Why are Artillery Shells for Battleships so unbelievably huge?

Why are Artillery Shells for Battleships so unbelievably huge?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because, battleships have large guns anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      but some land artillery is really big and the shells are way smaller

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        land artillery has to be mobile due to the possibility of counterbattery. battleships are frickhueg with an entire fleet to back them up. this means they can have moronic big howitzers and fire with impunity. they outrange and out damage land based artillery

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Howitzer
          Only elevates to 30 degrees maximum
          What did they mean by this

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, many battleships could elevate to 45 degrees.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Floating is the cheapest way to move something in the world. Cross country without roads (other than orbital) is the most expensive. The “why” behind this “what” is the reason why naval guns got so big.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >but some land artillery is really big and the shells are way smaller
        Very, very few pieces of land artillery are that big, 6-8" is usually the maximum for most large land artillery guns. There were some rare siege mortars/howitzers above 10" designed for breaking heavy fortifications mostly made during the world wars but those have been replaced by air dropped bombs. Top picture is a shell for a British BL 15-inch Howitzer, bottom is a 14" shell from the Battleship Texas.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They're really cute

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Cool, what's the firing rate of the Dora? Is it less then 30 seconds? Because that's how fast the 16 inch gun fires.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Manly Tears considers his new .22LR reloading setup

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          one reason battle ships became a thing is just how much MOAR gun you can put on a platform with 75% of the planet as a recoil pad. land guns have to be towed around 1, and 2, shake themselves to pieces if you don't overbuild the snot out of them.
          the peak of battleship design was the Yamato class- it could shell targets 25 miles away, ranges than even modern artillery can't beat without rocketry and special designs.
          That means if the Yamato docked at the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal in NYC it could shell any target from Stamford to Edison without a problem.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >the peak of battleship design was the Yamato class-
            >optical direction
            Lol
            I have no idea why you'd use a ship which had hopelessly outdated fire control as an example of 'peak design' when there were plenty of BBs which not only survived the war, but went on to be further modernized and served well into the cold war.
            Am I biting the bait?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Yamato
              because it was, and that is absolutely uncontroversial.
              It was the biggest, the best armed, best armored battleship to ever sail.
              If you want to moan about things like FCS (or more importantly awful Japanese AA guns), and other fungible technology that's just stupid.
              Also this thread is about guns or ships

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yamato had the thickest armor, but postwar testing showed that it was less effective armor than the Iowa Class, at least for the turrets, and the gun effectiveness was not as different as the size would have predicted.

                Even without the fire control and damage control differences between the American battleships and the Japanese battleships, they Iowas were still threats to the Yamatos, and with the advantages, there was really no comparison.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >postwar testing showed that it was less effective armor than the Iowa Class
                Yamato's turret faces were the only pieces of armor on any warship capable of resisting any WW2 warship shell at point blank lmao. The only times they were pierced in testing was when they were at a 90 degree angle. As fitted they would be at a 45 degree angle.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yamato amusingly has a higher hit-rate than any WW2 battleship when you account for range, approximately 4% hit rate near 30km which is insane when it's targets were DE's and CVE's.
              Iowa for all her advanced technology never got this level of accuracy in WW2.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                First salvo straddle on nowaki at 37,500 yards

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >maybe I can be your propellant tonight

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Floaty ship can carry bigger shells then wheely trucks.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Big ships big guns.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're not. That guy is just really smol.
    That's actually .22lr

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >when will they learn

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/J7dBQFf.jpg

      Why are Artillery Shells for Battleships so unbelievably huge?

      >manly tears poses with Ruger’s new .22 magnum rounds

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that Bismarck was scuttled, not sunk.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because she wasn't sinking fast enough to avoid being raided for intel.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It was a hideously inefficient design that any competent navy would have laughed out of the room.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So were Akagi, Kaga, Soryū and Hiryū. So by your moronic logic the Japanese won at midway 1:0

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because it takes an awful lot of kinetic energy, and a great big lump of explosives to damage a battleship with a foot of krupp plate on the sides. weirdly enough, a .45 shell isnt going to do much

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      like hell it wont TWO WORLD WARS!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Love that scene in Saving Private 2: Electric Boogaloo where Tom Hanks blows up the Bismark with his trusty ol 1911 on the 8th round

    • 1 year ago
      Sage

      Thank God, somebody who isn't moronic or underage.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So god is white....

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and he was fricking American 🙂

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Purely for entertainment purposes.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    bigger shells can reduce even large fortifications into rubble

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How far inland can say an Iowa-class fire it's main guns? I know they got used in Desert Storm, but I'm wondering if fired today with modern firing solutions, and propellants theoretically how far could they go?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >theoretically how far could they go?
      Same distance. They're black powder guns, you aren't gonna push them much harder. The BP manufacturer GOEX is the commercial remnant of the old minden ammunition plant that made the charges, I can remember riding by the burning charcoal piles nearby as a kid, near where I-220 crosses the red river.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No they aren't.
        They have a small pouch of BP sewn to the powder bag for the primer to ignite. The actual propellant is massive grains of smokeless powder.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >How far inland can say an Iowa-class fire it's main guns?

      With subcaliber muntions,very far. An iowa with a 28 cm shell using a discarding sabot will reach about 185 km.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        not him but whats the CEP on that?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >How far inland can say an Iowa-class fire it's main guns?

          With subcaliber muntions,very far. An iowa with a 28 cm shell using a discarding sabot will reach about 185 km.

          Yeah, you aren't hitting fricking anything unless you go to guided munitions, and at that point you already have TLAMs at about the same price already on your ships.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            True enough. But at the time of battleships, that didn't matter quite so much.
            A town up the way from me got wrecked because the Germans decided to simply bombard the frick out of it with naval guns.
            They didn't hit the specific houses they were aiming at, but they did frick it up.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            if missiles are more cost effective than guided shells why would raytheon make Excalibur shells? not trolling truly curious

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because most combat formations still rely on tube arty for their fire support, and therefore you can sell it as a massive upgrade in capability to their existing weapons rather than having to sell them a brand new GMLRS system.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Because they got paid

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        zumwalt btfo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        what? Iowa had 40.6cm guns, where are these 28cm guns coming from?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It’s a 28cm sub caliber round in a gigantic fricking sabot.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            moron, thats the size of the shell when using a sabot

            oh, I see those big shells and I could easily imagine they're 406mm wide, I didn't know that was just encapsulating the actual saboted round itself.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          moron, thats the size of the shell when using a sabot

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Forget, but there' some special guided shit that was supposed to extend it considerably.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Base Bleed and guided shells have been proposed for the Mk 7 16 inch gun. Base bleed shells are generally between 75% and 100% longer ranged than conventional artillery, and advanced guided shells can exploit lifting body aerodynamics to reach further than a pure ballistic arc.
        Combine several of these range extension techniques, firing 11 inch (28cm) sabot shells at extreme velocity, base bleed, and an Excalibur style guidance package exploiting lifting body aerodynamics, to something like a W19, and you're able to sling 20kts 250 miles or further,

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Supplies of .45ACP were diverted to the Army so the Navy had to come up with something equivalent.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Question: Can I get that in hollow point? I'm going hunting....

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I have to ask, what are you hunting with 16.0" hollow points.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        wabbits

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Look, if someone brakes into my house at night I want to be confident that the direct-fire artillery strike that I'm about to unleash won't over penetrate and kill my neighbor in the next apartment.
        Us poorgays have to defend ourselves with the guns we have, not the guns we want.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          *breaks
          goddamnit

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This. Shooting 9mm, there's a chance you may not penetrate.
          Why take the risk?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    To piece Battleship armor. The armor started at a foot thick and kept getting thicker.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    To get to the other side.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bigger shell = bigger boom.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >boss-tier weapon is just a scaled-up version of basic weapon

    boring

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For about 75 years there was an arms race between more powerful guns and stronger armor. As a result battleships got bigger and bigger so they could carry heavier armor schemes and larger guns.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    /k/, could a MT yield physics package be put in those? Did any of our battleships get fitted with nuclear ordnance?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      full nuclear broadside

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, they made 20kt shells for the Iowas (look up W19). These were relatively primitive gun type devices though.

      In theory you could fit a MT yield into a 16" shell but two obvious issues would be ensuring it can survive the firing process and also you don't hopelessly irradiate your own ship because your firing range is limited.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >MT yield
        Probably not, I don’t think you’d even want that much power at the ranges the Mk7 16 inch gun was capable of with full caliber ammunition. But the Mk23 shell is a thing that existed and it was a 20kt warhead.

        I thought the range of the 17 inch guns with something like 20-25 miles. If I recall correctly, a 1 to 5 Mt device is usually not going to be a problem for something in the water that far away?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Air burst 1 MT warheads will not sink battleships. Underwater 20 kt warheads will. Also 20 kt warheads are much better for close support of amphib landings, and simpler, lower yield warheads are more robust, which is important when you’re firing them out of a cannon.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Another reason why smaller warheads are better is the fact that you’re salvoing 9 of them at a go. You’re likely to have fratricide issues with bigger weapons unless you ripple-fire the turrets in order to give the shots time for range dispersion.

            I mean for land targets

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Another reason why smaller warheads are better is the fact that you’re salvoing 9 of them at a go. You’re likely to have fratricide issues with bigger weapons unless you ripple-fire the turrets in order to give the shots time for range dispersion.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            well they basically never fired all 3 guns at once, I thought they were always staggered?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              also I don't think they ever fired all 9 guns at once beyond demonstrative reasons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >MT yield
      Probably not, I don’t think you’d even want that much power at the ranges the Mk7 16 inch gun was capable of with full caliber ammunition. But the Mk23 shell is a thing that existed and it was a 20kt warhead.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When the big guns go off, do all crew mates have to be below deck?
    I cant imagine the DBs and concussion from such a large explosion.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    About the Bismarck. I’ve read various things and like a definitive answer if possible from the /k/ Admiralty.

    Why, exactly, could the 3rd Reich NOT build a full-size battleship? Why were they limited to such a design?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Resource constrained economy with an inexperienced shipbuilding industry hamstrung by treaty constraints. They weren't going to go from 0-60 in building one of the most complex types of machines ever created.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bismark was a full size battleship. It was just hideously inefficent compared to its peers. It was roughly a contemporary of something like the USS North Carolina but was less well armed and armored.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    how do they get these up from wherever they're stored to the guns themselves?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Elevators

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What happens if a fire breaks out where the yellow stuff is stored?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone dies.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I believe thats HMS Barham

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The Battle of Jutland

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How does that little grey pacman suck up and spit out the yellow tokens?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Four sailors doing gruntwork.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        where's sadam hussein?

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The extent to which Europeans went to flex on each other and kill each other in increasingly violent fashion cannot be underestimated. It has been essentially gang warfare except they got so good at it it became world wars

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Those are .45 ACP viewed from within a Thompson drum mag. Very rare photo.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because ships got really big and got a lot of armor, and advanced fire control enabled extremely long range accurate fire

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because you touch yourself at night.

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