian jamming capabilities have increased massively
                And they have not, they're the exact same capabilities they started the war with. Also your articles clearly state that only excaliburs and GLSDBs are affected. They still have nothing against ATACMs, as shown in vid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not defending his argument but one possibility is that the conscripts didn't know how to use their EW gear at the start of the war, and that the ones who survived eventually found out how to make it work.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but it sounds like remedies to EW jamming are already propagating to the front. Recent aid tranches to Ukraine have included IR guidance and cheap IR that can be mounted on drones to spotlight targets, for one thing. My guess is EW-specific weaponry is already in R&D (probably something like smaller/cheaper HARM).
                There’s a tendency to see developments as steady-state rather than as the latest move in a chess game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im more focused on HIMARS and Excalibur because China. I'm also interested to see if there could be some kind of HARMS like development, but instead the seeker targets the emissions used by EW transmitters. That would be the shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Feel free to substantiate your claims. I grant you permission.
                i didn't make a fricking claim.
                i'm saying all of (you)
                should SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT SUBJECTS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HAVE NO INFORMATION ON
                because you have been shitting up my board with this for TWO YEARS STRAIGHT

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >my board
                Somebody call the WAaaaa-mbulance cause baby zigger here doesn't like people talking about how shit Russia is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The war is immoral and the Russian leadership should be hanged at the Hague. That's not the point of what I'm saying.
                Don't project your political bullshit on me, moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GMLRS has a 5m CEO, even if GPS jamming triples that it will land close enough to just about any target to frick it up badly. When you have a munition creating a sphere of tungsten shrapnel 100m wide then a 7.5m miss is not exactly protecting you

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >60 - 70% failure to hit within CEP rates
        That's not all that big of a deal when their CEPs were so small to begin with

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    watch out guys, he's seizing
    put him in the lateral safety position so the convulsions don't hurt him

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fricking 68W’s always ruining the fun

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >RuSsIa CANT PROTECT RADAR
    Yeah that's pretty bad.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What exactly do these radars do? I mean I know what radars do but what did the ones that were taken out do specifically and how does them not doing it anymore specifically help with the upcoming F-16s.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It basically scans for and tracks long-range targets at 4-600kms. It can also give targeting information to SAM units

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What exactly do these radars do?
      They warn the crew that it's time to run away.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Very long range surveillance against aircraft and ballistic missile launches, basically they can tell SAM batteries that something is probably in sector so and so or that a ballistic missile has been launched in an area. Loss of surveillance radars means SAM batteries have to use their own radars more, which have shorter range and exposes their position

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They tell them where the missiles aren't.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Buy is it al all times?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          all of the day, bro

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Radars come in a few varieties, search, fire control, early warning etc. These radars are long range early warning radars. They use lower frequencies and can look over the horizon. The physics can be complicated but a rough rule is the lower the frequency, the longer the range and the less line of sight dependent your radar is. The trade off is, lower frequencies are also less precise. An X band targeting radar can be millimeter accurate and can even determine the model of aircraft its looking at. A low freq over the horizon radar can know something is in the air in that direction 500 miles away but not what it is. Their job is to get an early warning that something is on the way so they can call the guys working the SAMs or AWACS or the fighters and they can be ready. When it works its a big force multiplier because you can see enemy aircraft taking off from the next country over and have your interceptors ready for them. By taking them out Ukraine is removing Russia's early warning ability just like they did with A-50s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Very long range surveillance against aircraft and ballistic missile launches, basically they can tell SAM batteries that something is probably in sector so and so or that a ballistic missile has been launched in an area. Loss of surveillance radars means SAM batteries have to use their own radars more, which have shorter range and exposes their position

        It basically scans for and tracks long-range targets at 4-600kms. It can also give targeting information to SAM units

        Thanks

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Xband radar = centimeter size waves = targeting radar = fuzzy visual picture resolution
        midband radars = foot size waves = "standard" naval, civilian, awacs, and ground-based early warning = detect nonstealthy fighter jets at 300km/passenger planes at 600km
        OTH radars = meter to 10 meter size waves = funky non-line-of-sight properties, sometimes anti-stealth properties, and 1000s km ranges at the expense of resolution pixels a hundred or a thousand meters wide.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebo-M is 'standard' area search radar. It's simply a ground AWACS. Ideally it would maintain a situational air picture to vector fighters towards an enemy or pass the track to a target radar which would then fire missiles.

        I had a vague idea what's it about, but cool to hear a more solid explanation. Thanks, educational anons.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Radars come in a few varieties, search, fire control, early warning etc. These radars are long range early warning radars. They use lower frequencies and can look over the horizon. The physics can be complicated but a rough rule is the lower the frequency, the longer the range and the less line of sight dependent your radar is. The trade off is, lower frequencies are also less precise. An X band targeting radar can be millimeter accurate and can even determine the model of aircraft its looking at. A low freq over the horizon radar can know something is in the air in that direction 500 miles away but not what it is. Their job is to get an early warning that something is on the way so they can call the guys working the SAMs or AWACS or the fighters and they can be ready. When it works its a big force multiplier because you can see enemy aircraft taking off from the next country over and have your interceptors ready for them. By taking them out Ukraine is removing Russia's early warning ability just like they did with A-50s.

        Xband radar = centimeter size waves = targeting radar = fuzzy visual picture resolution
        midband radars = foot size waves = "standard" naval, civilian, awacs, and ground-based early warning = detect nonstealthy fighter jets at 300km/passenger planes at 600km
        OTH radars = meter to 10 meter size waves = funky non-line-of-sight properties, sometimes anti-stealth properties, and 1000s km ranges at the expense of resolution pixels a hundred or a thousand meters wide.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebo-M is 'standard' area search radar. It's simply a ground AWACS. Ideally it would maintain a situational air picture to vector fighters towards an enemy or pass the track to a target radar which would then fire missiles.

        >Xband radar = centimeter size waves = targeting radar = fuzzy visual picture resolution
        >midband radars = foot size waves = "standard" naval, civilian, awacs, and ground-based early warning = detect nonstealthy fighter jets at 300km/passenger planes at 600km
        >OTH radars = meter to 10 meter size waves = funky non-line-of-sight properties, sometimes anti-stealth properties, and 1000s km ranges at the expense of resolution pixels a hundred or a thousand meters wide.
        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebo-M is 'standard' area search radar. It's simply a ground AWACS. Ideally it would maintain a situational air picture to vector fighters towards an enemy or pass the track to a target radar which would then fire missiles.

        destroying these will will not blind russian air defense but it will be myopic, it's like stealing their glasses

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LLlxLXEa5dE

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Xband radar = centimeter size waves = targeting radar = fuzzy visual picture resolution
      midband radars = foot size waves = "standard" naval, civilian, awacs, and ground-based early warning = detect nonstealthy fighter jets at 300km/passenger planes at 600km
      OTH radars = meter to 10 meter size waves = funky non-line-of-sight properties, sometimes anti-stealth properties, and 1000s km ranges at the expense of resolution pixels a hundred or a thousand meters wide.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebo-M is 'standard' area search radar. It's simply a ground AWACS. Ideally it would maintain a situational air picture to vector fighters towards an enemy or pass the track to a target radar which would then fire missiles.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a message: cross the nuclear threshold and we will end you

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lack of DEFENDMS

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yes moron, losing a 100 million dollar long range radar is a big deal.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why not attack them all at once instead of picking them off over weeks?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are the Ukies focusing down Russian radars
      Critical for the upcoming arrival of their new F-16s and generally a good idea anyways to reduce the risk of the Russians detecting further incoming strikes. With their eyes poked out the Russians are basically sitting ducks.
      >why can't the Russians protect them
      Because the Ukies have an absolute swarm of drones constantly buzzing around looking for targets and they get info from local and foreign sources on top of that. The threat of HARM makes it so AD often can't just be constantly on and looking for targets forcing them to rely on things like long range radar that is hopefully out of reach. Combined with the fact that the ATACMS is basically unstoppable the moment the payload is out it's VERY hard for the Russians to counter because overall they have significantly less time to react. Even if they've got a battery on and looking there's no guarantee it's close enough to get the missile before the clusters are tossed.

      Because the Ukrainians probably don't know where all of them are at any given time and the S in SEAD is "suppress". Once AD is suppressed you can strike a lot more freely but you have to keep it suppressed. It's important to kill things like SAMs and long range radar when you find them as they can usually move and it keeps their heads down. If Russian AD wasn't suppressed and you tried to one tap the whole network it's pretty much guaranteed they'd be a lot more effective and actually shoot down many of the incoming missiles.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Combined with the fact that the ATACMS is basically unstoppable the moment the payload is out

        When the ATACMS start to shed submuntions its so close that you can spot it with the bare eye. So yes, you are right, but your point is nonsense. If the missile have gotten so close that you can see it you cant do anything to stop it. The russians have shot down ATACMS missiles in flight, the Crimea strike that killed a S-400 battery used a dozen missiles of which at least half were shot down. That was obviously not enough. The attacker will always have the advantage since he can concentrate his firepower onto one specific point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd wager that depends on launch programming but that's also part of the point. Russian AD might not even see it until they can visually see it once it's suppressed and not running radar. Taking out long range radars they rely on when they can't just constantly run their own means they either have to risk it and run or they stay shut off for fear of being nailed themselves by things like HARMs. Even without HARMs being lobbed in their general direction if a recon drone spots them they're in for a bad time.

          I'd bet that S-400 battery from earlier in the week was a perfect example of this. They panic fired a TON of missiles but by that time their doom was already upon them. They should've seen the ATACMS coming from plenty far enough to deal with it, but they clearly weren't emitting.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is the release altitude variable?
          Something like a SAM or Artillery battery full of munitions that could cook off might be better to release higher, giving the submunitions more time to spread out vs something like a troop formation, front line emplacement, or a convoy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The russians have shot down ATACMS missiles in flight, the Crimea strike that killed a S-400 battery used a dozen missiles of which at least half were shot down
          ....according to russia
          why are you repeating their shit?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the Crimea strike that killed a S-400 battery used a dozen missiles of which at least half were shot down
          Its always the same "its not so bad as it seems" story, isnt it?
          >they blanketed the skies with munitions, and our valiant troops shoot almost all of them, but last one got throuh.
          The most amusing one was during storm shadow the hedgehog attacks, where ziggers would claim waves od 12 or 20 missiles being shot down before last ones boring a hole throught their warship or command centre, without realising that they are implying that after two years ukraine still has enough of modded su-24s to actually launch such massive sortie.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/2/23/AHS_Magnify.ogg

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a dozen missiles
          I think the official figure was seven. Five shot down, one malfunction, one successful hit. But MoD numbers are always suspect; don't forget they report more TB2s shot down than have been produced.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When the ATACMS start to shed submuntions its so close that you can spot it with the bare eye. So yes, you are right, but your point is nonsense.

          nta but while that's definitely way too close for S-400 to engage it would still be possible for a capable point defense system to shoot the missile down. So the fact that submunition release happens well before a unitary warhead would impact is still relevant to some degree.

          Of course it would be a lot more relevant if Pantshit wasn't the absolute worst point defense AA system in the world.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pantsir is capable, it’s just that the gun system is useless. The missiles were designed to provide a low-cost short-range intercept feature which does appear to be effective. The missiles are very simple and likely cost peanuts so it’s not a terrible burden, ultimately, if the guns can’t hit anything. Take the SeaRAM for example.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The number of Pantshits that have been lost to TB-2s alone suggests that there is something seriously wrong with the system's self-defense capabilities.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was in Syria. After the Russians updated their software notice how TB-2s are now strictly relegated to backline tasks.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Man, the glavset's sending the really shitty bottom of the barrel bots now. They used to send the good subversive ones that knew how to get under people's skin, now we have this fricking shit.
    It's insulting, really.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People forgot Prigozhin was also the boss of Glavset. Their output got noticeably shittier after he died.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wagner specifically had fingers in the chans. The little shit in charge of their online propaganda arm tries to by PrepHole feom jap moot a few years ago. What's left are useful morons and call center poos

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wagner specifically had fingers in the chans. The little shit in charge of their online propaganda arm tries to by PrepHole feom jap moot a few years ago. What's left are useful morons and call center poos

        This. They routinely would post CP on boards to make hosting them too painful, and then offer buyouts from exhausted hosts. This happened to Kohlchan, and is why it's a vatnik schizo infested shithole today. No surprise if they do this to other microboards and/or try infiltrate other positions to shift discourse.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PrepHole is anything but a microboard. Ziggers might as well have tried to buy reddit although changs would probably tell them to frick off from their turf

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well zigurs got Twitter tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They managed to take /misc/ over completely without buying anything. Maybe throw a few thousand bucks Hiro's way each month.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              /misc/ is full of contrarian morons that have about as much understanding of anything as that inebriated uncle who swears she was 18

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's about time you process the fact that it's over 70% paid posts at this point. It's something you need to come to terms with. Making up excuses isn't going to change what that board is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i avoid assuming paid when it was designed as the moron safe space red board but not red board because you can't actually use it like a red board it would hurt their fee fees

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They managed to take /misc/ over completely without buying anything.
              Yeah but they still have to pay the guys posting on there.
              You could probably convince /misc/ to back anyone if you get enough people spamming israelite/troony reaction images at anyone that doesn't agree.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Damn Mike Glover really has fallen on hard times after that domestic violence arrest.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            holy shit is that Danny Trejo waving to the camera?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what i want to know is why the guy who starts a bunch of angry vatnik threads on /gif/ also starts a bunch of blacked threads at the same time

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To give credibility or fuel to conspiracy theorycrafting, and give people something to be anxious about or afraid of.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >vatnik threads on /gif/ also starts a bunch of blacked threads
            Trannies are half of the horseshoe theory zigger support network

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because he’s mixing business with pleasure.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just to spread racism and divide the people. It's easy as shit, cause race based sexuality polarises like nothing else and crawls under your skin.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope they find the fricker, it's a pain in the ass having to update my filters every week when the thread falls off and they change the terms/formatting slightly for the express reason of evading filters.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what i want to know is why the guy who starts a bunch of angry vatnik threads on /gif/ also starts a bunch of blacked threads at the same time
            that is nothing new, magnifying existing tensions has been a staple of active measures since commie times, hell even the okhrana used it back in the day siccing the different ethnic groups of the russian empire on another.
            Tricks like sending racist letters to black activsts, and than helping them to publish the letters to show how racist the US are nothing unusual and decades old at this point.
            Internet and social media just accelerated the trend and made it way easier to do D&C shilling, since one dude with a VPN can impersonate both sides in a matter of minutes
            Thus "causing x problem" and presenting their "solution/reaction to it" became shilling 101 because it's significantly easier to make people fall for their cause than blatant advertising
            You need to look no further then our own pzh2000/krab threads, with first posts being either germans or poles that don't speak their respective languages

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Saviors of the white race, please understand

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're closeted cucks that hate themselves.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wagner specifically had fingers in the chans. The little shit in charge of their online propaganda arm tries to by PrepHole feom jap moot a few years ago. What's left are useful morons and call center poos

        Prighozin's Concord business as a whole had a lot of deep involvement in the internet, there's a reason Wagner was a edgy meme on Russian-language internet.

        [...]
        This. They routinely would post CP on boards to make hosting them too painful, and then offer buyouts from exhausted hosts. This happened to Kohlchan, and is why it's a vatnik schizo infested shithole today. No surprise if they do this to other microboards and/or try infiltrate other positions to shift discourse.

        Typical Mafia shit, like when a gang sends thieves to rob and steal your store and then the boss offers to protect your shop from the same thieves in exchange for regular payment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They used to send the good subversive ones that knew how to get under people's skin,
      not really. they were always daft and merely persistent.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. Unless you're some utterly toothless moron in living in flyover shitholes and all of your political information comes from social media meme pages and conspiracy theories, russian disinfo was never ever intelligent.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it’s da glaaavseeeet!!!1
      rent free

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wassup olga, how's the "demoralization" going?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wassup olga, how's the "demoralization" going?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no, it learned how to greentext.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    imagery shows that a Ukrainian strike last night on an airfield near the capital of Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region looks to have targeted an advanced Russian long-range radar system. The potential loss of elements of the Nebo-M radar system could have significant impacts on the ability of Russia's forces to detect, track, and attempt to intercept various aerial threats, including ballistic missiles. To underscore the point, there are unconfirmed reports that U.S.-made Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) short-range ballistic missiles were used in the strike in the first place

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless there is a specific strategy they have in mind that doesn’t make sense from our limited viewpoint it seems like the Ukies are simply hitting the highest-value targets that they can hit. They can’t hit Moscow any more because AD is too tight. There’s nothing really valuable to hit on the front. The big oil & gas stations are too distant / well-protected. Big industrial centers too distant. Most important airbases too distant. So what do they use their assets on? Stuff that’s in-range, costs a lot / in short supply, and which isn’t too well-defended. If that’s actually what’s happening then the Ukies are straight-up fricked sorry to say.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >still in the denial stage
      inorganic, not believable. 2/10

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Check your OSINT provider of choice and get back to me on how much territory Ukraine has taken back over the last few days.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What does that have to do with you being in denial? Get back to me when Russia is winning

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cite literally a single serious analyst which doesn’t directly or indirectly state Russia is winning and I’ll consider the possibility that I’m "coping". In exchange, if you can’t find one you have to consider the possibility that you’re the one who’s coping. Ball’s in your court bro.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't know what you think you're on about, but "serious analysts" don't make declarations like that. ISW doesn't, Oryx doesn't, RUSI doesn't, UKMoD doesn't. They give information and assume you aren't moronic. Unfortunately you missed the last step.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ziggers don't understand Russia is being baited into a meat grinder.

              NATO is leaking just enough material to Ukraine to keep Putin splashing wave after wave at 5:1 losses and making him think he's just a few short months from victory.

              Meanwhile the west is slowly introducing new equipment. Leaking it little by little, just enough to keep the front line moving forward at a snail's pace.

              Russia is being invited to destroy itself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've been saying this for months. If Ukraine had received what they needed when they asked for it Russia would've been wrecked so hard they would've given up in months.

                This invasion was made possible by the unbelievably large surplus of Soviet armor the Russians have been refurbishing. Even if Russia has the politics and economics of a third world country, their Soviet era infrastructure, surplus and plentyful oil reserves allow them to start a war.

                The US is only giving Ukraine what they need to keep their head above the water, so that from Russia's perspective if they double down one more time they might make it. In the meantime their reserves are exhausted and their military capabilities are gone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The point was not allowing Ukraine to push the line in and make vast territorial demands in the face of a total victory, Anon. The point is to destroy Russia's sophisticated electronics, oil infrastructure, armor and missile reserves, force the Black Sea Fleet to quit the field, and kill as many of their young men of fighting age as possible in preparation for breaking Russia up into zones of control administrated by Western nations, not Ukraine.

                Allowing Ukraine a total victory would only put them in a position where they could dictate to Russia when they're supposed to be meat for the grinder just like the Russians are. After this war, both Russia and Ukraine will be so broken that they'll be dependant on Western gibs for the next 300 years, and Energy Companies and the Resource sectors will get everything they want without Russia having anything left to organize any serious resistance.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the last few days
          Really moving those goalposts, huh? How’s the heroic Russian reconquest of Kherson going, and will it be part of Russia forever by the two year anniversary of their cowardly retreat to the Surovikin Line?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's your plan once this gay slav war ends and Ukraine gets broken up? Suicide or going to find a new fake idea to base your personality on.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >controls less than 15% of the land area
              >does not control largest population centers or capitol
              How exactly will Russia be able to break up Ukraine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >capitol
                Capital. How do you not know the difference between capital - as in, capital city - and capitol which is the legislative building in the capital. I guess you're American and confused by Capitol Hill.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >doesnt answer the question

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't care because I am not arguing with you. Stop being ESL.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how does one 'stop being esl'?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I managed to avoid being ESL when I was like 1 year old, so it can't be that hard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Capital City is the city in which the Capitol, the building or collection of buildings that act as the seat of government, is located.
                Russia controls neither of them, so how will they break up Ukraine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                sage

                Ukraine's sides will be in orbit when the clowns of moskva invade

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              hey it's the guy who absolutely doesn't care about this war but spent all of yesterday saying russia stronk

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >can't answer the simple questions asked previously
              >immediately resorts to projecting his own insecurities
              Since they aren't getting Kherson city any time soon, how about all the places Russia got kicked out of in Kharkiv? Has the unstoppable Russian blitzkrieg retaken Lyman yet?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >haha, Ukraine took some empty abandoned positions two years ago!
                Congratulations. Post copefensyiv gains

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post yours first pidor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the eastern 20% of ukraine and the crimea

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Kharkiv copefensive memory holed already
                Kek

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And in the past two years, after their initial craven sneak attack? What's Russia got to show for all that effort other than clawing their way into some abandoned villages with a prewar population in the high double-digits?
                How many Oblast capitals or other special-status major metro areas has Russia managed to occupy successfully?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some mepty abandoned positions
                So hwat happened to 1st Guards Tank Army, aka the troops in those positions?

                nobody is going to answer your questions when the entire premise is based in some gay fantasy nonsense.

                there are zero realistic scenarios where the ukraine forces Russia off of their territory and reclaims the eastern provinces and restores the 1991 borders. thats just not going to happen ever.

                Au contraire, there are now zero realistic scenarios in which this war does not end with Ukraine retaking every sinhgle last square inch of their rightful territories, including Crimea. The only question is wether Russia will take the smart way out and have an army left by the end of it or if the Ukrainians will have to exterminate it to the last man. It's going to happen, and no amount of your denial, your coping or your seething is going to stop it, Indiana vatBlack person. You're gonna die for monke in a ditch in eastern Ukraine, and it will be good.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So hwat happened to 1st Guards Tank Army, aka the troops in those positions?
                Pic related, presumably, or they didn't ever exist in the first place, and all claims contrary are nazi-israelite NAFO troon lies.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So hwat happened to 1st Guards Tank Army, aka the troops in those positions?
                they left under their own willpower

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nobody is going to answer your questions when the entire premise is based in some gay fantasy nonsense.

                there are zero realistic scenarios where the ukraine forces Russia off of their territory and reclaims the eastern provinces and restores the 1991 borders. thats just not going to happen ever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can you please remind me how far into Germany had the frontlines moved in WW1 when the Germans gave up and surrendered?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not with your attrition rates, you're being depleted and humiliated. Not even a nuclear chimpout can save you now. Whatever is left of the Russian federation is going to look nothing like it did 4 years ago.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What's your plan once your FSB handlers realsie you're continously fricking up and decide to send you to the front to get cubed, Indiana vatBlack person?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The FSB handlers are also continuously fricking up, otherwise their strategy wouldn't be to garner support among schizos and browns who can be trivially ignored/banned from discussion

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Completely ignoring the developing stories of the last few weeks where no less than a dozen countries have sworn to directly invade and destroy Russia if they even get the slightest hint of the vaguest whiff of the Ukrop Capital

              The world has banded together to destroy you. In 10,000 years of recorded history people have never agreed on anything, but they agree on Russia needing to leave this planet. It is unironically an awesome and terrible power that Russia faces for its continued existance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >look you forced us to put most of our AD around targets hundreds of miles from the fighting
      >so now you can just bomb systems we need on the frontlines and we have very little off
      >this means you are fricked not
      If they hit things far away gloat that the ukies can't hit frontline targets
      if the ukies hit frontline targets gloat that they can't hit far away targets
      while in reality they can hit both

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you lose a war by destroying your enemy's important strategic assets.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if you kill your enemies' high-value targets, they win

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gee, what specific strategy could they have in mind to commence a campaign of systematically destroying russian air defenses and radars, in the same year that F-16s are arriving and their strategic bombing campaign agaisnt targets in Russia has been steadily picking up?

      You're coping.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The big oil & gas stations are too distant / well-protected.
      ???
      Ukrainians have been continously hitting refineries for quite a while.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The big oil & gas stations are too distant / well-protected
      da cumrad, don't trust your lying eyes. They haven't been blowing up for the rest half a year, no sir

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukies are simply hitting the highest-value targets that they can hit
      lol, yeah
      average Russian encountering actual strategic warfare 101

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so this is why they shat up the catalog?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      by making atrocious posts on a has-been anime website they are certain to ensure the victory of the Russkiy Mir, they love mighty Puccia enough to do anything for it (except actually fight)

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Our top story tonight:
    >self-proclaimed World’s Second Army gets b***hslapped by improvised drones and 1990s M39 missiles that destroy irreplaceable assets hundreds of times their cost
    >but first: local idiot posts unoriginal rant in all caps. Will it persuade the hearts and minds of those who read it?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >BAD RuSsIa CANT PROTECT RADAR HAHAAHAH
    >PAPER TIGER FALLING!!!!!!
    This but unironically

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    cool it hothead, russia hasn't lost yet, you need to keep this seethe inside for the right moment.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"We already have a precedent. For example, the United Kingdom has previously allowed Ukraine to use the long-range Storm Shadows missiles it provided," Yury Sak, adviser to Ukrainian Strategic Industries minister, told Bloomberg. He added that the Ukrainian armed forces "have already used them."
    All of there decent has been moved back into Russia for fear of the incoming Storm shadows.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >advanced

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's implied that it's relatively advanced

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the real question is how is destroying these systems going to reclaim the 20% of the territory lost by the ukraine?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't worry about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why does The Ukraine need permission to defend itself effectively? I thought Ukraine was sovereign?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Assuming you aren't a vatnik and are asking in good faith, aid almost always comes with political strings attached. Its a form of soft power and every nation does it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >every nation
            no, just russia china and america. lesser nations have zero power or influence globally

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Like Israel

              I think the zigger snapped. This is just another war for Americans. It's just there. Been like this since 2003. For ziggers they aren't used to actual war so it freaks them out after awhile. The older I get the more I realize some people aren't made for war. Us, Americans this is just whatever. No one even thinks about it. Give them another 60 billion and leave us alone. To ziggers that's a big deal.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >russia
              russia is one of the "lesser nations" now. better get used to it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you mean america and china. russia doesn’t have global soft power outside of maybe belarus and being chinas little paypig

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah everyone does it. The Bongs, the Krauts, the Frogs. If Canada sold someone guns they would have strings attached too. You'd have to say sorry every time you shot someone.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Look up the restrictions on usage if you buy anything from that massive and populous global superpower, Switzerland. Literally every nation that can offer military equipment does so without offering complete carte blanche for the recipient.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do not forget India sir

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why can't russia sell their oil for currency that isn't Indian? I thought russia was sovreign?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Kharkiv offensiev backfired spectacularly, it seems. Now the zigger troop concentrations on russian soil are fair game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wonder if the argument for allowing weapon usage on Russian soil was something along the lines of "we need to be able to shell these concentrations ahead of time so they don't cross the border and cause more problems". Seems like that little offensive could have been the thing to convince people to allow it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Majority of that 20% was already held by Russia pre-war because of separatist homosexualry
      Post Kherson.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, if you are in a fist fight, and you succesfully break one of the finger's of your attacker, you getting an advantage in possibly winning the brawl

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's more like a tiny scratch on his elbow

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you say so. It seems to hurt them awful lot though, for just being a single scratch

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By further depleting Russia in the attrition war Russia is losing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just like you see on ground the entire battlegroup dies easier when they are attacking you on dirt bikes vs planes, helicopters, tanks and apcs.

      Or on sea, it's easier to take Kherson when Moskva and the entire black sea fleet is under the sea or stuck at a port which is on fire.

      It is also a lot easier to destroy everything that speaks wrong runes from your f16, when russians can't know F16 is around.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are the Ukies focusing down Russian radars?
    it’s important military infrastructure that belongs to a country they’re at war with
    >And why can't the Russians protect them?
    they’re bad at war

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if they're bad at war why are they defeating the ukraine and NATO mercenaries?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        holy heckin based comrade, lolz russia stronk!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no argument
          as always. no morons have nothing but one liners and lazy insults. now call me brown or an orc or something you fricking homosexual

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ur brown and an orc

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >spend two years denying nato involvment
              >nato admits its involvement
              >*ukies lose their minds and all argumentation skills because they can't play the denial game anymore*
              im awaiting your next cope

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still trying to push nato fighting narrative
                OK fsb-kun

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if they're bad at war why are they defeating the ukraine and NATO mercenaries?

                lmao a nato general admits it here moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is continually refusing to acknowledge that Austria isn't in NATO just part of the bait, same as still saying "the Ukraine"?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And that NATO general's name was Albert Einstein

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao who are you arguing against? I don’t care about nato involvement; anything that makes more russians into dead russians is fine with me. have fun defending your 3 day special military operation, I’m sure it’ll only take a couple hundred thousand more ziggers being ground into paste to take 3 cities

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the zigger snapped. This is just another war for Americans. It's just there. Been like this since 2003. For ziggers they aren't used to actual war so it freaks them out after awhile. The older I get the more I realize some people aren't made for war. Us, Americans this is just whatever. No one even thinks about it. Give them another 60 billion and leave us alone. To ziggers that's a big deal.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                to be fair i think we are getting a bit antsy over here, what, we're how long without a war? 2021 if we count fricking about in Afghanistan, we're 20 years past the Iraq War now. i'm surprised the MIC hasn't manufactured a way to get american boots on the ground already, guess selling shit to the ukes is enough stimulus for them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > I don’t care about nato involvement; anything that makes more russians into dead russians is fine with me.

                This. The non-stop TZD is what motivates a lot of people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >xaxaxaxa the nato has admitted their involvement!
                >amount of NATO member territory currently occupied by Russia: 0 square centimeters
                This ain't the flex you think it is, brochacho.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dont worry, your shithole is next after The Ukraine surrenders or dies.
                Whatever nation you're from, you'll be sitting around pissing and shitting until America comes to save you either way

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >until America comes to save you
                Anon, when you're pretending to be a vatnik, you're not supposed to point out that America comes to save anyone Russia would attack

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                too bad for ukraine that they're being put on the back-burner for Israel.
                do ukies feel good getting shafted for israelites?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >too bad for ukraine that they're being put on the back-burner for Israel.
                >do ukies feel good getting shafted for israelites?
                A paltry $60 billion aid package to Ukraine is "being put on the back-burner" in what remains of your mind? Kek, the thirdies really ARE buck broken in the face of the monopolar Pax Americana.
                >da JOOOOOOZ
                You should return to your containment board. Get back in the hugbox and you can show the other incels where the Elders of Zion touched you and then forced you to shit your pants.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dont worry, your shithole is next after The Ukraine surrenders or dies.
                Whatever nation you're from, you'll be sitting around pissing and shitting until America comes to save you either way

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Searching catalogs 24/7
                L'chailate

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                pot meet kettle

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >local russian thinks he can get across a Baltic border
                Kek.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >local russian thinks he can get across a Baltic border
                >Oh, I wish a zigger would
                That would be the single most kino ending to this farce.
                >Putin decides to YOLO it, everything or nothing
                >stacks up literally everything Russia has left
                >prepares to rush the Suwałki Gap
                >NSA and other glowies know about the buildup before Russian generals do
                >satellites are tracking individual mobik bootprints
                >every stealth aircraft in NATO is on standby, waiting for their signal to go ripshit riot
                >Russians cross the border at 2:00am
                >blyat, the tires shredded again
                >blyat, ran out of fuel again
                >blyat, we've got a 40km long traffic jam AGAIN
                >major sense of deja vu
                >prepped forces of all thirty-two NATO member states show up, loaded for bear
                >Russians have barely enough time to post "LITERAL WARCRIMES" on Telegram before being smeared like a thin layer of jam across most of the length of the E67
                >high fives all around
                >group photos
                >maybe bomb Belgrade for old times' sake

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >needing an excuse to bomb Belgrade
                Stinking moderate.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I lost. Cheers, Anon, and thanks for the laugh.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >after
                if

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you do realize america coming to save the eurogay here will involve leveling every city you have with plumbing right? i mean that's not many but i can't imagine any of the others lasting more than five minutes under siege.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dont worry, your shithole is next after The Ukraine surrenders or dies.
                lmao
                let me guess, when the real russian army appears, right?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            chocolate goblin lesbian
            captcha:AUKSU2

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks he deserves being argued with
            you're a woman, d e s u

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Leaving aside the emotionally charged use of "defeating" here, a giant amount of built-up equipment and an utter disregard for losses. Keep doing it ziggie, I'm fine watching another million of you get wounded

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          lmao ukieBlack folk are the last people to accuse anyone else of "emotionally charged" language.
          didn't ukraine put out a hollywood-style trailer with dramatic music to show off the epiec CYOUNTYEROFFYENSYIV that went nowhere? and then deleted the video?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ukieBlack folk
            >if you answer my question, you're Ukrainian
            Emotionally charged non-argument so I shan't read the rest of your post

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kinda like how you shilled here for 2 weeks about how karkhiv would fall in 24 hrs xaxaxaxa

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I agree, let's keep doing this for 5 or 10 more years
        regard, disinterested party

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >defeating
        Already forgot OP's subject, huh? Or was the Radar installation's embrace of an M39 warhead another gesture of goodwill?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their AA isn't very good.
    Joke's on us. Their long range radars are even worse.
    5D chess, hohols

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No need for decoy if none of the radars work*~~

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    funnily enough, Kerch is getting bombed as we speak (probably the Kerch city, not the bridge)

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATObros, how do you feel about this war? Feels bad having been conscripted.

    pfffft hahahahahahahahaha

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are you even trying to communicate here? They need English lessons at the glavset.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        state russian talk shows(basically tucker carlson for russians) are talking about how russia is at war with and winning against all of NATO right now. including having troops on the ground in poland, every military aged male of all of NATO is now conscripted, and the west is begging putin not to nuke them all, not that it matters because russian soldiers are rolling over all enemy opposition.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          damn, good to know im actually a super soldier somewhere in ukraine right now
          makes me feel better about myself

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i believe he is mocking russians who say that there are thousands of HATO mercs holding up the lines in Ukraine because every Ukrainian male was killed 2 years ago according to propaganda and they need a reason to explain why Russia is still 2 weeks to Kiev.
        Similarly do you all remember how Europe froze to death in 2022 and 2023? It was horrible, I heard some people had to set the thermostats down to 18 degrees. I don't understand why we didn't all just surrender right then and there.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Similarly do you all remember how Europe froze to death in 2022 and 2023? It was horrible, I heard some people had to set the thermostats down to 18 degrees. I don't understand why we didn't all just surrender right then and there.
          Because russia underestimated our strategic hamster reserves

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is the cry of despair of a poor soul who has just received his conscription notice.
        The shock and horror of his situation has him howling with laughter towards the end of his post.
        Sad to see.

        couldn't they replace it if they're so impressively productive?
        Also, I wonder how those soviet officials took the bountiful ukrainian soil to Russia. In their pockets or something?

        Pretty hard to replace things when all your money has been stolen.
        Kinda funny that you made that dig (heh) about stealing Ukrainian soil, since that's what they're doing now.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    War never ends Zigger boy. Ever. Don't you frickers even look at Poland.
    T. America

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Beautiful. This concentrated campaign against Russian radar, air-interceptors and aircraft is all in preparation for F16 operations. It's going to be amazing.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know man it looks like russian AD have decided to stay cucks forever.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Memes aside russia did a very bad decision during the cold war to rely on manual calculations and their semi conductor industry never took off. They simply don't have the capacity to produce complex systems as we've seen with their inability to do air operations other than just individual fighters. Their air defense communication systems are absolute garbage as well.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The average age of an apparatchik is closer to 80 than 60, and they're all still communists. Without a slave population of Western Actual Europeans - specifically Ukraine - they're technological cargo cultists by comparison. Western strategists are laughing their asses off all the way to the bank, especially after Finnish & Swedish accession to NATO. The beatings will continue indefinitely and morale will never improve until someone pulls off a proper August Coup.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That pic is from England and is from a hay construction competition. I believe it depicts the tracking station at Jodrell Bank, which actually does have history with the Russians, as they had sheepishly requested its assistance in tracking their earliest space probes, as they had no facilities capable of doing the job at the time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks for the background info on the pic, anon. I've seen it posted a few times and wondered why there was a hay model of Jodrell Bank.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    S-300V may have a pretty small protected area in practice.

    If the Ukrainians can build an accurate and up to date ELINT picture of the Russian air defence, then they can choose to engage targets outside of the range of these batteries or when they are not available.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah let's deprive a nuclear power of any ability to detect threats to its sovereignty that will go well, I hope they don't nuke preemptively the next time NATO morons decide to play I'm Not Touching You and do training exercises near Russia's border, Go Ukraine!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah let's keep making empty nuke threats, I'm sure it won't lead to anyone with two braincells to rub together ignoring them on reflex.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can ignore the threats but you won't ignore the nukes kek.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which is just another empty threat. Boring.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ook ook ook! nook! ook ook! nook! nook! nook!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No they respond to the detection of a nuclear launch by glassing Nigeria with snow
          What a mercy to those AIDs ridden wretches, no wonder vatniks love to talk about launching a NOOOOK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The message is clear: if russia crosses the nuclear threshold, it gets wiped out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is depriving themselves of it by failing to gaining air supremacy over sunflower farmers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this but unironically and followed by a massive counterforce strike.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you want to get glassed?
      Because this is how you get glassed.
      Frick around, and find out, comrade.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Confirmed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah i didn't really need this confirmation. ukraine wouldn't fire their ATACAMS missiles without the glowies first confirming with their sats images that it's there.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like another one was damaged by drones in Crimea a few days ago

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the Turks were dumb enough to turn down a stealth fighter for this fricking potato.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >overextended opponent realizes they are inevitably losing the war
    >decides the best they can do at this point is mount an absolutely all in counteroffensive which they hope is effective enough to allow them to sue for a favorable peace
    >underestimate their opponent and get absolutely buck broken, ensuring no possible end but a total defeat

    Lol, where have I heard this one before?

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd like to think that the reason russian radar is so big is that they couldn't make a more efficient radar and they had to compensate by bruteforcing shit.

    Btw this is what "long range radar" looks like in western countries. Much more compact and yet is more powerful

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even chinese radar aren't as bulky as Russian ones

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hitting these targets are the reason the Pentagon didn't want to approve strikes into Russia. These fricking morons are bringing the specter of nuclear exchange into reality.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, it's not. The pentagon didn't want to start a nuclear exchange, these radars were not even in consideration. This is just your latest "red line" that the khohols are stepping all over, erasing and then pissing on. You're like a walking abortion, katsap, you're going to die in a ditch, screaming for your mother.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >these radars were not even in consideration.
        Ukraine chipping away at Russian missile defense is one of the many reasons Biden and the Pentagon and everyone else was opposed. MAD is the single most important thing in US-RU relations and weakening it only brings the chance of a nuclear exchange closer to reality. The last 30 years of US-RU diplomacy has hinged on not fricking with each others missile defense and mutual drawdowns.

        >no how dare you be vaguely informed on the subject, you must surely be a vatnik
        Get real.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The world is no longer interested in mutual drawdowns, Anon, we've long crossed a point where the only way this ends is the dissolution of the Russian state into smaller, more exploitable zones of control so that their resources can be used to pay for the war and their nuclear stockpiles can be directly seized.

          This war is about the complete dissolution of the Russian Federation as a sovereign entity, and part of the reason that needs to happen is that the West is going to war with China as soon as Russia is wiped off the map. This is the West's control solidifying over the planet for the next thousand years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > West's control
            The west couldn't control even a few tribes of goat frickers.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >He said, while speaking American English on the American Internet and buying things with money weighted against the American Dollar.

              Anon, everyone on the outside of the globalism has already lost, I'm afraid. If you don't like what globalism represents, you'll have to change the nature of the beast from the inside, because it will control the planet formally inside of the next 50 years. Most of us here will live to see a one world government proclaimed.

              >Implying the point was to control anyone in the Middle East
              The point was to train troops and test war materiel in preparation for the war its fighting against Russia now, just like the point of this war is to train troops and test war materiel in order to fight China to the death. Each war is the Spanish civil war of the war after it - the outcome of a few battles or even the whole nation of Stanmanigan hardly matters when the plan is to sanction, starve and firebomb anyone who hasn't joined the West on an industrial scale.

              They'll even sell it to people as a good thing that we've depleted the excess population and saved the environment by reducing the carbon footprint.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Most of us here will live to see a one world government proclaimed.
                And here we have the dreamer, one of the fruitier roosters at the glavset pen. He dreams of unlikely scenarios where global relations lead to disaster and subjugation, the must because his regime already lives there and suffers from it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > depleted the excess population
                > Afghanistan before the american invasion: 20 millions
                > Afghanistan after the american invasion: 40 millions
                you're full of shit, my friend.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >US leaves Afghanistan
                >based TaliCHADS have to deal with 40% of the nation being in famine

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > if you're not obese, you're in famine
                murican standards are something else. i keep watching "starving" palestinian women in Gaza, 200+ lbs each.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >These fricking morons are bringing the specter of nuclear exchange into reality.
      Not really. The risk vs reward equation for Russia using nukes isn't getting any better with the destruction of these radars.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those radars are the Russian equivalent of NORAD. A dollar-store NOARD but still crucial to their missile defense. Its part of the system they use to aim their A-135 interceptors.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Destroying them makes the potential downside of a nuclear war worse for Russia (marginally).
          But it doesn't add any benefit to the potential upside for Russia using nukes.

          tl;dr: Using nukes still bad and full blown nuclear war even more bad for Russia.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Generally speaking its not a good idea to make the school-shooter of countries more paranoid because they may end up doing something psychotic. Ukraine fricking with the Russian missile umbrella does nothing to help their war and everything to destabilize global order. The strike ban on Russian targets was lifted to they can strike Russian formations around Belgorod, not this.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You also can't grant the school shooter special concessions just because he needs pills. Also think about how school shootings almost always end.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its not a special concession.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is, the last thing you do is give in to terrorist demands. Russia has been waging a terrorist campaign against Ukraine, thinking an imaginary line is going to protect them. It has been covering them so far but the rest of the world is getting increasingly tired of it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not fricking with MAD is not a terrorist demand. Its a cornerstone of nuclear peace. Ukraine stripping away the Russian ballistic shield does nothing to advance their own position and does a lot to undermine global peace. Its fricking stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not fricking with MAD is not a terrorist demand.
                They did it first by violating the minsk agreements and invading Ukraine. They're terrorists, they're making demands and threats-- terrorist demands. Saying "No, that's not *" to everything you read is never, ever an argument.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They did it first by violating the minsk agreements and invading Ukraine
                Read the Minsk agreement. Also, their invasion of Ukraine has no bearing on MAD.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their invasion of Ukraine has no bearing on MAD
                Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for russia promising not to invade.
                Them breaking that promise devalues global non-proliferation agreements, making it a MAD issue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russian nuclear doctrine calls for immediate repairs of these facilities. Continued attacks on these warning systems ensures that scarce and costly resources are drawn towards it that could be used otherwise

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If the Russian leadership were truly scared of a nuclear first strike from the west then they should never have invaded Ukraine. They also should have quit their overt spying, sabotage and cyberwarfare shenanigans against the west.
              But they didn't because your disingenuous concern trolling arguments hold no water.

              Appeasement doesn't work. If they're scared they can just up and leave Ukraine and try and go back to status quo ante bellum.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If the Russian leadership were truly scared of a nuclear first strike from the west then they should never have invaded Ukraine
                Not part of the West.
                >They also should have quit their overt spying, sabotage and cyberwarfare shenanigans against the west.
                We do the same shit to them.
                >But they didn't because your disingenuous concern trolling arguments hold no water.
                Saying "this is why" is not concern trolling.
                >Appeasement doesn't work.
                Its not appeasement either.

                I just said "this is why there were strike limits" and that this is going to make the Russians very, very mad because it fricks with MAD and thats not good for anyone. Idk why the frick your getting your panties in a twist about it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Russians are already very, very mad and the refineries are more of a problem for them than their radars, provided those radars even worked.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Refineries are less of a concern than their ability to partially survive a first strike. If they can partially survive a first strike they can ensure an effective second strike which means that its too costly for us to do a first strike so there will never be a first strike. Welcome to MAD.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not part of the West.
                We don't care about your vatnik delusions.
                >We do the same shit to them.
                Not really.
                >Saying "this is why" is not concern trolling.
                Making the argument that it is the invaded party that is destabilizing the world order is the disingenuous concern trolling part.
                >Its not appeasement either.
                Giving the Russian leadership something they want in return for literally nothing is in fact appeasemant.
                >I just said "this is why there were strike limits" and that this is going to make the Russians very, very mad because it fricks with MAD and thats not good for anyone.
                They were already mad and the risk vs reward analysis is still not favoring Russian use of nukes any more because of this.
                >Idk why the frick your getting your panties in a twist about it.
                You're pushing the Russian shill narrative like every other concern troll.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We don't care about your vatnik delusions.
                Saying Ukraine is not part of the West makes me a vatnik?
                >Not really.
                Bro come on.
                >Making the argument that it is the invaded party that is destabilizing the world order is the disingenuous concern trolling part.
                Ukraine does not destabilize the world order.
                >Giving the Russian leadership something they want in return for literally nothing is in fact appeasemant.
                I dont think you know what appeasement means.
                > risk vs reward analysis is still not favoring Russian use of nukes any more because of this.
                I dont think you know what MAD is.
                >You're pushing the Russian shill narrative like every other concern troll.
                Yes yes, everyone who says something you disagree with is surely a shill.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Saying Ukraine is not part of the West makes me a vatnik?
                In the context of Russia shouldn't have invaded if they at all cared about escalation with the west? Yes. That definitely makes you a vatnik.
                >Bro come on.
                No. And claiming "west equally bad" is also a typical vatnik shill claim.
                >Ukraine does not destabilize the world order.
                And neither does their military actions against their agressor. It's good that you have changed your position on this topic.
                >I dont think you know what appeasement means.
                This is what the concern troll does in lieu of arguments. I'm not taking the bait.
                >I dont think you know what MAD is.
                Still not taking the bait.
                >Yes yes, everyone who says something you disagree with is surely a shill.
                When called out for obvious and blatant shilling, the shill indignantly acts as if the accusation is unfounded.
                Yet no actual rebuttal is given and no actual defense of their position as being anything other than shilling is presented.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're a shill because I don't like the things you say

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it posts like a shill, deflects like a shill and kvetches like a shill, it's probably a shill.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >posts like a shill
                A yes, the infamous shill statements like "Ukraine is not part of the West" and "The US and Russia have been spying on and fricking with each other since the 1950's".

                I get it bro, you're here for drama.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >west equally bad!
                >invading a european country is not escalation!
                >you have to worry about the nooooks!
                Your concern trolling is more than enough drama. Too much even. Go leave.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>west equally bad!
                Who are you quoting?
                >invading a european country is not escalation!
                Yes. Invading a non-NATO state is not an escalation of the threat of nuclear war
                >you have to worry about the nooooks!
                Yes. 100%.
                >Go leave.
                Post guns.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Who are you quoting?
                "We do the same shit to them."
                - Vatnik shill >61766098
                >Yes. Invading a non-NATO state is not an escalation of the threat of nuclear war
                A signatory state of the Budapest Memorandum (Russia) invading another signatory state of the Budapest Memorandum (Ukraine) that was to be explicitly protected from such acts of violence in return for nuclear disarmamemt is most definetly an escalation of the threat of nuclear war.
                >Yes. 100%.
                As demonstrated: Vatnik concern trolling.
                >Post guns.
                Post actual arguments or go leave.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nogunz

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NATO expands
                > not escalation
                NATO bombs european countries
                > not escalation. muh serbian genocide
                you have to worry about our super duper stealth nuclear bombers
                > not escalation
                NATO invades random Middle Eastern shithole
                > we make war for peace!
                > West good, East bad!
                US invading Vietnam - good. We failed but still.
                China invading Vietnam - bad. Haha, they failed.
                Also, "concern trolling" doesn't mean what you think it means.

                https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/v3007.pdf
                The Budapest Memorandum is on page 167 of the above if you want to go over the wording, but it's not even the only treaty in that pdf that Russia unilaterally broke. It's right there in picrel, and no amount of whataboutism will make it vanish.
                This isn't a matter of what constitutes "the West" or "Europe" or "spheres of influence" or any other attempt to muddy the waters. This is about a nuclear power with a permanent seat on the UN Security Council that ignores its commitments, tells bald-faced lies to its peers, and can't be trusted to keep its word.
                Pacta sunt servanda is the fundamental cornerstone of international relations, and Russia fails even that. That makes it everyone's concern.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                made you look *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~))

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >made you look *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~))
                At what?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NATO expands
                > not escalation
                NATO bombs european countries
                > not escalation. muh serbian genocide
                you have to worry about our super duper stealth nuclear bombers
                > not escalation
                NATO invades random Middle Eastern shithole
                > we make war for peace!
                > West good, East bad!
                US invading Vietnam - good. We failed but still.
                China invading Vietnam - bad. Haha, they failed.
                Also, "concern trolling" doesn't mean what you think it means.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO expands
                > not escalation
                correct
                >NATO bombs european countries
                >not escalation. muh serbian genocide
                also correct
                >you have to worry about our super duper stealth nuclear bombers
                >not escalation
                non sequitur
                >US BAD
                go leave

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder if you're going to count WW3 as "escalation". Probably not.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I actually read some your posts now (yes I actually was shit-stirring, sue me) and while I'll rescind the shill accusation, I still think you're an idiot.
                Ukraine not being a part of the West is irrelevant to the discussion of aid. it is simply too valuable a country for russia to be allowed to occupy it without significant Western pushback. even outside of the moral aspects the pragmatic considerations are crystal clear.
                If russia didn't want their nuclear umbrella dismantled, they shouldn't have made a situation in which that was a possibility.
                In fact, I think Ukraine should prioritize anti-missile radars and the like, because a blind, scared russia is a pliable russia.

                >>west equally bad!
                Who are you quoting?
                >invading a european country is not escalation!
                Yes. Invading a non-NATO state is not an escalation of the threat of nuclear war
                >you have to worry about the nooooks!
                Yes. 100%.
                >Go leave.
                Post guns.

                >Yes. Invading a non-NATO state is not an escalation of the threat of nuclear war
                It is when you literally promised not to invade the country if they gave up their nuclear deterrent.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine not being a part of the West is irrelevant to the discussion of aid. it is simply too valuable a country for russia to be allowed to occupy it without significant Western pushback.
                Its not valuable at all. It was part of the USSR and look how that ended out. There is a moral argument in favor of Ukrainian independence, not a strategic one.
                >In fact, I think Ukraine should prioritize anti-missile radars and the like, because a blind, scared russia is a pliable russia.
                A blind scared Russia is a Russia that is more likely to launch nooks than a Russia that is confident in its ability to detect and respond to our nooks.

                This is the problem with the war, everyone is so fricking moronic. Ukrainians included.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its not valuable at all.
                >population of several million
                >vast gas and oil fields
                >breadbasket of Europe, exports large amounts of food to Africa
                >not valuable at all
                >It was part of the USSR
                it was the most productive part of the USSR.

                >A blind scared Russia is a Russia that is more likely to launch nooks than a Russia that is confident in its ability to detect and respond to our nooks.
                A confident russia is going to keep trying shit. it's a lot more effective to keep them blind and contained.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it was the most productive part of the USSR.
                How did that turn out for the USSR? Give them Ukraine and their economy is still smaller than that of TX.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Give them Ukraine and their economy is still smaller than that of TX.
                You could also not give Ukraine to russia and let it join the West (like it wants to) instead.
                Win-win for everyone that matters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > it was the most productive part of the USSR
                > was
                > turned to shit after leaving USSR
                was being part of USSR the reason it was productive, I wonder?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. the reason it turned to shit was that the soviet officials took everything of value that was not nailed down and high-tailed it back to russia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                couldn't they replace it if they're so impressively productive?
                Also, I wonder how those soviet officials took the bountiful ukrainian soil to Russia. In their pockets or something?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's anyone's guess what you're trying to imply here, they never really stopped their agrarian production. Russia's influence is just now being stamped out, pidor by pidor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > they never really stopped their agrarian production
                So why did Ukraine turn to shit after leaving USSR, again?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because there is more to an economy than selling grain, and because the (russia aligned) government was corrupt as shit and ferried any money that was being made directly to their own bank accounts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why didn't the glorious West prevent that?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Were doing it now, aren't we?
                And did you forget the """"2014 CIA color revolution""""?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Were doing it now, aren't we?
                Not really, no. You just cheer from the polish borders the death of tens of thousands ukrainian men in productive age. millions of refugees, 20% of Ukraine lost, gibs delayed for months because burger politics, etc, etc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You just cheer for hundreds of thousands of dead Russians, ruined oil refineries, modern equipment and Cold War stockpiles lost, etc.
                Yeah

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > dead russians
                millions died of COVID, including in USA, hundreds of thousands are rookie numbers.
                > oil refineries
                they can use chinese refineries if need be. how's that improving anything?
                > modern equipment
                oh noes, they lost a couple of radars. it's like they can make new ones or something.
                > cold war stockpiles
                because those stockpile totally helped them to win the cold war? oh, wait..

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >millions died of COVID, including in USA, hundreds of thousands are rookie numbers.
                lol
                >they can use chinese refineries if need be.
                And china would just do that for free? they stand nothing to gain from that.
                >oh noes, they lost a couple of radars
                see picrel for what we considered a hilarious amount of losses a month in.
                >it's like they can make new ones or something
                They can't. all their good stuff requires Western components (which they can't get anymore because sanctions)
                >because those stockpile totally helped them to win the cold war? oh, wait..
                It isn't helping them win this war either lmao.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wait, I thought you were just screaming about those radars being casus belli for a nuclear exchange. Did some other idiot relieve you? You need to speak before changing shifts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So why did Ukraine turn to shit
                So, it wasn't shit when it was in the USSR? Did you forget about Holodomor, you complete shit?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                holodomor is a meme, much like the holocaust. you don't remember it either, fricking zoomer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if u don't believe my lies ur a zoomy
                You're like the shit I just scraped off of my shoe, serb. Do the world a favor and jump off a bridge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would, but the bridge fell. No can do.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Baltimore out of left field
                Go to HR and quit right now, you're completely worthless at this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you seem upset for some reason. is it because you're a blind fricker who constantly steps in shit?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So why did Ukraine turn to shit after leaving USSR, again?
                Based on the examples of the rise in living standards of the former Warsaw Pact nations around them, it sounds like the two chief factors were (1.) failing to join NATO, and (2.) delaying their bid for accession to the EU.
                Live and learn, I guess.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > rise in living standards of the former Warsaw Pact nations around them
                standards so high you see beggars everywhere now while young people go to western countries for higher pay.
                you know nothing, homosexual.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all that and it's still an improvement over the USSR
                not the win you think it is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > it's still an improvement over the USSR
                according to whom, I wonder? corrupted politicians? or normal people?
                not to mention zoomers don't know jack shit about old times and just parrot the memes they see on socials.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                literally everyone they asked.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > 91' USSR and Warsaw pact just crashed
                > why are people unhappy?
                a bit weird because if the communism was so oppressive they should be happy it fell.
                also weird that western countries improve as well. were they under USSR communism in 1991?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If communism was so great, why did everyone in the warsaw pact abandon it and join the West as soon as they could?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > also weird that western countries improve as well.
                Why is it weird that life without the looming totalitarian hell of the USSR would improve in nations that feared they might fall under its thumb if the Soviet war machine embarked on yet another war of conquest?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > 91' USSR and Warsaw pact just crashed
                > why are people unhappy?
                Maybe it was uncertainty about the future, an uncertainty that thirty years of improvement has eased. But the hammer and sickle wasn't lowered from the Kremlin until the last week of December 1991, right? Seems likely that the poll was taken before that happened and people were on edge, waiting to see if the corpse of the monster would twitch back to life like in a slasher flick.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >> it's still an improvement over the USSR
                >according to whom, I wonder? corrupted politicians? or normal people?
                lmao, ziggers are /leftypol/troons confirmed

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone including Putin

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > it's still an improvement over the USSR
                according to whom, I wonder? corrupted politicians? or normal people?
                not to mention zoomers don't know jack shit about old times and just parrot the memes they see on socials.

                https://i.imgur.com/37iTplv.jpeg

                I would, but the bridge fell. No can do.

                Been a rough week for you since the U.N. vote, huh?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > turned to shit after leaving USSR
                When have you ever stopped fricking with Ukraine after they left the USSR? We can trace your incursions back to the early 2000's. Monke has a hateboner for that region.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A blind scared Russia is a Russia that is more likely to launch nooks than a Russia that is confident in its ability to detect and respond to our nooks.
                A blind scared Russia should reprioritize its disposition of military assets and have them defending their critical systems inside of Russia instead of invading Ukraine.
                An actual scared Russia would never have invaded to begin with though...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In fact, I think Ukraine should prioritize anti-missile radars and the like, because a blind, scared russia is a pliable russia.
                NTA, but I agree with this. Russia has written off 3,000 visually confirmed tank losses and the gutting of their career military. They've handwaved away the loss of the wealthiest market for their energy exports. Nothing else seems to be getting through to Putin that a huge portion of the globe is aghast at the way he keeps doubling down on a total clusterfrick. And if Putin has too much tunnel vision to be persuaded at all, maybe the loss of a strategic installation or two is going to (finally) wake up somebody else that this is a losing venture and it's high time to cut their losses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Weak strawman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>Weak strawman.
                Is it? No counter-argument is provided. Its simply I disagree so you're a shill.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not really a question of "part of the West" or not, though. It has to do with a Russia that has become dangerously erratic.
                Picrel was the Kremlin messaging on every venue available to them, right up until they launched a sneak attack at 2:00 in the morning. If they had legitimate grievances, there were nonviolent approaches they could have exhausted first. If they could plead the rightness of their cause, they could have formed a coalition of the willing with at least ONE other nation and gone through some semblance of a rational process, issued formal ultimatums, etc.
                Yet Russia can't even articulate exactly what their aims ARE. The "NATO Biolabs" story was too ridiculous to sustain, but what exactly are "de-nazification" or "demilitarising Ukraine"? They've never made any attempt at a consistent narrative with metrics that onlookers could gauge for themselves. Every statement is vague, and the reasoning changes with the wind. Part of this is because the Kremlin can't say out loud "we thought we could conduct a quick smash-and-grab and annex the nation next to us and everyone would look the other way", but a bigger part is that Russian decision-making has gone off the rails.
                The point is that MAD works with rational actors, and Russia's actions are increasingly showing that they aren't acting rationally, or even in their own self-interest. First Russia memoryholed their own commitments under Helsinki and the Budapest Memorandum, and they keep pumping more resources into a quagmire where just the visual losses would have given pause to any nation with a sane loss limit. Attempts to negotiate are met with impossible demands, bluster, or complete fantasy. Putin's autocracy has become dangerously unhinged, and everybody watching is aware of it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >coalition of the willing with at least ONE other nation
                Hello, Belarus is a nation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Belarus is a nation.
                I'm going to skip the obvious joke about Luka being as independent from Putin as Kermit the Frog is from the muppeteer, but I will ask for a count of how many Belarussian troops have participated in the SMO.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > let me move the goalpost real quick
                cheers, anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not much a "coalition of the *willing*" if the only other nation involved doesn't have the option of opting out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This, but also: I'm going to argue that Belarus committing zero troops yet also somehow being part of the "broad-based international coalition behind the SMO" is something of a paradox.

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