drones are cheaper and more efficient
Given the way technology is progressing it would be more realistic for master chief to be a fully autonomous robot with cortana piloting him
this.
why spend millions on one unit when you can spend millions on a shitload of drones that can do far more damage and psychological harm to the enemy.
Because some of the fans cried ceaselessly for over a decade about how they hated the realistic, darker version of the armor in Halo 4 so they caved to autistic screeching and brought back the plastic armor from low-tech days.
Dogshit rendering tech in the latest engine as a result of Microsoft's retarded hiring practices constantly cycling out engine devs every few months.
Everything looked like washed out clay in infinite.
Artillery, Autocannons, portable launchers, and the situational awareness of drones make the Chief too expensive to simply be killed anyway. Even in universe the spartan 2's weren't replicated and the follow on projects emphasized lower cost over increasing capabilities, because no matter how super they are they're glorified infantry, and they're limited offensively by infantry weapon tech, while being susceptible to armored vehicle size weapons. Even in universe, master chief is just the luckiest sumbitch ever, him having a shield is just a gameplay contrivance
A dozen armored divisions would probably be worth more than a spartan on Reach >Grizzlies >Scorpions >Wolverines >Gauss Hogs with spankers n lasers riding shotgun
Reach fell because the UNSC, as usual, got obliterated in space. A dozen armored divisions doesn't mean shit when your enemy has space and air supremacy, and the technological ability to blast a column of plasma from low orbit.
IRL the II’s would basically have been super guinea pigs to figure out the whole biological augmentation bit, and more importantly how to scale it down to a safer and more cost effective level. Even compared to the other II’s Chief was explicitly one of a kind. The real issue was how in the fuck was the UNSC so ass backwards tech wise compared to the military shit we have today in a lot of ways. >and as cool as halo used to be before 343 utterly defiled it, I still think /k/illzone by far beat it as much as pure /k/ type of shit goes
That's like asking why Shadowrun has everything being made of onions while we're actively working on refining and expanding the cultivating meat from stim cells.
The authors and creators at those given times had little to no idea of the major advances that were being speculated let alone actually being made. Besides, who would have thought that drones would become as wide spread as they are now in their tactical capacity?
>who would have thought that drones would become as wide spread as they are now in their tactical capacity?
Two gundam shows from the 90s had the exact plot of remote weapons dehumanizing war.
The only one of the two that comes to mind immediately is Wing because I know about the Mobile Doll system. Even then, the "spirit" of Humanity prevailed augmented by the Zero system which is also a staple of the gundam universe.
F90 has the bugs, which are indiscriminate genocide machines. My greatest fear with unmanned weapons with machine learning is that soldiers will stop dying in war. Without humans being directly responsible for their own actions every war will turn into genocide. Imagine the Russo-Ukraine war, or God forbid any Arab war, where a soldier having the mental fortitude to follow orders won't be an issue. Wholesale slaughter of civilians is occurring even in the modern interconnected world. Mainstream cuck media are so focused on Le SkYnEt they can't understand the real implications of so-called "AI." I've lived through so many international tragedies that people get spooked about nukes over, but the thing that scares me is when war becomes totally irresponsible.
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There will never be a point where drones will be 100% autonomous or be able to kill indescriminately. If people shrug their shoulders at whomever is on the receiving end its because they decided they weren't appealing to or for.
Eitherway, the people being killed matter as much as the ones doing the killing and it'll never be the case where soldiers are not involved.
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Anonymous
>There will never be a point where drones will be 100% autonomous or be able to kill indescriminately
Just like humans never were? US soldiers were let loose in Vietnam and given kill quotas in areas where non-combatants didn't exist. Again, imagine someone like Russia, Israel, or Iran having his technology. You think they wouldn't just set it and forget it? Whenever there is a concept unveiling of new unmanned technology the media says it's great because fewer soldiers will die fighting. That's how it's sold, and people believe a disconnected human sitting at a computer will have the same responsibility as someone on the ground. Have you seen Apache thermal kill videos? Drone strikes? People love those things. If you think whoever will be running these weapons will both care about what is actually happening, and then not be disciplined for it by higher ups, I don't think you pay enough attention to what is happening in the worlds militaries.
That line of thinking is what will lead to such technology being used, and abused. Back to the Vietnam war, think about all the things people were mad about back when it was happening, and then think about all the stuff that came out after the fact. Even with all of the media surrounding it, worse was going on behind the scenes. We will never know the full extent of the evil being committed until decades later, if we even do. I've thought about this for a long time, and the fighting in Ukraine and the increased coverage of the Israeli subjugation of Palestinians has only made these thoughts more acute to me.
>The real issue was how in the fuck was the UNSC so ass backwards tech wise compared to the military shit we have today in a lot of ways.
It's funny to think that 2000s sci-fi is now retrofuturism.
Because single highly trained individuals cannot meaningfully affect the outcome of a war, outside of fictionland.
And also because SPARTANs were super goddamn expensive. Like “One SPARTAN was equal in cost to several destroyers” expensive.
No point >Walking tank
What this would be good for is attacking in CQB >Walking tank >Walking tank INSIDE of your trench/bunker/base and it's getting closer and closer
The Covenant had this problem when Spartans would board their vessels and they had to deal with a walking tank
Now that's some shit that's deadly, at the cost of maybe losing your SPARTAN which costs more than
It’s important in COIN and law enforcement, which was exactly what the spartans were supposed to do, they were a scifi HRT / GSG9 literally a glowie attack dogs made by the central government
Also, more generally, said groups are useful but they don’t really make a dramatic impact on a full-scale war
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UNSC was not expecting a full scale war, they were expecting secessionists
And there is zero reason to invest billions of dollars into something Delta/DEVGRU/SAD/Whomstever the fuck already does
They had the budget so why the fuck not, a small highly specialized team that gets all the nicest newest gadgets and can try out new tech is very important, also from a trickle down standpoint in infantry tactics
Cleetus from the farmworld will think twice about talking shit about the Earth government when he hears the story about the heavily armed super soldiers hunting down terrorist groups
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Anonymous
And you keep missing the point.
OP asked why “we” don’t have SPARTANs
And the answer is because they’re stupidly expensive and ultimately not relevant.
There have been specific squads in the US which single-handedly changed the course of war and they weren't even that special. See: the guys that clapped Osama.
Special Forces aren't even that valuable. It's just the best option you have pound-for-pound. A person with the utility of a spec ops squad and the capability of an IFV would actually be featured in history books if utilized correctly.
this would make sense if the guys who clapped osama were also the guys who found osama
in reality those guys were simply acting as errand boys for the CIA
Spec ops is an extension of Intel. It's always been "put the best people for the job on it for best possible chance of success". The more capable the unit, the more capability Intel will have to complete the mission.
It really comes down to how much effect 6-12 guys (per spec ops troop) can have on the battlefield. That's why super soldiers aren't actually a crazy movie-only idea. The micromanagement you can apply to a walking tank is MASSIVE.
you're missing the point, i'm saying that assigning credit for the success of that mission in particular (and that kind of mission in general) to essentially the weapons used to kill the guy is retarded when realistically it wouldn't have happened without a tremendous intelligence operation
supersoldiers are great but as a single person what they can do intelligence wise is limited and knowing is half the battle
unless your superman has an army of analyst nerds following him around the stuff he gathers is pretty useless and he'd be better off using his time to act on prepared intel and let the spooks do their jobs
>unless your superman has an army of analyst nerds following him around the stuff he gathers is pretty useless
In a realistic version, you WOULD have an army of analyst nerds following him around. That's always been the point of spec ops.
Even in Halo, you had the dude running around with a supercomputer AI.
If IDF is any reference current doctrine is just to send tanks and APCs to tank (yeah) all the heavy ordinance, once the enemy force is mauled enough you just send in infantry in flak armor supported by drones to mop everything up.
>Why aren't we putting more money and effort into this?
Because we don't really need slow, poorly armored, poorly armed, extra expensive light armored vehicles. The only redeeming qualities are it's ability to use urban cover and concealment, and to possibly go inside buildings if made light enough.
Even then, tungsten carbide bullets are probably all it takes to threaten it. A redneck with an AR and an M995 round can defeat 16mm of HHA, which exceeds level IV body armor considerably. If armored heavily enough to withstand M995 and M993, then your intended victims don't have to up-gun much, something like a .338 in tungsten carbide would probably go through any suit light enough to use residential stairs.
Because turning your grand children into murder machines and making them murder your children is generally frowned upon by people that aren't cartoonish supervillains.
the future of warfare is lowest common denominator. the time of wunderwaffe has come and gone, and what's left is cost effective, indirect combat, carried out by shitskins on behalf of powerful individuals half a world away.
Spartan program was created to fight interhuman insurgencies. It was literally created because the UNSC/UEG wanted something for an eventual civil that was boiling before the covenant invaded.
OG armor looks the best, and most sci fi
the marines also look better in 2001 as well, everything afterward is just jarringly contemporary and decidedly not sci fi
I agree with everything except shitfinite's chief keef is the best he's looked so far. Considering all the armor and cooling layers MJOLNIR is supposed to have even the newest suit looks much too skinny to be real and the earlier games were worse, but they nailed the weight of it with the infinite cutscenes. Shame there wasn't any camera shake or loud thuds when you jump or fall in-game. The Mk.V aesthetic is still king but it deserves being updated properly. I'm also still mad about them utterly wasting the open world with a franchise that could have made it actually fun and instead giving us ubisoft slop.
missiles and 20mm fire can still hit infantry, the survivability onion is the same for MOLJNIR as it is for flak armor infantry in that regard
screen him with infantry so he can go through doors
drones are cheaper and more efficient
Given the way technology is progressing it would be more realistic for master chief to be a fully autonomous robot with cortana piloting him
this.
why spend millions on one unit when you can spend millions on a shitload of drones that can do far more damage and psychological harm to the enemy.
Why do the models from 2012 look better than the models from 2020?
They overdesigned it and tried to loop back around to 2007, although it reminds me of a vomit green more than an OD with a bit of a shine
Video game corps only hire woman and tranny devs now, their creative skills are shit.
Source: mental illness
nta but this was the first result for "343 dev team"
right so, I'm looking at like 40 new positions opening
even sitting 3 rows back they stick out like a sore thumb, grim
burn 343 to the ground
halo 4 was trash so it's never being used again
Wild that left can run on a Pentium III and Windows 98 while right needs an i7-6800K and the latest version of Wangblows 10
Gaming technology has regressed backwards
2001 version is my favorite, KISS
Because some of the fans cried ceaselessly for over a decade about how they hated the realistic, darker version of the armor in Halo 4 so they caved to autistic screeching and brought back the plastic armor from low-tech days.
tranny youll never be a real woman
2012/2015 looks like shit. 2020 just needs a color fix.
Models from 2007 you mean
There's literally nothing different between Halo 4 to Halo 5, and Halo 4 looks fucking stupid. Fuck you, guy.
>Why do the models from 2007 look better than the models from 2020?
ftfy
Dogshit rendering tech in the latest engine as a result of Microsoft's retarded hiring practices constantly cycling out engine devs every few months.
Everything looked like washed out clay in infinite.
Artillery, Autocannons, portable launchers, and the situational awareness of drones make the Chief too expensive to simply be killed anyway. Even in universe the spartan 2's weren't replicated and the follow on projects emphasized lower cost over increasing capabilities, because no matter how super they are they're glorified infantry, and they're limited offensively by infantry weapon tech, while being susceptible to armored vehicle size weapons. Even in universe, master chief is just the luckiest sumbitch ever, him having a shield is just a gameplay contrivance
A dozen armored divisions would probably be worth more than a spartan on Reach
>Grizzlies
>Scorpions
>Wolverines
>Gauss Hogs with spankers n lasers riding shotgun
Reach fell because the UNSC, as usual, got obliterated in space. A dozen armored divisions doesn't mean shit when your enemy has space and air supremacy, and the technological ability to blast a column of plasma from low orbit.
IRL the II’s would basically have been super guinea pigs to figure out the whole biological augmentation bit, and more importantly how to scale it down to a safer and more cost effective level. Even compared to the other II’s Chief was explicitly one of a kind. The real issue was how in the fuck was the UNSC so ass backwards tech wise compared to the military shit we have today in a lot of ways.
>and as cool as halo used to be before 343 utterly defiled it, I still think /k/illzone by far beat it as much as pure /k/ type of shit goes
That's like asking why Shadowrun has everything being made of onions while we're actively working on refining and expanding the cultivating meat from stim cells.
The authors and creators at those given times had little to no idea of the major advances that were being speculated let alone actually being made. Besides, who would have thought that drones would become as wide spread as they are now in their tactical capacity?
>who would have thought that drones would become as wide spread as they are now in their tactical capacity?
Two gundam shows from the 90s had the exact plot of remote weapons dehumanizing war.
The only one of the two that comes to mind immediately is Wing because I know about the Mobile Doll system. Even then, the "spirit" of Humanity prevailed augmented by the Zero system which is also a staple of the gundam universe.
F90 has the bugs, which are indiscriminate genocide machines. My greatest fear with unmanned weapons with machine learning is that soldiers will stop dying in war. Without humans being directly responsible for their own actions every war will turn into genocide. Imagine the Russo-Ukraine war, or God forbid any Arab war, where a soldier having the mental fortitude to follow orders won't be an issue. Wholesale slaughter of civilians is occurring even in the modern interconnected world. Mainstream cuck media are so focused on Le SkYnEt they can't understand the real implications of so-called "AI." I've lived through so many international tragedies that people get spooked about nukes over, but the thing that scares me is when war becomes totally irresponsible.
There will never be a point where drones will be 100% autonomous or be able to kill indescriminately. If people shrug their shoulders at whomever is on the receiving end its because they decided they weren't appealing to or for.
Eitherway, the people being killed matter as much as the ones doing the killing and it'll never be the case where soldiers are not involved.
>There will never be a point where drones will be 100% autonomous or be able to kill indescriminately
Just like humans never were? US soldiers were let loose in Vietnam and given kill quotas in areas where non-combatants didn't exist. Again, imagine someone like Russia, Israel, or Iran having his technology. You think they wouldn't just set it and forget it? Whenever there is a concept unveiling of new unmanned technology the media says it's great because fewer soldiers will die fighting. That's how it's sold, and people believe a disconnected human sitting at a computer will have the same responsibility as someone on the ground. Have you seen Apache thermal kill videos? Drone strikes? People love those things. If you think whoever will be running these weapons will both care about what is actually happening, and then not be disciplined for it by higher ups, I don't think you pay enough attention to what is happening in the worlds militaries.
That line of thinking is what will lead to such technology being used, and abused. Back to the Vietnam war, think about all the things people were mad about back when it was happening, and then think about all the stuff that came out after the fact. Even with all of the media surrounding it, worse was going on behind the scenes. We will never know the full extent of the evil being committed until decades later, if we even do. I've thought about this for a long time, and the fighting in Ukraine and the increased coverage of the Israeli subjugation of Palestinians has only made these thoughts more acute to me.
Power armor would be sick, though.
>The real issue was how in the fuck was the UNSC so ass backwards tech wise compared to the military shit we have today in a lot of ways.
It's funny to think that 2000s sci-fi is now retrofuturism.
>we
kys
Because single highly trained individuals cannot meaningfully affect the outcome of a war, outside of fictionland.
And also because SPARTANs were super goddamn expensive. Like “One SPARTAN was equal in cost to several destroyers” expensive.
>Because single highly trained individuals cannot meaningfully affect the outcome of a war, outside of fictionland.
Highly untrained ones can though
It's less about training and more about charisma.
You fell for propaganda.
No point
>Walking tank
What this would be good for is attacking in CQB
>Walking tank
>Walking tank INSIDE of your trench/bunker/base and it's getting closer and closer
The Covenant had this problem when Spartans would board their vessels and they had to deal with a walking tank
Now that's some shit that's deadly, at the cost of maybe losing your SPARTAN which costs more than
That was for Halsey' entire power armor budget including R&D and procurement.
That's still a shit ton of money but I guess if jpow keeps printing money that's how much it'll cost
If you think trained individuals don't matter wait until you try fighting a war with untrained groups lel.
Training as a whole, yes obviously that matters.
But a handful of ultra highly trained specialists? Not really.
It’s important in COIN and law enforcement, which was exactly what the spartans were supposed to do, they were a scifi HRT / GSG9 literally a glowie attack dogs made by the central government
And there is zero reason to invest billions of dollars into something Delta/DEVGRU/SAD/Whomstever the fuck already does
Also, more generally, said groups are useful but they don’t really make a dramatic impact on a full-scale war
UNSC was not expecting a full scale war, they were expecting secessionists
They had the budget so why the fuck not, a small highly specialized team that gets all the nicest newest gadgets and can try out new tech is very important, also from a trickle down standpoint in infantry tactics
Cleetus from the farmworld will think twice about talking shit about the Earth government when he hears the story about the heavily armed super soldiers hunting down terrorist groups
And you keep missing the point.
OP asked why “we” don’t have SPARTANs
And the answer is because they’re stupidly expensive and ultimately not relevant.
>ultra highly trained specialists
This is what incompetents call people who actually care about their job.
There have been specific squads in the US which single-handedly changed the course of war and they weren't even that special. See: the guys that clapped Osama.
Special Forces aren't even that valuable. It's just the best option you have pound-for-pound. A person with the utility of a spec ops squad and the capability of an IFV would actually be featured in history books if utilized correctly.
was Osama even still relevant when the US killed him?
No.
this would make sense if the guys who clapped osama were also the guys who found osama
in reality those guys were simply acting as errand boys for the CIA
Spec ops is an extension of Intel. It's always been "put the best people for the job on it for best possible chance of success". The more capable the unit, the more capability Intel will have to complete the mission.
It really comes down to how much effect 6-12 guys (per spec ops troop) can have on the battlefield. That's why super soldiers aren't actually a crazy movie-only idea. The micromanagement you can apply to a walking tank is MASSIVE.
you're missing the point, i'm saying that assigning credit for the success of that mission in particular (and that kind of mission in general) to essentially the weapons used to kill the guy is retarded when realistically it wouldn't have happened without a tremendous intelligence operation
supersoldiers are great but as a single person what they can do intelligence wise is limited and knowing is half the battle
unless your superman has an army of analyst nerds following him around the stuff he gathers is pretty useless and he'd be better off using his time to act on prepared intel and let the spooks do their jobs
>unless your superman has an army of analyst nerds following him around the stuff he gathers is pretty useless
In a realistic version, you WOULD have an army of analyst nerds following him around. That's always been the point of spec ops.
Even in Halo, you had the dude running around with a supercomputer AI.
> how much effect 6-12 guys (per spec ops troop) can have on the battlefield
Not actually that much.
>Spec ops is an extension of Intel.
No lol. Intel is an extension of operations in any functional military. Giving intel command is how campaigns die.
intel weenies enable your meanies
Why aren't we putting more money and effort into this?
Because it jobs to like 6 tac missles and gives the taliban free rec
If IDF is any reference current doctrine is just to send tanks and APCs to tank (yeah) all the heavy ordinance, once the enemy force is mauled enough you just send in infantry in flak armor supported by drones to mop everything up.
>Why aren't we putting more money and effort into this?
Because we don't really need slow, poorly armored, poorly armed, extra expensive light armored vehicles. The only redeeming qualities are it's ability to use urban cover and concealment, and to possibly go inside buildings if made light enough.
Even then, tungsten carbide bullets are probably all it takes to threaten it. A redneck with an AR and an M995 round can defeat 16mm of HHA, which exceeds level IV body armor considerably. If armored heavily enough to withstand M995 and M993, then your intended victims don't have to up-gun much, something like a .338 in tungsten carbide would probably go through any suit light enough to use residential stairs.
Okay what do you do if I have an energy shield?
Well, MY country is 😀
IVAS my beloved
the two guys on the right look like they have derpy mouths due to their chinstraps
The face diapers ruin the picture.
oops thought they were face masks like picrel. Here's a better image then. These things are peak sci-fi kino
my neck hurts just by looking at it
kys
ach, mr. Biden
you dont belong here, go back
"Get in, nerd, we're invading the 5th dimension stronghold of the lizard people."
Because turning your grand children into murder machines and making them murder your children is generally frowned upon by people that aren't cartoonish supervillains.
the future of warfare is lowest common denominator. the time of wunderwaffe has come and gone, and what's left is cost effective, indirect combat, carried out by shitskins on behalf of powerful individuals half a world away.
Nonsense and Sodomic
Spartan program was created to fight interhuman insurgencies. It was literally created because the UNSC/UEG wanted something for an eventual civil that was boiling before the covenant invaded.
OG armor looks the best, and most sci fi
the marines also look better in 2001 as well, everything afterward is just jarringly contemporary and decidedly not sci fi
Bungie really hated the futuristic approach to human equipment. They just thought it would be cool if it was more rugged than futuristic.
I agree with everything except shitfinite's chief keef is the best he's looked so far. Considering all the armor and cooling layers MJOLNIR is supposed to have even the newest suit looks much too skinny to be real and the earlier games were worse, but they nailed the weight of it with the infinite cutscenes. Shame there wasn't any camera shake or loud thuds when you jump or fall in-game. The Mk.V aesthetic is still king but it deserves being updated properly. I'm also still mad about them utterly wasting the open world with a franchise that could have made it actually fun and instead giving us ubisoft slop.
We already have something better at similar size.
The virgin power armor vs the CHAD WIESEL
>guys, how about a tankette, but modern!
>a tankette with legs is ok though
Missiles and 20mm fire can still hit a dude if he's on top of stairs.
missiles and 20mm fire can still hit infantry, the survivability onion is the same for MOLJNIR as it is for flak armor infantry in that regard
screen him with infantry so he can go through doors
You now realize power armor is tankettes but scifi.
the profile of a man isn't as large or as psychically limited as a vehicle
The Wiesel is basically as wide as two dudes standing shoulder to shoulder and a little taller than a guy. It's fine.
it can't climb stairs
Imagine if every soldier was assigned a wiesel… glorious
I love her so much, bros.
Why are you gigantic homosexuals arguing over a medium of fiction?
same reason as always fucking batteries being dogshit
As a Master Chief, how many troops should he be commanding/
about 3.50
Robocop would be a more cost effective measure
Fixed.
Can't believe the last canonical happening in the Halo universe was 14 years ago.
>the realistic, darker version of the armor in Halo 4
He literally lost his dick armor, thats the most unrealistic thing of all time
this, if I have a needler I am 100% aiming for the enemy's dick, every time
the games are guaranteed to sell, Microsoft will just shit out some garbage and make millions