Why aren't cloth ammo cans a thing?

Fabrics like Cordura in a properly designed and structurally thick manner would save a whole lot of weight. An empty 100rnd 50 BMG can weights 5.3 lbs, and made of steel.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how is any of it supposed to hold up for years in storage? or being moved around.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It isn't (mostly). But it's much much lighter for soldiers to carry around. Once empty it could be stuffed inside the backpack (fabric can be compressed) and brought back to be filled again with another belt. I don't see it as a substitute but rather as a mission item

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think soldiers are carrying around ammo cans on missions

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. How do you carry 1500 rounds of 7.62 otherwise?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        go look at a modern mg belt container and tell me what's it made of

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        LMG nutsacks have existed for awhile now and are exactly what you describe OP

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Alright... but every pic I see is these sacks holding cardboard boxes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Guy I met years ago who was in the RLI late in the war told me he remembered seeing people carrying spare belts of 7.62 in pattern 70 shoulder bags so they could throw them to the guy carrying the FN MAG.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >But it's much much lighter for soldiers to carry around.
        you don't carry ammo cans into combat you numpty (unless you are a vehicle crew).
        you carry them, hopefully, short distances to where it will be stored until withdrawn and put into magazines or moved to something motorized.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of ammo comes wrapped in paper, so I don't know what you're talking about. Outside of that, it just protects it better. If I have to stack it, or have a bunch of idiots moving it, I'd rather have it protected.

      >t. nogunz moron that's never had to use them for storage or stacked them

      No.
      The ammo weights ~26.5 lbs, ~32 lbs in total. You're saving 5 lbs, ~15%.

      Do you morons not realize you could do both? As it stands, lots of ammo is wrapped in either small cardboard boxes, or small paper wrappers. You could easily retain the outer steel container for storage and long term durability and remove the cordura baggie for usage if it's not being directly loaded into magazines.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Black person, are you actually moronic? The first 8 words echoed that a lot of ammo is wrapped in paper. Do you fricks even read the shit you reply to?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And, dipshit? Highlighting the fact two materials are currently used isn't the gotcha you think it is, it shows OP's idea isn't as moronic as some of you are making it sound.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's adding extra weight to every ammo can for something that's only used some of the time, the benefits do not outweigh the costs so to speak

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you morons not realize you could do both?
        At which point you're increasing the weight instead of reducing it.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >15% lighter
    >not cheap or rigid
    ngmi

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Steel is 0.28 lb/in3 while cordura (nylon) is 0.04 lb/in3. Massive savings.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        The ammo weights ~26.5 lbs, ~32 lbs in total. You're saving 5 lbs, ~15%.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're right. That 15% could be added to maybe lighter ammo?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of ammo comes wrapped in paper, so I don't know what you're talking about. Outside of that, it just protects it better. If I have to stack it, or have a bunch of idiots moving it, I'd rather have it protected.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >t. nogunz moron that's never had to use them for storage or stacked them

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They reuse the ammo cans

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They don't stack well
    They don't protect against impact.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Nevah been done befo'

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Okay but it still has to hold it in a cardboard box

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >make entirely cloth ammo container with no rigid component
        >fabric snags on belt link or tip of cartridge and starts getting eaten by MG

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is a good point though. I think it could be solvable like they did with the EPM for the M855A1... the feed part of the fabric "can" is designed in a way that prevents this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Goddamn you’re dumb. if I were you, I’ve already deleted the thread out of shame. But keep it up, It’s funny laughing at you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Seethe harder Black person

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >make entirely cloth ammo container with no rigid component
        >fabric snags on belt link or tip of cartridge and starts getting eaten by MG

        >Nevah been done befo' auf Deutsch

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now imagine the bag getting wet. The items inside are now wet, and the bags are now twice as heavy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except fabrics don't hold water, they just get wet (as everything else, like the soldier's uniform)

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because you can make a hard plastic ammo can and have all the benefits of bing made out of nylon but not of the downsides if being made out of fabric like it being fricking soft and porous

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Plastic's too brittle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's still used in the SAW? Although I I believe they are classed as disposable.
        https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/used-army-m249-200-round-saw-ammo-box/

        The little cloth covers they came in were pretty good for stashing tools and binos.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    More durable and easier to stack. Tough fabrics would be good for infantry but for vehicles and general storage it's better to stick to the cans.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    POP QUIZ
    How many rounds of ammo are on this Pallet? Assume every can is filled and no gaps inside the stacks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      43,200 according to the filename.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dang, forgot about the file name.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      48k

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is this technology? It looks like the tin could be opened without a can opener. And is the piece of wood under them enchanted? How can it hold so many tins?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's Yankee Space Magic, I tell you.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >carry ammo w/ strap
    >use all ammo
    >no longer need can
    >throw it away
    wow

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