Do the 280's have longer throats now to accept the high BC bullets any 7mm platform needs to be using now?
If not, don't see any reason to get an Ackley chamber on an old cartridge when you could get another long action that already does it but better like a 28 Nosler. The extra powder capacity starts to matter a lot more when dealing with 195gr bullets.
458 is this really bizarre cope.
All the energy in the world, but unless you load it lighter, its straightline penetration is less than the lower velocity, lower energy, 45-70.
that's all about bullet choice. use the wrong bullet in the .458 and its extra velocity deforms the bullet which limits penetration. Get a good monometallic solid that won't expand at those velocities and it's more effective than .45-70.
Yeah, I wonder if he meant 475lbs.
Black bears in Alaska are giant, much more so than the lower 48.
I know frick all about bears in Alaska, but there is a thing called "Bergmann's Rule, which basically states that animals which live closer to the poles grow larger than the same kind of animal found closer to the equator. One would expect that black bears in Alaska would be larger than black bears from more southern locations.
https://garrettcartridges.com/penetration.html
Both with solids, it's not deformation that's causing the difference but rather the greater resistance the body you're striking places upon the bullet as you send it faster.
Basically you get wider, but shallower wound channels because of how and where that energy is expended.
I have no dog (or bear, for that matter) in this fight, but I suppose it's theoretically possible that pressure from the larger, more aggressive Alaskan grizzly bear population would cause the black bears to get smaller and shift into a slightly different ecological niche to avoid competing with the grizzlys.
Likewise the NC bears are probably larger than average because they have no other predators besides man and each other as well as more space than most places with high bear density like israelite Jersey. You aren’t going to tell me a swamp bear from Florida isn’t going to have more food access year round compared to a bear in Idaho or Alaska. The NC bears are just in that ecological sweet spot combined with some exceptional genetics and have no predators to worry about.
Because black bears have a large range and vary greatly in size based on where you are hunting.
500 pounds is nothing special in my area but, 175 would be a trophy in Alaska.
t. Saw a stuffed one in a gun store that looked like a baby & the boomer owner told me it's history.
Why use a cartridge to shoot a 150 pound bear with one designed to kill an 800 black bear?
Folks want a trophy and will be kitted out differently in different areas/state laws.
This is from Bass Pro Shop not, the Institute of Bear Ammo.
At the distances you'll actually have a shot, you'll want a hefty magnum cartridge and heavy bullet to make sure you can reach that distance.
Not that anyone is going to be drawn to hunt sheep/rams any time soon, but you have to take notoriously long shots because you can't stalk close to them.
Black bears in the west can be the same way.
>Why are black bears on this chart twice, with vastly different cartridge sizes?
It looks like they put the straight-walled cartridges at the end of the chart instead of mixing them with the rest, which seems a bit confusing. Anyway, standard .45-70 loads (not the mega hot modern ruger-only stuff), and .444 marlin, aren't super powerful despite being physically large cartridges. The .45-70 was originally a black powder cartridge, and the .44 Marlin was designed to duplicate the .45-70's performance. Grouping those cartridges in with .30-30 makes sense.
Now if the .45-70 were a modern hot load rather than the generic stuff for grandpappy's old Trapdoor Springfield then it could easily be in the Grizzly & Moose camp.
no, it's just saying that's a less than ideal caliber.
In fairness, guys took Moose and Bear with trapdoor springfields all the time. Those old cast bullets make it end to end longwise through animals at just 1300fps. The main benefit of modern bottleneck cartridges is far better trajectory, not so much ability to take game.
I used a 45-70 last year during dear season with trapdoor level handloads(hard cast, wide meplat) and what's interesting is you'll hit the animal and they'll just stand there for a moment and stare. Then they'll either run 30 yards or just fall over from blood loss.
I am from Finland, and some of these seem ..quite overpowered for our hunting regulations.
For example, .308 Win is considered good for pretty much anything, including moose and brown bear.
Then again, hunting culture and hunting practices are quite different. You need a license tfor hunting, and to get that you need to undergo training and do a tests, including a shooting test. The emphasis is "one shot, one kill". If the first shot is not a killing shot and you need another shot for a takedown, you screwed up.
>.308 Win is considered good for pretty much anything,
It is. .30-06 was a big game round by anybody's standard. It's a marketing problem-American shootists are either moronic Dirty Harry/Steven Seagal LARPers that want to shoot cannon rounds the size of suppositories at imaginary brown people, or brainlet Fudds discussing "muh stoppan powah" at the barber shop and want to spend their retirement income on shiny, fancy, expensive "game rounds" like 6.5mm and .300.
Personally, if I can shoot a deer for under $1 I'm happy.
https://i.imgur.com/t3z4Owu.jpg
Why are black bears on this chart twice, with vastly different cartridge sizes?
>Why are black bears on this chart twice
Some bears are blacker than others, if you get my drift
.308 is enough for most big game in NA. I would not consider it ideal for dangerous game like grizzly, bison or moose-maybe east coast moose as I think they're smaller than the western ones-but I wouldn't feel undergunned in an emergency situation with a semi-auto .308.
A lot of people prefer magnums for elk and larger because overpressure has made game skittish and long shots necessary. Boomers who can afford to take the whole season off and spend it illegally hunting from vehicles like magnums because they help make up for poorly placed shots at close range by destroying an entire front quarter and a lung on an animal they'll find vs half the front shoulder on an animal they won't find.
The state of Alaska's Fish and Game Department agrees with you.
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms >If you presently own a rifle chambered for the .270 Winchester, 7mm-08, .308 Winchester or .30-06 and can place all of your shots in an 8-inch circle out to 200 yards from a sitting or kneeling position you can be a successful Alaska hunter >The two most common complaints of professional Alaska guides are hunters who are not in good physical condition and hunters who cannot accurately shoot their rifles. Because these hunters do not practice enough they cannot shoot accurately enough. They miss their best chance at taking their dream animal or worse yet, they wound and lose an animal. Most experienced guides prefer that a hunter come to camp with a .270 or .30-06 rifle they can shoot well rather than a shiny new magnum that has been fired just enough to get sighted-in. If you are going to hunt brown bear on the Alaska Peninsula or Kodiak Island, a .30-06 loaded with 200- or 220-grain Nosler® or similar premium bullet will do the job with good shot placement. Only consider using a .300, .338 or larger magnum if you can shoot it as well as you can the .30-06.
tl:dr A basic b***h Ruger American .30-06 with 220s hits fricking hard and will kill anything in North America
My friend has one in 30-06. The damn thing is very accurate with basic remington corelok ammo (i think he used 180gr) and he has successfuly hit steel plates out to 300 yards with it. Its his main meat gun...it just plain works. Its accurate and relatively inexpensive.
I had never seen one in person until he brought it out and im impressed with it. Fwiw id recommended it right beside a tikka t3x.
Surprisingly the icepicking 7.62x39 works wonders on bears. I dont really hunt but if I find an angry bear in my trash Id prefer to grab my AK than some fuddrod
These charts are just marketing to sell guns and ammo. In order to cover all uses you need: >A rimfire >An intermediate cartridge >A full size cartridge >A magnum (debatable) >A shotgun
I have 22lr, 223, 6.5cm, 300wsm, and 12ga. I don't need any other cartridges for hunting unless I can afford to go on an African Safari at some point in the future.
>black bears needing bigger rounds than grizzly
I know absolutely frick all of hunting but this makes zero sense to me. Bone/fat density? Organ location?
The reason for that suggestion probably has to do with range. Those animals are often taken in mountainous areas with long shots across a canyon or valley, so flat-shooting magnums are often used to minimize drop and therefore make the shot less dependent on elevation hold.
10mm wouldn't be unethical for taking deer at close range. It would be pretty silly for hunting any of the rest of it, either because it would obliterate the pelt/meat in the case of small game, or it would either have insufficent range or power to be ethical for the rest.
For defense against animals? Should work for nearly anything except dangerous African game. The Danish Sirius Patrol in Greenland carries Glock 20s for Polar Bear defense and those are larger than any black, brown, or grizzly bear.
Not sure if they have this chart for pistols, but if you're using a pistol to hunt then you're probably using a revolver.
This is partly due to COAL considerations and it also affects which kinds and shapes of bullets you can use, autoloaders can be picky.
The ideal for revolver hunting is probably 44 magnum and up, but I personally wouldn't have too much object hunting with a .357 and JHP/JSP.
Being in range has been a problem for me during alternative methods season.
.357 Maximum aka .357 Supermag is a fantastic revolver hunting cartridge. It's quite powerful and it's also flatter shooting than the larger caliber magnums. The downside is that with the decline of the popularity of Silhouette shooting it's been harder to get the guns and the ammo.
It's largely a product of state law. For example, in Minnesota most of the state is "shotgun only" for gun hunting, but you can hunt with handguns in the shotgun zones. If you're a decrepit boomer who can't draw a compound or just don't like bows for whatever reason, shooting a .357 magnum off a bench from a blind was an attractive alternative to shotgun in the days before rifled slug barrels and dedicated slug guns became popular/available.
it's just different preferences I guess, it's like asking why some dudes get a boner for redheads while others have a thing for latinas. Some people think hunting with handguns is cool, other people thing hunting with bows is cool.
The thing I like about handgun hunting is that there's minimal weight to carry around. A revolver on my hip is a lot less encumbering than carrying a long gun, bow, crossbow, etc. I've got nothing against bowhunting, it's just not my jam, though I was into archery in both middle and high school.
Ah okay the non-rifle late season hunt makes sense. A handgun is obviously the easiest tool out of the three listed if you configure it intelligently. Makes sense.
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Honestly though, I have a hard-on for trying muzzleloader season with an iron sights flintlock. During rifle season I already use a 150y/o cartridge and a peep sight.
>Muzzle velocity drop
That's nearly entirely a matter of initial velocity and BC. Nothing prevents you from loading an AKM with high BC bullets and getting similar velocity drops to the meme grendel.
These are all my hunting barrels for my encore, rate my autism.
The only other gun I use to hunt is a winchester 101 (portuguese production) for birds on the wing
Because barrels cheaper than guns
Even my very nice 17hm2 from mgm was only like 550 all told
i only had to have one trigger job done to get the trigger where i wanted it, and most of the barrels I got used for between 200-300 dollars each.
This chart is so autistic. 243 win can easily kill anything on that chart and is relatively flat shooting. I wouldn't use it to hunt grizzlies or moose but it would do in a pinch.
>an arcane load capable of being shot out of only two guns produced by a single manufacturer, one of which is no longer being produced
Well now you know why they aren't talking about it.
If you’re looking at hunting cartridges why would you settle for 6.5 sneedmore? Hunters aren’t limited like the homosexuals who insist on having a cartridge that will fit in an AR10. Get a 264 Win mag, 6.5mm Rem mag, 6.5-284 Norma mag, or 26 Nosler. I assume if you insist on a 6.5mm projectile for hunting you want it to have some range so why settle for something that any of these BTFO in that department?
Because I don't need anything those other rounds offer when I can still get bullet upset out to 600-700 yards with a Sneedmoor, which also has most available rifles chambered in it and the most plentiful factory ammo. Paying more for ammo and dealing with more recoil isn't going to make my penis bigger.
It's almost like the anatomy of humans, which showcase their lungs from the front, are easier to drop than deer.
>600-700 yards >sneedmoor
This is a hunting thread, not a precision rifle thread. Let’s see a single game animal you’ve killed past 600 yards with sneedmoor.
300 yards is a long fricking way and there are too many uncontrolled variables in the field people don't experience in the field.
Being humane, I don't want to risk a bad shot.
That’s part of the point I’m trying to make. If you’re interested in actual long range hunting you should get a rifle chambered in a cartridge made for it. The time that sneedmoor takes to clear the same distances as a Weatherby or Nosler cartridge leaves too much room for variables.
I didn't say I shot one at 600-700, I said it works out to that distance, and unless I'm shooting farther there's no point in going bigger. Your own screenshot says the Creedmoor is going 1724 FPS at 800, which is still above the minimum impact velocity needed for an ELD-X
Because I don't need anything those other rounds offer when I can still get bullet upset out to 600-700 yards with a Sneedmoor, which also has most available rifles chambered in it and the most plentiful factory ammo. Paying more for ammo and dealing with more recoil isn't going to make my penis bigger.
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Are you shooting deer head on?
That’s part of the point I’m trying to make. If you’re interested in actual long range hunting you should get a rifle chambered in a cartridge made for it. The time that sneedmoor takes to clear the same distances as a Weatherby or Nosler cartridge leaves too much room for variables.
https://i.imgur.com/vWac99g.jpg
>600-700 yards >sneedmoor
This is a hunting thread, not a precision rifle thread. Let’s see a single game animal you’ve killed past 600 yards with sneedmoor.
My hunting rifle is a 6.5 basedmoor, I also take it to the range to shoot paper. It's an amazing caliber.
Ammo availability will drive the market. I cant find any 6.5creedmoor in my area for the life of me yet every store is drowning in 308. They cant give that stuff away.
375 h&h is probably the greatest all-rounder cartridge though. Great for little 90lb whitetails on up. Just knocks a clean soda can sized hole through the deer and creates almost no bloodshot meat.
Because of someone's autistic tick to need to have calibers ranging from caliber size rather than target size
its on there 3 times
Doesn't matter. 45-70 and 280AI are the only rounds anyone needs.
Do the 280's have longer throats now to accept the high BC bullets any 7mm platform needs to be using now?
If not, don't see any reason to get an Ackley chamber on an old cartridge when you could get another long action that already does it but better like a 28 Nosler. The extra powder capacity starts to matter a lot more when dealing with 195gr bullets.
Replace 45-70 with 458 Win mag and add 22 hornet and I’ll agree.
458 is this really bizarre cope.
All the energy in the world, but unless you load it lighter, its straightline penetration is less than the lower velocity, lower energy, 45-70.
that's all about bullet choice. use the wrong bullet in the .458 and its extra velocity deforms the bullet which limits penetration. Get a good monometallic solid that won't expand at those velocities and it's more effective than .45-70.
I know frick all about bears in Alaska, but there is a thing called "Bergmann's Rule, which basically states that animals which live closer to the poles grow larger than the same kind of animal found closer to the equator. One would expect that black bears in Alaska would be larger than black bears from more southern locations.
https://garrettcartridges.com/penetration.html
Both with solids, it's not deformation that's causing the difference but rather the greater resistance the body you're striking places upon the bullet as you send it faster.
Basically you get wider, but shallower wound channels because of how and where that energy is expended.
I have no dog (or bear, for that matter) in this fight, but I suppose it's theoretically possible that pressure from the larger, more aggressive Alaskan grizzly bear population would cause the black bears to get smaller and shift into a slightly different ecological niche to avoid competing with the grizzlys.
Neat hypothesis.
Likewise the NC bears are probably larger than average because they have no other predators besides man and each other as well as more space than most places with high bear density like israelite Jersey. You aren’t going to tell me a swamp bear from Florida isn’t going to have more food access year round compared to a bear in Idaho or Alaska. The NC bears are just in that ecological sweet spot combined with some exceptional genetics and have no predators to worry about.
Deal.
Because black bears have a large range and vary greatly in size based on where you are hunting.
500 pounds is nothing special in my area but, 175 would be a trophy in Alaska.
t. Saw a stuffed one in a gun store that looked like a baby & the boomer owner told me it's history.
Surely a grizzly cartridge would suffice for any black bear?
Why use a cartridge to shoot a 150 pound bear with one designed to kill an 800 black bear?
Folks want a trophy and will be kitted out differently in different areas/state laws.
This is from Bass Pro Shop not, the Institute of Bear Ammo.
Black person, shut the frick up. 175lb bear being considered a trophy in ALASKA. The place with the MOST bears and LARGEST area for them?
Black person you are fricking dumb. I bet you're some dumb lower-48 mall crawling cuckold. Never post here again.
Yeah, I wonder if he meant 475lbs.
Black bears in Alaska are giant, much more so than the lower 48.
.223 won't kill a sheep a deer or a black cuck bear according to this fudd shit lmao
223 is underpowered for larger game. Unlikely to get a one shot humane kill. 223 makes animals suffer.
Sheep and black bears are not large buddy
No but your mother's c**t hole is
Perhaps but you still get no pussy so?
At the distances you'll actually have a shot, you'll want a hefty magnum cartridge and heavy bullet to make sure you can reach that distance.
Not that anyone is going to be drawn to hunt sheep/rams any time soon, but you have to take notoriously long shots because you can't stalk close to them.
Black bears in the west can be the same way.
They can be, my dude.
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>Coastal NC has the world's largest black bears.
That’s where I live.
Ok boomer
the biggest grizzly bear in the world was killed with a 22 long single shot
and how likely do you think that was?
Pretty likely, bears aren’t magic, lots of bears have been taken with .22 over the years
A totally humane 10+ shots in the perfect spot on the side of its head. This is how all hunting should be right?
the first shot dropped the bear
>First shot dropped the bear
>Just emptied another ten rounds for the hell of it
Would you take the chance?
I think we agree that the extra shots were necessary then
Would you want to flay it after one shot? What if it didn’t do the job even if it looked like it?
How is that not humane?
Untrue with modern bullets. Or do you think that something that drops 200lb men can’t drop 200lb deer?
It's almost like the anatomy of humans, which showcase their lungs from the front, are easier to drop than deer.
>Why are black bears on this chart twice, with vastly different cartridge sizes?
It looks like they put the straight-walled cartridges at the end of the chart instead of mixing them with the rest, which seems a bit confusing. Anyway, standard .45-70 loads (not the mega hot modern ruger-only stuff), and .444 marlin, aren't super powerful despite being physically large cartridges. The .45-70 was originally a black powder cartridge, and the .44 Marlin was designed to duplicate the .45-70's performance. Grouping those cartridges in with .30-30 makes sense.
Now if the .45-70 were a modern hot load rather than the generic stuff for grandpappy's old Trapdoor Springfield then it could easily be in the Grizzly & Moose camp.
no, it's just saying that's a less than ideal caliber.
In fairness, guys took Moose and Bear with trapdoor springfields all the time. Those old cast bullets make it end to end longwise through animals at just 1300fps. The main benefit of modern bottleneck cartridges is far better trajectory, not so much ability to take game.
I used a 45-70 last year during dear season with trapdoor level handloads(hard cast, wide meplat) and what's interesting is you'll hit the animal and they'll just stand there for a moment and stare. Then they'll either run 30 yards or just fall over from blood loss.
I am from Finland, and some of these seem ..quite overpowered for our hunting regulations.
For example, .308 Win is considered good for pretty much anything, including moose and brown bear.
Then again, hunting culture and hunting practices are quite different. You need a license tfor hunting, and to get that you need to undergo training and do a tests, including a shooting test. The emphasis is "one shot, one kill". If the first shot is not a killing shot and you need another shot for a takedown, you screwed up.
So OP's list seems somewhat overkill.
it's a bass pro shop ad designed to get you to buy more guns
308 is more than enough to kill anything outside of africa
>.308 Win is considered good for pretty much anything,
It is. .30-06 was a big game round by anybody's standard. It's a marketing problem-American shootists are either moronic Dirty Harry/Steven Seagal LARPers that want to shoot cannon rounds the size of suppositories at imaginary brown people, or brainlet Fudds discussing "muh stoppan powah" at the barber shop and want to spend their retirement income on shiny, fancy, expensive "game rounds" like 6.5mm and .300.
Personally, if I can shoot a deer for under $1 I'm happy.
>Why are black bears on this chart twice
Some bears are blacker than others, if you get my drift
.308 is enough for most big game in NA. I would not consider it ideal for dangerous game like grizzly, bison or moose-maybe east coast moose as I think they're smaller than the western ones-but I wouldn't feel undergunned in an emergency situation with a semi-auto .308.
A lot of people prefer magnums for elk and larger because overpressure has made game skittish and long shots necessary. Boomers who can afford to take the whole season off and spend it illegally hunting from vehicles like magnums because they help make up for poorly placed shots at close range by destroying an entire front quarter and a lung on an animal they'll find vs half the front shoulder on an animal they won't find.
The state of Alaska's Fish and Game Department agrees with you.
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms
>If you presently own a rifle chambered for the .270 Winchester, 7mm-08, .308 Winchester or .30-06 and can place all of your shots in an 8-inch circle out to 200 yards from a sitting or kneeling position you can be a successful Alaska hunter
>The two most common complaints of professional Alaska guides are hunters who are not in good physical condition and hunters who cannot accurately shoot their rifles. Because these hunters do not practice enough they cannot shoot accurately enough. They miss their best chance at taking their dream animal or worse yet, they wound and lose an animal. Most experienced guides prefer that a hunter come to camp with a .270 or .30-06 rifle they can shoot well rather than a shiny new magnum that has been fired just enough to get sighted-in. If you are going to hunt brown bear on the Alaska Peninsula or Kodiak Island, a .30-06 loaded with 200- or 220-grain Nosler® or similar premium bullet will do the job with good shot placement. Only consider using a .300, .338 or larger magnum if you can shoot it as well as you can the .30-06.
tl:dr A basic b***h Ruger American .30-06 with 220s hits fricking hard and will kill anything in North America
>Ruger American
Does anyone who owns one of these actually shoot it?
i have one but i never shoot it
My friend has one in 30-06. The damn thing is very accurate with basic remington corelok ammo (i think he used 180gr) and he has successfuly hit steel plates out to 300 yards with it. Its his main meat gun...it just plain works. Its accurate and relatively inexpensive.
I had never seen one in person until he brought it out and im impressed with it. Fwiw id recommended it right beside a tikka t3x.
Surprisingly the icepicking 7.62x39 works wonders on bears. I dont really hunt but if I find an angry bear in my trash Id prefer to grab my AK than some fuddrod
These charts are just marketing to sell guns and ammo. In order to cover all uses you need:
>A rimfire
>An intermediate cartridge
>A full size cartridge
>A magnum (debatable)
>A shotgun
I have 22lr, 223, 6.5cm, 300wsm, and 12ga. I don't need any other cartridges for hunting unless I can afford to go on an African Safari at some point in the future.
In which case your cheapest safari cartridge is a 50-110 from a reproduction 1886.
I actually agree with this but for me it’s:
.22LR
9mm Luger
.308 Win
.50 BMG
Plus 12ga
Literally why would you need anything else
>black bears needing bigger rounds than grizzly
I know absolutely frick all of hunting but this makes zero sense to me. Bone/fat density? Organ location?
No it's just moronic
>300 win mag
>goats/sheep
do boomers really?
The reason for that suggestion probably has to do with range. Those animals are often taken in mountainous areas with long shots across a canyon or valley, so flat-shooting magnums are often used to minimize drop and therefore make the shot less dependent on elevation hold.
Have you ever seen a sheep in the wild? It's about the shots available, not the hardiness of the animal.
OHHHH NOOOO THE HECKIN WOOLY FLUFFERINOS ARE OPERATING IN STEALTH MODE
BAAAAAAAAH IM GOING INSAAANE
Where would 10mm fit into this chart?
10mm wouldn't be unethical for taking deer at close range. It would be pretty silly for hunting any of the rest of it, either because it would obliterate the pelt/meat in the case of small game, or it would either have insufficent range or power to be ethical for the rest.
For defense against animals? Should work for nearly anything except dangerous African game. The Danish Sirius Patrol in Greenland carries Glock 20s for Polar Bear defense and those are larger than any black, brown, or grizzly bear.
Not sure if they have this chart for pistols, but if you're using a pistol to hunt then you're probably using a revolver.
This is partly due to COAL considerations and it also affects which kinds and shapes of bullets you can use, autoloaders can be picky.
The ideal for revolver hunting is probably 44 magnum and up, but I personally wouldn't have too much object hunting with a .357 and JHP/JSP.
Being in range has been a problem for me during alternative methods season.
.357 Maximum aka .357 Supermag is a fantastic revolver hunting cartridge. It's quite powerful and it's also flatter shooting than the larger caliber magnums. The downside is that with the decline of the popularity of Silhouette shooting it's been harder to get the guns and the ammo.
Have to handload most of this stuff today anyway, so the only pain in the ass to get would be the brass.
I will never understand handgun hunting.
>hunting with a rifle is too easy
>no I will not learn how to shoot a bow
It's largely a product of state law. For example, in Minnesota most of the state is "shotgun only" for gun hunting, but you can hunt with handguns in the shotgun zones. If you're a decrepit boomer who can't draw a compound or just don't like bows for whatever reason, shooting a .357 magnum off a bench from a blind was an attractive alternative to shotgun in the days before rifled slug barrels and dedicated slug guns became popular/available.
it's just different preferences I guess, it's like asking why some dudes get a boner for redheads while others have a thing for latinas. Some people think hunting with handguns is cool, other people thing hunting with bows is cool.
The thing I like about handgun hunting is that there's minimal weight to carry around. A revolver on my hip is a lot less encumbering than carrying a long gun, bow, crossbow, etc. I've got nothing against bowhunting, it's just not my jam, though I was into archery in both middle and high school.
It's the timing of the seasons in my state.
Archery overlaps everything, then rifle, then alternative methods(archery, handgun, and muzzleloader)
Ah okay the non-rifle late season hunt makes sense. A handgun is obviously the easiest tool out of the three listed if you configure it intelligently. Makes sense.
Honestly though, I have a hard-on for trying muzzleloader season with an iron sights flintlock. During rifle season I already use a 150y/o cartridge and a peep sight.
>I don't understand handgun hunting
Makes sense to me. They want a greater challenge, a lighter weapon, or both.
Arizona allows hunting black bears with airguns.
Bears the second time was a typo, it's supposed to just say Blacks
Or it's intentional, but a double entendre.
For their population size they do have an overrepresented homosexual demographic.
One is for actual bears.
The other is for fat gay Black folk.
The fun part is guessing which is for which.
I'll say it, the cartridges are really poorly sized. Almost like someone intentionally edited it just to frick with us.
get 6.5 grendel and call it a day. the best cartridge short of unobtainium 6mm ARC.
carry a suppressed .22 backup for finishing or very small prey.
>Muzzle velocity drop
That's nearly entirely a matter of initial velocity and BC. Nothing prevents you from loading an AKM with high BC bullets and getting similar velocity drops to the meme grendel.
>a matter of initial velocity and BC.
Yes, it is.
>Nothing prevents you from loading an AKM with high BC bullets
Technically true.
But since you will need a much heavier bullet to achieve the same BC, good luck pushing it the same velocity.
Oops.
>7.62 bullet at the same weight has way worse BC
that’s what he said lad
Yes, that's what I said. But I forgot to add the picture. hence "Oops."
oh i thought you were saying “oops” as in “oops this picture proves you wrong”
I think they meant to use the .444 Marlin and 45-70 to put down large hairy gay black men filled to the gills with meth and nitrous oxide poppers.
where is 6.5 creedmoor? i need to know which animals i can kill with it
Anything other than grizzly bears inside of 300y it's fine. For longer distance elk I use a magnum.
These are all my hunting barrels for my encore, rate my autism.
The only other gun I use to hunt is a winchester 101 (portuguese production) for birds on the wing
why did u only buy an encore and not a bunch of different guns
Because barrels cheaper than guns
Even my very nice 17hm2 from mgm was only like 550 all told
i only had to have one trigger job done to get the trigger where i wanted it, and most of the barrels I got used for between 200-300 dollars each.
This chart is so autistic. 243 win can easily kill anything on that chart and is relatively flat shooting. I wouldn't use it to hunt grizzlies or moose but it would do in a pinch.
Why no 45 lc? A ruger load will kill resident evil bows
45lc is a garbage obsolete cartridge with no advantage over 45acp which is itself an obsolete meme pistol cartridge
Fake news. A ruger load 45lc hits harder than 44 mag
>an arcane load capable of being shot out of only two guns produced by a single manufacturer, one of which is no longer being produced
Well now you know why they aren't talking about it.
Literally any levergun without 1873 in the name can run Ruger loads.
>no 6.5 basedmoor
Discarded.
If you’re looking at hunting cartridges why would you settle for 6.5 sneedmore? Hunters aren’t limited like the homosexuals who insist on having a cartridge that will fit in an AR10. Get a 264 Win mag, 6.5mm Rem mag, 6.5-284 Norma mag, or 26 Nosler. I assume if you insist on a 6.5mm projectile for hunting you want it to have some range so why settle for something that any of these BTFO in that department?
Because I don't need anything those other rounds offer when I can still get bullet upset out to 600-700 yards with a Sneedmoor, which also has most available rifles chambered in it and the most plentiful factory ammo. Paying more for ammo and dealing with more recoil isn't going to make my penis bigger.
Are you shooting deer head on?
>600-700 yards
>sneedmoor
This is a hunting thread, not a precision rifle thread. Let’s see a single game animal you’ve killed past 600 yards with sneedmoor.
300 yards is a long fricking way and there are too many uncontrolled variables in the field people don't experience in the field.
Being humane, I don't want to risk a bad shot.
That’s part of the point I’m trying to make. If you’re interested in actual long range hunting you should get a rifle chambered in a cartridge made for it. The time that sneedmoor takes to clear the same distances as a Weatherby or Nosler cartridge leaves too much room for variables.
I didn't say I shot one at 600-700, I said it works out to that distance, and unless I'm shooting farther there's no point in going bigger. Your own screenshot says the Creedmoor is going 1724 FPS at 800, which is still above the minimum impact velocity needed for an ELD-X
6.5 based works just fine for hunting deer/bears.
My hunting rifle is a 6.5 basedmoor, I also take it to the range to shoot paper. It's an amazing caliber.
6.5 is meme to swindle morons who don't understand ammo prices.
Ammo availability will drive the market. I cant find any 6.5creedmoor in my area for the life of me yet every store is drowning in 308. They cant give that stuff away.
New, more efficient stuff VS old boomer cartridge. It's called evolution.. it's the same here in terms of availability.
>Three Seventy Five Holland and Holland
>for meese and a bear that regularly jobs to .44 Mag
375 h&h is probably the greatest all-rounder cartridge though. Great for little 90lb whitetails on up. Just knocks a clean soda can sized hole through the deer and creates almost no bloodshot meat.
One is the animal in the woods, the other is a black homosexual looking for cubs.
Because you need to consoooom as many cartridges and different guns as possible. These LARP charts are literally advertisements.
I wish there were more hunting threads like this. I want to learn more about it and is a hobby I want to get into
Most hunting threads are on PrepHole
Ah thanks bud!
There's tons of books on the subject, anon.
>2 times
3 times and it gets better - tell me, based only on the chart - is .25-06 Remington suitable for taking black bears?
No. Per the chart .25-06 is appropriate for black bear, but too powerful for black bears, and not powerful enough for black bears.
one is intended for "black bears" of the gay melanated variety with slightly more hair
.45-70 is a big bullet, but its not very fast.
This chart was fairly dumbly done via caliber rather than power.
where would .357 mag with high grain fall on this lineup?
Right beside .270
because the second bear is thougher