Because you're a dumb fag. They literally said they would be doing this before they even got any cluster munitions donated. Dropping them individually from drones will also reduce the dud rate.
The bomblets have an exceptionally low dud rate mechanically speaking. What causes failures are awkward angles from shell separation and the fact that the bomblet is so lightweight compared to a unitary shell that if you hit soft soil like after rain or in a bog for example the primer might not have enough force from the impact of hitting the ground to go off.
because they are old as fuck (thats why we phase them out. western standards are really, really high, like a 1% dud rate was unacceptable. )
it's the same thing with modern western mines that you can set a time for self-destructing after like max 3 days. some even have rot failure elements that let them break apart if not triggered after decades, like rust out/bio/UV degradable plastic. but its very rare afaik
The 155mm cluster shells contain like 50-80 bomblets depending on the specific model so you don't have to open too many of them to get a shitload of drone munitions. If you crack open ten shells you get munitions for at least 500 drops so you might as well. If you open up DPICM some of the bomblets are HEAT which are hard to find in that size elsewhere.
What if (hear me out) we give Ukraine some sort of purpose-built cluster munition design to be dropped for the air that holds more bomblets than a 155mm shell does. Oh... it'd probably be way to big for a drone to lift, wouldn't it? OK. What if someone gave them a delivery platform too?
What if we made the drone bigger so it could cary more shells? If we made it big enough, we could maybe saturate an area with bombs! If we make the drone a bigger target, we'll have to make them faster. Maybe stick a propeller on the front and give it some fixed wings for stability...
Because they have HEAT bomblets which will be extremely effective for anti-armor drone drops. They're getting hundreds of thousands of the things in the long run, cutting open a couple dozen for bomblets is nothing out of their shell stock but a ton for drone drops.
It's genius. You either succeed and get your bomblets or get completely fucking obliterated by the 200 bomblets in the shell. Zero chance you survive and end up maimed.
the reason they're doing this instead of shooting them through the big guns is because any of them that don't blow up become landmines. Sure, they don't have a very high failure rate but there will still be landmines left over if they just shot them all the old fashioned way.
Fucking hell, since they're standard size and all, why don't they make a drum mechanism that spits them out like 8 pieces per drone? That'd be hell of force multiplayer.
Give it a few days to a week and we will see such mechanisms.
What I see as a reason not to use them is the size and weight - the submunitions seem to fit well in the 30mm (40mm?) holders the Ukrainians already have. Just putting smaller/lighter munition in them potentially increases flight time and thus time over target or range. That's in and of itself already a good development.
There was that Taiwanese drone with a rotary magazine dropper but the average consumer quadcopter doesn't carry heavy payloads beyond a grenade or two.
>New tech tree unlocked >"Some of our guys decided to cut out one of these clusters up for fun and rig up some stuff for drones. Intrigued, we decided to give it a go." >"How do you wish the experiment to proceed?"
I dunno man, that doesn't seem that stupid. each shell carries 88 submunition, which, at 2 per drone, provides 44 drones (or drone sorties) with payload. that's pretty good use of resources considering it also doesn't induce wear on gun barrels. also these are good munitions, not just some shit that was thrown together, they are small, but will blow through most vehicles top armor and cause good fragmentation.
I'd fins a safer way to disassemble them, but I don't think it's a bad use of resources.
Quad copter drone now have shaped charged for antiarmor now.
Honestly quadcopter drone make each individual charge more effective than if it was toss by the artillery in exchange for losing mass fires.
Basically the differance between using a m249 and a M4 same ammo diffrent role.
the answer may surprise you
https://history-computer.com/the-10-largest-chip-manufacturers-in-the-world-and-what-they-do/#:~:text=Chip%20manufacturers%20make%20microcircuits%20or,percent%20of%20the%20world's%20chips.
It's not a great idea, but I suppose for the weight, it's penetration and anti-infantry effects it's a really good munition for drones compared to having them carry AT grenades.
>A grenade can't zap through 3 inches of armor steel moron
Uhhh yes they fucking can if they're a HEAT warhead hand grenade, of which exist in many countries in various forms.
Why wouldn't you arm your GUIDED weapons systems to 100% before employing unguided ones?
Cluster munitions in an artillery shell are a compensation for their unguided nature. Merely going to a bigger artillery shell doesn't do much for you since humans and weapons don't need much to destroy and so you end up only making a slightly bigger crater in the dirt. It helps to spread out smaller charges to give yourself a greater chance of hitting something.
But if a drone has a higher likelihood of hitting its target with any individual bomblet than an artillery shell, it's logical to arm your drones with them instead.
If it takes, say, 2 cluster shells with 80 bomblets each on average to produce 1 kill, but those 160 bomblets in drone strikes will kill 40, then it's 40 times more effective to use them in drone strikes than in shells.
Because they don't have air superiority at the moment, and drones are used to fill the gap.
Because you're a dumb fag. They literally said they would be doing this before they even got any cluster munitions donated. Dropping them individually from drones will also reduce the dud rate.
>Dropping them individually from drones will also reduce the dud rate.
How so? Is not a dud a dud to begin with?
The bomblets have an exceptionally low dud rate mechanically speaking. What causes failures are awkward angles from shell separation and the fact that the bomblet is so lightweight compared to a unitary shell that if you hit soft soil like after rain or in a bog for example the primer might not have enough force from the impact of hitting the ground to go off.
That makes sense, thanks.
why can't they have an extra timed fuse started on release then?
Somebody please post the RBMK it's cheaper meme
Look at the fuze design. It's made to be simple for mass production. This is 1960s tier tech.
>This is 1960s tier tech.
Double effect impact-and-timer fuzes are 1890s tech.
They do in the modern stuff. This is our warehouse trash we were never going to use.
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I don't get it
because they are old as fuck (thats why we phase them out. western standards are really, really high, like a 1% dud rate was unacceptable. )
it's the same thing with modern western mines that you can set a time for self-destructing after like max 3 days. some even have rot failure elements that let them break apart if not triggered after decades, like rust out/bio/UV degradable plastic. but its very rare afaik
There's also mid-air collisions with one another.
US ones do, along with a timed permanent deactivation if the failsafe timer fails. Russian-made cluster munitions have something like a 30% dud rate.
there's something amusing about an explosion being the fail-safe option
>Why are slaves good at improvising
>please keep being entertained by our war!
>if you dont you'll forget about it and stop giving us support!
I can promise that no one cares about what you do or what entertains you
>please stop laughing at dead russians
lmao no
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
slavs are good at making the best out of what the have because they don't have a lot
>Slav with most self preservation instinct.
And here I am, unwilling to make a right turn when there's a car half a kilometer away.
I feel ya
The 155mm cluster shells contain like 50-80 bomblets depending on the specific model so you don't have to open too many of them to get a shitload of drone munitions. If you crack open ten shells you get munitions for at least 500 drops so you might as well. If you open up DPICM some of the bomblets are HEAT which are hard to find in that size elsewhere.
>we need X
>we won't give you X, have Y instead
>ok, we're gonna make X out of Y
when did we ever say we wouldn't give them grenades?
I'm sure they're sawing cluster shells open because it didn't occur to them to ask for grenades.
they should get a bigger drone and drop the whole munition like this
what about 40 dji phantoms carrying it at once
What if (hear me out) we give Ukraine some sort of purpose-built cluster munition design to be dropped for the air that holds more bomblets than a 155mm shell does. Oh... it'd probably be way to big for a drone to lift, wouldn't it? OK. What if someone gave them a delivery platform too?
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>the bomblets detonating mid-air and above ground from fragmentation and early from undeployed streamers
I suddenly believe the UXO claims.
Why would exploding ordnance be evidence of unexploded ordnance issues?
One of the main reasons behind DPICM UXO is bomblets banging into each other midair and knocking their simple fuses in or out of position.
Somebody rush this image to the Pentagon immediately.
I don't mean the quadcopter, I mean the shitting bear.
What if we made the drone bigger so it could cary more shells? If we made it big enough, we could maybe saturate an area with bombs! If we make the drone a bigger target, we'll have to make them faster. Maybe stick a propeller on the front and give it some fixed wings for stability...
Because they have HEAT bomblets which will be extremely effective for anti-armor drone drops. They're getting hundreds of thousands of the things in the long run, cutting open a couple dozen for bomblets is nothing out of their shell stock but a ton for drone drops.
that seems like a worrisome and very slav way of opening up any sort of shell
It's genius. You either succeed and get your bomblets or get completely fucking obliterated by the 200 bomblets in the shell. Zero chance you survive and end up maimed.
If they already know where the cuts are, given that the head is screwed onto the shell itself, it's not really dangerous.
it looks like it was almost made for dropping from drones with the arming mechanism and everything.
Ribbon streamer also eliminates need for ad hoc fin attachments or dropping super low.
It's like it was engineered for this shit or something...
That's smart as fuck.
The bomblets are really cute. It's good that I don't get my hands on them or I would play around with them until my hands are no more.
>The bomblets are really cute.
Bombletchan when?
You REALLY haven't been paying much attention, have you?
the reason they're doing this instead of shooting them through the big guns is because any of them that don't blow up become landmines. Sure, they don't have a very high failure rate but there will still be landmines left over if they just shot them all the old fashioned way.
Fucking hell, since they're standard size and all, why don't they make a drum mechanism that spits them out like 8 pieces per drone? That'd be hell of force multiplayer.
Give it a few days to a week and we will see such mechanisms.
What I see as a reason not to use them is the size and weight - the submunitions seem to fit well in the 30mm (40mm?) holders the Ukrainians already have. Just putting smaller/lighter munition in them potentially increases flight time and thus time over target or range. That's in and of itself already a good development.
The standard quadcopter can hold 2. It's weight limited.
There was that Taiwanese drone with a rotary magazine dropper but the average consumer quadcopter doesn't carry heavy payloads beyond a grenade or two.
>New tech tree unlocked
>"Some of our guys decided to cut out one of these clusters up for fun and rig up some stuff for drones. Intrigued, we decided to give it a go."
>"How do you wish the experiment to proceed?"
I dunno man, that doesn't seem that stupid. each shell carries 88 submunition, which, at 2 per drone, provides 44 drones (or drone sorties) with payload. that's pretty good use of resources considering it also doesn't induce wear on gun barrels. also these are good munitions, not just some shit that was thrown together, they are small, but will blow through most vehicles top armor and cause good fragmentation.
I'd fins a safer way to disassemble them, but I don't think it's a bad use of resources.
Because it probably works really well.
What? Like what
Quad copter drone now have shaped charged for antiarmor now.
Honestly quadcopter drone make each individual charge more effective than if it was toss by the artillery in exchange for losing mass fires.
Basically the differance between using a m249 and a M4 same ammo diffrent role.
where do the chips for all the drones come from?
the answer may surprise you
https://history-computer.com/the-10-largest-chip-manufacturers-in-the-world-and-what-they-do/#:~:text=Chip%20manufacturers%20make%20microcircuits%20or,percent%20of%20the%20world's%20chips.
It's not a great idea, but I suppose for the weight, it's penetration and anti-infantry effects it's a really good munition for drones compared to having them carry AT grenades.
Still seems like a waste of perfectly good DPICM
That's an exceptional example of them being smart though.
imagine doing this for fucking views why do they want to many youtube view monies.
What does the inside of one of those bomblets look like? I'm assuming it's like a grenade and packed with some kind of shrapnel.
Copper HEAT liner, HE, and a steel outer case. It's basically a 40mm HEDP++.
Very cool
some of them even have an extra shrapnel mantle but that just a byproduct of weight balancing the shell. still a need detail
True story: every week of the year, the Pentagon receives two parcels full of bear shit. What I want to know is, who's mailing the other one?
You mean being based like this?
>yfw ywn take an angle grinder to a cluster shell
Why would they cut open shells?
Did Biden no longer send them grenades of varying sizes?
A grenade can't zap through 3 inches of armor steel moron
Much more effective too if you can drop the ~100 submunitions with pinpoint accuracy instead of carpetbombing only one single area using one 155 shell
>armor steel moron
is that a new superwepon?
>A grenade can't zap through 3 inches of armor steel moron
Uhhh yes they fucking can if they're a HEAT warhead hand grenade, of which exist in many countries in various forms.
It's the intelligent thing to do.
Why wouldn't you arm your GUIDED weapons systems to 100% before employing unguided ones?
Cluster munitions in an artillery shell are a compensation for their unguided nature. Merely going to a bigger artillery shell doesn't do much for you since humans and weapons don't need much to destroy and so you end up only making a slightly bigger crater in the dirt. It helps to spread out smaller charges to give yourself a greater chance of hitting something.
But if a drone has a higher likelihood of hitting its target with any individual bomblet than an artillery shell, it's logical to arm your drones with them instead.
If it takes, say, 2 cluster shells with 80 bomblets each on average to produce 1 kill, but those 160 bomblets in drone strikes will kill 40, then it's 40 times more effective to use them in drone strikes than in shells.
>Why are slavs like this?
by doing something smart you retard?