Why aren't the Russians using their artillery?

They're just sending their soldiers out there into the meat grinder without any artillery support, wouldn't removing all possible resistance from the target areas instead of just diving headfirst into the slav slicer be a much better approach?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you seen the state of their shells? Trying to fire artillery shells that have been stored at the bottom of a swamp for 20 years is playing Russian Roulette on hard mode.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >*Russian* roulette
      Oh the ironing

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ammo low

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All those that could operate them are now either dead or maimed.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they lost their ammo, their barrels are warping or exploding, and counterbattery fire is taking chunks out of that artillery every day

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      See .
      Do you remember back during the summer when the vatniks were oh so proud of their +60,000 shells a day numbers? Well, shit old soviet artillery barrels cannot sustain that for long. Neither could Soviet ammo stores when being targeted by M31 GMLRS or Excalibur. So, Russia has likely had to replace them all, piecemeal, the priority of which has gone to the Donetsk line or Kherson if they could reach it. And if your artillery cannot suppress a enemy advance, well, certainly other factors are at play but I got to imagine that it contributed somewhat to current events.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Counter-battery fire with all the nice toys HATO gave must be terrifying

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    but they are, its just that currently the lines are moving to fast to set up large overwelming strikes, but they still fire off some unguided rockets and shoot a couple shells at the Ukranians. The more interesting thing is that strikes deep inside western Ukraine have practically stopped completely, are they out of missiles that can reach that far?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They probably still have a lot of kh-22, but with it's shit accuracy it does more pr harm than military results. It seems they are either saving kalibrs for the highest value targets or are so low that they reached an iron strategic reserve they fear to deplete in case of another conflict popping up

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        KH-22s and S-300s have been the majority of what they've been chimping out with at the Ukrainian civilians even at this point. Just last week, their chimpout at Kharkiv involved a dozen fucking missiles launched at it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They used an S300 AA missile to fry that civilian convoy last week for some reason so it would seem they're out of the good ground target stuff and are having to push AA and the crappier older systems in to plug the hole

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically No Intel due to Ukies jamming Coms
    and Ukies moving too fast

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      While the lack of resupply is a big one, this is the real answer. Russian C3 is so degraded that the batteries that are still combat effective can't get good fire missions processed fast enough to be useful. "Violence of Action" might be a meme, but it works. If you're pressing forward faster than their artillery can target you, then it's largely ineffective.

      Then you consider the threat of an arty crew getting overrun, and I have to imagine that they're packing up and running at the first sign of a breakthrough instead of continuing to run fire missions.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        for me it's the risk pieces

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        for me it's the Tesla Tower in Belarus (top of pic)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >MacArthur
        always gets me

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          for me its
          >3 RG DIVS AT SAUDI BORDER

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        For me, it's the A-Team van and the Vietcong

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        East Side rolling 40s all the way to Moscow

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        for me, its von pro-russischen Truppen gehaltenes Gebiet

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Two prong factor: They used a lot of their ammunition in the summer Donbass offensive, and now HIMARS mean ammo dumps have to be so far back the arty can't be resupplied in a timely manner.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What makes you think they're not?
    Russia's army still predominantly relies on Napoleonic tactics and spam their artillery as much as they can. They are going through dozens of tons of shells per day, even at a time where their logistics are utterly fucked and that capacity would be better spent on ligher ammo, fuel and food.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They shot 60-70k rounds per day for 4 months. They got no more

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smooker would like a word with you OP

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No fucking wonder Ukraine has artillery supremacy in Kherson now.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kherson looks like the Italy of Russia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder how Ukraine finds them. They can't have eyes-on with spy satellites 24/7 surely. Ahem.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > satellites
        Even faster
        > J-STARS to track vehicle movements,
        > B-20 GUARD RAIL to hoover up cell signals
        > other ELINT to track & capture signals,
        > mix the two, you can figure out where ammo dumps are.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And that's without friendly locals phoning in base locations.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are.
    Shit aim, however.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    moron, artillery is the only thing giving them results. Currently the majority of it is concentrated around Bahmut. Without their shit heap of artillery they would be out of game months ago

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The russians apparently don't know exactly where the enemy is s are just spreading the shells blindly, nor are their soldiers capable of attacking under a arty umbrella, and given the lack of precision it is perhaps understandable that they would rather be in their foxholes.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they are trying to liberate their people not bomb them shlomo

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Logistics interdiction is OP

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Take your pick
    >Lines moving faster than arty can keep up
    >Shell shortage due to:

    >>Bad storage
    usage
    depot strikes
    >Wear and tear on guns due to

    >>Bad maintenance
    usage
    depot strikes
    >Disruption of C3 networks, making it hard to call in a fire mission (see the guy begging for CAS on Telegram)
    >Counter-battery fire from Western weapons with superior range
    >ABANDOONers

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd add
      > fear of counter-battery fire
      You might get one or two rounds off but counter fire is inbound before your first round lands.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Take your pick
      >Lines moving faster than arty can keep up
      well, it's definitely not that one for the Russians...unless you mean backwards

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's exactly what they're TRYING to do. Russian artillery crews seem to be the most effective part of the Russian army BY FAR. They have had success integrating stuff like drone spotting pretty well. The reason why it hasn't translated into battle field success has to do with chronic supply issues, holhols getting superior NATO intelligence, and the general incompetence of other parts of the Russian military.
      See

      > satellites
      Even faster
      > J-STARS to track vehicle movements,
      > B-20 GUARD RAIL to hoover up cell signals
      > other ELINT to track & capture signals,
      > mix the two, you can figure out where ammo dumps are.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Their comms are all fucked up. They can't effectively dial-in shit.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    But they did. The initial invasion was all about Gopnik spamming artillery. That is until HIMAR bitchslap them back with counter batteries.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you been living under a rock? They're using unprecedented amounts of artillery without being restricted by any ROE and they're still getting raped. Turns out being an artillery spamming retard with more guns and ammo than God himself isn't enough to win.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    1.) Shell Shortage
    2.) Got./get decimated by HIMARS

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    THEYRE STILL JUST TRYING TO TERROR BOMB ODESA WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE IDIOTS

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine will give in any second now, Odessa will capitulate and then Russia owns all of the Black Sea coast. Check mate hohols!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russians have a weird obsession with Odessa that goes back even deeper than Kiev. To cut off Ukraine's access to the sea (another obsession of Putin/Russians) they need to take it as well.

      People talk about Kherson and Mariupol and etc. but those were day-1 objectives in the original Russian plan. Kiev, Kharkov, and Odessa were the 3 main targets of the initial Russian attack and all 3 were unable to be captured. Only Kharkov was ever in any real danger of falling as well and the september offensive removed that threat.

      The Iranian suicide drones are too inaccurate to do much besides terror bombing anyway. They ran out of kalibr/iskanders and the Russian AF is too scared to come out and fight so that's all they got now.

      Lastly, they see tormenting Odessa as revenge for the sinking of the Moskva. It threw Putin into a rage and was the point he cut off trying to negotiate with Ukraine or at least agree to a temporary ceasefire

      As for the chances of taking Odessa, it's phenomenally low by this point. It'd be very difficult if not impossible to take it from Crimea or Kherson given the state of things there (Khershon front is collapsing). Russia hasn't taken land between the dozens of square km since June and they're still a distance from Odessa from the Crimean Front. They'd probably need naval support, and the death of the Moskva forced the russian navy or amphibious ops out of action. Moreover Odessa has been turned into a fortress and the CnC of Ukraine's military said back in August that it has better defenses atm than Kiev.

      Russians since July have just been (desperately) trying to keep what they've managed to capture

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A Russian landing in or anywhere near the city wouldn't even reach the beach. It's defences are fully activated and Five Eyes is watching everything they do.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They'd have to get within range of Neptune's again. 18 Batteries (each with 3 launchers are deployed around Odessa according to a /uhg/ thread back in July I remember. It took just 2 launchers to sink the Moskva (and they only fired 25% of their inventory of missiles) and it had the best AShM defenses of the black sea fleet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Neptune-san HUNGERS

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and it had the best AShM defenses of the black sea fleet
            So the rest of the BSF is buck naked then? I remember hearing that out of 6 CIWS on the Moskva, only one was operational.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              more or less. The rest of the ships in the Black Sea Fleet are:

              x2 Krivak Frigates (designed for ASW duties)
              x3 Admiral Grigorovich Frigates (designed for ASW/Coastal support duties)
              x4 Small Tarantul Missile Boats
              x7 Small Missile Boats
              x3 Grisha ASW Corvettes
              x4-5 LSTs
              x7 Kilo SSKs

              They are incredibly vulnerable to missile & air attack. If they venture too close to the coast they're done.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Krivak
                These are old, old. Last russian ones were built in the early 90s. I can't imagine 30 years of use -- and Top Notch Russian Maintenance [tm] -- have been kind to their systems. These are floating Harpoon catchers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Someone post the NTR greentext with Odessa

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kiev + Odessa are what Ukraine is according to Russians. They don't care about Lviv or consider it even Ukrainian (it's Polish to them, and indeed to Poland still) and Kharkov is just seen as extension of Russia. They failed to take Kiev and all but gave up on it, but Odessa still appears reasonably close to Russian lines and Putin never overtly called off attacking Odessa like Kiev so they still hold out hope it can fall.

        Lastly, Odessa is necessary for Russian naval plans and Putin/his cronies/vatniks have this weird 19th century-style obsession with capturing ports and controlling waterways.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russians have a weird obsession with Odessa that goes back even deeper than Kiev. To cut off Ukraine's access to the sea (another obsession of Putin/Russians) they need to take it as well.

      People talk about Kherson and Mariupol and etc. but those were day-1 objectives in the original Russian plan. Kiev, Kharkov, and Odessa were the 3 main targets of the initial Russian attack and all 3 were unable to be captured. Only Kharkov was ever in any real danger of falling as well and the september offensive removed that threat.

      The Iranian suicide drones are too inaccurate to do much besides terror bombing anyway. They ran out of kalibr/iskanders and the Russian AF is too scared to come out and fight so that's all they got now.

      Lastly, they see tormenting Odessa as revenge for the sinking of the Moskva. It threw Putin into a rage and was the point he cut off trying to negotiate with Ukraine or at least agree to a temporary ceasefire

      As for the chances of taking Odessa, it's phenomenally low by this point. It'd be very difficult if not impossible to take it from Crimea or Kherson given the state of things there (Khershon front is collapsing). Russia hasn't taken land between the dozens of square km since June and they're still a distance from Odessa from the Crimean Front. They'd probably need naval support, and the death of the Moskva forced the russian navy or amphibious ops out of action. Moreover Odessa has been turned into a fortress and the CnC of Ukraine's military said back in August that it has better defenses atm than Kiev.

      Russians since July have just been (desperately) trying to keep what they've managed to capture

      There are also historical/esoteric reasons why Odessa is a symbolic hotspot in this war between the oligarchs in Russia, the oligarchs in Ukraine, and the internationalists.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa_pogroms

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes Odessa has a heavy gnomish history and still has the most garden gnomes in it of anywhere in Ukraine (~50,000 of 70,000 total Ukrainian garden gnomes). I doubt that plays heavily into the state of things though. Ukrainians seem to have gotten over their historic issue with garden gnomes given they've elected one to office, and Putin doesn't care about garden gnomes much outside of muh nazis

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Misunderstood the order, blew ivan instead of ivanivka.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just watch Perun's video, he predicted this a few months ago. You can't spend 60k+ shells per day without consequences

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember images from the initial buildup of supply depots and positions when russia first started attempting to fortify their gains in march/April. The state of the artillery shells i saw makes me wonder just how many of Russia's guns have been fucked by their own ammo.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    theyre unironically scared of counterfire by panzehruabitze 2000 and krab. ua arty crews said ru arty are firing less since these were introduced

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    According to the Wagner boss Russia has been spending artillery at 2.5 times the rate of Stalingrad. It is very much possible that Russia has exhausted its stockpiles to a very detrimental level during the Donbass offensive, which coupled with the multitude of HIMARS strikes on ammo depots might have crippled current Russian artillery capabilities.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also Russian logistics are so fucked that the ammo depots are tied to rail infrastructure, meaning it is stupid easy to find them

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No more shells lol
    Turns out just firing 6000 rounds a day in the general direction of the enemy without any solid gain wasn't a smart idea lmao

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    remember HIMARS'o'clock all night every night for like a month? yeah.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be Ivan
    >rouse yourself from a drunken stupor
    >the officer who bored out your asshole instead of training you is now telling you to go operate some kind of machinery
    >you arrive at the artillery battery which is all surplus afghan war D-30s
    >you don't know how to use this
    >there are no shells anyway
    >after hours of looking you find some several kilometers away on the back of a blown out Studebaker from WW2
    >the shells are completely corroded
    >haul them back to your gun that's still dripping with cosmoline
    >the first one fails to fire
    >the second lands short
    >the third never lands at all
    >you notice something overhead
    >it's a drone that already confirmed your position 10 minutes ago
    >the distant sound of incoming M777 fire can be heard just before you crawl into a hole and black out
    BLYAAAAAAAAAAAT

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Low on barrels

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    russian just love seeing their own people die

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