We could pretty easily make one that drills a 300mm tunnel and is powered by umbilical from the surface.
Problem is you need to remove everything it drills and it's going to have a speed measured in meters per hour.
There's always a use for something like that. For example, if you want to launch a larger attack a month from now, the opening stage is far easier if you already mined all of the enemy front positions. Including minefields.
You're free to do that. Meanwhile I've dropped twenty times as much HE on your stupid ass, launched a preemptive attack and reinforced my defenses since you need a fucking month to prep what amounts to an artillery barrage
It is that simple IF you control the airspace, Ukraine has turned into trench warfare because neither side controls the air.
Moreover, to simultaneously shoot arty to all the points you want, even underground, along a wide enough front, you'd need to concentrate hundreds of precision guided artillery guns etc close enough. One drillboi could achieve the same result, unnoticed, given enough time. And the only precision part would be the drone itself, not the payload. Why shoot a thousand excalibur shells when one sophisticated drill is enough?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sorry anon but most targets in a war are way too time sensitive for a drill drone to be viable.
If you really want a practical use for them terrorism is probably the best bet.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
How fucking long is it going to take for your drill to mine an entire front if it's so large that you need hundreds of guns to cover? >unnoticed
lmao
Eh, the front in Ukraine has barely moved in a year. I'm sure that a small drill digging only through soil could mine one enemy trench a day or less. Even MOLES can dig 30 meters a day. How would you counter it, in the conditions that the trenches are now? Give the drone a thermal sensor and it can lay a grenade right under a sleeping russian.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
How fucking long is it going to take for your drill to mine an entire front if it's so large that you need hundreds of guns to cover? >unnoticed
lmao
>artillery in ww1 >might hit somewhere over there, maybe
Vs >artillery now (1st world) >question is whether you hit the soldier directly, or "just" put the 155 in his foxhole
We could pretty easily make one that drills a 300mm tunnel and is powered by umbilical from the surface.
Problem is you need to remove everything it drills and it's going to have a speed measured in meters per hour.
Because they'd be detected about 5 seconds after work starts. If you can detect dudes with shovels and picks mining away slowly and carefully (which has been possible since ancient times) you can hear a big fuckoff mechanical drill slowly boring it's way through the ground. You'd probably even see it on seismographs before you heard it. It's not exactly a delicate thing to drill through bedrock and below.
Real as fuck actually. Thing is it's also slow as fuck and basically impossible to hide from anyone listening for tunneling.
>Seismic sensors that cost like $75
I came to call you out for this shit but then I found something interesting. During Vietnam, the US had seismic alarms. No idea if they still work. They were the cheapest seismic sensor I could find. Everything else that would work out of the box started at $175...
>1000 horsepower >that's incredible, no engine could do that. it must use... rocket fuel or something!
how far we've come. A machine like this would need a lot more than 1k hp
The way it turns out, it's actually much harder to move through the ground than it is to move on top of it. Even moving on the ocean is easier than through the ground. Hell, even UNDER the ocean is easier. Other things easier to navigate than through solid earth include the air and fucking outer space.
There were projects for building nuclear thermal drills for rapid tunnelling, for which at least one patent was granted (US3693731A) but trying to research the project and sort out what's real and what is fake conspiracy nut shit is like pulling teeth. For some reason, someone was very dedicated to making bs documentation for the project. The most believable fake DTIC report I've ever seen was for a subterrene, I read the whole thing and only realised it was fake when I looked up the report number and found the document it was edited from.
>"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots."
Simpsons got it wrong....
Cultivator No. 6, code name of a military trench-digging machine developed by the British Royal Navy at the beginning of World War II.
It was designed to advance upon an enemy position largely below ground level in a trench that it was itself excavating. On reaching the enemy's front line, it would serve as a ramp for the troops and possibly tanks following in its trench.
>that time in the civil war where union forces tunneled under and planted charges beneath the confederate line, which blasted a meteor sized crater through it >rather than storming through in the intended follow up, union forces then became trapped in the deep pit that was made as confederate forces fired down at them from above
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Crater
>hits a rock >"oh no we're stuck!"
Drills are either small and quick but drill tiny holes, or massive and slow and dig huge holes. There's no inbetween.
They are impractical and anything they could hypothetically do can be achieved easier via other means.
Now watch this drive.
They're called ICBMs, Anon. They're underground.
If you're asking why we don't have big drill tanks and mecha I'm just gonna have to call you a retard.
>why aren't there subterrean weapons
>they called ICBMs, Anon. they're underground
Wakaliwood > Hollywood
Who does their special effects? I'd like to hire them to edit my home videos.
I don think that drill would work.
Its going to drill a smaller hole than nedded
It comes off that tracked carrier.
We can make drills this big. How hard could it be to make a smaller drill, just big enough to deliver some ~10 kg of explosives under your target?
We have that. It's called artillery, and it can deliver thousands of those explosives for the cost of your drilldo.
There's always a use for something like that. For example, if you want to launch a larger attack a month from now, the opening stage is far easier if you already mined all of the enemy front positions. Including minefields.
You're free to do that. Meanwhile I've dropped twenty times as much HE on your stupid ass, launched a preemptive attack and reinforced my defenses since you need a fucking month to prep what amounts to an artillery barrage
If it was that easy to just "shoot the trenches" we wouldn't have trench warfare still.
And yet, no one is making bomb drills...curious
Moreover, to simultaneously shoot arty to all the points you want, even underground, along a wide enough front, you'd need to concentrate hundreds of precision guided artillery guns etc close enough. One drillboi could achieve the same result, unnoticed, given enough time. And the only precision part would be the drone itself, not the payload. Why shoot a thousand excalibur shells when one sophisticated drill is enough?
Sorry anon but most targets in a war are way too time sensitive for a drill drone to be viable.
If you really want a practical use for them terrorism is probably the best bet.
Eh, the front in Ukraine has barely moved in a year. I'm sure that a small drill digging only through soil could mine one enemy trench a day or less. Even MOLES can dig 30 meters a day. How would you counter it, in the conditions that the trenches are now? Give the drone a thermal sensor and it can lay a grenade right under a sleeping russian.
How fucking long is it going to take for your drill to mine an entire front if it's so large that you need hundreds of guns to cover?
>unnoticed
lmao
It is that simple IF you control the airspace, Ukraine has turned into trench warfare because neither side controls the air.
Israel completely controls the airspace over Gaza and and still can't destroy Hamas's tunnels
Trenches and a tunnel network are not the same thing.
If you've got a month you can spend a few days making the drill you need. There's no need to prefab one.
>your target is already underground
😮
didn't they have artillery in ww1 tho
Man it would sure be awkward if they both just tunneled into each other. Haha
It happened sometimes. Then there'd be brutal hand to hand combat with knives, shovels, pistols, and whatever else they had with them.
Thats from that one german fencing sport. They liked getting facial scars
It's called Mensur, and yes.
Fun fact: they used to like facial scars so much that non-fencers would sometimes pay a doctor to cut them with a scalpel.
>artillery in ww1
>might hit somewhere over there, maybe
Vs
>artillery now (1st world)
>question is whether you hit the soldier directly, or "just" put the 155 in his foxhole
Excal is a bitch like that yeah
Things won't be that easy
>German Trench
Austrians, Hungarians etc forgotten once again....
>Things won't be that easy
agreed, they will never see it coming
Interesting things could happen while they're distracted.
I FUCKING knew it was coming.
>13 replies before someone mentions any real example of mining and tunnel warfare
Embarrassing, /k/. Do better.
Sure, how many years do you have?
We could pretty easily make one that drills a 300mm tunnel and is powered by umbilical from the surface.
Problem is you need to remove everything it drills and it's going to have a speed measured in meters per hour.
Your mom came up with that measurement.
fake af
why are you so retarded
another racist flex from whitey
Because they'd be detected about 5 seconds after work starts. If you can detect dudes with shovels and picks mining away slowly and carefully (which has been possible since ancient times) you can hear a big fuckoff mechanical drill slowly boring it's way through the ground. You'd probably even see it on seismographs before you heard it. It's not exactly a delicate thing to drill through bedrock and below.
Real as fuck actually. Thing is it's also slow as fuck and basically impossible to hide from anyone listening for tunneling.
>Because they'd be detected about 5 seconds after work starts.
if you dig deep enough, could they do anything about it though?
Drilling wells and sending explosives down the bore is standard practice for over a century.
real, it's actually your dad's dilator
how do you think mountainside train tunnels are carved out retard?
Seismic sensors that cost like $75 could pick them up from miles away.
>Seismic sensors that cost like $75
I came to call you out for this shit but then I found something interesting. During Vietnam, the US had seismic alarms. No idea if they still work. They were the cheapest seismic sensor I could find. Everything else that would work out of the box started at $175...
https://prc68.com/I/PSR1.shtml
Drills are loud and sound travels a long way through rock. The enemy will hear you coming.
This. Modern seismology would defeat any attempt at underground sneak attacks.
Seems to be working for Gaza
That's defensive. Hamas had years to dig those tunnels and they didn't help them invade Israel.
>implying there aren’t
Your own image explains it. MOLE uses a nuclear reactor like everything in Thunderbirds universe because they are based.
Unobtanium still not available.
But we need to believe.
Cavewars will rise, terranaut-bros.
>1000 horsepower
>that's incredible, no engine could do that. it must use... rocket fuel or something!
how far we've come. A machine like this would need a lot more than 1k hp
I wonder when it's from because by WW2 1000HP wasn't a lot.
Thunderbirds is set in the 2060's
I think the "rocket fuel" is more their way of articulating air-independent fuel in a digestible manner than as a means of achieving 1000 hp.
The way it turns out, it's actually much harder to move through the ground than it is to move on top of it. Even moving on the ocean is easier than through the ground. Hell, even UNDER the ocean is easier. Other things easier to navigate than through solid earth include the air and fucking outer space.
There were projects for building nuclear thermal drills for rapid tunnelling, for which at least one patent was granted (US3693731A) but trying to research the project and sort out what's real and what is fake conspiracy nut shit is like pulling teeth. For some reason, someone was very dedicated to making bs documentation for the project. The most believable fake DTIC report I've ever seen was for a subterrene, I read the whole thing and only realised it was fake when I looked up the report number and found the document it was edited from.
Why do you think someone did that?
yeah
>not posted yet
Disappointed.
>"The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots."
Simpsons got it wrong....
What makes you think there aren't?
Nothing prevents you from diffing under enemy lines and placing nukes. Has likely already been done.
Diffing=drilling
Takes too long. Drills progress at about 300 yards per Day. Not per hour, per Day. You might as well just use a shovel.
Cultivator No. 6, code name of a military trench-digging machine developed by the British Royal Navy at the beginning of World War II.
It was designed to advance upon an enemy position largely below ground level in a trench that it was itself excavating. On reaching the enemy's front line, it would serve as a ramp for the troops and possibly tanks following in its trench.
They're an underground band, you probably haven't heard of them.
the borehole accords signed with the mole-men prohibits it. don't look it u
>that time in the civil war where union forces tunneled under and planted charges beneath the confederate line, which blasted a meteor sized crater through it
>rather than storming through in the intended follow up, union forces then became trapped in the deep pit that was made as confederate forces fired down at them from above
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Crater
I did not know they did this in the war of northern aggression
>war of northern aggression
You mean the War of Fort Sumner?
They tried this again at Cheatham Hill during the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain but the Confederates knew better and slaughtered them.
>hits a rock
>"oh no we're stuck!"
Drills are either small and quick but drill tiny holes, or massive and slow and dig huge holes. There's no inbetween.
Just do what the Locust did in Gears of War 2 and make a huge worm that can sink an entire city.
Mining equipment is extremely maintenance intensive