why are they so irrelevant in the region? even Singaporeans have a better military

why are they so irrelevant in the region? even Singaporeans have a better military

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, Indonesia has been increasing the size of their navy, purchasing more Leopard tanks, new artillery systems and various other things.
    They are also the partner in the KF21, and developing modernized IFVs.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They aren't a partner to the KF-X program as they have literally contributed nothing, they haven't even paid the money that they promised to.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        if there's no more news then you can pretty much assume that it went nowhere because of a lack of funds (and it did)
        we've only paid like half of our shares for the development of kf-21, and sk threatened to kick us out if we're not going to pay it soon

        So Korea decided not to accept payment in palm oil?
        https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/1019528.html

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        So they're a shit partner. SK still putting their flag next to SK's flag still. Probably to let the Indos save face

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    England instilled a better work ethic in its former colonies then the Dutch did

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Indonesia has become completely cucked, and so is Malaysia.

    I literally want to see civil war in those countries because that's the only way they'll become useful. How can someone be so pathetic that they won't even stand up to an isolated weakling like Myanmar that genocides the Rohingya for decades?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Because Indonesia was busy genociding PNG

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN INNOCENT TERRORIST RObroS!!!!!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >How can someone be so pathetic that they won't even stand up to an isolated weakling like Myanmar that genocides the Rohingya for decades?

      Let's be honest here, no one in the Muslim world gives a shit about the Rohingya and never have. Saudi princes will raise an army of Mujahideen to oppose the Soviets in Afghanistan, but won't so much as speak ill of Burma's government.

      The only people who seem to care at all are Americans and even then, the genocide of the Rohingya is considered so low of a priority that military intervention to put a stop to it isn't even considered.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Saudi princes only care for their fellow sandmorons. Them giving a shit with Afghanistan was a massive stretch given they treat all non-ME mudslimes as "converted" subhumans.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Junglemonkey "muslims" aren't considered real humans let alone fellow muslims for the Saudis to give a shit.
        No Indon mullah gets listened to in Saudi
        >its like southern US whites converted their cottonpickers to 'gospel music' but they still didnt let them into church or even count them as humans
        Saudis hire muslim banglas and indons as house-slaves because they know the halal rules as the good little trained monkeys, not like brown christos who might accidentally contaminate their kitchen with their pork stained fingers

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Buckbroken by LAD Papuans

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Indonesia is an Islamic theocracy this unlikely to progess any further in its development than other Islamic theocracies such as Iran

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They have elections though so they can't be a theocracy.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Check their regions. They have a very loose federal system in some areas so depending on where you are living in Indonesia, the term democracy may not apply.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    we've only recently begun reforming our crumbling military for the first time since the suharto's era
    corruption, weak economy, and low quality human resources are constant problems in this country
    low average iq too obviously, not enough to manage a country that big

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I read a while back that you guys are considering buying a few 30FFMs from Japan, any more recent news on that? I’ve been watching Mitsubishi build them in Nagasaki and they’re cranking them out pretty quick

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        if there's no more news then you can pretty much assume that it went nowhere because of a lack of funds (and it did)
        we've only paid like half of our shares for the development of kf-21, and sk threatened to kick us out if we're not going to pay it soon

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    To have a better military you must be rich first.

    Singapore is filthy rich hence they can afford bleeding edge tech. City states are the very definition of easy mode.

    Indonesia and the other SEA countries are real countries with real problems. They're not perfect but they're trying. The only loser in the region is the Philippines who has a way more pathetic fourth world tier military despite being an average third world economy.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      And the funniest part is the Philippines are likely the one to be annihilated/conquered by China first.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Seriously, why the fuck the Flips voted in Bing Bong? The Marcos are nothing but a parasite to their country.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because they've been mentally cucked since Spanish colonization. Filipinos won't learn until there's a 8-digit US dollar hole in their federal budget and Bingbang has moved to China

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The only loser in the region is the Philippines who has a way more pathetic fourth world tier military despite being an average third world economy.

      Tends to happen when you have an MDT with America, so the military & government gets lazy and/or corrupt and stays as an COIN Police force fit only to deal with local problems.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Tends to happen when you have an MDT with America
        Japan
        Taiwan
        South Korea
        Australia
        Thailand

        Even if Germoney is dawdling they're a major military equipment exporter

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Barring South Korea & Thailand, none of those were a feudal landlord dominated ex-Hispanic clusterfuck.

          >Taiwan.
          Eh, they're basically like the Philippines right now. Utterly reliant on the US for its defense. They wouldn't last long to the modern PLA. Shit the veteran KMT nearly didn't.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Barring South Korea & Thailand, none of those were a feudal landlord dominated ex-Hispanic clusterfuck.

        >Taiwan.
        Eh, they're basically like the Philippines right now. Utterly reliant on the US for its defense. They wouldn't last long to the modern PLA. Shit the veteran KMT nearly didn't.

        It should also be noted that the Philippines disproportionately hemorrhages the top 10%+ of their country's talented individuals to West and elsewhere.

        For decades it's been in the top 4 percent of feeder countries of immigrants to the US while having a fraction of the population of China / India and not sharing a porous land border with the USA like Mexico has.

        If your country is 100+ million people who are mostly one generation removed from being dirt farmers, each talented person who goes to America or Hong Kong or Dubai means, at best, their village stays in the dark ages for another decade - at worst the fellow village people flee the country or decamp for metro Manila.

        End result: the country's real elites are abroad and the "elites" who stay to run things are B-team players.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Indonesia is a collection of heterogeneous cultures under a very tenuous Javanese empire. Most of their energies need to be directed inwards to avoid imploding.

    Also they're poor.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Every time I look at Indonesia on a map I wonder how in the fuck it happened
      >who are you?
      >I’m Indonesian
      >what about that guy on the island over there
      >he is also Indonesian
      >x100

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Most islands are undeveloped jungle swamps, only good for slash&burn deforestation and raping orangutans.
        Java as the main island is so overpopulated in Jakarta that it is sinking into its own mud and shit Venice-style but without the historic arcitecture.
        Plan B is the usual 3rd world dictator dream of building a whole new 'Great Capital' city on Borneo, but that means designing and planning everything from scratch so even if they could afford it, it will be 4-5 architectural monstrosities, presidential palaces, etc surrounded by a mile of shitfilled shanty shacks and indian-tier designated sewer streets
        >the only defence advantage Jakarta has, apart from nobody wnting to go there, is that it was safe on an isolated island. By being on Borneo Junkarta2 is on the same large island that the Malaysian Army can base legally and safely in Sarawak and invade if they ever need to.
        Basically the Indonesian archipelago is Australia's barrier minefield between it and Asia and China, except its like a front lawn covered in piles of dogshit nobody wants to step in rather than explosive mines

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Be Dutch
        >Have Indonesian colony
        >Life is great
        >Get invaded and occupied by nazi germany
        >Being subjugated and oppressed sucks
        >Eventually get freed again
        >Time to get your shit back together
        >Get shit back together by re-invading, subjugating and oppressing Indonesians
        >International community tells you to stop
        >Can't use the threat of communism excuse cause Eisenhower isn't in power yet, concede.
        >Be Javanese
        >Fredom attained
        >Time to get your shit back together
        >Get shit back together by invading, subjugating and oppressing fellow Indonesians up to the point you stretch to ye olde colonial borders
        >Life is great
        It was a very hypocritical affair

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          BPC time soon

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They pose a lot, but their underlying economy is so shit, they can't afford to use any of the fancy toys they buy, or even the stuff the Australians give them for 'charity'.
    >bought Migs from Russia - couldnt even afford a single op load of missiles so for airshows only
    >are part of KF21 project but tried to pay their % in palm oil, then had a bad harvest so cant export any surplus palm oil
    >the Nomads that were death traps that Oz aviation dumped were given to them as 'aid' - they are rusting in the weeds - perhaps best use for them but they still took them anyway
    >but so are the C130As then C130Es from RAAF that were perfectly serviceable - but now are hulks with no spares and no maintenance
    TNI is that poor that units run factories and logging camps as 'unit funds' corporations using the soldiers as free labor, and officers base their postings on which units turn the best profits to supplement their shit wages
    >get btfo by naked black jungle morons in West Papua with bamboo bows - well, until they all have nice new Indon rifles ofc

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What's funny is they keep buying fancy toys for the army to try and one up all their neighbors but they forget that their fancy toys mean fuckall in the godforsaken jungles.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Indon TNI stronk
        Buy fancy Tonks to match Malays or Singas or Straya
        Sitting them all on one mud island and cant even take them to the next mud island.
        Display toys.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Series of retarded governments.
    Poor itnternal cohesion due to Africa-tier or Yugoslavia-tier artificial borders based on old colonial borders.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it a good thing to not constantly be involved in military conflicts?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      TNI has been in a permanent military conflict in West Papua since the 1950s-60s.
      And permanently losing to literally stone-age jungle villagers with spears and bow&arrows.
      See "Konfrontasi" to see they got fucked over the only time they tried to fuck with a white army - the Brit SAS in Borneo

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