Why are people still batoning wood with their $90 knives instead of buying a $20 hatchet? In Anno Domini Two Thousand Twenty Three?
Why are people still batoning wood with their $90 knives instead of buying a $20 hatchet?
Why are people still batoning wood with their $90 knives instead of buying a $20 hatchet? In Anno Domini Two Thousand Twenty Three?
Fun fact, only fatty car campers and e-celebs take giant knives or hatchets into the forest. If you need a knife at all to start or maintain a fire innnawoods you're moronic.
Now that’s just a silly take. Sure you don’t really NEED one for firewood, but it has a lot of other utilities, and it makes firewood prep a lot faster.
>If you need a knife at all to start or maintain a fire innnawoods you're moronic.
This is true for my area where there's plenty of good squawwood in the trees.
But I've heard I'm the PNW and other moist places you need to split wood to get dry fuel.
I've never been to the PNW except for PAX before the trannies took over. So idk.
Did he died?
I live in the PNW
you absolutely don't need an axe or knife to start and maintain a fire here. I haven't needed anything but a lighter or matches to start a fire in 20+ years. I have waxed tinder I use sometimes use if it's raining. If you live in the PNW and can't start a fire with Cedar or Pine (no axe or knife necessary) kindly frickoff back to whatever city hellscape you came from.
>I live in the PNW
Same. I've never had to cut wood innawoods. Going out prepared for a logging expedition is simply justification for being a gear queer. Nothing wrong with that, but at least be honest.
this, but mostly aimed at flatlanders who pull up into the mountains with a crazy loadout as if they'll be hiking longer than a 4 mile round trip
I did 30 miles of the pct in vans with no knives, you don't need $2000 worth of gear for anything except month-long PrepHoleings
>before the trannies
PAX used to be fricking great and then 2012 hit and it never recovered.
Based, a small folding knife is all you need when backpacking. That said I get why people feel more comfortable carrying a large knoif deep in the woods.
Have fun getting eaten
Have fun with your made up scenario.
t. Someone that has looked at statistics regarding PrepHole causalities.
>unspecified/other
that's skinwalkers
Never understood how stats make people feel better. When you’re the one getting dragged out of your tent by a bear are you just thinking “wow you know this actually pretty rare when you check the stats”
You never understood it because you’re a moron.
>Never understood how stats make people feel better.
It shows you, with numbers, how silly it is to worry about something that has pretty much no chance of happening.
Not worrying about something and being ignorant of reality are two totally different things. Bringing a knife with you, which has man potential uses, is not "being silly" its being practical. Not bringing the knife with you because "i probably wont need it" despite the fact that it does not hurt you to bring and can only benefit you is SILLY AS HELL.
>Not worrying about something and being ignorant of reality are two totally different things. Bringing a rope with you, which has man potential uses, is not "being silly" its being practical. Not bringing the rope with you because "i probably wont need it" despite the fact that it does not hurt you to bring and can only benefit you is SILLY AS HELL.
>SILLY AS HELL
I love running into the ultralight weirdos. They're the definition of silly as hell. They plan what to bring not based on any definition of utility or comfort, but the minimum necessary to not die.
Wait people don't want nor fell the need to carry the entire kitchen every time they set foot in the woods? SILLY AS HELL.
Hopefully you're being deliberately hyperbolic. Otherwise, you're just a moron for not understanding the point.
Carrying an axe, UL or not, is stupid, unless your goal is to deliberately carry 50+ lbs of shit for the fun of it.
>Carrying any axe automatically means you have 50+ lbs
Just stay indoors if you're too weak, no one will know
but if he had the right tool for the job he couldn't bushlarp with his overpriced meme knife
>not UL
>still don't carry an axe because I simply do not make camp fires
Well we've already established you can make a fire by just breaking sticks. Defending yourself from wild animals with a knife is extremely unlikely and also moronic. What are you doing with your larp knife again?
>bear decides to maul you
>yup i'll just stab it to death
How to tell you are american without telling you are american.
>I never understood statistics or logic so I don't use either
obviously
lel
If you think a knife is going to save you from a bear then perhaps you should stay inside.
>Can't kill a bear with a knife
feel bad about being a giant pussy
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/fraser-graham-kills-grizzly-bear-with-knife-while-hunting-in-cha_n_4194910
You fool, that's because they're the 0.04% of hikers that didn't have a knife.
Idk. It's kinda like when they talk about how rare shark attacks are.
But they don't ever consider the possibility that people who go missing at the beach or sea got torn apart by a pack of sharks.
Every unsolved missing persons case is a potential bear or mountain lion attack.
>Every unsolved missing persons case is a potential bear or mountain lion attack.
It's also a potential drowning, fall, suicide, etc.
Fun fact: malpractice kills more people anually than motor collisions
Frick Fall is my favorite time to go PrepHole. How do I survive anons?
National parks are a statistically insignificant portion of the land mass. Either way, I'm probably more worried about two legged animals than I am four legged, so I always carry a firearm. Yes, that includes sasquatch or skinwalkers. I'm not going to waste the time to take out my phone, turn the camera resolution down to 640x480, put a dirty fingerprint on the lens, and zoom in 100x just so I can take a photo. I'm going to plug the fricker and think about how to make a bigfoot pelt rug.
>capping a prime bigfoot instead of copulating
You some kinda homosexual, boy?
I can't justify carrying an axe head. It's too much weight.
How much shit are you carrying that a hatchet is the straw that breaks your back?
For a b***h, any weight is too much
No matter how strong you are, you can go farther and faster if you carry less.
Why are you in a rush?
Why are you so fat? My normal pace is probably your jogging speed... so if I passed you you'd say I'm going fast and I just see some fat guy blocking traffic, waddling along.
how is there traffic in the middle of the woods?
Post your longest hike on any given day. But don't lie, let us have a laf.
>I walk 10 feet from the car to the campground plot--I'm so beefcake!
No, but seriously, how much weight do you carry that weight +2 is too heavy and fatiguing?
I'm not him but I made the original comment about the axe head. I haven't weighed my gear. I do not know what it weighs but I am trying to carry as little weight as possible. Even a 500g difference means I can hike further in a day. I do not build large camp fires or bush craft huts and even if I did, an axe is still not optimal for doing these things.
The only way you can justify an axe head is if you aren't really hiking bro.
>grams
Ah. I see. Everything makes sense now
Kek. Yes we know you larp with your axe and build an enormous camp fire every night after hiking 20km.
>kilometers
Euro identified
Australian. You know the least populated country with the most vast PrepHole activities. One of the only places left where you can hike on known trails and never see another person.
Envious. What kinda hunting can one do, just generally speaking on a backpack trip with something like a small bow? Hare? Wallaby?
I have on the rare occasion taken my .270 and have shot deer but only because there are so many in the area I hike, high country, vic section of the great dividing range. I don't do it anymore because I don't like leaving the animal. I wouldn't shoot a native but yeah you can shoot roo there are lots of them. Cut the tail off and leave the rest, make a campfire and cook the tail, its quite good. I wouldn't shoot a wallaby personally. There are goats, I'm talking big ones, but they're difficult to find because of the topography of the mountains.
You-
You mean you’d just shoot the deer and leave em?
Nah nvm I don’t like you anymore
Some of my taxes are used by the government to spend 1k per hour on helicopter pilots with professional hunters and veterinarians to solely hunt the deer. There are so many of them as an american you probably can't imagine it. They're out competing with our natives. Like I said I don't do it any more but I certainly pay for it to be done.
In nw Florida the game wardens just ride around and shoot all they can catch site of...you can take 2 a day during the season.
>not wanting to help your country’s ecology by culling invasive species
Your supposed piety is false and shallow
It's permenant open season on deer in most states in Aus just as an FYI.
>Australian. You know the least populated country with the most vast PrepHole activities. One of the only places left where you can hike on known trails and never see another person.
Never been to Scotland, have you mate?
Scotland has 5596 people per square km.
Australia has 3 people per square km.
Not even comparable mate.
5592 of them are on the dole, rarely leaving their "hooses". Go to any trail and you'll walk for days on end without seeing people
It's the same here lmao. The vast majority have never left a city.
You have no idea of the size and desolation. Even pretenting to compare them is moronation.
Horses have the body count win in Australia.
Australia is awesome. Too bad about the cucks who live there.
How often do you run into dangerous animals or the big creepy-crawlies everyone memes about? Australia seems awesome and I'd love to visit some day but frick me I don't know what I'd do if I woke up with a huntsman spider on me.
Dangerous animals in my area of hiking are the snakes and spiders. I stay within the great dividing range which is a bit higher then elsewhere so there are less of both. I have seen snakes but they run away or they're sitting still, easy to avoid. It's rare to find a snake that won't just run away from you that said I do carry a snake bite bandage, it's so light I just carry it anyway.
Most of our spiders won't kill you. Huntsmen spiders are bros. They are intelligent and not aggressive towards humans. An adult male will easily survive the bite of a huntsmen and you would have to really annoy it to make it bite you. Funnel webs certainly will kill you but they sit in a web that looks like a funnel. Don't stick your hand in it and you're safe. I have been bitten by some kind of spider that I had never seen before and haven't ever seen since. It was small and purple. It made me feel severely drunk for 12 hours and I couldn't do anything. My reaction time dropped by about a second so everything I did was delayed, heart beat was fine tho and that was the only symptom. Thought about pressing my emergency beacon but didn't want to seem like a pussy and I'm glad I didn't.
Huntsman* kek you know what I mean. I have photos of really cool looking huntsman let me see if I can find them.
Here he is. I've seen a huntsman that had ever so light blue stripes and it was so incredible but he ran away from me before I could snap a pic. They're cool spiders and bros.
Damn, that's awesome that those things aren't repulsive to you like they are for me. I've gotten over a lot of my illogical fear of big bugs through the natural exposure therapy that comes with going out but the big frickers still give me the willies.
I didn't always like them. Exposure and seeing them removed my fear. If was to lock you in a room with one at first you would be terrified but eventually you would chill out. It would only take a couple hours. Eventually you would even let it crawl on you kek that said I would prefer it they didn't crawl on me.
Also I just recalled that wolf spiders are the c**ts. I once camped near a wolf spider nest and I woke up with like 20 of them on my tent. They're highly aggressive pieces of shit, but rare in the mountains.
For me it's locusts & other moronic flying swarm beetles. Spiders are smart, I know what they're going to do. Grasshoppers/Rhino beetles? Giant flying blindfolded spiky c**tS.
Yeah generally spider bites won't kill no matter how poisonous the spider is unless you're very unlucky, they can just be very painful.
Snakes are a completely different beast, as far as poison goes spiders are everywhere but you don't see them responsible for a huge number of deaths.
>On average, about 5.4 million people are bitten by venomous snakes, and half of these bites result in envenomation. Between 80,000 and 140,000 people die as a result of these bites and many more are left seriously injured
Basically no antivenom and a bad snake bite? You're dead.
Spider bite? Probably fine, just gonna be very painful, itchy, uncomfortable, possible infection and rotting flesh.
>On the other hand, the number of deaths attributable to spiders is less well known. Many countries do not keep good records of spider bite fatalities. In the United States, fewer than 7 deaths are attributable to spiders each year thanks to the widespread availability of antivenom. It can be assumed that worldwide spiders kill several hundred people each year but it’s impossible to say for sure.
The worldwide statistic is a bit surprising but I guess yeah it makes sense. I've never heard of a person dying from anything besides a funnel web bite and they're ultra rare. I've heard that something like 40k people die per year of snake bites just in India, but that's an estimate and it could be a lot more. Sharks kill more people than spiders in auatralia by far. I think actually, I'm pretty sure I've heard that cows kill more Australians then spiders per year.
The only thing to really worry about is crocodiles, brumbies & snakes. Unless you're allergic to a specific spider that is common in grasses. Only one way to find out. Just a bit of necrosis at the bite point if so. If you get your face tangled in yellow/golden web that is stupid strong & humongous you can thank an orb weaver. They don't really bite much.
Huntsmans are total bro's, never been bitten by one. They prefer to not get rolled on & squished so you're usually fine but sometimes the little ones enjoy a little spelunk. Luckily we automatically swallow while asleep.
I've been in north Queensland 27 years & been barefoot for maybe 25 of them total. Never been bitten, though have had encounters with snakes. Just stomp around loudly so they can hear your nuts swing & they will flee in the wake of your eminence. If you get bitten, pop a squat, keep a hold of the snake & you'll be fine. Just so they know what antidote to use instantly.
As far as crocodiles go just stay clear of murky water & have a small distraction animal with you like a dog. Worked for a couple moronic tourists when I worked out bush a couple years back. Swam straight between three of them to take the dog while they were swimming in some random murky creek in the middle of nowhere. If you plan on camping just set up well away from any riverbanks.
I guess there's certain jellyfish to watch out for too but they usually have a bloom season & then frick off so just ask about that.
Brumbies are very scary, humongous & intelligent. Climb/dodge behind a tree for a while I guess.
Btfo.
Holy frick PrepHole never fails to amaze me
>doesnt have a fire thus doesnt bring an axe
>omfg!!!
what the frick is wrong with you moron why the frick do you do with an axe when you dont have a fire
I'm amazed about 500g taking such a big toll on you
No one has said anything about 500g taking a toll on me. We are talking about hiking. Do you know how much 500g of food is? How long does 500g of food last you on a hike.
500g of food lasts me about 1, maybe 1 and a half day.
I'm 6 foot and supplementing it with forage it lasts me 3 days, easily. How much fricking weight are you carrying.
Usually close to 60lbs depending on the year, time out ans activity.
Also if I'd have to forage I'd probably not have much time to actually hike.
That's why you have to eat so much. When I first started I carried both an axe and a saw and over time I got rid of the axe and then the saw. Literally not needed at all. Forage is everywhere here.
Who said I had to eat much? 500g of drymeals are about 2400 calories if we're being generous. Thats average male consumption without any special activities.
It's a shitload more than me and im 88kg/6ft. Why exactly do you carry that much weight. My pack is literally 8lb without anything else in it and I carry at least half of your weight.
Actually never mind. You don't do long range hiking otherwise you wouldn't need an axe.
I never said you needed an axe, I said I'm amazed by how 500g can matter that much, you're in your own world.
Is 2400calories a shitload more than you eat? So what? You plan on withering away during long hikes?
If youre wondering about the weight its due to the longevity and enviroment. Proper tent, sleeping bag, food, special equipment for mountaineering, snow travel, etc.
>I never said you needed an axe
ok
>I just never ever do long range hikes but am commenting on posts by people that do and saying obviously moronic shit.
check
>continues to misquote, misrepresent and say stupid shit
it's amazing how you lack any sort of self awareness
Continue--you morons can't help yourselves.
amazing how you managed to type all that without actually saying something. Answer the question, cuck.
>Explain to a fatty that doesn't hike why his statement was moronic.
no, I'll just keep laughing at you and pointing out how fat you are.
>doubling down
how cute. I guess when you frick up and forget the average male burn about 2500 calories a day you have to resort to such. We get it, you were wrong
>Tell me you're fat as frick without telling me you're fat as frick
500g of dryfood is about 2400 calories, If you ate only that you'd lose weight every day.
>tell me you're anglo without telling me youre anglo
>2400 calories
>if you ate only that you'd lose weight every day
2400-2500=-100
is math hard difficult for PrepHole? This isnt even taking into account the extra calories youll burn while hiking.
Just dont burn 2500 calories then, moron.
Ok, ill tell my body to stop producing heat and oops, im dead
Insulate your skin, moron
He does, with fat.
I'm trying to carry as little weight as possible. I don't need to process large amounts of wood so I have no use for an axe head in the first place. If I did want to process large amounts of wood then I would take a smaller silky saw.
I WOULD worry about it.
Was meant for
Batoning is fantastic, precision control splitting.
I did it all the time to get a fire started by splitting a log into smaller pieces.
Now I have a folding knife and it can't do that as efficiently so I just gather some smaller twigs/leaves/grass and I found out that was a lot easier, took less energy and less risk of injury.
you might aswell use your wiener, if you cut wood like this you wont use it for anything else anyway
it's genius
Ha that's fricking ace
Where is the stick sold at?
I think REI has them for 80 bucks
Get the titanium one. It's 4 grams lighter than the wood one. It's 2 grams heavier than the carbon fiber one, but unless you've got perfect aim, it'll shatter too easily.
Also, why do people still get AIDS, and where is Tyrone's dad? These and other mysteries of the universe may never be solved.
It’s not complicated: they do it because they think it’s fun. It really is that simple. I don’t do it, as I rarely camp in the same place for more than one night, and I try to camp well off the beaten path when I can, so there’s always plenty of deadfall if I chose to start a fire. I don’t even need a axe. But that’s why they do it. It’s the same reason people use twig stoves.
>not carrying a large blade for clearing brush
this is how you can identify trailhead "bush" boys from actual explorers.
>all woods have the exact same vegitation as the ones near me
Because youtubers show them and its cool.
Same with fero rod. Like wtf just get a fricking Zippo...
Using a zippo is just as much of a larp as using a ferro rod
would take a ferro rod over a zippo 100%
Pleebs.
what is going on here
I have a genuine question for those using the saws on multitools or swiss army knives: I have owned and used both of those and i dont really see the point of a 4in saw. Any branch i would cut with such a small saw i can easily break with my bodyweight.
Whats the point then?
Maybe to start the cut off so that it snaps in a clean way? Or to clean off the jagged branch?
I use it to cut down Scotch broom. I've seen Scotch broom get almost 2 inches...I kill invasive species in a massive park and the key to killing big Scotch broom is cutting it st the base and big saws are too awkward.
BATONY CHOP CHOP
BATONY CHOP CHOP
BATONY CHOP CHOP
BATONY CHOP CHOP
to sell more knives, SERIOUSLY THATS THE ONLY REASON.
for every10-50 people that don't take it seriously, or try it out just to destroy a decent knife whether its a pocket knife, or a solid tang knife from their grandfather, they end up breaking it, decide that they had enough and just buy a hatchet/axe/awl and call it good
its the people with and often times without enough money that'll keep buying knives instead of axes or saws, and keep breaking them to chop wood like you are in an actual emergency and can't curb stomp that log, stuff flammables into the cracks and light it up
this whole batoning wood shit is to sell knives to the autistic, idiotic, seeking attention from others, wives, girlfriends, boyfriends, and wildlife probably too. they end up buying dozens of either cheap knives(slightly smarter ones), but more often than not, end up buying more and more expensive knives, even if 99% of the cost is in acid etching, stupid designs, and easy to break off shit.
this shit, on sites like this, reddit, facebook, weaving with underarm and veganal hair sites, and more are all about keeping this relevant so they keep buying knives, a usually barely profitable business, unless you export them to the UK and other regions.
>there is a global conspiracy to sell more knives
Why do you guys naturally see this everywhere. That everything is a global conspiracy.
global, nah, just here and a few places, had a self proclaimed son of a SWORD expert that went into college talking about how his dad makes all these fancy swords for people to buy and shit
and talking about how the
was the greatest thing ever for selling all those knives they just can't unload enough of to make a massive profit like all their fake swords otherwise
also wouldn't stop talking about the standard katana talk shit and how acid etchings make the blade stronger and shit
This.
All it takes is a few YouTubers and enough people on the right message boards to reach critical mass, and then the phenomenon sustains itself, no matter how stupid it is.
And make no mistake, batoning is REALLY fricking stupid. It takes a knife-something purpose-built for cutting through flesh-and uses it as a hatchet.
OF COURSE knives are not designed to handle that. That’s the entire point. The more knives that are destroyed by batonning-which voids any and all warranties due to it being classified as intentional misuse. And these are expensive knives that should have lasted through centuries of normal use and sharpening. The market for super premium knives is only so big, and once demand is sated, a whole lot of companies are going out of business. The more of these knives that can be destroyed and not need to be replaced under warranty, the more money these companies make, and the longer they stay in business.
>why aren't they using a froe?
picrel
they are pretty rare to come by. i have never seen a usable for sale and there are like 3 steelworks left still making them for ~150€ a piece.
the chink one in your is a soft piece of flat bar sold for 50 bucks
looks like bad heat treatment to blame. blade cracked & broke clean. blade should flex
Because if people discovered that there are still tens of billions of knives from the last century alone that are
A) still perfectly serviceable with a bit of sharpening,
B) just laying around in closets and dresser drawers, and
C) widely available at yard sales and flea markets for a fraction of what it costs to buy a new knife,
…the profits of the knife companies might go down. Some might even go out of business. And that’s bad. They need a way to destroy knives by the millions to keep market demand up and prices high.
Hence the videos promoting batonning.
It’s stupid, it’s pointless, and it’s a knife company shill’s best friend.
>if I don't carry an axe I'm UL
Thanks PrepHole great advice once again
>if you dont need it you shouldnt have it
I knew PrepHole was infested with coastals but jesus frick its a hatchet. You should already have a hatchet in every readiness kit you have, putting one in your PrepHole kit is simply a no brain. No risk, only potential reward.
Because a machete is better in every way in actual forests.
Settle down, we are talking about white forests right now.
Cornfricker
there is no "we"
your out of your intellectual depth
I expect you'll continue though.
Browny feeling a little downy?
Its okay bud, supply drops are on the way.
I don't speak Boomer.
All i could translate is: I don't have an argument so: dude weed lel nopa
Its okay, i understand that english is not your first language.
The argument that you already fricking replied to moron, was that the cost for carrying a hatchet is so low compared to the rewards that there is no reason to NOT carry a hatchet other than simply not wanting to.
Its ironic really, the peopl ragging on hatchets itt are actually larping as kit minimalists.
>t the cost for carrying a hatchet is so low compared to the rewards that there is no reason to NOT carry a hatchet other than simply not wanting to.
I don't NEED one, I don't even own one. I bring shelter so I don't need to build one. I bring stove so I don't NEED to make a fire AND making a fire doesn't require a hatchet.
I don't NEED a hatchet so how about I keep doing what I like to do and you keep doing what you like to do. Now we're both happy, yay.
>NEED
>NEED
>NEED
European spotted
>You should already have a hatchet in every readiness kit you have
Fatty prepper morons are leaking their moronation again.
>tree falls on the road blocking your path
>cant secure a hitch without pruning a few branches
And just like that youre done
>another made up scenario
>literally happened to me last winter
>made up scenario
Boy howdy arent you a special kind of c**t
So you're a giant pussy who's weak as frick and doesn't know how to tie the proper knot to pull a fallen tree nor how to move a tree with rope without even needing a car.
Black person how precicely do you expect to affix a rope to the trunk of a tree whose branches are so dense and jagged, let alone move the behemoth without utilizing leverage?
>Calls a vine maple a behemoth
lol
>I don't know how to tie a rope to a tree
I'll
>I don't know how to improvise a ratchet/pully system with just ropes and other trees
There is the crux of your problem...well, that and the 89iq.
>vine maple
Oh look, a coastie
...The largest trees in America and the highest forest densities are on the coast. So, admitting to living inland just makes you look even more moronic.
So you admit to being fascetious, sad.
Many such cases
if you're in a vehicle then use your chainsaw, on foot climb over
I've seen black people while PrepHole
jesus christ did they have axes?
will baton like mad
This thread has devolved into
>carry an item you dont ever require or you're weak
All of you, every one of you is a lost lamb. This is the answer for which you have searched your entire lives:
why is every hobby in existence just a front for gear gayging
Big knifes can bring some inexperienced users towards them. Looking at the "solid" chunk of metal people think something like "wow, this is a knife that Rambo would use".
Personally, knife I was using the longest was the rather small knife from the equivalent of Scouts in my country. The thing is, it had dull edge, as it was mostly symbolic, but the steel used was high quality, so nothing was stopping handy people from sharpening it. Being on many camps/hikes/outdoor stuff I never had a thought of "wow, I would really want a bigger knife for my current task".
Pic related.
I would understand batoning if it wasn't for the fact that axe and hatched exist
you Black folk literally destroy your tools for marketing bullshit