Preparedness & self-sufficiency community
who wins in a duel?
The target doesn't even know I'm feeding targeting data to half a dozen off map artillery pieces and Arrow-IV launchers.
Clanners get what they fucking deserve.
This guy, this guy right here
Stay classy, MechWarrior bro
>Chicken-tank vs Butterfly-samurai
I'll place my money on the raptor descendant combined with western tech, rather than the larper combined with a winged larva
you would be wrong
This is one of the best Gundam design and it's american made
ew. i stepped in capellan.
Better wipe it off before it betrays you.
>Bitches don't know 'bout my Colony Laser
>Bitch does not know about fleets of warships that hop from galaxy to galaxy glassing planets like a sangheli with a Mgalekgolo stuck in his ass
Whoever wins, autism loses
The man with the elephant
Those chicken legs don't look very strong, take out one and it topples over
Chickens are super fast though, at that size they'd break the speed of sound at a full sprint.
>have clearly defined limits and abilities
>often piloted by combat veterans who have extensive training and have tons of powerful weapons and use group tactics to achieve objectives
>abilities and limitations are completely plot based
>piloted by edgy/emo/autistic teenage boys, often who have never even been in a fistfight much less combat or received training
>weapons are either completely useless or so overpowered that they alone would count as WMD's
Western mechs absolutely slaughter Japanese mechs unless they're in the JMech universe, then they die in droves.
>all this seething
>no facts and got pretty much everything wrong from his delusional stereotypes
westoids can't stop seething at eastern superiority
Eastern mechs aren't vehicles they're just snowflake "big men in big suits of armour". Eastern mechs are HOMOSEXUAL. Thank you and god bless.
I find it a very common projection, enjoy driving your awkward chicken tank homosexual
Enjoy consuming media of "mechs" aka MEN wrestling OTHER MEN you god-hating homosexual limp wristed mongrel
>more gay projection
why don't you suck my cock whilst your at it, your chicken tank isn't in a hurry
umm getting your dick sucked by a guy would actually make you gay anon..
You call others f*ggots but you want MEN to perform fellatio on you. I think it is proven that you are a raging sodomite who will burn in hellfire for all eternity.
it was a figure of speech, sperg, if you hung up on words like that more the conversation could've been more coherent, instead you decide to throw buzzwords and concede
lmao, isn't discussing man-killing tools is some kind of a sin for you?
Arabs aren't human.
>my figures of speech include invitations for men to have gay sex with me
the other anon is right about you
>weapons are sin
John Moses Browning exists?
>"mechs" aka MEN
There are cute girl mechs too donchaknow
>The Fei-Yen is the fastest of the DN Group armors, sleek and streamlined for high-speed maneuverability. The R&D team had to cut back on plating and heavy weapons, but the Fei-Yen is rumored to have a devastating secret attack system for last-ditch defense.
Brother you are ALRIGHT.
Dogshit ending aside, I thoroughly enjoyed Darling in the Franxx and they had cute gril mechs.
But man that ending was retarded (the Gainax/Studio Trigger specialty)
>the Gainax/Studio Trigger specialty
nah, just that one
More shows should have cute mechs
To be fair, the ending was so bad it pretty much ruined the rest of the show. For all the retarded memes and the pointless hatred of the show, the first cour was good enough to bring me back into anime after an almost 10 year long hiatus.
It's like Game of Thrones... which I admittedly didn't watch, but I am aware of the ending being so bad that it soured the show's entire legacy, after people had been singing its praises since 2011 and claiming it would be remembered as one of the best shows ever.
I swear that show was a joke that went too far. The whole show is like a satire of Neon Genesis Evangelion, and then they copied the ending of Gurren Lagen and made it even more retarded.
Franxx was a mishmash of ideas, some of which were good, and many of which lived up to their potential in the first cour, but fell completely flat in the second cour, because... well, the second cour was just shit, and they abandoned so many themes from the first cour. It's like they had no idea how to end it.
The show generated a shitload of speculation based on the symbolism, the foreshadowing and the mysteries they built up, but the answers were all bland or outright betrayals of the themes set up in the first cour.
Of course, the show also suffered from a lot of the common anime trappings. I mean, the show wasn't meant to be satire or aimed at kids, and presented itself as a dramatic show with post-apocalyptic, dystopian vibes. But then there's the fucking mechs. They look like something out digimon or a silly, cartoony show like Godannar, and were in stark contrast to the rest of the show's tone. The first cour was good in spite of itself.
I think Nishigori had a good concept he didn't know how to finish, while also drawing inspiration from a fuckload of iconic shows, which didn't really mesh together that well. I mean, the dude did work on both Evangelion and Gurren Lagann, along with the shitty sequel to Gunbuster, and he made no attempts at hiding the obvious references.
>[...] was a mishmash of ideas, some of which were good, and many of which lived up to their potential in the first cour, but fell completely flat in the second cour, because... well, the second cour was just shit, and they abandoned so many themes from the first cour. It's like they had no idea how to end it.
>The show generated a shitload of speculation based on the symbolism, the foreshadowing and the mysteries they built up, but the answers were all bland or outright betrayals of the themes set up in the first cour.
Sounds exactly like Kill la Kill. It's just Trigger's speciality.
Gurren Lagann had mojo, and Eva was about depression. What did Franxx have? A total shift halfway through into cuckold shit with side characters after the conflict between the only two you care about is resolved? Good thing I stopped watching after that full episode of exposition halfway through, it was clear the writers outran their own story, and from what I've heard, it ended as if r*ddit had written it.
>Darling in the Franxx
Trigger actually left halfway into the show
>fully humanoid face
Everything Trigger touches turns to shit.
Can't remember the name, but it's all about the last mech. The one with the shoulder cannons.
Play yakuza 2 for virtual on goodness
is this front mission?
Yeah. The manga really is something else. Best real-type mecha you can find in vidya.
Sounds to me you are not watching the right things
>posts the series with Spiderman Gouf and Shiro flash stepping a 120mm cannon a few feet away from his head
>forgetting Shiro's inviciBALL
In Battletech House Kurita does the same weebshit with child soldiers brainwashed into being mech pilots. The Japs love their magical child motif.
Additionally here's some weebshit in a western mech game.
Weebness is borderline if not outright a legal requirement in Draconis Combine space if you want to get anywhere.
Which leads to amusing scenarios like an aggressively Germanic looking man, with blonde hair and blue eyes, drinking saki in his traditional Japanese home, hold the Japanese rank of Sho-Sa, hold a master rank in Kendo and have the legal right to wield a daisho, which he will likely wear at all times while in military uniform, and no one bats an eye at it.
Its kinda of hilarious from an outsider perspective
Additionally here's some weebshit in a western mech game.
And they are cursed to have some of the worst fucking mech designs in the entire setting...figures
this tbh, plot armor is the only thing that keeps the jap mechs afloat
The infantryman with an ATGM
Ding ding ding.
A bipedal tank is inherently an unstable platform be it western or Eastern design and makes for a poor use of resources. Their size makes them a juicy target too. Ask the bombers and torpedo pilots when they first laid eyes on the Yamamoto.
So just cover them in soft-kill systems.
Ukraine demonstrates that soft-skill systems are typically oversold in capability. The average warhead is 2-stage in most weapons these days, or top-attack. I don't think a stream of hot metal is going to do much for the pilot when it streams in from above.
Additionally, soft-kill is typically mounted on non-mobile systems with gaps in coverage. You can bet the servomotors and other items are going to be just as vulnerable.
Just have them around the "waist" of the mech then to defend the legs. If your whole argument is "modern real life soft-kill isn't good" then you're an idiot because we're talking about giant robots that don't exist.
Then we're also not considering man portable weapons that don't exist which are most likely better. All mechs are shit.
And you're not considering my magic space armour. See how quickly things deteriorate when your imagination is tainted by a desire to be right all the time.
You have a whole board for this shit. Why do you come here and then sneer when we point out that mechs are not viable weapons? Physics will never allow them to be viable. The thickness of any armour will always be defeated by explosively formed projectiles of the same composite while also requiring infinitely less machinery expertise and logistics capability. Any soft and hard kill protections can be overwhelmed with less effort and imagination from any weapon. All of this is useless anyway because in 300 years of warfare, artillery still reigns king. People talk about m4s on Mars, but we're going to have 155mm on Europa.
Any explosively formed penetrator will be able to overcome any armour if such superstrong materials exist, stronger materials means stronger weapons not stronger armour
Real answer: Mechs are space weapons.
>tfw mech can't throw galaxies
westbros, i don't feel so good...
Cosmic armor superman mogs gurren lagann and also all other Japanese animed/novels.
That's just retarded. As is Gurren Lagann, admittedly.
My flavor of retard wins in a fight though. Death Battle said so, so its canon
They are the lolcow of the scaling community. They are just there for shitpost.
>the scaling community
imagine saying this with a straight face
Yeah, but it's like a "my dad can beat your dad", except you just make up some stupid shit, like claiming your dad can manipulate the entire universe.
Well, I guess it's a chastity belt of an argument regardless of what characters are involved, but still...
I just skip to the fights. Their explanations suck if I know anything about the source material.
Whenever there is eastern vs western mech in terms of power, western mechs will always come on top. In terms of aesthetics, it can be either depending the series. Western mechs are more logical than Japanese mechs.
>western mechs will always come on top
nope, they're faster therefore can fuck your chicken tanks up
logic isn't a question it's magic tech, don't have to explain you
>logic isn't a question
You have to have some form of logic to be able to make the series more tangible. Otherwise, its just plot induced bullshit of "just because".
Wouldn't it be the opposite? Western mechs tend to be based on military machines and require extensive logistics to function, while a lot of Japanese mechs are either magical or are powered by some teenager's emotions.
It's primarily when you get into ridiculous stuff like 40k that western stuff gets overpowered to the point of parody.
Thats what I mean by more logical. Its based on something thats more or less realistic or easy to grasp. Magic is not logical unless its basis are based on something more tangible. Neither is using some "totally average literally me" teenager's emotions to work just because.
cosmic armor superman is a stupid and needless tangent for an established character, at least TTGL's wackiness is actually central to the plot
But its not actually superman. Its just a mech some gods created based on superman.
In the context of the story, yes. But in reality those gods are the writers and the purpose is to give superman fanboys a wank.
Hey, a fellow oldfag.
Gurren Lagann will just upsize another level
Love me mech terran
Love siege tanks
How hard do you cry yourself to sleep when you remember how Blizzard ruined Starcraft?
nta but as much as the nips ruined gundam
Absolutely based. I used to use a combo army of vultures and goliaths as a rapid response defensive force in StarCraft multiplayer matches. By the time the enemy realized that the NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED was not aimed at their base it was too late to save their carriers or ultralisks or whatever doomstack. People always underestimated the tactical value of nukes.
recreation for better understanding
I wanna play as the right fighting a 3x bigger version of left
>Cockwalker MK-2 (nugget-link autopilot retrofit)
>Bushidomecha no picu [EN: Large battle walker for fighting war and bringing great honor to my family name] (little butterfly transformation, as seen in S3E24)
I would watch this battle
I want to see them team up to defeat a bigger threat.
>Mecha godzilla (Clan model)
Chicken defeat butterfly every time
why can't dall-e tell the difference between
not enough data with keywords "chicken" "legs"
both options are gay and vulnerable to small, fast moving packs of enemies.
Your not faster than a bullet.
>take a shot at one monobike
>his 6 friends coreshot you before you get another round off
better luck next time
cock mobil. the benis on weelis
You know with the universal love and acceptence of the Imperial Knights sub faction in WH40k and Battletech getting a long overdue second breath which includes both conventional and chicken legged designs, the one on the left is becoming increasingly archaic and out of place as the rep for western design takes on mechs
>having your cock sucked by a man isn't gay
>Is jerking off gay
yes. these two statements combined with what you said before and your preference for gundam does actually confirms that you are a homosexual anon
I don't like gundam tho, I just intended to disprove your retarded "points" of drivel and misconception, seeing how you just resorted to talking about gays, your favorite subject, I gather that I hit the nerve. Keep coping though, you fucking ass clown
>/k/ reeeeeeeeeeeee's at /m/ thread #309115
This is like seeking out hypotheticals threads mentioning aliens like Halo flood etc. and ranting about every biological inconsistency to avoid participating in the basic premise. It's so fucking puerile and weirdly selective to boot. Some people just have a weird hateboner for mechs. Not fantasy weapons in general, JUST mechs.
Because the premise is retarded. Next question.
I think they're cool. I also think they're not viable as a weapons platform due to physical limitations. Even if it's cool to have a giant walking mech zooming around the battlefield at Mach 1 laying waste to everything with a plethora of 30mm HE, ground to air missile pod packs, pile driver armored vehicles, and jumping on random light vehicles and soft targets.
Doesn't matter, both will be destroyed by cheap drones.
Ask /k/: The shit's fucking dumb and impossible
Ask western /m/: The shit's fucking dumb but cool if you have tech that counters weight and energy requirements
Ask eastern /m/: The shit's fucking dumb but cool if you have space magic bullshit particules that negate the entirety of physics.
I love all three, but why the fuck are you posting /m/ on /k/ instead of /m/?
Jap mechs disgust me beyond comprehension, particularly with the direction it's taken over the past 25 years. It's literally the mech incarnation of the chuunibyou syndrome. It's just a gay, magical piece of shit that looks like it was designed by a soulless, 14 year old edgelord, with spikes and edges everywhere, and those retarded, oversized legs. They also tend to move like super sentai characters, and they look like a plastic toy.
It's so ridiculously lame.
>hating on sentai
I'm fine with sentai, because it's its own genre and is deliberately hammy. However, when you have a mecha show that pretends to take itself seriously, it's just retarded. If the show itself is deliberately cartoony and stylish, like The Big O, then it's not an issue. It's just that every fucking Gundam show and every other anime that emulates it does the same, boring, lame shit.
>It's just a gay, magical piece of shit that looks like it was designed by a soulless, 14 year old edgelord
Thats the point. Its made for teenagers. Thats why the MCs for this series and also lots of other series are built to be self inserts for the Japanese.
Yes, I understand that, but over the past 20+ years, anime has gotten an increasingly larger fanbase of adults, many who are in their 30s and even 40s, but anime still seems to be made for teenagers, which I think is a waste, because I believe it has potential to be much more than that. Of course, I guess most 40 year old weebs are manchildren, and they still like this stuff, so... eh... who am I to complain?
Behold and despair.
Behold and despair.
Well, at least it looks better than the humanoid mechs.
>but over the past 20+ years, anime has gotten an increasingly larger fanbase of adults, many who are in their 30s and even 40s
Here's the kicker, those adults will still relate to the teenagers lol. You know the meme where some fatass is saying literally me to an anime character? Yea, that sort of thing happens. Their audience are primarily otakus who never grown out of their teenage days.
Yeah, I'm in a bit of a pickle in that sense. I watched a fair bit of anime back in the day, but have kinda grown out of it. I still read the occasional manga, some of which I've been reading for over 20 years, but I haven't watched an anime in years.
The problem is, I started drawing that stuff when I was in my teens, and I've gotten... competent at it. But now I'm kinda stuck, because my interest in it is mostly dead. That's a big time investment to just throw away, though.
Based. I've pretty much switched to toku due to the reason you listed.
>western mechfag bitching about oversized legs
ACs are absolutely fucking awesome, there is nothing wrong with chuunibyou and you're just a gay wannabe homosexual.
t. Robotics researcher
I don't like the 20 story tall swordfighting bullshit, Titanfall mechs are peak. But what need we really more of is personal power armor like Fallout 4 has
>Ask western /m/: The shit's fucking dumb but cool if you have tech that counters weight and energy requirements
>Ask eastern /m/: The shit's fucking dumb but cool if you have space magic bullshit particules that negate the entirety of physics.
MIT doesn't want you to know this but mechs can walk for free. You can even do this right now
The irony is that the japs can't into passive dynamics and every commercial robot they've attempted is some slow as fuck active dynamics walker or is actually on wheels
MIT paving the way for mechs with spot and friends. i would rather have a human pilot a scaled up bot then an ai one
Both are dumb, bipedal mechs are dumb. All of the actually successful robot designs so far has been quadrupeds
Why not gun AND sword?
BROTHER! IT'S BEEN TOO LONG!
>Otacon, why did you give it the ability to throw hands in melee again?
>Because we had some free time and we thought it'd be really cool.
I feel like mechs are totally going to be a thing one day but they’re going to focus around the mobility and flexibility a Mech offers over traditional vehicles. Not being walking heavily armored tanks. Having what amounts to a big walking human offers an insane degree of mobility especially in urban environments where tanks themselves normally suffer due to not being anthropomorphic or able to crouch behind cover. I also think mechs are usually way too big. The tactical value of a 20 meter tall Mech is negative. Big has only ever worked for warships and as much because being bigger actually improves their survivability as their killing power. A mech would be small. 2-4m tall at the most, imo. Going past that any Mech is going to need a really good excuse because again, one of the values of a Mech in theory is its ability to take cover like a human, so being taller than a house is just really going to make them stick out like someone with a “please kill me” flashing neon sign.
mechs are going to be built for space activity and combat, like in Gundam
>mechs are going to be built for space activity and combat
why would you need oversized complicated legs in space?
Mechs will be built by some billionaire just because they're cool. Then someone will realize they actually have military applications because real tanks aren't actually optimal for everything and you can't reduce weapons systems to spherical cows in a vacuum.
Probably Japanese mech, becausr they're bullshit.
As far as media goes, I much prefer the at least somewhat believable tank on legs mechs.
A man of exquisite taste has arrived in this thread
I really love how that game handle mechs and balance it with tanks/other vehicles. Like, sure mechs are tall, but being able to stomp/dig away obstacles on its own would more than make up for it. I hope irl militaries can realize this fact sooner
They're dumb as fuck but I've always appreciated these sorts of ones. Bonus points if they're just civilian mechs used for construction getting repurposed into combat ones.
Every scene in that film was worth watching for the short bits where Mafuni and the boys unload metric tons of lead.
Out of all the mechs I've seen, I wish that one more than any other was real.
There's something inherently dopamine releasing about the idea of having 1-1 analog control over 2 massive machineguns in a tall cargo loader.
Scene's 20x better with sound.
The way you can hear the guns overlapping as everyone starts firing is absolutely fucking beautiful.
These aren't mechs, they're exoskeletons, and that's why they're based.
May or may not violently explode if so much as getting cold clocked by a bouncing industrial barrel
the life of an astragius soldier is even cheaper than a moblik
we got this scenario in Evangelion, actually. It was the episode after they selected the fourth Eva pilot. Eva-03 (the fourth Evangelion) was American made and got its ass kicked by Eva-01 because the thing went hostile and was then designated as an Angel.
They team up and make your planet pay a tithe you fucking nerd. I respect all giant robots.
All I know is that the Japanese Mech is just more fun to watch
>nobody's posted the OG chicken walker yet
Does weebshit even have anything that could match some of the most iconic Battletech designs?
no because battletech is weebshit adjusted to Western taste
it'll always be more appealing to you that weebshit proper
glaug my beloved
Western style "Mechs" tend be designed for a combined arms warfare operations.
Japanese style "Mecha" tend to be designed specifically for short skirmishes, often one on one.
All things being equal the Japanese Mecha will win based off their depicted capabilities, but in tactical terms the western mech is superior.
From a realism perspective, both would get smoked by tanks, attack helicopters or infantry with ATGMs.
japanese mech looks like he can float like a butterfly and sting like a bee
Western mechs are walking tanks. Japanese mechs are walking jet fighters. Jet fighters beat tanks. QED
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