Why are they so hated? Ukraine has shown that other than trench warfare, soldiers are engaging past 500m.

Why are they so hated? Ukraine has shown that other than trench warfare, soldiers are engaging past 500m.
NATO this NATO that. Shut yo fricking ass up Americas is why NATO is even relevant. Cant fricking wait for the USAxit if NATO.
Shouldering a 15lb rifle for a minute should be the minimum phsyical standard planetery wide

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine has shown that other than trench warfare, soldiers are engaging past 500m.
    No, not with any regularity.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't hate the m250. Give it a quick detach barrel and I would really like it.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought they were only hated because people have an irrational hatred for sig on this board?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >irrational

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are they so hated? Ukraine has shown that other than trench warfare, soldiers are engaging past 500m.
      no it hasn't.

      >NATO this NATO that. Shut yo fricking ass up Americas is why NATO is even relevant. Cant fricking wait for the USAxit if NATO.
      schizophrenic yapping

      >Shouldering a 15lb rifle for a minute should be the minimum phsyical standard planetery wide
      6lbs of extra ammo is more useful than 6lbs of extra rifle

      there's nothing irrational about it. Sig makes subpar, ugly guns. The MCX's two entirely different charging handles should infuriate anyone with sense.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of course, the war tourist is a fricking moron. Anything ameri-Sig offered, a basic b***h AR-10 and 7.62 NATO would've sufficed, and apparently the AP without tungsten is sounding like bullshit now. The NGSW trials was a waste of time, Textron needed more time in the oven and True Velocity was moronic to go with a bullpup.

      It is completely rational. They're not even the same fricking company from long ago.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Last good product to come from Sig was the P226 of which nu-Sig did not develop.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're hated because the LSAT program spent over a decade proving that lightweight carbines and rounds were possible, only to get kneecapped at the last second by "muh overmatch". Now soldiers will have to carry heavy battle rifles with even heavier rounds, which means they can carry less useful stuff like guided HE rounds.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you can actually shoot the True Velocity counterparts to both these firearms without falling over

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The m14 is the perfect metaphor for it. It was a rifle developed to have the same ergos and rifle design as the predecessor with a slightly smaller full sized round. 20 round magazines, low ammunition count and "every rifle man is a sniper™" Doomed to fail because it costs 12k with optic per soldier and for that cost you could have 24 fpv drones. not to mention the meme armor piercing ammo is $24 a round.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not to mention the meme armor piercing ammo is $24 a round.
      Russia and China won't even go to war with armor. the whole thing is a farce

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Colt received a new contract for more M4A1's last week. It seems that someone in DoD has some sense left.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its for replacing or backfill the stock we have been gifting ukraine.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they should just wait for a PSA sale, clear out their whole stock, and stamp out some drop-in sears for them

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              PSA wont sell to governments

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We're calling about your order of 3 million PSA Marauders. Is your name really Ted Departmentofdefense?
                >"Yes. It's German."

              • 4 weeks ago
                rofl

                bump

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because they don't actually want their guns to have proper QC and become genuine duty graded milspec, legally reliable firearms like COLT's.

                See [...]

                I told you copers. A current $1000 COLT rifle sold to civilians is the same shit our government gets. All $3000 ar buyers with their undertorqued, pipebomb barrels and 500 round bcgs will be on heavy copium from now on. Apologize to me and thank the 13629 cage code

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >bcgs
                Chrome bcg's are still superior.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/1Vmsg7k.jpeg

                Either fix your screen or replace your fricking phone.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wasting money on cellphones

                Shiggy. If it can still call, text, watch porn, and browse PrepHole it's good enuff.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                What video is that from

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/1Vmsg7k.jpeg

                What video is that from

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m glad I picked up a Colt LE6920 when I did.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Colt's nice, my DD is nicer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/1Vmsg7k.jpeg

                Buncha boomer horseshit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/1Vmsg7k.jpeg

                >Anon doesn't know what the snipping tool is

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          is Colt still getting government contracts? or are you talking about FN?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See

            [...]

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the meme armor piercing ammo is $24 a round
      source?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we were fricking robbed.

    LSAT shouldve been in a 6.8mm intermediate cartridge, and it shouldve had polymer.

    I hate corrupt siggers so much

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The LSAT gun dropped from the trial long before the finale.
      It didn't work.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone thinking we(USA) are going to entertain trench warfare is moronic lmao

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine has shown that other than trench warfare, soldiers are engaging past 500m.
    What?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he is a moronic noguns yuro war tourist, he doesn't know shit, don't get to upset about it

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bartocci is an obnoxious homosexual. How anyone can listen to even a few minutes of this wheezing dipshit complain about the most frivolous topics is beyond me

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Consider the alternatives.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i wonder why army didnt just opt to make a hybrid case 7.62x51

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because ARbabies scream, piss, and moan when you tell them their gun isn't perfect. See how they recoil when you tell them the T charging handle sucks and having one out along the handguard would be way more ergonomic. Or how they twist themselves in knots at bullpups, how dare an alternative to their perfection exist? I fricking promise you had Austria or Australia adopted the sig shitstick instead we'd hear endlessly about how "this is the AUG killer" and "bullpups irrevocably BTFOd". It has nothing to do with muh corruption (because I promise you the majority of people complaining about the spear consider the f35 to be the best plane in service) and has everything to do with being an affront to their gun which they've staked their personality on

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why is delta running with the spear lt which is just a mashup of the ar-15 and 18?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they chose so, I don’t see how one group using a gun is proof that its perfect. I fricking bet you had they picked something like a VHS-2 or a SCAR half of /k/ would twist itself in knots over how they made such a bad decision and how they know better than them while the other half would beeline to the nearest store to buy one and proclaim how much better they are than everyone else

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The F35 is the best plane in service and is also one of the lowest cost new western aircraft. Something like 160 are being built this year.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, that would be the F22. 35 is fine but it's hardly the most dangerous bird aloft. Also by that logic hipoints is better than Dan wessons because more are made annually and they cost less

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Solid b8

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nothing beats the F-22 as a dogfighter, but an F-35 would beat it in BVR.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how stealth works.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the t handle
      my fricking god do i hate that piece of shit. You will never realize how fricktarded it is till you are forced to use it multiple times under pressure. The M320 sim for EST disables the bolt hold open and my god does it make shooting qual a pain in the ass.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    should have gone with the TV bid you dumb homosexuals. Never trust ~~*SIG*~~

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Sig app is convincing enough evidence that Sig is technologically literate enough to employ paid shills on /k/. Unfortunately for them they cheaped out, as usual, and have decided to hire below minimum wage Indian shill farms to do the work.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Sig hate
    Deservedly so
    >Theory behind it
    Penetration and range are good but come at the cost of weight and reduction in the amount of ammo the average soldier can carry the latter of which has a lot of data to support its importance over said range and penetration. It’s a valid concern that reeks of out of touch boomer generals and Vietnam vet politicians sitting together in a room and living up to the meme. Honestly I feel like this indicates the US is planning to regear away from pajama wearing insurgents towards a conventional first world enemy capable of fielding body armor but maybe that’s just wishful cope that there is a plan. My time in the army leads me to believe otherwise.
    >The real reason though
    A lot of the posters here are balls deep in ARs and now the new shiny 4k+ government issue makes their collection look dated to the layman.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >regear away from pajama wearing insurgents towards a conventional first world enemy capable of fielding body armor
      Boy have I got news for you about .277's armor pen capabilities

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With ammo that we currently know about, sure? It'd be trivial for someone to go, "Hey, stick a penetrator in it."

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So same thing for any other round then huh

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh I’m aware. Not impressed. But boomers gonna boomer.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tell us this 'news' for AP ammo you have never seen.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The news that you're ignorant of is that armor won the race and Level IVs are basically unbeatable from a shoulder fired rifle bullet perspective. Barring a radical change in ammunition or every serviceman getting issued tungsten core bullets, armor winds. Not not even the anon you're replying to, I'm just tired of seeing so many people who are oblivious to just how good ceramic armor is now.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yea we'll be decades ahead in the small arms race while nato is squabbling to develop a shit round then end up swapping over to whatever big bullet the US military decides to use

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >shoots your face, belly, groin, or knees

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            6.8 Common will beat any meme armor you can think of

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, it can't defeat standard level IV plates.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's spicier than 30-06

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not spicy enough

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It isn't spicier than .338 WM, a heavier and faster bullet which still can't pen IV plates at 50m with a steel penetrator, out of a 22" barrel.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok?
                6.8 requires tungsten to defeat lvl4, just like 308 and 556.
                Boomer Bartocci is correct about this cartridge.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, it can't defeat standard level IV plates.

              If you want to dig through years of congressional archive footage there's an old hearing where Milley is talking about the need for penning Level 3 plates. Level 3.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's super cool anon, I bought $100 chinese level IV plates and so can literally anyone else. Wow, beating level III plates, the thing average 5.56 can do.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                IOW it's possible that's the armor NGSW is supposed to pen and they never updated it to pen level 4.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldering a 15lb rifle for a minute should be the minimum phsyical standard planetery wide
    do you own any such rifles? because i do, and i very much doubt anyone would hump such rifles anywhere

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he is a yuro noguns who isnt even 18 yet. These kinds of characters have these kinds of dumb opinions

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just make a 6.5 Grendel AR with a 20" barrel for 1000y shots, that can come apart in the middle to be a 10" barrel for room clearing
    Adjustable pistol length gas system

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >6.5 Grendel
      Opinion discarded.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >military Classic
          Not a single country has adopted it for its military.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            think of it as improved 308, shoots as far but with half the recoil and from an AR-15

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are they so hated?

    -Because the other competitors had better guns.
    -Because the dishonesty about the weight of the guns and ammo.
    -Because it originates from the bullshit HK spewed trying to sell 417's to the Army.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The other options were also shit anon. The whole NGSW and MHS programs were a money grab by Sig and the top brass and we, the tax payers, are left holding the bags.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this war has proven that NGSW is bullshit.

    the future infantryman will be carrying micro-assault rifles that can shoot up to 300 meters that fires fast lightweight smol bullets at 1200rpm and carries a bajillion rounds per magazine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the next war will be full of PP-19 Bizons, P90s, and CZ Skorpion Evo 3s
      Based

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it boggles the mind that you see tanks shooting each other from spitting distance when one tank spots another tank coming out of hiding from behind the trees.

      guns capable of firing up to 5km, and yet these tanks are blasting each other below 800 meters.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The future of infantry is basically improved mp7 style guns. Lightweight and light ammo so you can carry important things like more drones and shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gets domed by some murimutt with a xm7 and vortex ai scope from 2000yds
      get gud kid

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >drones you from 2km away while sitting in complete cover while you sit around with your rifle and nothing to shoot at

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >allied EW fries your drone before it gets within a kilometer
          Nice drone bro

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >in a city where no road is longer than 300m
        I don't think so moron.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine has shown that
    Anyone referencing Ukraine and then talking about the US conducting direct warfare should be disregarded entirely.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    20 years of iraq and afghanistan, and this is what they come up with
    infantry need to skirmish at 1 mile ranges...

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everyone knows that infantry-carried explosives like grenades/missiles/drones are the REAL killers of infantry combat.
    rifles, and especially LMGs are simply used to pin the enemy down long enough for your explosives to have an opportunity to kill the enemy.

    so who cares that you're using weaker guns and the enemy is using stronger guns?
    i mean it's not like the enemy infantry are gonna rush you and "tank" your "weaker" bullets so that they can kill you with their stronger "bullets".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i mean it's not like the enemy infantry are gonna rush you and "tank" your "weaker" bullets so that they can kill you with their stronger "bullets".
      What is an assault? 99% of Assault tactics relies on you believing that you're imprevious to bullets while the other guy will explode into giblets on hit. Anything less and assault is impossible without deeply suicidal mental conditioning. Even soviets in WW2 issued anti-SMG body armor for infantry CQB.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >siggers pissin hot meme round with laughable barrel life
    >NOW IN MACHINE GUN FORM
    yeah it's mystery I guess

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