>Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival? >nearly starving to death every year is optimal physique
impossibly false
>Same with big breasts and ass for women
No there is universal hip to waist ratio preference across all cultures and too much fat distorts it. Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle, it can somewhat be a culturally programmed attraction though it seems.
>nearly starving to death every year is optimal physique >Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle
Disregard this poster, he smokes wiener and is an absolute know-nothing moron
>but there were no bodybuilding type bodies because nature doesn't care about your aesthetic phisique
This, even when when evolution will fince balance between sexual and ecological selection. >pic related
Chad dwarf.
Pic related. Eh, theres a scientific term for this but animals get really attracted to exaggerated festures of the opposite sex. Theres this beetle in Australia that tried to mate with bottles of VB beer because the color and texture were peak female. Almost went extinct.
Anime posters suffer from the same, you cant go back
No man theres a scientific term for it. Animals are attracted to ceetain sexual indicators and go crazy when its exaggerated. Like big boobs with men, you think gynormous is a disability but it still attracts. No limits.
Evolution does not exist. IT IS NOT REAL... Especially when applied to humans.
1.) There has never, EVER been a documented case in which one species completely transformed into something else. It has never happened and it never will happen.
2.) Why did humans evolve so quickly? By all accounts, we should still be hairy primates with single digit IQs right now.
supernormal stimulus, and yeah that's probably a big reason some people like it
I would point out though, more often than not women don't like someone built like the Hulk, they want a strong man but not rippling muscles
>women dont like hulk men
They say they dont until they see then and then they melt. Asking them as a theoretical question addresses the wrong brain region.
Boobs are just fatty tissue.
Fat weighs almost nothing compared to it's size, women b***hing about lower back pain are just couch potatoes who just need to do basic exercise.
>. It's preservation of genes, not of beings. >If you have a nice day after you already passed your genes forward, there is nothing inherently paradoxical about it. >Human males, for all we know, could've evolved under selective pressures on that normal type of Fisherian "promiscuous male, choosy female" template. >You becoming suicidal could have all kinds of sources, both instinctive (a
but they are NOT "just" fatty tissue... there are mammary glands in female breasts
Who are you quoting? >but they are NOT "just" fatty tissue... there are mammary glands in female breasts
Sure, but that doesn't disprove that post that breast size is determined by fat.
>Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?
same reason peawieners have huge tails and Irish elk went extinct. females.
When I worked on a ranch I naturally developed some nice arm muscles from just the work. When you do work outside you often naturally just develop them, so it's not a surprise to me that women would find that body type attractive. Most men in ancient times who went around hunting probably had really nice physiques.
>Most men in ancient times who went around hunting probably had really nice physiques.
Wow you're dumb. Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion. They were probably very lean and by today's bloated standards considered "skinny" but they could physically out compete any modern human outside of marathon athletes and Tour de France cyclists. >it's not a surprise to me that women would find that body type attractive
It should be a bigger surprise to you that they don't
>They say they dont until they see then and then they melt.
Are you sure it's not you that is the one that melts sweetie and that you're not just projecting your sexual tastes onto women.
>funny or original
No I don't but you're the one asking and it's the current year so there is nothing wrong with having an attraction to the opposite sex. If you weren't acting so defensive you'd realize that there is in fact a huge subset of the homosexual community that is into gym culture and muscles. >How boring can you be
I'm not here to entertain you dipshit
Im not a gay, i made an explicit reference to women being attracted to muscular men and you decided to make a haha joke so funny about homosexuality. Just to derail the thread.
The whole point of this thread was some pathetic twig arguing its the people who go to the gym that are looked down upon. Hell have to except femboys will never be relevant outside the homo's licking their lips while he walks down the street.
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>its the people who go to the gym that are looked down upon
No. Looking down on the people who look down on the people who don't go to the gym. >femboys >Using homosexual slang >homo's licking their lips while he walks down the street
That is a very...descriptive image
>Wow you're dumb. Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion. They were probably very lean and by today's bloated standards considered "skinny" but they could physically out compete any modern human outside of marathon athletes and Tour de France cyclists.
so you're telling me that humans who worked outside and hunted a lot were basically just skinny twigs with no hint of muscles at all? i find that kind of hard to believe.
>just skinny twigs with no hint of muscles at all
Why does this scare you so much? The lighter the body, the less demand is placed overall on the body. They had some muscle but it was very lean. They had to have enough muscle to allow them to walk for days at a time but not too much as that would slow them down and any excess muscle was consumed by the body for fuel anyway where you are living in a situation where every calorie counts. You might call this a "skinny twig" because of culture and toxic masculinity molding a different body shape as most attractive but it was extremely efficient and powerful for survival.
>I guess arguing your puny bod is optimal is easier than going to the gym.
Nah I'm smart enough not to buy into toxic masculinity and instead would rather see it destroyed
Wow it seems as though you are really struggling to understand my posts. >reference to women being attracted to muscular men
And I corrected you by saying it's actually mostly gay men who are into muscular guys. Put 2 and 2 together and well... >Just to derail the thread.
Oh I'm the one derailing the thread now? When you were the one making a PrepHole shitpost "hurr durr women like muscle" and continue to have a hissy fit about what you perceived to be a joke threatening your manhood instead of constructively and unemotionally acknowledging that women don't like muscles.
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Anonymous
My friends this is what onions does to your brain.
3 years ago
Anonymous
Onions
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I didnt throw a fit, and women do like muscular men. Thats just a fact. You should have left it at that instead of starting with the homosexual shit.
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Don't worry about that little queer. He cannot lift so instead he has to put others down
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Im not a queer
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>Thats just a fact.
source: dude trust me
Come on man, I've had several girlfriends, I am not muscular and not one of them asked me to put on muscle. I'm getting closer to a girl right now and when I said my voice wasn't very masculine she said she likes it better than really masculine voices, and she's not even bisexual. Women do not have a general preference for super manly men, we lie to ourselves that they do because we want to be more manly for ourselves and to impress others.
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Fatties don't count.
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first off they were not all fat, secondly that's arbitrary and irrelevant, and thirdly you're still providing NO FRICKING EVIDENCE HOLY SHIT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS
strong muscles are not necessarily big, and when they are big they're not necessarily visible
bodybuilders have to do a lot of shit to show off their muscles while being the same strength or even weaker than power lifters
that's not even getting into strength versus endurance
Ita a malnourished african. Thats not optimal for anything what the frick are you talking about. If people werr living in loose knit hunting tribes stone age style the big man would still dominate his peers. Its seen i literally almost every social animal.
despite strength being mostly tendon the psychological effect of perceived strength is more powerful than actual strength.
body builders are weaker than power lifters.
This isn't the optimal physique for survival. It's the optimal physique for hunting in a dry savana with little vegetation and a constant climate, where the main threat to survival is starvation.
Throughout most of human (pre)history, the main threat to survival has been other humans. Being fit and muscular greatly increases your chances of winning in a fight no matter what weapons are used.
Humans who evolved in a colder climate (Caucasians) also had a good reason to put on muscle: winter. There's little to no food in winter and if you don't have good storage or preservation methods, then the next best thing is to store energy on yourself. There's two ways to do that: fat and muscle. Muscle is better for obvious reasons.
TLDR Not all humans are Africans steppe hunters
Because muscles are attractive to other men.
homosexual, frick off.
Well, the environment is not the same everywhere.
Competition with other tribes is also a thing, perhaps you want more muscles to defend yourself.
It signals good access to food. Same with big breasts and ass for women.
>Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?
>nearly starving to death every year is optimal physique
impossibly false
>Same with big breasts and ass for women
No there is universal hip to waist ratio preference across all cultures and too much fat distorts it. Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle, it can somewhat be a culturally programmed attraction though it seems.
They aren't nearly starving to death every year.
>nearly starving to death every year is optimal physique
>Fat is not a fitness signal like muscle
Disregard this poster, he smokes wiener and is an absolute know-nothing moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynoid_fat_distribution
>optimal survival physique
>needs several space programs of Aid to survive to adulthood.
Nah
>optimal physique for survival
>trardigrade
>not optimal physique
That body is perfect.
>but there were no bodybuilding type bodies because nature doesn't care about your aesthetic phisique
This, even when when evolution will fince balance between sexual and ecological selection.
>pic related
Chad dwarf.
*will find
he is 185 cm ~6ft 1...
Just chad then.
Get the stonetoss comic
i think we're more attracted to bones
Because young men in the 80's and 90's grew up seeing caricatured masculinity in the form of Schwarzenegger and Stallone action films
This is not the optimal physique for survival
Pic related. Eh, theres a scientific term for this but animals get really attracted to exaggerated festures of the opposite sex. Theres this beetle in Australia that tried to mate with bottles of VB beer because the color and texture were peak female. Almost went extinct.
Anime posters suffer from the same, you cant go back
>theres a scientific term for this
Conspicuous consumption
Which is also why bald = bad
No man theres a scientific term for it. Animals are attracted to ceetain sexual indicators and go crazy when its exaggerated. Like big boobs with men, you think gynormous is a disability but it still attracts. No limits.
Evolution does not exist. IT IS NOT REAL... Especially when applied to humans.
1.) There has never, EVER been a documented case in which one species completely transformed into something else. It has never happened and it never will happen.
2.) Why did humans evolve so quickly? By all accounts, we should still be hairy primates with single digit IQs right now.
Your mother is a horse. Explain that.
How do you rectify this with the reality of genetic engineering?
I wonder why there's no clear documented case of a phenomena that takes millions of years when the scientific method has existed for less than 200
10/10 troll
take a (you), ya little scamp
moron
>inb4, how did life originate
There are transitional forms between cells and viruses
fisherian runaway is the phrase you're looking for.
supernormal stimulus, and yeah that's probably a big reason some people like it
I would point out though, more often than not women don't like someone built like the Hulk, they want a strong man but not rippling muscles
>women dont like hulk men
They say they dont until they see then and then they melt. Asking them as a theoretical question addresses the wrong brain region.
Then it cannot possibly be evolution. Being a "hulk" significantly lowers your life expectancy for obvious reasons.
Ah Yes Arnie was well known for not getting any pussy. Jason mamoa and the rock too
Those are some actual chesticles, wtf
They need to be able to support their own weight.
Quality over quantity.
Boobies better though
Boobs are just fatty tissue.
Fat weighs almost nothing compared to it's size, women b***hing about lower back pain are just couch potatoes who just need to do basic exercise.
I have seem a fair share of landwhales with giant bellies and matching boobs complain about the strain of their boobs.
>. It's preservation of genes, not of beings.
>If you have a nice day after you already passed your genes forward, there is nothing inherently paradoxical about it.
>Human males, for all we know, could've evolved under selective pressures on that normal type of Fisherian "promiscuous male, choosy female" template.
>You becoming suicidal could have all kinds of sources, both instinctive (a
but they are NOT "just" fatty tissue... there are mammary glands in female breasts
Who are you quoting?
>but they are NOT "just" fatty tissue... there are mammary glands in female breasts
Sure, but that doesn't disprove that post that breast size is determined by fat.
this is a peak woman
lanklet cope. the optimal physique necessitates python arms
>Why are we so obsessed with muscles if this is the optimal physique for survival?
same reason peawieners have huge tails and Irish elk went extinct. females.
love from kazakhstan
>lazy "tribesmen" who live off government handouts and occasionally pretend to hunt whenever a camera crew is around
>needing muscle
pick one
When I worked on a ranch I naturally developed some nice arm muscles from just the work. When you do work outside you often naturally just develop them, so it's not a surprise to me that women would find that body type attractive. Most men in ancient times who went around hunting probably had really nice physiques.
>Most men in ancient times who went around hunting probably had really nice physiques.
Wow you're dumb. Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion. They were probably very lean and by today's bloated standards considered "skinny" but they could physically out compete any modern human outside of marathon athletes and Tour de France cyclists.
>it's not a surprise to me that women would find that body type attractive
It should be a bigger surprise to you that they don't
>They say they dont until they see then and then they melt.
Are you sure it's not you that is the one that melts sweetie and that you're not just projecting your sexual tastes onto women.
Do you think your cheap banter about homosexuality is funny or original? How boring can you be
>funny or original
No I don't but you're the one asking and it's the current year so there is nothing wrong with having an attraction to the opposite sex. If you weren't acting so defensive you'd realize that there is in fact a huge subset of the homosexual community that is into gym culture and muscles.
>How boring can you be
I'm not here to entertain you dipshit
Im not a gay, i made an explicit reference to women being attracted to muscular men and you decided to make a haha joke so funny about homosexuality. Just to derail the thread.
The whole point of this thread was some pathetic twig arguing its the people who go to the gym that are looked down upon. Hell have to except femboys will never be relevant outside the homo's licking their lips while he walks down the street.
>its the people who go to the gym that are looked down upon
No. Looking down on the people who look down on the people who don't go to the gym.
>femboys
>Using homosexual slang
>homo's licking their lips while he walks down the street
That is a very...descriptive image
>Wow you're dumb. Humans are endurance hunters. We evolved to follow prey until exhaustion. They were probably very lean and by today's bloated standards considered "skinny" but they could physically out compete any modern human outside of marathon athletes and Tour de France cyclists.
so you're telling me that humans who worked outside and hunted a lot were basically just skinny twigs with no hint of muscles at all? i find that kind of hard to believe.
>just skinny twigs with no hint of muscles at all
Why does this scare you so much? The lighter the body, the less demand is placed overall on the body. They had some muscle but it was very lean. They had to have enough muscle to allow them to walk for days at a time but not too much as that would slow them down and any excess muscle was consumed by the body for fuel anyway where you are living in a situation where every calorie counts. You might call this a "skinny twig" because of culture and toxic masculinity molding a different body shape as most attractive but it was extremely efficient and powerful for survival.
I guess arguing your puny bod is optimal is easier than going to the gym.
>I guess arguing your puny bod is optimal is easier than going to the gym.
Nah I'm smart enough not to buy into toxic masculinity and instead would rather see it destroyed
Wow it seems as though you are really struggling to understand my posts.
>reference to women being attracted to muscular men
And I corrected you by saying it's actually mostly gay men who are into muscular guys. Put 2 and 2 together and well...
>Just to derail the thread.
Oh I'm the one derailing the thread now? When you were the one making a PrepHole shitpost "hurr durr women like muscle" and continue to have a hissy fit about what you perceived to be a joke threatening your manhood instead of constructively and unemotionally acknowledging that women don't like muscles.
My friends this is what onions does to your brain.
Onions
I didnt throw a fit, and women do like muscular men. Thats just a fact. You should have left it at that instead of starting with the homosexual shit.
Don't worry about that little queer. He cannot lift so instead he has to put others down
Im not a queer
>Thats just a fact.
source: dude trust me
Come on man, I've had several girlfriends, I am not muscular and not one of them asked me to put on muscle. I'm getting closer to a girl right now and when I said my voice wasn't very masculine she said she likes it better than really masculine voices, and she's not even bisexual. Women do not have a general preference for super manly men, we lie to ourselves that they do because we want to be more manly for ourselves and to impress others.
Fatties don't count.
first off they were not all fat, secondly that's arbitrary and irrelevant, and thirdly you're still providing NO FRICKING EVIDENCE HOLY SHIT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS
neurotic homies be like
Yes, the optimal human male in nature is about 5'6" and weighs 120 pounds.
strong muscles are not necessarily big, and when they are big they're not necessarily visible
bodybuilders have to do a lot of shit to show off their muscles while being the same strength or even weaker than power lifters
that's not even getting into strength versus endurance
are we?
Ita a malnourished african. Thats not optimal for anything what the frick are you talking about. If people werr living in loose knit hunting tribes stone age style the big man would still dominate his peers. Its seen i literally almost every social animal.
Wrong
The optimal physique for humans in the modern and future environment is the amazon female small male master race.
Thats based as frick but that little manlet butter have the true fantasy dwarf bod.
I loved that movie
despite strength being mostly tendon the psychological effect of perceived strength is more powerful than actual strength.
body builders are weaker than power lifters.
Agriculture, even with use of draught animals favors more muscle mass
This isn't the optimal physique for survival. It's the optimal physique for hunting in a dry savana with little vegetation and a constant climate, where the main threat to survival is starvation.
Throughout most of human (pre)history, the main threat to survival has been other humans. Being fit and muscular greatly increases your chances of winning in a fight no matter what weapons are used.
Humans who evolved in a colder climate (Caucasians) also had a good reason to put on muscle: winter. There's little to no food in winter and if you don't have good storage or preservation methods, then the next best thing is to store energy on yourself. There's two ways to do that: fat and muscle. Muscle is better for obvious reasons.
TLDR Not all humans are Africans steppe hunters
>optimal physique
kek those Black folk barely survive