Why are modern soldiers such pussies?

Why are modern soldiers such pussies? They constantly moan and complain about ptsd because they served a year as a drone operator that bombed dudes from an air conditioned room 3000km away from the front.
Then you have ye olde roman legionnaires that had to fight in hand to hand combat for 20 years where a single scratch could kill you just so that they could receive a house and citizenship and they didnt say shit

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    thinking is the problem. don't think and no problem.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Too many grunts fell for le honorable warrior memes. Just kill people and accept that's life.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Le honorable warrior meme isn't what pussified the military, the honorable warrior meme is what's fueled motivation for militaries since the history of time, and there's foundation in it. What's pussifying militaries is our increased standard of life where every day life is so luxurious that doing away with it is quite a lot to ask for for many, and rightfully so.
        tl;dr Basic human psychology as it pertains to modern society.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What's pussifying militaries is our increased standard of life where every day life is so luxurious that doing away with it
          Most of the people joining the military aren't really giving up their lifestyle though. Drone operators drive back to their Las Vegas apartment and stop at chick fil a on the way. Thats not really what's causing ptsd. Luxury isn't the issue. It's pointless. The drone operator can't comprehend why he is doing what he's told to do. In other warfare it was simple. Bad tribe invaded our lands, we go kill them.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and they didnt say shit
    how do you know

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He doesn't, hes just a retard. Plenty of evidence shows soldiers of the past had massive amounts of ptsd

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they didnt say shit
    Yeah they were just constantly mutinying and overthrowing the republic or emperor and installing a new dude who promised them better lives.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you served in the military?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any bum moron off the street can get free section 8 housing and welfare checks and Hispanics are jumping the border en masse to get free citizenship. No benefit in being a career soldier anymore in the age of unmanned warfare.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >free section 8 housing and welfare checks
      Tell that to the homeless vets everywhere. Clearly, VA has a lot of cracks you can slip through.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        FYI most of the homeless people you see wearing old ACU’s and holding up signs that say they’re veterans are lying. They know people are more likely to give them money if they think they’re vets

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Section 8 waiting lists are years long and most places, even ghetto shit holes, won't take them.

      Food stamps are a lot easier to get. People who jump across the border get to stay but don't get citizenship, that's part of the whole reason the system is so retarded. You get the bad parts of an exploitable poor population that drives down wages, drives up rents, and whose kids need more special services, and none of the good parts of growing the ranks of functioning citizens.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        b-but giving them citizenship would be.... LE BAD

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > all modern soldiers are drone operators

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Soldiers used to be from tough rural areas, already used to the kind of hardships in the military, except killing maybe, life got more comfortable and easy specially on the first world, so you know, soft people more fragility, but if you look at the current war you can see that it could be easily reverted.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the whole "hard life hard people" thing doesnt fuckin hold up under scrutiny. Yes, some people are discplined and some aren't -- but if you take a beduin or a farmer and put em in the army, they wont do inherently better than some motherfucker from uni of NYC or whatever.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the principle behind it isn't that hard lives make people hard, it's that hard lives kill off anyone who isn't hard.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What’s the death rate of 14-34 year olds in Afghanistan vs the US? I doubt it’s actually that much higher.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            source: https://www.macrotrends.net/
            AFGANISTAN
            >annual death rate: 6 per 1000 people
            >annual infant mortality rate: 46 deaths per 1000 live births
            UNITED STATES
            >annual death rate: 9 per 1000 people
            >annual infant mortality rate: 5 per 1000 live births
            A bit different

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah Anon you're right! We should force all civilians to drink dirty water, poison themselves with unsafe food, and have them do almost EVERYTHING by hand. Then we will be able to match the standards of the average Roman Citizen. Then we can get REAL soldiers.

    Also, shitting is public, and you all must use one sponge.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the point is, why cant soldiers today shut the fuck up considering they have it so much better?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern humans live rather safe and comfortable lives in the West, and as such, they have become soft. However due to us currently being on the Fallout Timeline, we may have some tougher men soon.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Closest we came to fallout timeline was the Cuban missile crisis. How else are we going to keep the aesthetics?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have a fusion powered floating robot butler, but it's still serving me coffee from a perculator.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That robot probably gets more housewife cunt than either dude.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post-apocalyptic humans discover a hoard of Fallout concept art and decide that this was what the long-destroyed paradise their ancestors dwelt in was like and try to replicate it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Post-apocalyptic humans discover a hoard of art that starts all white people and ends with black people when the world ends

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If shitty living conditions provide so much strength why did slave/peasant revolts usually fail?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Weapons technology.

            A knight on horse back armed with sword, spear, shield, some chain mail and maybe even some sort of missile weapon like a light crossbow could pwn a dozen unarmored peasants weilding pitchforks.

            Hell, I think there is a historical acccount of a trio of knights holding a gate from a peasant mob.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The slaves lacked the training, numbers and discipline the Roman army had. That is why they lost.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ergo, shitty conditions don't mean better soldiers or warriors

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >stop caring about mental health lmao just go have a nice day quietly in a corner omg

          >Modern humans live rather safe and comfortable lives in the West, and as such, they have become soft
          This a meme borne of the jealousy of inferior cultures.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And there is nothing wrong with being soft.
          Being "hard" and "strong" doesn't win wars, superior technology and training do.
          A pussy with proper training and kit is always going to be mote effective than the most raped Russian conscript.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now you are exagerating, there will be no use in giving all training and high tech equipment for a coward who at the first sight of danger will just abandon his position and equipment to hide, surrender or desert.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And so will Ivan Conscriptovich, because he knows anything is better than going home and getting raped for another 3 months.
              The only way to make a soldier is effective is by giving them the most safe and most comfortable experience possible.
              Besides, you think any westerner would take a Russian PoW camp or "becoming Russian" over risking their lives and coming home?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm actually talking about what happened in Afghanistan, but you are already going for the football game between Ukros and Ruskies for no reason.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What happened in Afghanistan? Our cowardly boys went there did their jobs, moaned and complained and when the order came in they went home. Great success on the part of the soldiers, if you ask me.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ours sure, now about the army we built from the ground to stay there...

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What happened in Afghanistan? Our cowardly boys went there did their jobs, moaned and complained and when the order came in they went home. Great success on the part of the soldiers, if you ask me.

                The afghani people don’t give a fuck about who’s in charge because outside Kabul, your life doesn’t get affected by who’s running the country.
                Even the Iraqis are failing at this. The Iraqi government we made isn’t working too well. The issue is that we use a western mindset and assume that Joe Shmoe from Iraq actually cares about who is President more than whether or not he will be had attacked in the morning
                >t. Married an Iraqi immigrant and converted to Islam

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Based fellow Arab wife appreciator but I don't convert. I still maintain that if soldiers got to fuck arabic women during the forever wars in the MENA region nobody'd have any PTSD at all. Hell dudes would form rape gangs for 3 foot tall asian girls during Vietnam and they turned out pretty well, all the PTSD shit from Vietnam was people wanting giebs

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Based fellow Arab wife appreciator but I don't convert. I still maintain that if soldiers got to fuck arabic women during the forever wars in the MENA region nobody'd have any PTSD at all. Hell dudes would form rape gangs for 3 foot tall asian girls during Vietnam and they turned out pretty well, all the PTSD shit from Vietnam was people wanting giebs

                >racemixers on PrepHole

                Your children will grow up to be 4chantards

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You honestly believe mixed race people lose anything? Race honestly means nothing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"if we racemix, we'll have a beautiful blended future where everyone's at peace and shit"
                >genetically confused spawn become obnoxious 4chan users instead

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >converted to Islam
                You understand if you try to back out or question it your own in-laws will murder you. You sold your soul to a death cult for pussy. Just so we're clear.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So the soft, pampered westerners were totally invincible on the battlefield and the poverty hardened ANA melted instantly?

                not really a big win for suffering stronk

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That would make sense if the US had conscription and not a volunteer army at the time where most of the people came from rural areas or were people looking for some adventure or violence, soft people serve better giving support away from the battlefield.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Rural people in America are soft as duck dude, going duck hunting with your pa and riding a tractor doesn’t make you into a hardened badass

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Soft people are not cowards. Being more in touch with your emotions can lead to extremely powerful outcomes in the right environment. Being hard makes you inflexible, worth, or apathetic.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Being "hard" and "strong" doesn't win wars, superior technology and training do.

            Not necessarily. I would argue that the Mujahideen prevailed both times because their resolve and willingness to die was greater than their Soviet and American opponents. What they lacked in technology and training was made up for by the kind of sheer fanatical determination that only comes from a goat farmer who scrapes by on the literal top of the world, who will be damned if he's gonna let those arrogant lowlanders, with riches he couldn't even imagine, come here and take what little he does have.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              The Mujihadeen that fought the Soviets were not the Taliban. And the Taliban did not win against the Americans, but they succeeded precisely because they weren't mindless zealots looking to die.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The Mujihadeen that fought the Soviets were not the Taliban.

                The Taliban are a splinter faction of the larger Mujahideen. Most Taliban, young and old, still consider themselves to be Mujahideen.

                >And the Taliban did not win against the Americans

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Taliban won
                Clearly. Because now that those nasty ZOGbots and sjws cleared out, its become a hub of commerce and freedom, rig-
                >Child marriage (But at least we got the pedophile garden gnomes out, amirite?)
                >Insurgency against Taliban by Islamic State
                >No Air Force
                >No infastructure
                >24 Million at risk of starvation
                The Taliban are about to find out how hard controlling Afghanistan is.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                they sqaured off against the US for twenty fucking years to get control of that shithole, now let them eat thier cake

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Child marriage (But at least we got the pedophile garden gnomes out, amirite?)

                I mean, that's literally a part of Afghan culture. One might even say that's one of the things they fought for. You and I find it repulsive, but to them, it's as natural as teenagers fucking in the back of a car.

                >The Taliban are about to find out how hard controlling Afghanistan is.

                They literally hold more of it now than they did in the 90s. They've even got a uniformed police and army. There is no Northern Alliance, no Massoud to oppose them. Just some broken fragments of the ANA and ISIS.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >duhh they won cuz da amercuns lefd
                >20 years of getting gigastomped on every combat field to the point where your entire military had to retreat and hide in pakistan where the americans couldnt chase you for several years several times to rebuild numbers (again) to come out to get roflstomped on again over and over
                >duh da taliban wun

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >spend a whole game getting shit on
                >lead player gets bored and leaves to another game becuase I'm just that far under him
                >ha I am the victor

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing about their victory was about military prowess. They simply hid and waited until the Americans gave up on trying to fund and arm the extremely corrupt Afghans and then just left. Then the Taliban crawled back out of their holes and took the country back virtually without opposition.
              Against the Soviets, they were slightly more involved, and they actually managed to kill some of them and do some damage. Granted, the Soviets were pretty genocidal and killed millions of civilians, but even against them, the Mujahideen did relatively poorly, taken massive casualties against a military as incompetent as the Soviet one.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They simply hid and waited until the Americans gave up on trying to fund and arm the extremely corrupt Afghans and then just left
                >killed 2,000 Americans and wounded tens of thousands more

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >conveniently doesn't posted the actual casualty list

                Taliban's got the better score

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So, only 3500 dead.

                Of the people that matter that is.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >fight 20 year long war to prop up Afghan government
                >NO NO THEIR CASUALTIES DON'T COUNT

                And then you have the gall to give them shit for abandoning their positions rather than fighting and dying for your lost cause.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I won't pretend to cope and say that the US succeeded in their mission of stabilising Afghanistan in any way.
                But on the other hand nobody can also claim that the coalition was in any way shape or form defeated militarily(or even politically I would dare)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you can't admit the loss means you are destined to try the same shit again and not-lose after spending trillions, killing millions and leaving your enemies stronger than before and in total control as opposed to nearly contesting the country.

                I can guarantee you the Taliban will still be ruling and celebrating their victory while the US has collapsed, they already live in an everlasting godforsaken shithole and have nothing to lose.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >trying the same shit

                Yea, nah. I think they got burned pretty good on Afghanistan and will re-evaluate their approach to guerrilla wars and nation building in the future.
                Luckily, the Russians were gracious and retarded enough to kick off a major conventional war. And the Americans aren't gonna lose a conventional war against that post Soviet corpse-state.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And the Americans aren't gonna lose a conventional war against that post Soviet corpse-state.
                >implying any war against Russia is staying conventional

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I admit the political loss though.
                It's just that the Taliban were not capable in any way shape or form to combat coalition troops with any success.
                This is irrefutable.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And yet they were. They were consistently able to prevent coalition troops from gaining a meaningful foothold in their main base areas, and scored their fair share of tactical successes against them. THAT is what's irrefutable.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >tactical

                Irrelevant

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >2000 killed over 20 years
                >100 dead a year
                Sounds safer than Chicago.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They consistently kicked the shit out of the ANA in battle, held control of entire provinces for most of the whole thing, and built an overall very efficient and well-organised military apparatus with everything from procurement&logistics to medical services to planning staffs to internal policing. They created entire parallel government structures across a wide swathe of the country, and ones often more effective than the ones the Americans&Co. built. They didn't "simply hide" by any remotely sane definition. Big part why the ANA collapsed so fast at the end was because years and years of attrittion trying to fight the Taliban had hollowed it out.

                So, only 3500 dead.

                Of the people that matter that is.

                >"If we declare that the people we lose don't matter, we'll always have the better k/d ratio!"

                Literal vatnik-tier thinking. (See donbabwean/lugandan militias.)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I get kinda miffed when people prop up Afghanistan as an example of the US military being "weak" or whatever.
                Afghanistan is a massive clusterfuck of different religions and ethnicities smashed into difficult terrain which offers a difficult challenge to any military no matter how strong. The burgers acquitted themselves very well and sustained incredibly small casualties over two decades.

                Also, I think that American chauvinism caused them to heavily misunderstand Afghan culture which caused further difficulties

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Thats like saying I defeated my rapist uncle through superior resolve because I hid in the wall until he got bored and left the house.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If that prevented you from being raped, then it was a success. This is where I/d fags fail.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Meant k/d fags.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Thats like saying I defeated my rapist uncle through superior resolve because I hid in the wall until he got bored and left the house.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Thats like saying I defeated my rapist uncle through superior resolve because I hid in the wall until he got bored and left the house.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, my objective of not being raped was a success.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Except in this case the uncle kept finding them in the wall and fucking them until they escaped to the nighbors house where he couldnt fuck them until they got the stones to come back and then they got fucked again

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >soft

          This is false, western people can do so much more.

          Look at people living in poverty, they become thieving, lying, dishonest rats who are not hard, they succumb to mental health issues all the time and treat them with alcohol, drugs and suicide - also, would sell their grandmother for a tiny bit of a better life.

          Stop living in brown people fantasy, white western people are the apex of humanity and the rest are not harder but weaker in character and skills.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How about you volunteer and serve for a for years yourself before talking mad shit like that from the comfort of your mom's basement?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You should watch "All quiet on the western front" and reconsider your opinion.
        The only difference from now and ww1 is that civilians understand slightly more about the reality of being a soldier sent to die/kill others.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >all quiet on the western front
          lmao
          Written by some retard who never actually fought based on what someone may have told him. You know war is horrible but not everyone is a pussy, there were plenty of veterans of the first world war who went to war again enthusiastically.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You know that he fought for 2 years, was shot in the throat, wounded by shrapnel &received an iron cross first class.
            Source: Prussian service lists, wounded servicemen list of 1917.
            Don't pull stuff out of your ass you gay.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think WWI should be set off to it's self. Most of the problems came from lack of sleep caused by the constant shelling, concussion from explosions and a lack of R&R. You often weren't let out of the trenches unless you were injured or sent to another area. That war was unlike any before or since.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern humans live rather safe and comfortable lives in the West, and as such, they have become soft. However due to us currently being on the Fallout Timeline, we may have some tougher men soon.

        It's actually shocking for me how brutal the melee fighting must have been. Dudes were fighting with gians knives trying to murder each other any means necessary. Shooting someone with a rifle from a distance sounds like a cakewalk compared.

        Dumbasses

        PTSD has always existed they just couldn’t always identify it. Ajax killed himself in the iliad, Shakespeare’s Coriolanus is about a soldier who cannot re-integrate into society.

        War is also a lot louder now a days. Nobody was being blown up with grenades or shredded by gunfire during the Roman era

        only poster who gets it

        Shell shock, PTSD, has always existed. It was more manageable when you had to spend months after armistice in a post-war occupation force and then take a ride on ship for months back to your own country and decompress while surrounded by your fellow soldiers who understood what you'd been through. It also helped when your parents' generation had all served in a major war too - think WW2 vet whose father served in WW1, Vietnam vet whose father served in WW2 and uncle served in Korea, British GWOT vet whose father served in Northern Ireland.

        The other MASSIVE issue is CTE damage and TBIs. I got blown up 16 times over 3 deployments to Afghanistan and had 3 separate IEDs go off on foot patrols. I thought I had PTSD I went to psychologists for 10 years until I got referred to a neurologist and got a PET scan and found out I had severely reduced bloodflow to parts of my brain and lesions to my brain which made me sleep 12 hours per day, forget my words and lose my temper. I ended up having dozens of rounds of ECT starting this year and I'm starting to see improvements.

        The problem is just as much physiological as it is psychological and nobody knew this until a few years ago. Research is only improving in this field

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I got blown up 16 times over 3 deployments to Afghanistan and had 3 separate IEDs go off on foot patrols. I thought I had PTSD I went to psychologists for 10 years until I got referred to a neurologist and got a PET scan and found out I had severely reduced bloodflow to parts of my brain and lesions to my brain which made me sleep 12 hours per day, forget my words and lose my temper. I ended up having dozens of rounds of ECT starting this year and I'm starting to see improvements.
          "your injuries are not service related"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck. Did they rate you 100% for all that?

          >I got blown up 16 times over 3 deployments to Afghanistan and had 3 separate IEDs go off on foot patrols. I thought I had PTSD I went to psychologists for 10 years until I got referred to a neurologist and got a PET scan and found out I had severely reduced bloodflow to parts of my brain and lesions to my brain which made me sleep 12 hours per day, forget my words and lose my temper. I ended up having dozens of rounds of ECT starting this year and I'm starting to see improvements.
          "your injuries are not service related"

          >"your injuries are not service related"
          kek

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's quite the ordeal anon.
          Damn I hope VA didn't/doesn't fuck you.

          Vote for someone that's going to improve the VA anon.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        War is so much more of a minfuck than right now. Back then you were in formation with your lads, there was no ear splitting artillery, casualties were much lower compared to modern warfare, and you had much greater control of your situation as a soldier since the risk of instant and unavoidable death is also much lower. Much less of a psychological nightmare than it is today.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >clanging of swords and armor
          >battle cries, sounds of dead and dying
          >being stuck in a formation with nowhere to run when faced with a cavalry/elephant charge
          >choosing between raising your shield to block missiles or keeping your front safe

          I'm not saying that artillery and bombs aren't terrible on the mind, but war was always loud and your personal ability to save your skin wasn't much more than today. It was very psychological, in fact psychological warfare was a thing. To me it seems like it's 'not knowing when/how death is coming vs being able to see it comin ond not being able to do much about it

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thinking that you can do something about your death is a huge psychological difference then feeling helpless about it regardless of the realities. This is why in Napoleonic era combat it was really difficult to stop soldiers begin blazing away out of range when under fire from cannons or why airstrikes in WW2 were so effective even though the damage they did was most often very low

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know right? why advance society

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why can't YOU shut the fuck up instead?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        war has gotten a lot less personal and a lot more brutal thank to aircraft, guns, artillery, tanks, bombs and drones
        you could be chilling out then just insantly die from a drone strike, or get offed by a sniper without any warning
        that coupled with much much higher death rates (world war 2 killed like an equivalent to the entire roman empires population) makes war pretty awful on the human brain

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Much higher death rates
          The opposite actually. The total number killed is far higher, because populations are orders of magnitude higher. The percentage of the populations or combatants killed in wars has been going down over time.

          The World Wars aren't near the top at all for percentage of the population in combatant countries killed or death rates for actual soldiers. Not by a long shot.

          However, the World Wars do end up near or at the top of the percentage of the world population killed in a single conflict, owing to the concentration of world population in Europe and China at the time.

          But within Europe alone the European Wars of Religion were far more deadly than the World Wars in Europe, it's just that Europe was a smaller share of the world population then.

          The Thirty Years War killed around a third of the German population. The French Hugonaut Wars also killed as much as 27% of the population. To put it in perspective, France had a population a third smaller than Syria in 2011 at the outset of the conflict, and yet 2-4 million died versus 400,000-600,000 in Syria.

          You have a handful of major conflicts, all from antiquity or the middle ages from what I'm aware, where 66-80% of all combatants died by the end of the conflict.

          No recent wars have totally depopulated areas recently.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because they lack conviction for what they're doing.
        If you don't have complete conviction for what you're fighting for then you start questioning your actions and regret the horrific things you've been through.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe we should just start recruiting Indians

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those fucking retard-historians on YouTube and that FUCKING SPONGE. It's been said over and over that the sponge was an ancient toilet brush, but thanks to dumbasses like "Simple History", people keep repeating this false fact. Fucking modern garden gnometubers ruin everything.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was called hysteria back then and it was written about considered a war wound.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Caesar said his legions were always griping in the book he wrote

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We live in the same timeline where man cut their balls and demand to be treated as a woman and you are concerned with someone who had an actual trauma.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we live in a timeline where
      ~9000 sex reassignment operations per year in the US, so 0.002% of the population does this annually. You have been tricked by bad actors and controversy-chasing social media algorithms into thinking it is common when it is actually irrelevant.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This place is obsessed with morons and trannies. It's about war and PSTD and they managed to wedge their schizoid obsessive into the thread

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          shut the fuck up incel

          You got the wrong site, reddit is that way

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So irelevant that I have to hear on every political discussion, tv shows, hiring quotas, preferential treatment, can't even complain about showing this to kids without risking being fined or worse, is not irelevant at all

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          shut the fuck up incel

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Plebbit chud spotted
            You're an incel too, given that no man wants to fuck your axe wound, and all Lesbians are grossed out by your hulking appearance.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >"it barely ever happens but you think it does because social media deliberately amplifies how often you hear about it"
          >"if that's true then why do i keep hearing about it?"
          Incredible retard, fuck off back to containment and keep pretending you have an IQ over 90

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah bro, only social media, that's why I have to undergo diversity training and watch my thoughts at work less I offend the wrong people calling it the wrong pronoun, must be great in the third world you live away from this.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >"men in the West cut off their dicks"
              >"no they don't"
              >"alright no they don't but what about diversity training"
              Just go back to 4chan and stop inflicting your wrong opinions on everyone else

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No gun no opinion.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What? when did I say they didn't cut their dicks, you went out of your way to bring stat saying they do, the rest of my post was talking about the bs about that being only a social media thing when in fact is a govt thing on every policy nowadays.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You hear about it because you bitch about it. You bitch about it because you hear it.

          Grow the fuck up and leave it alone.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You have been tricked by bad actors
        Unless anon IS the bad actor.

        This place is obsessed with morons and trannies. It's about war and PSTD and they managed to wedge their schizoid obsessive into the thread

        >This place is obsessed with morons and trannies
        Because it's the vatnik strategy to divide western society, 90% of the controversy about trans/transphobia is driven by vatniks, vatnik bots and western vatnik agents. The other 10% are just exploiting the controversy for attention, money and votes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not entirely true.
        The whole deal with transsexuals being pushed in America and the west is very real, and the number of people who identify as the opposite sex has skyrocketed. They've basically made it trendy and created a new, imaginary victim group. Pretending this isn't happening is insane. It's particularly common in entertainment products aimed at young people and mass-consumers, and in just a matter of years, this shit has appeared in a vast amount of movies, TV shows and video games. Hell, most video games with character creation now has chud options. Even if that in itself is fairly harmless on the surface, it goes to show what a huge cultural impact it's had in a very short amount of time, and how effective they are at pushing their agenda.
        Having said that, it's true that "bad actors" are using this for their divide and conquer tactics, particularly the Russian gays and their useful idiots, but that doesn't mean the problem isn't real to begin with.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Trannies are almost all previous rape victims.

      >we live in a timeline where
      ~9000 sex reassignment operations per year in the US, so 0.002% of the population does this annually. You have been tricked by bad actors and controversy-chasing social media algorithms into thinking it is common when it is actually irrelevant.

      For every castrati there are many more cross dressers, hormone takers, and regular gays. It's all part of the same thing.

      This place is obsessed with morons and trannies. It's about war and PSTD and they managed to wedge their schizoid obsessive into the thread

      Post gun

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm actually a chud. Is there anything you'd like to ask me?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >PrepHoleeddit 80% spike since march be like

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, a lot of 4chan are chuds so it skews the demographic

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'd ask you to post gun.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm too poor to buy a gun

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              make a pipe bomb

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Stop buying estrogen then

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They constantly moan and complain about ptsd because they served a year as a drone operator that bombed dudes from an air conditioned room 3000km away from the front.

    drone operators experience a kind of voyeuristic close-ness to their target before hitting them with a missile
    romans didnt stalk a target through a camera for minutes or even hours before smiting them from the heavens and watching them get blown to pieces in real-time

    and humans are good at compartmentalizing brutal experiences as long as they happen in short bursts
    romans would spend less than 1% of their time fighting, even a bloody fight they can put behind them if theres enough time between such violent events to allow them to process it

    but try repeating the same cycle of "spy, shoot, repeat" for a week, and its going to wear down on the operator
    and the fact that they are looked down upon by other people for the fact they do the dirty business through a screen means no sympathy and no support and they just kind of have to keep all that in
    no shit you can get PTSD from firing missiles from a drone if you do it often enough

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You do know why Alexander turned back from India, right?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Got a whiff of the smell and thought better probably.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and they didnt say shit
    How many 2000+ year old Roman legionaries do you personally know?

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Romans also had PTSD.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Boohoo I watched my friends and comrades get blown into inanimate chunks of meat. I saw the literal death of innocent as little kids were being mowed down. Any of these things could have happened to me. Any of these people could have been me.
    grow up

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I saw the literal death of innocent as little kids were being mowed down
      He probably was the one mowing them

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >they didn't say shit
    Except for various revolts and uprisings of course. And men coming home from war changed or being haunted by the ghosts of the fallen is a tale literally as old as oral storytelling

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually shocking for me how brutal the melee fighting must have been. Dudes were fighting with gians knives trying to murder each other any means necessary. Shooting someone with a rifle from a distance sounds like a cakewalk compared.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Shooting someone with a rifle from a distance sounds like a cakewalk compared.

      And then you're on a quiet patrol and suddenly the guy in front of you who you were just chatting with gets his head blown off by a sniper, or gets blown to smithereens by a mine/grenade/mortar shell.

      People back then at least most of the time knew they were in a fight and that there was gonna be imminent bloodshed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And then you're on a quiet patrol and suddenly the guy in front of you who you were just chatting with gets his head blown off by a sniper, or gets blown to smithereens by a mine/grenade/mortar shell.
        Pretty much. Being an inch away from death at all times really fucks you up. It's a state of constant high stress.

        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dH7Wt5QEQwc

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I once heard someone say that if a soldier from any time before the mid-1800s saw what modern combat was like, he'd be shocked at how every engagement is (by his standards) a sudden ambush filled with impossibly deadly weapons.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's right. War even into the 1800's used to be about morale. About getting the enemy to run and keeping your side stable. The death happened in the route. Since ww1 war has been about death.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            War was always about death. The Thirty Years War killed almost 3 times the share of the German population as both World Wars combined. If you scale France's deaths from the Hugonaut Wars up to their WWI population it's 7-11 million dead versus 1.4 million for WWI.

            Wars follow a power law distribution with most clustered at a low share of the population killed, but ones that are many many times larger not being extreme outliers the way they would be in a normal distribution.

            In general, wars have gotten far less deadly over time as a share of all the people killed in effected areas. This is largely to do with economics, in that populations don't starve from the disruptions of war. Where the economy is still near subsistence levels, deaths are very high still relative to small arms sizes (hence The Congo Wars being the highest death toll wars since WWII by a large margin). Indiscriminate slaughter and slavery used to also be far more acceptable, which led to higher death tolls.

            The First Crusade lost 60-80% of its men by most estimated. Even the Eastern Front comes nowhere near that for combatants. Muslim armies also appear to have taken horrific losses for the times, in excess of 50% for the main battles, and then most of the population was put to the sword in the major sacks. Certainly WWI wasn't more about death than wars that radically depopulated the effected areas and killed most of the combatants involved.

            What was different is arguably the amount of time engaged in battle, although I think people underestimate the stress of living off forage on the march, starvation, and pestilence sweeping through armies in some of these wars.

            My bet is that it has more to do with the range of acceptable behaviors back then. Tortures and executions were entertainment. People would torture cats for sport in the street. Beating your family wouldn't get you a domestic charge. Mistreating slaves was largely your own business. PTSD wouldnt show.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Also, the population tends to recover faster and higher standards take hold again in modern times. You could visit Dresden or Warsaw in the 50s and find modern cities with repairs.

              You couldn't visit Carthage after the Romans. You couldn't visit The bed after Alexander. There was no more Thebes and no more Thebians.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Humans were designed to kill people in close combat retard. Why would something natural for our species break us. Ranged modern warefare with snipers, arty, bombers, and drones. Is something our monkey brains can't handle. Hidden ever present death. Human fists are better weapons than any primates.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      on top of that, ancient combat normally involved fighting shoulder to shoulder with your neighbors and relatives. so you'd see almost everyone you care about fighting for their lives and potentially dying due to a mistake on your part.
      i think some historians have noted that the quantity of blood on an ancient battlefield wouldve greatly surpassed a modern one due to the size of wounds melee weapons leave, even though modern weapons can blow people up,

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Proportionally less people died in melee compared to gunfights. It's just getting to the fight itself in those ages without dying of disease was a trip and a half.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are full of shit OP

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PTSD has always existed they just couldn’t always identify it. Ajax killed himself in the iliad, Shakespeare’s Coriolanus is about a soldier who cannot re-integrate into society.

    War is also a lot louder now a days. Nobody was being blown up with grenades or shredded by gunfire during the Roman era

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Combat was actually extremely unlikely to kill you by comparison, and hand to hand combat causes less severe ptsd. I don't disagree though, modern people in general are pansies.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bros can someone explain this weird feeling?
    I’m an infantryman in the USMC - I enlisted not long ago. Anyways, I look at pic related and I feel sad. Like I know some countries and soldiers are enemies, but I don’t WANT to hurt them, you know? Like I will kill them because I have to, but it pains me to think that even your enemy has a family.

    Can someone explain this? Idk how to describe the exact feeling. I have no problem killing in my job, but if I sit and think about it, it’s depressing.

    I know several Vietnamese or German or Japanese people and I have no hate in my heart for them. I understand if times were different I’d have to kill my friends, and it feels odd.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      every human being is like you in the end. They had a childhood, parents that loved them, stories and dreams.
      Ignore this and just kill them, this benefits your leaders and this is why you exist

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what did i tell you

      thinking is the problem. don't think and no problem.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sonder
      All soldiers are noble and brothers, because they are noble enough to put their lives on the line for their country and countrymen, and brothers because they all share the same goal, even on opposing sides.
      War weaponizes brotherhood
      In the end we're only turning our guns on each other, funny

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're overthinking it.
      Thinking about that stuff's no good for you, put it out of your mind and move on.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're not a psycho that is why.
      It is one thing to do your military duty.
      Or oppose force and coercion.
      It's another thing to feel.
      If you are going to review someone before you kill them, you are going to be ineffective.
      Anyone can make a sob story to stop you from letting them fulfill their mission.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You're not a psycho that is why.
        That’s a bug, don’t worry China is patching that out with their newest models.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You should watch the WW1 documentary "They Shall Not Grow". A lot fo the British soldiers thought highly of the Germans and didn't really think they should be fighting each other. They especially felt this way after talking with PoWs. But they saw the war as a job that need to be finished and did what they had to do regardless.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are in all likelihood, the right person to be a soldier.
      Killing is not something a soldier should enjoy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why tf would you enlist after covid was it fun going through boot camp in a gay mask. Also whats it like being fully vaxxed and boosted goypiggy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be honest, I don't really hate the Chinese or the Norks, but I'd do almost anything to see the CCP or Kim regime torn down. Just something that really boils my oil seeing those guys acting beyond their station. At least here we're allowed to vote against it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      jarhead discovers basic human empathy, is dumbfounded, news at 11

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I have no problem killing in my job, but if I sit and think about it, it’s depressing.
      It's called shame, perhaps relating to the fact you admit you have no issues killing random people on the other side of the planet who pose no threat to your countrymen.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Like I know some countries and soldiers are enemies, but I don’t WANT to hurt them, you know?
      Look at how often Democracies go to war with each other compared to dictatorships (including dictatorial pseudo-democracies like Russia).

      The more say people have in government, the less likely we are to go to war and when we do, it's usually against tyrannies.

      Democracy is literally the path to world peace, or as close as we'll get to it.

      >march for months
      >battle for six hours
      >either win or you're dead
      >march for months to the next battle
      versus
      >land in country
      >within days or even hours you're being shot at and bombed all hours of the day
      >this will continue until you die or are rotated off the front
      >you and everyone around you could at any moment be turned into red mist
      yeah wonder why modern war fucks people up a bit more

      >land in country
      >within days or even hours you're being shot at and bombed all hours of the day
      Drone operators are even worse, they wake up at home, make coffee and eggs, then are bombing people by mid-morning.
      Then go home and check the kids homework while thinking about the wedding party they just vaporised on the other side of the planet.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Democracy is literally the path to world peace
        That's an odd way to put it. To what extent democracy works relies on the population that makes up the country. A civilized, intelligent population with a common culture and sense of unity is more likely to adopt democracy and make it work without widespread corruption.
        There are plenty of countries that have tried democracy and failed miserably, because they can't make it work for a variety of reason. Democracy is more the end result, than the cause.
        Of course, that's likely going to change in the coming decades, as the third world grows larger, and the good countries are increasingly populated by bad people with no historical or cultural connection to the country.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why the fuck did you join then? Your whole job is about killing another human. I know several Muslims and even worked for them for a time, but if some Arab came at me with a sword, I'm going to kill him. You should get out ASAP.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That guy has too much sense and humanity to be used as an attack dog for rich people's profits.

        Now, your brain-dead low iq psychos on the other hand, they should be sent to war and put down like the mad chain-dogs they are afterwards, a mere disposable puppet for a higher intelligence to be used and discarded like shitpaper.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So he's dead?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        formerly alive

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. That was recovered from his body.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's called empathy, and it is a part of what allows human beings to function among other human beings. It is normal to feel this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      PrepHole recommended this book about Viet Cong tunnels and it described a type of soldier who relished hunting and killing the enemy. There was one tunnel rat sergeant who basically said to his LT, "you know what your main problem is? you're not a killer". When most people would do anything to avoid going into those tunnels, tunnel rats like that sergeant absolutely lived for it.

      Then there were the psyops dudes, who knew their enemy had families, really missed and worried about them, and purposefully exploited that knowledge to weaken them.

      Conversely, there was also a story of a hardened VC guerrilla (female), who was about to cap the fuck out of three GIs. She spied on them from a tunnel, saw then reading letters and sharing photos, decided to give them a moment's grace, but then the GIs started crying on each other. They eventually had some food and left. This guerilla had every reason to hate Americans and kill those three GIs but couldn't after realizing those were probably conscripts taken to a war far far away, and missed their families real bad etc. She was tried by the communists but they let her go, given her previous service record and I think what was an implied understanding by the commissar about the 'human' element to that situation.

      Basically all this tldr is me trying to relate what I read from this book as examples of how war is just one big motherfucker and you're forced to come to incredible extremes in it, and do things you would never ever come across otherwise. Feeling sorry for having to kill the enemy would be a perfectly valid feeling in the midst of all that, even if sometimes that's just completely incompatible with what needs to be done.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > It's a hell of a thing, killing a man.
      > You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.

      and also
      > When we're on the mission,
      > I keep count of how many ninjas
      > my father killed.

      > He says not to keep count,
      > just to pray for their souls.

      > But if I don't keep count,
      > I don't know how many
      > souls to pray for.

      > So I keep count.
      > So far it's 342.

      Godspeed, soldier

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      War is a scam.

      Thankfully, we try not to start it over stupid bullshit in the modern era, Well, unless you're Russian.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be me
      >former soldier
      >now farmer
      >realize male animals are castrated or slaughtered early
      >realize humans are the same

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >humans invent new terrifying ways of instantly killing you no matter where you are
    >war gets more scary
    Thank you for being an excellent example of the idea that people grow fonder of war the further they are from it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could you imagine Roman legions dealing with napalm?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, Greek fire was used by the eastern Roman empire.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They were familiar with incendiary weapons, so they'd probably be able to accept napalm as just being a deadlier example.
        Now imagine a century of legionaries marching down a road in tight column and suddenly half of them are dead and the rest bleeding all because of a single claymore mine. How would the survivors mentally process what had happened? Such a sudden, unexpected, and instantaneous mass slaughter happening during a routine task they performed almost daily--- and all without an obvious explanation of what had caused it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Now imagine a century of legionaries marching down a road in tight column
          now imagine an A10

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Greek fire was similar to Napalm.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >march for months
    >battle for six hours
    >either win or you're dead
    >march for months to the next battle
    versus
    >land in country
    >within days or even hours you're being shot at and bombed all hours of the day
    >this will continue until you die or are rotated off the front
    >you and everyone around you could at any moment be turned into red mist
    yeah wonder why modern war fucks people up a bit more

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >within days or even hours you're being shot at and bombed all hours of the day
      Quite sure OP was talking about the low intensity insurgency wars we fought on middle east and afghan and not about the high intensity ones like vietnam or current ukraine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        okay then the flow goes like this
        >land in country
        >could be killed by some goatfucker lobbing mortars at your fob while you sleep
        >anytime you step outside the wire there is a good chance you or one of your buddies will explode
        >enemy looks like the citizenry so you're on constant high alert at all times trying to figure out who's going to try and kill you
        being incredibly stressed out for long periods of time is bad for your brain and modern war including COIN ops provide that constant stress

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. OP's legionaries spent 20 years camping with their bros. They saw maybe a dozen battles. They might lose a bro or 5 during that battle, but it wasn't the 24/7 stress and trauma of modern war.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do people kill themselves?
    It's not because they're cold, tired, or hungry

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >legionaries
    >receive citizenship
    retard. only citizens could serve in the legions. non-citizens could only serve in auxilia and those were the guys who got citizenship

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not true. The Roman army in the third and second centuries BC consisted of two legions of Roman citizens and two legions drawn from allied Italian states, Julius Caesar recruited non-citizens into his legions during the Gallic Wars, and by the 3rd-century AD there were significant numbers of not just non-citizens, but outright barbarian in the legions (not just in the auxilia).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Roman army in the third and second centuries BC consisted of two legions of Roman citizens and two legions drawn from allied Italian states
        I like how American organizational doctrine is literally just the middle republican military.
        >Americans are the Romans
        >NATO are the Socii
        >Non-NATO allies are just general allies

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, you are a retard. The main point of the Marian reforms were introducing non-citizens into the military when previously the legions had been formalized citizen militia. Decades of war and especially losses against the Teutones and Cimbri had bled out the Roman citizen class requiring reforms to allow non-citizens to serve. The auxiliaries weren’t non-citizens, they were ethnics recruited due the having specialized skills due to their culture and many later auxiliaries were full citizens. You were an auxiliary light cavalryman because you were an Illyrian who knew how to ride a horse, your citizenship status was irrelevant and by the middle imperial period there was a good chance that you were a citizen unless you were a slave or born outside the empire whether you were Greek, Italic, Illyrian, Gallic, gnomish, or Numidian.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb dumb

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PTSD is the result of continuous stress over a long period of time, making modern warfare the perfect way to churn out mentally ill vets. Also veterans in the old days had their own issues, they weren't the stoic soldiers that you think.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Being "manly" and "trad" did not save Russia.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is unironcially neither. Highest HIV and abortion rate in Europe

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tbh their ad's used to be normal ad's here, they are not doing anything out of ordinary, we are the ones who regressed on this.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be soldier back in the day
    >have to fight other soldiers in martial combat
    >know that if you are strong you'll be your opponent through strength and skill

    >be soldier today
    >could accidentally step on the wrong spot and turn into a fine mist
    >could be sitting in a tent doing nothing when death rains from above
    >a 9 year old could blow your brains out
    >have no real sense of security

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >know that if you are strong you'll be your opponent through strength and skill
      Not really, most combat was in shield formations bashing at each other while blindly swinging the sword from behind trying to hit something

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >know that if you are strong you'll be your opponent through strength and skill
        Except melee combat between armies was two shield walls being pressed together and trying to stab over it/through it

        Still you can have more confidence in your allies helping you versus being instantly killed at any time today
        I'm sure back in the day you wouldnt have to worry about a drone dropping a bomb on your ass while you're getting a brojob

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >know that if you are strong you'll be your opponent through strength and skill
        Except melee combat between armies was two shield walls being pressed together and trying to stab over it/through it

        Actually Roman combat was noted for being far more open-ordered and individualistic than their contemporaries.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >know that if you are strong you'll be your opponent through strength and skill
      Except melee combat between armies was two shield walls being pressed together and trying to stab over it/through it

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >In the battle at Marathon about six thousand four hundred men of the foreigners were killed, and one hundred and ninety-two Athenians; that many fell on each side. The following marvel happened there: an Athenian, Epizelus son of Couphagoras, was fighting as a brave man in the battle when he was deprived of his sight, though struck or hit nowhere on his body, and from that time on he spent the rest of his life in blindness. I have heard that he tells this story about his misfortune: he saw opposing him a tall armed man, whose beard overshadowed his shield, but the phantom passed him by and killed the man next to him. I learned by inquiry that this is the story Epizelus tells.
    Herodotus describes hysterical blindness manifesting in a soldier at Marathon.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      learned something new today, damn.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Here's one from Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part 1 where Lady Percy is speaking to her husband, Hotspur who has just come back from combat and is about to have to leave again.

        >O my good lord, why are you thus alone?
        >For what offense have I this fortnight been
        >A banished woman from my Harry’s bed?
        >Tell me, sweet lord, what is ‘t that takes from thee
        >Thy stomach, pleasure, and thy golden sleep?
        >Why dost thou bend thine eyes upon the earth,
        >And start so often when thou sit’st alone?
        >Why hast thou lost the fresh blood in thy cheeks
        >And given my treasures and my rights of thee
        >To thick-eyed musing and curst melancholy?
        >In thy faint slumbers I by thee have watched,
        >And heard thee murmur tales of iron wars,
        >Speak terms of manage to thy bounding steed,
        >Cry “Courage! To the field!” And thou hast talk’d
        >Of sallies and retires, of trenches, tents,
        >Of palisadoes, frontiers, parapets,
        >Of basilisks, of cannon, culverin,
        >Of prisoners’ ransom and of soldiers slain,
        >And all the currents of a heady fight.
        >Thy spirit within thee hath been so at war
        >And thus hath so bestirred thee in thy sleep,
        >That beads of sweat have stood upon thy brow
        >Like bubbles in a late-disturbèd stream;
        >And in thy face strange motions have appeared,
        >Such as we see when men restrain their breath
        >On some great sudden hest. O, what portents are these?
        >Some heavy business hath my lord in hand,
        >And I must know it, else he loves me not.

        It's a fictional account, but Shakespeare had to have gotten the idea from somewhere.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >roastie makes it about her in that very last line
          kek is this why Shakespeare is considered to be such a good poet? Describes ptsd then in one line also turns it into the thoughts of a woman

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think that whole passage is her talking about her husband's behavior. So it was from her perspective from the start. She knows that his stress is from being in battle, but I don't think she has a good idea of what that entails. Without tv and cameras it's probably difficult for her to imagine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Another possible indication of PTSD in pre-modern soldiers are accounts of people "biting their shields", which could be one of inspiration for berserkers.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do children that grow up in war torn nations suffer from PTSD? They don’t fight in combat but it has to be bad, right?
    War is hell. It’s fun to see tanks getting blown up but Jesus Christ this is horrifying.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      PTSD is not just about soldiers and wars bro, kids are the ones who suffer the most in fact from childhood trauma, it just got popular to associate with soldiers thanks to movies and other media.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How do you “fix” someone who grew up in war?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's the neat part
          you don't

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Look at Ireland.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Alcohol! AND DRIVING OUT THE BRITS!

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And child abuse. And killing each other for over 100 years.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kids have historically had a shit time of it. Hardcore History did a short episode on the average amount of horrible shit people saw as kids and how it effected them over generations. Long story short is basically every kid was scarred in some way that made society what it was in the past. Not treating kids as toys and punching bags is a recent development and as we see it has led to advances, albeit in a double edged fashion.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to give you a non-retarded answer to your very retarded statement masquerading as a question.
    Are you ready?
    We're more civilized and as a result we are far, far less accustomed to violence for fun, violence for revenge, violence for sex, violence for profit.
    An example from medieval Europe
    >Players with hands tied behind them competed to kill a cat nailed to a post by battering it to death with their heads, at the risk of cheeks ripped open or eyes scratched out by the frantic animals' claws ... Or a pig enclosed in a wide pen was chased by men with clubs to the laughter of spectators as he ran squealing from the blows until beaten lifeless.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always think about this and try to wonder what life was like for warriors thousands of years ago. Were they constantly miserable? Were they always freezing and starving to death? Walking a gorillian miles in the cold snow in "shoes" made of some animal skin, sleeping in terrible conditions, eating rotten food or nothing at all, was mutiny a constant issue?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, they usually camped for winter. Reach the Gaelic wars and you see what it's like. They build a barrack/camp to over winter in. Sometimes they pulled back over the alps to Roman land sometimes they built the barrack in enemy territory to hold down positions for next springs campaign. Somwtimes they'd fight in winter. Attempts to drive out an invader into the exposure but generally both aides retreated for winter.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    From what I understand, a lot of what causes ptsd to strongly manifest is a lock of national and community support back home.
    Used to be soldiers came home and were heros, for better or worse. Even here in the US until the last several decades.
    The guys coming home from the desert wars had a few years of punisher skullyness in the early to mid 2000s, but now are held in much lower regard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The common american is much more likely to understand the complexities of war than those of years passed. They realize the goals are more nebulous, the sides more gray and above all, their role more insignificant.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    An issue is global communication. You can pull up YouTube and see videos of citizens of “enemy nations” living normal lives just like you and me.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They probably did get PTSD but were treated as mere cowards because they didn't know what PTSD is.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and they didnt say shit
    You interviewed them?

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Reach a level of civilization and humanity where one can feel pain for his fellow man despite being an enemy 3000km away
    >Long for the barbarism of a fallen empire from a thousand years ago
    Anon you are a moron.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Ah yes, the peasantry of medieval Europe, famed for their ebony skin and fondness for breaded chicken snacks.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Glorifying weakness has become a virtue and mental defects, no matter if real or self inflicted, are one of the most easiest way to virtue signal in such a framework.

    From personal experience the actual head cases were only a handful per company size unit (nightmares, cold sweat etc). Biggest problem most men faced was simple boredom: civvie life is just very dull and routine in comparison even to regular combat duty in unconventional guerilla wars. You go to work, raise kids, pay taxes and then you die (of dullness). I expect the ukranian war veterans will be facing similar problems after it ends.

    The ending sequence to Hurt Locker was perfect in that sense and really showed the makers of that movie actually tried to dig into the mentality change aspects.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they lived right?

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I recognize that illustration.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, it existed back then, it just was not talked about. Records of ancient history tend to focus on the valiant cavalry charges and honorable generals, not you know, soldiers that came back with scarred bodies and haunted eyes that drank a little too often, had trouble keeping a job and flinched whenever they heard metal clash. That doesn't make the generals, for whom these books and statues are being made, look good, and is thus conveniently forgotten. You aren't coming back from the Siege of Carthage completely fucking sane, let me tell you.
    It's not healthy to have a comprehension of history based entirely on Little Dark Age edits with VHS filters.
    Also, have you ever served in the military? Seen combat experience?
    No?
    Then maybe you shouldn't presume things you don't know about.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >have you ever served in the military? Seen combat experience?
      It's not even military or combat. It's any truly extreme situation that'll leave mental scars. Military is only the most obvious one

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd suppose firefighters and cops in some areas as well then

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Emergency Physicians and Paramedics were what I thought of at first.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There were recordings but they’re largely irrelevant to the wider historical record as important people overcome those issues or never suffer from them. However various medical texts cover the mental distress soldiers suffered from after combat, nightmares, hallucinations, general emotional instability, etc. In general mundane writings allow for better insight into the specifics of history. Caesar’s writings cover his campaigns well enough but you are better off looking at the writings of say individual soldiers, physicians, or logisticians to grasp the situation beyond “and then Caesar built two walls so he was under siege while beseiging his enemy.”

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Then you have ye olde roman legionnaires that had to fight in hand to hand combat for 20 years where a single scratch could kill you just so that they could receive a house and citizenship and they didnt say shit
    How do you know retard? Have you studied ancient history retard?
    They had PTSD but it wasn't called that and there was the added bonus of blaming everything that halpened on gods/demons and not on mental health problems which were unknown at the time.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Modern soldier
    >This sucks
    >I’m not signing back up when my enlistment ends

    >Ancient soldier
    >This sucks
    >I’m going to murder my commander and start a civil war until I get a pay raise

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This
      Wonder howany less civil wars if the legionary term was for 5 years.

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Roman legionaries bitched in the field and they bitched in garrison. They bitched about having to construct a new fortified camp at the end of a day's march, and they bitched about having to demolish their old fortified camp before the next day's march could start. They bitched about the barbarian natives and they bitched about the civilians back in Rome. They bitched about their centurions, they bitched about the new boot in their contubernium being a fuckup, and they bitched about the cavalry not having to stand watch at night. They bitched about the food, the pay, the weather, and how the weight of all the bullshit gear they were expected to carry was ruining their knees.
    The one universal constant throughout military history is that soldiers always bitch about soldiering.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And then they got back home after all their marching and conquests for Rome to find out there was no home waiting for them, no farms to make a living on, because the spoils of war had enriched the aristocrats and given them countless slaves. They had effectively rendered their own existence obsolete. Semper idem.

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I reckon PTSD comes from prolonged exposure to stress, not just a short quick battle. I used to be a coal miner and there was a week when we were in this section where car sized blocks of stone would fall from the roof in front of us. I felt safe but the air blast and noise alone was enough to jolt my adrenaline. I'd be in that environment for several hours a day and by the end of the shift my hands were shaking and was mildly losing sense of my nervous functions. I imagine prolonged experience to artillery would do exactly the same thing.

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only land holding citizens were even allowed to be soldiers in the republic. They didn't fight for a house.

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I got on watch at 11:30 at night, I have 15 paper logs to fill and 45 minutes to fill them and an EDO that's a nazi about any sort of errors on the log anywhere, then I have a 3m whose constantly monitering for gundecking so I cannot slack off anywhere; I have to go to Aux 1, aux 2, main 1, main 2, 3gen, shaft ally, forwards and aft VCHT, I have to sound the tanks, (which means climbing all the way down the sonar dome) fill out logs from the air-conditioners, record drybulb temps, monitor lcops, lpacs, pottable water levels, look for fire, flooding, toxic gas, allign educators to drain spaces and whatever errand CCS tasks me with while I'm out; I do this every single night from 11:30 to 6:45 (if my watch relief shows up on time) so I get 15 minutes after that to eat and shave and muster with my shop at 0700 so we can start the workday which may not end until 16, 17, 1800 (if its a good day) and then I go to sleep for the last 4 or so hours until my watch starts again every single day of the underway which may go for months, during the working day I have chiefs and officers and spot checks and tags and Maintenace (and I have a day watch too)
    every
    single
    day
    during Covid we had a 7 month long underway becuase covid was in foreign ports, so this was my life 7 days a week for 7 fucking months and then we got back and stayed back for like 2 weeks and went out again for another 4 months

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      also have to add there's underway time dialation where a week feels like 3 weeks, so multiply that by 7 more fucking months of SAPR trainings and duty section trainings and qual-nazis and the looming knowledge that you fucked up or missed a step somewhere and that's going to show up in a spot-check where you'll lose your rank and paycheck for "gundecking" becuase they wanted you to make a tag out for the fucking coffee machine to clean the filters out (what) (true story actually happened to someone in A-gang)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      also have to add there's underway time dialation where a week feels like 3 weeks, so multiply that by 7 more fucking months of SAPR trainings and duty section trainings and qual-nazis and the looming knowledge that you fucked up or missed a step somewhere and that's going to show up in a spot-check where you'll lose your rank and paycheck for "gundecking" becuase they wanted you to make a tag out for the fucking coffee machine to clean the filters out (what) (true story actually happened to someone in A-gang)

      Then add all of this ontop of the operational hazards like being assigned to tail the chinese capitol ship (alone) so you get to spend 8+ hours a day at GQ becuase chinese morons fucking hate us and we have to take it seriously every time they threaten to hit us with a torpedo (which is alot)

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a good article on it in Historiamag, just google Roman Soldiers PTSD you retard and it's the first fucking link.

    PTSD has less to do with the severity of trauma experienced, but more alienation from having experienced something that is a grave social deviances. Killing a man in western society can leave you ostracized in your community, justified or not. Slapping on a uniform and encouraging a man to do it for a few years won't change that visceral subconscious fear. Additionally, why PTSD is so prevalent in modern society is the lack of close socially homogenous communities Soldiers come home and maybe they have a small family to reconcile their emotions and trauma with, but in most cases they have a few friends and a computer screen.

    A lot of modern soldiers who never even experienced trauma suffer from elements of PTSD because of that loss of brotherhood upon returning home. They had that primitive desire of being in a tight knit cohesive with a common goal. Even if their time in sucked, their monkey brain is telling them they're lost from the pack and alone.

    Contrast that to a Roman soldiers life; he learned from birth that killing is a way of Rome. He likely knew family or friends that were killed in a riot, battle or political erasure. Most boys knew that they would grow up, join the legions and get rewarded for hacking a barbarian to death. It could even be a way to elevate his entire family out of plebian poverty. Upon leaving the legion, he returned to his village where everyone knew everyone. If he did have trouble coping with trauma, there were probably several former legionnaire in his own family to talk to. Even non soldiers still shared the ideals of the Roman legion so he would never feel alienated from his group.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Roman Legions mutinied all the fucking time idiot

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it makes you feel better Mussolini's son said killing people was very fun.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plenty of people get PTSD from atrocious POW conditions, and those certainly existed throughout military history during all manner of sieges.

    The constant fear of death isn't particularly new either. If cholera or small pox, etc. starts sweeping through the camp you have the same seemingly random risk of excruciating death.

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They did say shit. There was a pretty extended strike in Tibetius's legion and they ended up negotiating for more pay and those with 16 years no longer had to do anything but fight. And something else I forget. And the dough came straight from Tibetius's pocket. Which says how rich these guys were.

    Regarding PTSD - PTSD is acquired when the nervous system is overwhelmed beyond what it can recover from and is permanently altered. Dumbfucks like you who can't be bothered to look into shit assume it's made up because that's easier to fit into your myopic ass basement dweller worldview. When you live in constant fear of potential immediate death, such as one might in modern warfare, it takes a toll on your nervous system, doesn't allow time for recovery (like you might have matching through wilderness unmolested for potentially months basically ruck camping getting a great workout and fresh air and not breathing burn pit fumes), and makes any acute assault far more likely to trigger PTSD.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      People get PTSD from short events. I recall some show about a woman who got abducted by a serial killer and locked in his rape dungeon but escaped after a few days and she was still all fucked up.

      Soldiers also get it from relatively short times in deployment.

      We know soldiers had PTSD symptoms back then because there are sources talking about it. It wasn't as big of a thing because:

      >No psychology or empirical sciences to define it.
      >Relatively smaller proportion of the population can be soldiers because agriculture takes up so much labor
      >Even if you were fucked by PTSD, the tasks people had back then were way less cognitively demanding and so symptoms might not interfere with life as much.
      >Shit that would get you in trouble today like beating your wife or raping slaves didn't tend to get you in trouble then and so even if you came back from war crazy the consequences were not the same.
      >People were brutish and took their kids to watch torture and execution, so less sad behavior to get called out on

      Armies had to put up with more than just rucking and a day of battle in many cases. You had raids. You had to forage (often loot) supplies. You had sieges were disease and starvation could rub rampant. Torture for intelligence was common at times.

      I think another factor making it less of a thing is that civilian populations often got terrorized much more than today. Sacks would involve serious looting, raped, murders, large numbers enslaved. So the soldier being all fucked up from the war is less noticable if the populace is too.

      But people also had much tighter knit communities and faith, so that might have made things much better. Part of the problem now is that almost no one understands what the vet is dealing with, whereas back then the wars might touch everyone in a given area.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The sources of constant fear are just different. Now you worry about a drone bringing sudden death. Then it might be cholera in the camo. Or for civilians it's that some army takes the crops and the seed grain and there is no more food. There is no UN aid or imports, that's it. This was a problem for armies too, when they'd end up cut off from forage. Running out of food and knowing there is no logistics train of back up is certainly a source of constant stress.

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's just that modern war is different. In ancient history, the medieval ages and the renaissance you fought either hand to hand or with ranged weapons that have a max range of 200-300 m. You can block an arrow with a shield, or dodge it if it's far away and you're quick enough. Even most siege weapons could only hit up to 400 or 500 m away.
    You can't block a bullet, you can't dodge a bullet. You go to war today, pop your head out of cover and get clapped, by an enemy that you may very well not see. Or get blown up by a bomb. Even if you're cruising around in a literal fucking tank, you could just get killed by a retard with a portable antitank weapon hiding in an alleyway, in a bush or under some rubble. Everything is much more sudden.

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because they fought wars of necessity, name one modern conflict they us needed to join

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PTSD is as old as warfare itself retard. It's only with the development of modern society were we able to properly recognise and catalogue it, but it doesn't mean tha tit wasn't noticed or written about before
    >men at arm clenching their jaws in combat so hard that broke
    >writings of knights waking up screaming and Roman soldiers being haunted by the ghosts of the men they killed or friends lost

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    have you seen a 3ton bomb explode in persone
    at least in ancient time you did not have the constant fear to get killed because a moron zoomer posted his location and now you get mortard
    ptsd really had gone full swing since ww1, the lack of reprive for an never ending fight that go cold and hot at any moment means you can never relax and that is the thing that fucks your brain
    in feald,in town, in suply route, in base, in sleep, in home, you always have to be ready and aware and if you slip you die. basicaly its like being in a paranoid schysophrenic mind set

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think that this is the reason why PTSD has proliferated into the public eye in modern times(aside from the developments in psychology).

      Modern combat reaching back to WW1 exposes the soldier toich more constant danger than in older eras. Before troop rotations were implemented soldiers would endure weeks and months of miserable trenches and constant shelling, with a constant fear of death. As technology advanced this danger extended to far beyond the front lines.
      Sure in ancient times soldiers would be in danger of hunger or disease and aside from enemy raids and such there was little risk of actual violent death beyond battles.
      I imagine that knights or ancient Romans would be too happy if they knew that an arrow could randomly fall from the sky and ki them without warning

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every civilization and time going back thousands of years has its own group of people constantly whining about a glorious mythical past that everybody should return to, especially the kind of people who have the least to contribute to the course of history and are easily forgotten.

  61. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Some talk of Alexander,
    and some of Hercules
    Of Hector and Lysander,
    and such great names as these
    But of all the world’s great heroes
    There’s none that can compare
    With a tow, row row row , row row row
    To the British Grenadiers

    >None of these ancient heroes
    ne’er saw a cannon ball
    Nor knew the force of powder
    to slay their foes withal
    But our brave boys do know it
    and banish all their fears
    Sing tow, row row row , row row row
    For the British Grenadiers

  62. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, they did complain, give up, refuse to fight, and perform poorly, etc. Much of the history you read today is no different from the propaganda you see today. Soldiers from then (and people in general) are much more like people today than they are different. Also, did you know that you're a little pussy?

  63. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Then you have ye olde roman legionnaires that had to fight in hand to hand combat for 20 years
    Your average roman legionnaire would, depending on the historical period, get into maybe a couple fights during his service. Most of it was just digging because rome used the legions for civil engineering extensively

  64. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >They constantly moan and complain about ptsd because they served a year as a drone operator
    >Looks at Ukrainians making kill comps
    Yeah sure buddy

  65. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fucking zoomers and millennials man

    Going on about depression and whatnot, they don't have any problems that a good asskicking wouldn't cure. These shitpacking gays need to get the queer battered out of them so they see how bad things can be, the problem is that they have been so mollycoddled they have no emotional baseline and having a comfy life drives them crazy because their perspective is warped.

    Especially fuck zoomers, these vapid cunts are going to get absolutely REAMED by the collapse of civilization and spend their time bitching about gays and abortion.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >boomers dare to call zoomers vapid cunts when they are theost coddled generation in centuries and directly caused and presided over the greatest societal changes ever achieved by humans
      Fuck boomers and their millennial spawn, if anyone is to blame them it is them and their defective parenting that caused zoomer behaviour.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 35

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >millennial fag talking shit
          Blame your boomer parents then gay, most zoomers can't even vote yet and you and you boomer ancestors dominate the voting spheres

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Especially fuck zoomers, these vapid cunts are going to get absolutely REAMED by the collapse of civilization and spend their time bitching about gays and abortion.

      Embrace the cleansing fire of nuclear war brother.

  66. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A better question is why are modern internet posters so brave and bold?

  67. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe the Roman legionnaires did say shit but it wasn't recorded because it was 2,000 years ago and most of them were illiterate. Just a thought.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They also had different coping mechanisms as the societal taboo on killing and concepts of honour and duty dere different than in the modern age.
      They were also exposed to a much smaller circle op people and opinions so their coping mechanisms were different.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, there is something to that. In modern society you have a relatively easy life then are shipped off to a third world battlefield to watch your buddies get blown into a million pieces. A little different.
        But you still can't claim to know that they didn't complain. I'm pretty sure every military unit has been full of complaining.

  68. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Roman legions barely fought and killed at all. It was legit marching around for months on end until you got your enemy in a good spot. Killed a few thousand of them out of 15k and now the enemy capitulated and they certainly stand no chance now. Then repeat this every few years.

  69. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most of these people should have never been in the military in the first place. Once they made the "G.I. Bill" the main focus in recruiting, things went down hill. They found themselves actually having to kill and see others die and it broke them. I'm sure it also has to do with modern people's separation from the realities of life. 100 years ago, a boy grew up surrounded by death and violence. He saw animals killed for his food on a regular basis. He may have done a lot of the killing and watched people waste away from disease or famine. These days "men" get "trauma" from hearing an opposing view.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly this. People are a lot more divorced from death now (until their own of course) than they were in previous times.

      For example, my great-grandfather witnessed his father, mother, and one of his siblings dying before he was 10. He witnessed his first wife die in childbirth by when he was 20. By the time World War II came around when he was 25, he was already pretty horribly traumatized.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, you're making it sound like a problem that people aren't exposed to awful shit growing up, but that sounds like an improvement. Like if/when I have kids, I don't want them to have a shithole childhood having to witness death or be party to suffering.

  70. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't remember who it was but someone said the problem lies with the lacking of time to decompress with others who have experienced the same things.

    In the before times you had time with your comrades to talk about what happened and they all knew what you experienced because they also experienced it.

  71. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because most modern soldiers are low IQ AND didn't see any combat in the 20 years of the GWOT. Their time in uniform was boring and did not live up to the movies they watched. When they got home they started lying about the combat they saw the justify the 4 years they wasted being a janitor. When their time in service ended, they lied to the VA about the trauma they endured because you cannot disprove it, and it nets them $40,000 a year, tax free, for life. They then embrace this lie and wear it on their sleeve as an identity and character theme as they lack the ability to move on and improve their life in any way and now float by spending their welfare checks on gruntstyle t-shirts drinking BLACK RIFLE, never breaching into middle class income.

    t. was a marine scout sniper for 8 years and fought in sangin. killed a lot of people, lost a lot of friends and the only psychological trauma I have is listening to gays telling obvious lies about their service to try to impress me when they don't know who I am or what I did. using my GI bill and overhearing veterans lie about themselves, their fake war stories and their disability ratings made me want to go fucking postal.

  72. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why aren’t soldiers the killing automatons my favorite fiction stories portray them as?

    You’re just dumb, ignorant, and unempathetic. Even the Iliad already contained plenty of material on the horrors of war and soldiers complaining about them. PTSD is not new, probably not even to the extent it’s present in society. It’s just that its effects — asocial behavior, anger, violence, extreme desire to avoid triggering stimuli, etc. — used to be much more common and accepted, thus obscuring them. And though it’s been called many different names, we have no reason to think PTSD is complained about more today than in the past. Soldiers often mutinied over bad conditions, would act undisciplined and get drunk or go AWOL whenever possible, and just generally act like menaces to society and often even themselves. We don’t have recordings of what was said during all their many conversations, but do you honestly believe that such behavior is not indicative of some PTSD-like influence? Of verbalizing that influence and forming actions around their conversations?

    You place aesthetic taste over actual human suffering. That is disgusting, an unaesthetic mindset.

  73. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because it's called "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" not "Sad Because Kill People and Fight Disorder". Back in ye olde days people got their panties in a twist over archers because the idea of being killed without being able to retaliate really spooked them, hence Paris being such a prick in greek mythology and the rise of the "dastardly sniper" villain archetype that's only gone away fairly recently.
    Nowadays literally every soldier is a Paris, a decent AR with irons has an effective range of about 400 yards, and that's tiny compared to everything else. A Roman soldier could at least take comfort in knowing that he's usually going to be squaring off against someone else in melee combat where he has an element of control over whether he lives or dies. Nowadays there is a very real possibility of seeing all of your friends get wiped off of this mortal coil before your very eyes because they dared to stand too close to a car bomb or in the wrong grid square on a map.
    The GWOT was bad for this especially because even if you were in a combat area most of your time was spent looking across a barren desert hoping Hamood the Half Blind Potshotter doesn't take your lid off using an ancient AK with an MOA rating larger than the number of cocks you take up your ass every saturday.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >dying instantly is LE SCARY
      >fighting in close quarters combat is LE COMFY
      stop admit you're a pussy and be done with it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >le scary

        Not how stress works, retard.

        >stop admit you're a pussy

        Big words from a neverserved sitting in his mom's cozy basement.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not the instand death part that is scary, it's the fact that it's constant and all encompassing.
        You are ALWAYS under threat of attack, no matter what you do or where you go you can assume that you can get blown up with zero warning, and that gets to people.

  74. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can’t get PTSD if you fucking die. Being a Roman legionary was like banging a succubus. Epic battles but you almost certainly die a epic death.

  75. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they didnt say shit because they couldnt read and write

  76. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because they engage in constant combat, soldiers in antiquity and medieval eras would not fight multiple times in a month but maybe a handful of times at most. This frequent exposure to combat creates a higher change of PTSD (which also existed in antiquity).

  77. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Dude who never saw combat, is fat and out of shape, and pisses himself at the site of sixteen year olds with low pants.
    Yeah you sure have a worthwhile opinion about war and it's horrors.....

  78. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    PTSD is mostly prolonged stress
    It's an artillery thing mostly
    Fighting, resting, eating, sleeping, shitting
    Any time you might hear that whistle and be gone in a flash, 24/7 stress

  79. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    we live in a society which rewards competitive, performative victimhood with attention, sympathy and disability checks.

  80. 2 months ago
    Reaperguy

    There's no better feeling than killing the enemy.

  81. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The average Roman without ballistas and "artillery" got his shit pushed in

  82. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We get paid extra money in disability for whining

  83. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This guy looks pretty comfy, that's all I want to say.

  84. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Napoleon literally named his goddamn Imperial Guard "grognards" i.e. "grumblers" or "complainers" because of how much they whined, and they were the most privileged soldiers in his entire army and saw the least actual combat. KYS, historylet.

  85. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >According to Herodotus, in 480 B.C., at the Battle of Thermopylae, where King Leonidas and 300 Spartans took on Xerxes I and 100,000-150,000 Persian troops, two of the Spartan soldiers, Aristodemos and another named Eurytos, reported that they were suffering from an “acute inflammation of the eyes,”...Labeled tresantes, meaning “trembler,”...

    >During the Roman siege of Syracuse in 211 B.C., a number of Greek soldiers defending the city were “stricken dumb with terror,” according to Greek historian Plutarch. Surdomutism, which is now recognized as a common conversion reaction to the stress of combat, was first clinically diagnosed during the Russo-Japanese War of 1905.

    >According to Peter Connolly, the Greek military historian Polybius wrote that as early as 168 B.C., the Roman army was quite familiar with soldiers who deliberately injured themselves in order to avoid combat.

    >The Greek historian Herodotus, in writing of the battle of Marathon in 490 B.C., cites an Athenian warrior who went permanently blind when the soldier standing next to him was killed, although the blinded soldier “was wounded in no part of his body.” So, too, blindness, deafness, and paralysis, among other conditions, are common forms of “conversion reactions” experienced and well-documented among soldiers today

  86. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    One of the oldest war stories in western culture contains accounts of psychological trauma from war.

  87. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because ancient soldiers had benefits that would lead to nobility and they fought against barbarians who would rape their children to death if they lost.

  88. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be an ignorant stooge goy!
    fuck off neocon garden gnome.

  89. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I read the Annals and Histories of Tacitus recently, and the the legions were constantly complaining and mutinying in the early empire.

  90. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Warfare had just as shitty wounds before the modern period. Getting vats of boiling oil poured on you for example.

    Not to mentioned that watching a bunch of living people get crucified, impaled, or having their body torn in half by horses is even worse than watching someone hot by a shell.

  91. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they believed in powerful Gods watching their every move.

  92. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting points, OP. Have you done either?

  93. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The airblasts from the bombs fucks up your nervous system. The fear of being killed by an unkown enemy is what gives you psychological trauma.
    Modern warfare is harsher on the human mind than ancient.

  94. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you have any idea how many times the Roman army overthrew the government? Roman legionaries put up with bullshit because their generals gave them enormous bribes.

  95. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ya all the lose literal soldiers mutiny's constantly fleeing from battle after getting their asses kicked at the beginning of the way by whoever romes new enemy was. Then getting a 40 acres and mule in some far away newly conquered shithole so that hopefully you and your buddies are too far to form a useful rebellion. Roman soldiers would think modern ones to be robot like slaves.
    Also you have no idea what causes ptsd, because it's not killing people primarily its high levels of stress for long periods of time. Like patrolling for years, not having a battle once or twice a season. It's sitting in a trench waiting to be shelled.

  96. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >300 replies feeding an obvious troll
    You people are hopeless.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And you’re 301

  97. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and they didnt say shit
    Yes they did. All the time. Why do you think there were constant civil wars?

  98. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    we also don't have as much access to the words of veterans from ancient times like we do today. Also you
    re forgetting that Roman soldiers were ready to fuck off from Caesar's campaign just because of what they heard about the Germans being big and scary. Also I believe there was a tablet found at vindolanda from a legionary that was meant to be sent to his mom asking her to send extra socks. There's no reason to assume veterans would have suffered any less than soldiers today

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a big part of it, 2000 years is a long time and 99.9% of history is lost from then, plus the only people recording history were the richest most educated people to begin with.
      That said there is something about modern warfare that causes a greater incidence of traumatic stress, in WW1 it was first recognised and initially called shell shock because it was believed to be a physical ailment caused by the constant artillery. WW1 also had armies of absolutely gargantuan size compared to even the 19th century so many many more soldiers (and their families) were exposed to PTSD and reported about it.
      I think mostly people in this thread have collectively gotten it, a combination of much more information and attention given to soldiers mental health, the increased duration and intensity of actual combat in a warzone. Plus we can now see interviews or recordings or photos of common soldiers in wars which makes people much more aware of the realities of it.

  99. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are modern soldiers such pussies?
    >had to fight in hand to hand combat for 20 years where a single scratch could kill you just so that they could receive a house and citizenship and they didnt say shit
    they also had their senators right there in the front leading the army where they could get killed too if things went south fast

  100. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and they didnt say shit
    How do you know? Maybe they complained more

  101. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I earned my CAB a few times over and had no real issues getting my shit under control within a few months of each deployment, but claimed PTSD in addition to what actually has me fucked up because the VA gives me money for it. I still think welfare is disgusting but if NEET gays and degenerates have their hands in the gibs, I may as well too since my taxes fund them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ditto except for CAB
      good job fellow patrician
      don't hate the player
      hate teh game

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