>According to a report submitted by People Power Party National Assembly Member Shin Wonsik major defects have been found on all nine of the Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN)’s Son Won-il class submarines, modified versions of the German Type 214 also known as KSS II. This is a major blow to the ROKN’s submarine force, which heavily relies on the vessels.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/10/major-defects-found-on-south-koreas-type-214-submarine-fleet/
>Buy from Germany
>It breaks
ffs
German electrician at it again. making things more complicated.
>didn't read the article
The subs are korean-built copies of a german design, with some components that they're unable to make thenselves purchased directly from germany. At least one of the flaws was caused by the korean cooling system leaking seawater onto a german electrical system. The fact that this is happening aboard the all 9 of the submarines that korea built themselves, and not on the ones that they bought directly from germany (or anyone else's german-bought/german-cloned submarines of the same class, of which there are many) is indative of problems with the korean yards themselves.
>Worst Korea can't into submarines
Norks are really proud of their submarines.
When you destroy a ASW ship in the middle of a huge RoK/US ASW exercise and get away undetected then yes, you get to be proud.
>there are cranes and chains just big and strong enough to pick up a fricking ship
Man I'm easily impressed and all but frick isn't that really cool?
You ain't seen nothin yet shipmate
Yo dawg
Half a ship
Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking
> You get to be proud
True pride comes from something you both can do and should do. But if you shouldn't do it, but did it anyway, should there be pride that you could do it?
Wikipedia says Torpedo was fired from a midget submarine, not one of the larger buckets talked about in this thread.
I'd say they have a right to be, they've been operating and building them for about 20 years longer than south korea and have actually used them in combat/infiltration ops.
>He stated that due to the inherently ethnic nature of Korean nationalism, there was no major uproar over the incident in South Korean society because of ethnic solidarity with North Koreans that many South Koreans feel, which Myers said overruled patriotism towards South Korea in many cases involving North Korea
bruh
>blow up own ship
>oy vey
>l..let's blame The Best Korea
>they denied it
>you close your factories that you have together with them
>two months later reopen it
>oy vey
>see that intact torpedo we found under the sea
why read, if you can just get outraged at the headline
also
>pretend there is no problem, despite the electrical components being vital
pic related
>shitass construction
>vessel comes from a daewoo yard
Many, MANY such cases. Daweoo is only superior to somalian pirate dinghies or the bugmen building the PLAN. Literally the worst shipbuilder in the free world.
Next time, let samsung build your subs.
>submarine built by Daewoo that leaks
>submarine built by Samsung where I'm eating, sleeping and working above several tons of Samsung batteries
Are there any other choices?
Well, you could be in a russian sub getting raped i guess
>russian sub
Or irradiated.
>surely rescue will come any time now, there's bongs overhead with specialist deep sea minisubs for just such an occasion
>no? Guess I'll just asphyxiate then
>Daewoo
I haven't googled, but I thought they imploded years ago due to taking way too many loans to pay for other projects. I assume that their heavy shipbuilding division was sold off and only the name exists?
Yep, I was right. They were bought by another company, but neato is that Hyundai and Samsung also have major ship yards in Korea.
This is fake news!
Nothing like this ever happened!
The K2 Black Panther being on it's way to the Mark5 version because Hyundai still can't make a tank without relying on German parts is a myth too!
don't worry, someone is going to start talking about components in the k2 that are supposedly german in their indigenous powerpack
OK, meeting expectations
>Euro Power Pack for K2
>Wants to produce it themselves
>Failed and decided to import only the first 100 lots from Germany
>Engine copy failed on subsequent lots as well
>In the end, the engines for all vehicles came from Germany
https://m.edaily.co.kr/news/Read?newsId=02279606625966376&mediaCodeNo=257
The engine is fully localized, it's the gearbox that had been the roadblock, until it passed 9600km(6000miles) trial recently.
Turkey will be the first customer for the all-Korean powerpack since they've been sanctioned by Germany, so it's the only alternative to the europack on Altay.
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/content/korean-powerpack-starts-the-test-campaign-on-the-altay-mbt-5124
> caused by the korean cooling system leaking seawater onto a german electrical system.
Lol wtf
Ah yes, a seawater submarine, a place you totally never expect to have seawater.
Seems like a German design flaw too. The things should have been water tight.
the design can be as watertight as hell but it wont matter if the guys building it are moronic
Hell probably isn't watertight.
Not inside of it lmao
Anon, all sub machinery should be able to survive a pumpable leak.
This, and all cars should be able to survive a mild 30 mph collision and still be driveable.
Nice false equivalence. Electronics can be sealed and coated with relative ease.
Unless you were being serious about the 30mph crash.
I dont even know where to start, but it comes down to: the inside of a submarine is choke full of systems that dont handle contact with (sea)water very well. Go visit an actual sub and you know what i mean.
>didn't read the article
it literally mentions how the outer layers of the components are under attack
>why aren't these electronics just operating as normal when the sub starts flooding
I know you're probably being disingenuous but there's a reason why the first order when a space experiences flooding is to isolate it electrically, and that's because seawater absolutely fricks electronics. The last thing you need while trying to deal with flooding is an electrical fire.
In addition, coping with flooding in a submerged submarine is even more nightmarish than on a surface vessel because the increased water pressure is forcing the sea in at a massively increased rate. It's why typically flooding will force a submarine to emergency surface regardless of the mission or danger topside
5:00 on has a pretty good demonstration of what flooding at depth looks like
asiaticanon no, you do not in fact generally expect seawater INSIDE the submarine. That's actually kinda bad.
If you're not moronic you design all systems to function even if there is nearby damage including salt water spray and any fluids used in the submarine.
guess koreans are moronic then?
Koreans have one of highest IQ in world, unlike moron mutt American
Cope
Cope
>iq estimations
That is complete bullshit by the way.
Dude, anyone with the bare-minimum knowledge of shipbuilding can make up credible sounding shit. I'll believe it once that congressman starts leaking documents.
>buys germans
>modifies and therefore ruins it
>too dumb
>pavel cope
Copy outdated German U-Boat design without the secret German sauce (it's Sauerkraut water).
It sinks.
Why does that happen to me?
The German quality is shit tier but its being used as a political move by SK to increase funding for ssbn development, a similar tactic was used to get out of the F35B purchases with more F35A + KF21N development
thats what you get when you buy german
>german
>modified design built by daewoo
>pavel cope
>are ya winning son
>blub blubb
unironic question here, is German engineering really not that great? i've been seeing more and more negative news about it
German engineering was the best until the 1990s and then declined since, today its second tier at best and that is being generous, largely stereotyped as poor quality products with weak manufacturing
Imagine being so technologically backwards that you insult the Choson race by having to resort to foreign submarines and they still don't work. Such shameful display!
...e seething threads today make a lot more sense now.
This plus twitter found out that the K2 is just a failed Type 90 prototype and that they also got assistance from Israel Tal designer of the Merkava, Philip W. Lett designer of the M48, M60, and M1, and Sven Berge designer of the Strv103.
https://twitter.com/planbbg_131/status/1582418815429668867
South Korea's uber tank just got outed as a Jap design kit bashed with other western designs and was never their design in the first place, their "SRBM" crashed on their heads, and half of their submarine fleet is fricked so they are in hardcore damage control.
>cites jap tweet about Korean tank
Every single time. Fricking rent free, lmao.
Take it from the mouth of the head K2 developer at the ADD.
?t=1892
He thanks General Tal, Hayashi Iwao, the chief engineer of the M1 (Philip Lett), and Sven Berge. The funny part is you even have Chinks in the replies calling Korea a country of thieves and poached talent.
https://twitter.com/jaka15885835/status/1582702445624377345
meds, schizo
Can't handle the lead dev saying its a copy. Here is the another article where the engineers claimed they stole the autoloader design for the K2 from watching videos of the Leclerc.
https://www.hankookilbo.com/News/Read/200703092343454177
The K2 is a chink tier knock-off, but even the chinks are making fun of it because they at least admit when their shit is stolen.
Black person, you're citing jap and chink tweets. Couldn't be more obvious that you're a butthurt weeb homosexual.
dilate
I am citing the head ADD K2 Project managers mouth in that
youtube video, and a Korean article
saying that they ripped off the Leclerc autoloader.
Its well known globally that the japanese have a massive inferiority complex towards Koreans, it used to be assumed that its because the japanese are 15cm shorter on average with a much lower iq but its being discovered that this inferiority complex goes back thousands of years when the koreans colonized japanese with korean y dna to form the yamato mutt race of korean y dna + jomon x dna
The K2 is the best mbt in the world
The Type 90 is a tank that is smaller than many ifvs with no firepower, armor or any advanced technologies other than the ability to retreat in reverse faster than it can attack going forward
The K2 could take out 2 or 3 M1a2sep3s whereas the Type 90 would get mogged by a stock T72
The type 90 armor is horrendously bad, its believed that standard 7.62 rounds can penetrate most of the type 90 armor
Like with everything German, they've been remotely turned off:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-submarines-fitted-with-russian-technology-report/a-57030819
>imagine believing this pavel cope
How exactly is Deutsche Welle coping?
German built submarines work just fine you fricking moron. The Korean built knock-offs don't.
The fact that the OP is a known vatnik spammer, namely "Armatard", he uses the same template over and over to have people baited for as long as it keeps them away from paying attention to any Russian losses in Ukraine.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55648014/
>Korean subs based on kraut tech -> has problems
>newest Korean subs with indigenous design -> does not have problems
it's a fricking mystery that only weebs can't figure out
>newest Korean subs with indigenous design -> drops ballistic missiles on it's own head
KSS-III has only been in service for barely a year. The idea that a submarine going 1 year without a catastrophic failure is a success story speaks loudly.
>maybe morons will believe me if I go full schizo
>t. butthurt weeb
The modern realities is that South Korea is a world power for all intents and purposes, this includes nukes which SK is the leading nation with the only proven fusion reactor expertise
The true GFP index if political correctness/diplomacy were ignored and the benchmark is in an all out war scenario
1 US
2 SK
3 France
4 UK, Germany
5 Spain, Italy, Australia, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Israel, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Poland
6 Russia, China
7 Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, North Korea, Brazil, Belgium, Austria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, New Zealand
8 Japan, Portugal, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Algeria, Morocco
9 Philippines, Taiwan, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, Mongolia, Tunisia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary
>South Korea is a world power
>2 SK
They can only make war on their own people a few miles away. It's a regional power constantly hindered by the constant threat of the civil war flaring up again.
>They can only make war on their own people a few miles away. It's a regional power constantly hindered by the constant threat of the civil war flaring up again
Prove me wrong, homosexual.
>best MBT in world, the K2
>best innovative rifle in the world, the K11
>world class assault ships, i.e Dokdo class
>most advanced Aegis ships, i.e Sejong the Great
>very highly trained army and conscript
Keep the cope, low IQ American moron
>sub-20,000 ton, 23 knot assaultnship with only 15 helicopters
Come on man, I ike the ROKN but the Dokdos are vastly smaller, slower, less capable Makin Island/America LHAs
None proven in war.
>American education
Korea is still at war with the North, moron
This is like saying the latest nuclear warheads are not tested in war lol
>all that cool shit
>doesn't have a blue water navy
When they get their carrier, they will leapfrog a bunch of other countries, but until then all their assault and auxiliary ships are only good as far as their land based air assets cover them. Which is all understandable when you consider they know their next war will most likely be just next door. Still makes them a regional power though.
Lol South Korea has deployed 500k+ combat troops post Korean War, no other nation other than the US can claim this, in fact when SK combat troops are deployed adversaries get killed at a scale that makes even the US uncomfortable, SK is the US's broad sword, UK is the US's scalpel
>in fact when SK combat troops are deployed unarmed civilians get killed at a scale that makes even the US uncomfortable, while they are completely useless in combat, in many cases collapse of asiatic flank led to failure of mission
FTFY
>Wikipedia
>UK and Germany above Israel
>Spain, Italy, Australia, Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Poland can beat North Korea in a total war
>Belgium and New Zealand have a chance against North Korea
We get it, you are a moron.
>UK and Germany above Israel
>in an all out war scenario
Israel would get wiped out by either UK or Germany, their populations and resources are, separately, many times larger.
>North Korea beating anyone in a total war scenario
They have no economy to speak of, so no means by which to pursue anything like total war.
While Israel is a small nation, both the UK and Germany are the size of a midsized US state with extremely limited natural resources
New Zealand, a nation with no air combat abilities, only two combat capable vessels in it's navy and only 100 wheeled armored vehicles it going to beat someone with twice as many armored vehicles as it has active soldiers and more artillery pieces that it's entire defense force has people after being hit with 50+ atomic warheads.
/k/: moronic 12 year olds on daddies computer.
that's why no one takes korea seriously no matter how hard asiaticshills try
>that's why no one takes korea seriously no matter how hard asiaticshills try
>the BBC appreciator has entered the chat
>big brack wiener
You must understand, seething at germany is way more important to them than faulty subs on the other end of the world.
>Shin Wonsik
the frick kind of asiatic name is that?
>t. literal homosexualposter
imagine being so insecure in your heterosexuality you can't even read gay romance mangas
are you a israelite or a redditor?
homophobia is rife. Some guys are so homophobic they can't even jack off to cute twinks and frick them in the ass.
You know I am getting really tired of the triumvirate of shitposting around Poland/Germany/Korea, rivals the whole Ukie vs Vatnik war in density. Could you at least be entertaining?
It ain't good but they were already in the process of replacing them with a superior, native sub. They'll be fine. They are already 15 years old so hardly a loss of cutting edge tech (ie useful againt China)
>"half of our submarine fleet isn't fit for purpose, but that's okay"
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Its a third, not a half. They aren't completely useless and as I said its their older models (the newer subs are considerablly more useful). Also, allow me to remind you that I led with "it ain't good." I acknowledge that this is a setback but its hardly as catastrophic as some in this thread have claimed it to be.
>Its a third, not a half
>Total Submarines in Fleet: 19
>major defects on all 9 Type 214
1 new sub doesn't replace the usefulness of 9 slightly older subs.
Only 7 are adversly affected. And I thought they had 21 subs in their fleet? 9 old, 9 really old, and 3 new.
God, I'd commit war crimes to protect this smile!
>People Power Party
The same people who claimed that South Korea's F-35s had less than 20% availability? Yeah, like fricking hell I'll believe them.
Mission capable stats should be available as they are in the US so you can easily verify such questions. Sortie availability depends on many factors and doesn't mean an aircraft can't be used in a war emergency but it's reasonable to expect high break rates during transition.
This is an example of a worthless article. WHAT broke, what were the fixes, are the fixes complete, what changes will be integrated into production etc?
https://theaviationist.com/2022/10/05/south-koreas-f-35as-grounded-by-malfunctions-172-times-over-18-months/
So the south can't even complete a kit handed to them by Germany but the North already has a deployed ICBM launching sub with at least 5 proven launches under it's belt?
Imagine being part of South Korea's JIDF-equivalent and defending your gay country on the internet for free by arguing with racist rednecks who frick male deer corpses, laugh at people getting blown up, and constantly discuss methods of murdering government agents, about how totally cool and powerful you are when for the last 60 years all people would think about when hearing the word "Korea" is Kim Jong-Un and Matt Damon in a puppet film. At least your coworkers who create and monitor the totally organic K-Poop threads that litter half the boards on this site get paid in internet cafe-hours to act moronic; you on the other hand try so hard to work that supposedly genius IQ brain of yours into getting random foreigners to treat South Korea as a legitimate military power instead of knockoff Japan, but we all know it's too fried from playing Starcraft and watching Tiktoks of your favorite K-Poop idols recovering from their 28th jaw surgery when you're not "defending" your country for free or contemplating jumping off the roof of one of the many ugly eyesore commieblocks that adorn your "beautiful" cities
>Imagine being part of South Korea's JIDF-equivalent and defending your gay country on the internet for free by arguing with racist rednecks who frick male deer corpses, laugh at people getting blown up, and constantly discuss methods of murdering government agents, about how totally cool and powerful you are when for the last 60 years all people would think about when hearing the word "Korea" is Kim Jong-Un and Matt Damon in a puppet film. At least your coworkers who create and monitor the totally organic K-Poop threads that litter half the boards on this site get paid in internet cafe-hours to act moronic; you on the other hand try so hard to work that supposedly genius IQ brain of yours into getting random foreigners to treat South Korea as a legitimate military power instead of knockoff Japan, but we all know it's too fried from playing Starcraft and watching Tiktoks of your favorite K-Poop idols recovering from their 28th jaw surgery when you're not "defending" your country for free or contemplating jumping off the roof of one of the many ugly eyesore commieblocks that adorn your "beautiful" cities
>Imagine being a RoK spammer proud of his fake nation failing to assemble a German submarine handed to you like a set of IKEA furniture while to the north the BEST version of your people is making nuclear armed ballistic submarines
German here, I think it's time for an honest admission of failures and observations in regards to our military and industry;
- The Eurofighter is a failure overall. There is only a very limited number ready for combat at any point in time. It took decades to develop and the overall performance is just average
- The Eurocopter is a failure overall.
- Corruption in the military takes the form of "advisors" which were for deployed back when the current EU chief "Ursula von der Leyen" aka "Flintenuschi" was defense minister. A significant amount of money was spent on utterly useless advisors from Mc Kinsley and such.
- There are major issues with certain Naval Ships
- NH90 is barely operational
- No pride in the engineering work since the decades old "love and peace" indoctrination also affected engineers working in the defense industry
I could go on, there is overall just so much wrong, it's going to take decades to fix it.
... I could go on
>try so hard to be regional power
>fails
The history of Korea in a nutshell.