Because the last time it was tried en masse it was fucking retarded. >Be Russians >realise you can train dogs to run under tanks and set of mines >spend lots of money, time and effort training dogs to do this >finally, comrade, we shall stop the evil nazis advance >tanks coming forward >order the dogs to go and set off their mines >haha comrade watch as glorious ca- >dogs ran and set off the mines under Russian tanks because that's what they were trained on, not German ones
And that's why it ended.
iirc it had to do more with the smell difference between german and soviet fuel but other than that anon is correct, theres plenty of evidence of the suicide doggos
Honestly it sounds like one of the many bullshit stories from WW2 but I believe it
iirc it had to do more with the smell difference between german and soviet fuel but other than that anon is correct, theres plenty of evidence of the suicide doggos
O I don't doubt that the the soviets tried it, just the apocryphal sounding conclusion
There are a lot of rumors and uncertainty around this story. But as I remember it, they trained the dogs on tanks that stood still and did not shoot, to save resources. So during actual combat the dogs were scared of the tanks and either ran back to the soviet trenches (where the charges set off and killed their own soldiers), ran up to the tanks but waited for them to stop which allowed the Germans to shoot them or tan back to soviet positions but got shot by their handlers to avoid the first scenario.
Because raising and training them takes a lot of resources. For the amount of time, effort and money invested, you get substantially more if you just spend it on artillery shells.
Also doggos!
One day OP, we will see dogsplosions on the battlefield, as the last units of human infantry see their twilight at the jaws and clawed hands of a new soldier caste: the exploding dog. Like the tyranno-dogs from Elden Ring, except they hurl smaller dogs that fucking detonate after barking bees at you.
Sci-fi idea: a soldier caste based off pic related, about the size of a great dane but with arms and hands capable of wielding weapons. They could have a precursor species that's like the boomer from L4D or the bomber from Dying Light 2.
Difficult if they're retarded and blind. If a butt-poor Mexican family can train their dog to do a spinning jump when they do a specific whistle then a Russian military grunt specifically trained to train dogs can do the same.
>ITT people who have never actually tried to train dogs to perform complex tasks before.
I don't see why you think training dogs to seek and be able to discriminate enemy forces and then somehow detonate the bomb they're carrying when they're close enough isn't a specialized task.
Not to mention there's the issue of actually raising dogs and finding the right breed to carry out such a mission, which takes time and gets expensive, as well.
>ITT people who have never actually tried to train dogs to perform complex tasks before.
I professionally trained dogs for 10 ish years anon. a smart breed of dog can learn a new addition to an old task every day. the issue comes in from the fact that it's just makes no sense to work through a smart dog breed's puppyhood and train it to essentially kill itself when you could train it to do something with a better return on investment.
And even with the best raining, dogs are still dogs. They're still prone to just plain fucking up without close supervision. Why even take that risk when you can just get a remote control quadcopter from Alibaba and bolt a grenade arm to it.
Exactly, which is why we need drone dogs. Let a real dog pilot remotely and rip out throats until the unit is destroyed, at which point it will detonate.
>drone dog pilot
this sounds fucking awesome. removing a dog's brain, putting it in some kind of VR tank and giving it full autonomy over a drone version of itself with enhanced capabilities. stimulate the dog brain with happy chemicals every time it does something good
> specialized task
but what if we simply train them to run in a straight line for a couple of minutes and bite every human they encounter? That shouldn't be too hard. There are around 100k+ dogs in animal shelters, why not simply take them, train them to run in a straight line and then attach a remote controlled explosive to them. Just imagine the devastating effect a dog-wave attack consisting of thousands of dogs could have
Not all dogs and not all breeds are created equal. Many can be rather difficult to train and others aren't large or strong enough to even physically carry any sort of payload.
This is also assuming all shelter dogs are in peak health, which I assure you they are not.
Difficult if they're retarded and blind. If a butt-poor Mexican family can train their dog to do a spinning jump when they do a specific whistle then a Russian military grunt specifically trained to train dogs can do the same.
You'd have to produce a breed of dog that's naturally inclined to barrel toward a target without veering off-course. It would also have to have a prodigious reproductive rate and quick maturation to keep costs down.
Because you have to waste time training a dog for one time use. Easier to tell a child with a bag bomb those soldiers are handing out candy or use a cheap RC drone. Hell Al Queda experiment with turning a Sudan into an RC bomb with fake puppet driver that could turn its head
Police dogs need people next to them nearly at all times for them to work properly. Dogs are dependent on humans for any task beyond chasing prey and digging holes
Because its proned to lots of mistakes and can potentially put you or you allies in danger. Either because the dog found the wrong targets or ran back to their trainers with the explosives. Its inefficient along with people liking dogs and found ways to properly use them militarily. Dogs work best in sniffing out explosives or drugs.
I'd rather spend that time training a dog to maul prisoners for propaganda footage. they can also be reused indefinitely for this reason
People like dogs too much.
Because the last time it was tried en masse it was fucking retarded.
>Be Russians
>realise you can train dogs to run under tanks and set of mines
>spend lots of money, time and effort training dogs to do this
>finally, comrade, we shall stop the evil nazis advance
>tanks coming forward
>order the dogs to go and set off their mines
>haha comrade watch as glorious ca-
>dogs ran and set off the mines under Russian tanks because that's what they were trained on, not German ones
And that's why it ended.
Honestly it sounds like one of the many bullshit stories from WW2 but I believe it
iirc it had to do more with the smell difference between german and soviet fuel but other than that anon is correct, theres plenty of evidence of the suicide doggos
O I don't doubt that the the soviets tried it, just the apocryphal sounding conclusion
There are a lot of rumors and uncertainty around this story. But as I remember it, they trained the dogs on tanks that stood still and did not shoot, to save resources. So during actual combat the dogs were scared of the tanks and either ran back to the soviet trenches (where the charges set off and killed their own soldiers), ran up to the tanks but waited for them to stop which allowed the Germans to shoot them or tan back to soviet positions but got shot by their handlers to avoid the first scenario.
this is one of those things that was around even before the internet came into play. I remember reading about it in the early 90s.
*blocks your path*
Because raising and training them takes a lot of resources. For the amount of time, effort and money invested, you get substantially more if you just spend it on artillery shells.
Also doggos!
One day OP, we will see dogsplosions on the battlefield, as the last units of human infantry see their twilight at the jaws and clawed hands of a new soldier caste: the exploding dog. Like the tyranno-dogs from Elden Ring, except they hurl smaller dogs that fucking detonate after barking bees at you.
>except they hurl smaller dogs that fucking detonate after barking bees at you.
Sci-fi idea: a soldier caste based off pic related, about the size of a great dane but with arms and hands capable of wielding weapons. They could have a precursor species that's like the boomer from L4D or the bomber from Dying Light 2.
Because dogs are difficult and expensive to train. And wholly unnecessary in the age of commercially available drones.
dogs are shockingly easy to train anon. expensive when training them for extremely specialized tasks, yes, but it's not hard to train a dog
>ITT people who have never actually tried to train dogs to perform complex tasks before.
I don't see why you think training dogs to seek and be able to discriminate enemy forces and then somehow detonate the bomb they're carrying when they're close enough isn't a specialized task.
Not to mention there's the issue of actually raising dogs and finding the right breed to carry out such a mission, which takes time and gets expensive, as well.
>ITT people who have never actually tried to train dogs to perform complex tasks before.
I professionally trained dogs for 10 ish years anon. a smart breed of dog can learn a new addition to an old task every day. the issue comes in from the fact that it's just makes no sense to work through a smart dog breed's puppyhood and train it to essentially kill itself when you could train it to do something with a better return on investment.
And even with the best raining, dogs are still dogs. They're still prone to just plain fucking up without close supervision. Why even take that risk when you can just get a remote control quadcopter from Alibaba and bolt a grenade arm to it.
Exactly, which is why we need drone dogs. Let a real dog pilot remotely and rip out throats until the unit is destroyed, at which point it will detonate.
>drone dog pilot
this sounds fucking awesome. removing a dog's brain, putting it in some kind of VR tank and giving it full autonomy over a drone version of itself with enhanced capabilities. stimulate the dog brain with happy chemicals every time it does something good
This airbud sequel got real fucking dark real fast.
I'd rather kill you and so would most. Best keep your idea to yourself there moodhammed.
> specialized task
but what if we simply train them to run in a straight line for a couple of minutes and bite every human they encounter? That shouldn't be too hard. There are around 100k+ dogs in animal shelters, why not simply take them, train them to run in a straight line and then attach a remote controlled explosive to them. Just imagine the devastating effect a dog-wave attack consisting of thousands of dogs could have
Not all dogs and not all breeds are created equal. Many can be rather difficult to train and others aren't large or strong enough to even physically carry any sort of payload.
This is also assuming all shelter dogs are in peak health, which I assure you they are not.
Difficult if they're retarded and blind. If a butt-poor Mexican family can train their dog to do a spinning jump when they do a specific whistle then a Russian military grunt specifically trained to train dogs can do the same.
>Why [retarded idea that has been tried before] not widely used in war despite the military advantages?
what advantages.
dogs have plenty of advantages, none of them involve being used in kamikaze tactics.
Russians lost the technology. The best they can do now is send out dogs with a couple shovels taped to them.
because it’s a stupid idea
You'd have to produce a breed of dog that's naturally inclined to barrel toward a target without veering off-course. It would also have to have a prodigious reproductive rate and quick maturation to keep costs down.
please do not hurt dogs
Its a muslim thing because their head honcho was interrupted pedobearing a kid by a black puppy in their book of bullshit
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Huge morale sink for everyone involved I imagine (unless you're Chinese)
>Why aren't kamikaze canines widely used in war despite the military advantages?
Because men are mostly not scum in many cultures (not all)
Because a trained canine is worth more than a turd worlder
Because you have to waste time training a dog for one time use. Easier to tell a child with a bag bomb those soldiers are handing out candy or use a cheap RC drone. Hell Al Queda experiment with turning a Sudan into an RC bomb with fake puppet driver that could turn its head
Holy shit, they tried turning an entire country into an IED??
Police dogs need people next to them nearly at all times for them to work properly. Dogs are dependent on humans for any task beyond chasing prey and digging holes
they will also stand and bark at prey. but yes, right in principle
Because its proned to lots of mistakes and can potentially put you or you allies in danger. Either because the dog found the wrong targets or ran back to their trainers with the explosives. Its inefficient along with people liking dogs and found ways to properly use them militarily. Dogs work best in sniffing out explosives or drugs.
Do you have any idea how much dogs eat?
Long production times, expensive storage, require daily maintenance, bulky for an AT weapon